Top 10 most fault-prone smartphones (according to insurance data)
1. Samsung Galaxy S III
2. HTC Desire S
3. Nokia Lumia 610
4. iPhone 4
5. BlackBerry Bold 9900
6. iPhone 4S
7. Sony Xperia S
8. BlackBerry Curve 9220
9. Samsung Tocco Lite 2
10. LG Nexus 4
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Source: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/mobile-phone/3441592/least-reliable-smartphones-revealed/
I'm lucky enough not to suffer S3 sudden death. However, the supplied adaptor went faulty just after the 6 months warranty period. It also had fries one of my microSD card. Out of 4 samsung smartphones that I owned, only 1 of them(Galaxy S i9000) free from any faults.
Is S3 the black sheep? or is samsung mobile product getting unreliable as a whole?
Its not a genuine set of stats .
Producing no input from direct faults via the vendor or the manufacturer .
Plus usual with these sort of reports xx tops out table for faults yy has almost no faulkts reported . But XX sold 20 million yy sold three hundred .
jje
Another thing written in this article which is absurd is mentioning the colours. Most popular SGS3 are white and blue.
According to author, most faulty is white, no traces of blue, and reliable white and silver...
What CAN be the trace of truth is that it's based on non-warranty claims, what would suggest: rooted, and SDS.
Also the i9000 was far from free of faults. My GPS was broken, didn't work like 99% of the time. And I know for a fact this was like this for most people who had it.
And yea my gs3 died 1 week after purchase. Got replaced and had not had a single fault since then. It's expected for the first batches of phones to have problems, that's why I try not to buy something as soon as is released.
Worst article I have seen, there are no numbers to back their claims up, I imagine they are doing raw numbers of claims which is worthless, for example if Samsung sold 1 million units and there are 100k claims, that equates to a 10% failure rate, but if another company sold 100 devices and there are 60 claims through raw numbers 60 claims looks better but it's still a 60% failure rate.
And it's based on insurance claims if it's trying to measure reliable devices they are not looking at device failures.
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Also the i9000 was far from free of faults. My GPS was broken, didn't work like 99% of the time. And I know for a fact this was like this for most people who had it.
And yea my gs3 died 1 week after purchase. Got replaced and had not had a single fault since then. It's expected for the first batches of phones to have problems, that's why I try not to buy something as soon as is released.
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yes, i9000 GPS never worked and sammy never acknowledge at all.
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Worst article I have seen, there are no numbers to back their claims up, I imagine they are doing raw numbers of claims which is worthless, for example if Samsung sold 1 million units and there are 100k claims, that equates to a 10% failure rate, but if another company sold 100 devices and there are 60 claims through raw numbers 60 claims looks better but it's still a 60% failure rate.
And it's based on insurance claims if it's trying to measure reliable devices they are not looking at device failures.
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Although there are no specific number or graph. But Apple sells alot of iPhone 4 and 4S too but they are below S3. Also, S3 is newer phone compared to most other phone in the list. Shouldn't older phone tend to have more insurance claims instead of newer ones.
My local samsung service center recently is full of S3 users complaining of freezing problem or can't turn on (SDS). Freezing and SDS are common problems as you can already see from the thread here. Freezing is not really hardware faulty but then it's sure unreliable and troublesome to consumer.
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yes, i9000 GPS never worked and sammy never acknowledge at all.
Mine was flawless .
Although there are no specific number or graph. But Apple sells alot of iPhone 4 and 4S too but they are below S3. Also, S3 is newer phone compared to most other phone in the list. Shouldn't older phone tend to have more insurance claims instead of newer ones.
My local samsung service center recently is full of S3 users complaining of freezing problem or can't turn on (SDS). Freezing and SDS are common problems as you can already see from the thread here. Freezing is not really hardware faulty but then it's sure unreliable and troublesome to consumer.
My local Samsung service centre is not full of S3 users .
Insurance claims are many and varied most often is i lost my phone i was pissed and left it on the table .
Despite what you may think the facts remain the report is statistically badly flawed .
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yes, i9000 GPS never worked and sammy never acknowledge at all.
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Strange....my gps works flawlesly, locks in few secs, acurracy is great also....
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what they dont state is that most of the phones counted dont distinguish the actual cause of the problems, how many of them was phones caused by the users own actions like flashing ect
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yes, i9000 GPS never worked and sammy never acknowledge at all.
Although there are no specific number or graph. But Apple sells alot of iPhone 4 and 4S too but they are below S3. Also, S3 is newer phone compared to most other phone in the list. Shouldn't older phone tend to have more insurance claims instead of newer ones.
My local samsung service center recently is full of S3 users complaining of freezing problem or can't turn on (SDS). Freezing and SDS are common problems as you can already see from the thread here. Freezing is not really hardware faulty but then it's sure unreliable and troublesome to consumer.
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Here's the thing though if a phone doesn't turn in you would be more likely to hand it in for a warranty repair rather than insurance. Insurance claims would be for anything out of warranty which wouldn't be anything to do with unreliability unless the device was rooted and the binary counter was not reset, which would be the heavy minority of users.
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I kinda wish I hadn't got an s3 now. The glass has cracked at the bottom of the phone after a small drop. Luckily its a single crack and is only the glass it hasn't effected the responsiveness of the touch commands. My s2 was almost indestructible. Been through alsorts of torture and never let me down once in the year and 9 months I'd had it.
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Simple. ... because they were most sold phones.
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I kinda wish I hadn't got an s3 now. The glass has cracked at the bottom the phone after a small drop. Luckily its a single crack and is only the glass it hasn't effected the responsiveness of the touch commands. My s2 was almost indestructible. Been through alsorts of torture and never let me down once in the year and 9 months I'd had it.
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I reckon you just got lucky with that s2. A friend of mine dropped hers, was a really small drop, I'd think nothing of it but it totally busted the glass.
It does not make it indestructible but a case like uag is always recommend. I'm thinking about getting the xperia z next since its the first phone to acknowledge these phones are weak and had a go at making them tougher.
Up till now (only one week) my Sgs 3 has been flawless, hope it stays that way
Thougt the multitasking sucks balls
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I say a phone is as reliable as you treat it. They're fundamentally all basically the same anyways. All built in the same factory campus in Shenzhen.
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Up till now (only one week) my Sgs 3 has been flawless, hope it stays that way
Thougt the multitasking sucks balls
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Multitasking sucks and i tried just about every solution provided around to solve it (swap zram faster sd cards whatever). The only thing that really did it was going aosp. Installed slim on a dualboot setting and it really is different. I've never gone back to stock even if i still keep it installed.
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I see everyones point yet ive had mine for over a year now and never had any problems with it.
Its never crashed, never lagged, not a single problem.
Always been running custom roms but mainly stayed on Sotmax rom with Yank555 kernel. Never looking back and never changing as its never caused a problem with my device either.
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If you actually read the bad phone broken phone posts they boil down to a few common problems .
One SDS something that happens on a small number of phones more noted on XDA as XDA is the go to place for problems .
Damaged corrupt IMEI not really a problem with a backed up EFS but as most that have the problem are those that cannot be bothered to read the instructions . Its only to be expected .
Boot Loop that's a wrong faulty flash firmware corrupt etc .
Cracked Glass dont drop your phone moron .
99% of problems user problems and 99% of those are to lazy to read the faqs and guides before starting . Notable that those that take the trouble have few if any problems .
I mean how can you be flashing a Note kernel on a SGS3 its beyond believe .
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I've had the top 2... figures!
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Stats from an insurance company where
Most claims were caused by user error or clumbsiness
Inaccurate to be labelled as faults
Its not the phones fault you dropped it or didn't buy a case
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So, I'm a daily patron on craigslist and as a side hobby I trade phones, I always seem to make a profit if I wait so it's something I do kinda for fun. I have had a recent influx of literally every kind of galaxy S phone there is aside from the Nexus S (which I wouldnt touch with a 10 foot pole.) For example, I posted my HD7 less than 2 hours ago, and have had 13 offers, 4 are unlocked iphones and the remaining 9 have all been captivates or vibrants all offering as much as 150 cash with their phone for an HD7. I mean a couple would be written off as coincidence but literally every offer. I mean I knew these phones were crap the first time I touched the vibrant but it's funny seeing all these media sheep finally realizing they made a bad deal. Samsung has always been the biggest scam artist in the phone world and it's good to see so many people finally realizing it. This just goes to show that HTC is the only way to go
You can't really talk unless you've owned a galaxy s phone. I can tell you from experience the Captivate or Vibrant is anything but a piece of ****. Given, the software sucks but that's why we have xda, right?
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Had a vibrant 3 days, rooted, unlocked, and running the G2 girmware (or a clone). Worst phone I've had since the cliq. The original software was crap (thank you XDA for that save) and the overall plasticky feel of it paired with the buffer overrun issue just killed it. My wife owns a captivate, much better build quality and doesnt seem to have the same buffer issues though I would think it should. XDA has made that phone usable but by default... hardly. I'd still pick an HD2 running android over it any day. Of course this is ffrom someone whos grown tired of android as a whole and the fact that it has to be constantly 'tweaked' just to remain functional but as a former android fanboy, those phones were kinda an embarassment and way overhyped for mediocrity.
I owned a Nexus S for long enough to have an opinion: I'm never buying from Samsung again.
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People that sell out vibrant can't handle vibrant or android imho.Get an iphone and don't even bother with any android.
Vibrant nero v3
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people who buy vibrants are people who do what the media tells them is more individual. Go be a mac user. I'll stick to real android devices manufactured by HTC as they should be.
Had a Samsung SGH-i900 Omnia between jan 2009 and mars 2010 (dropped it in water that killed the Omnia but thank lord not the SIM and memory cards).
Anyone still remember the Samsung marketing of that phone. Well to make a long story short: The i900 never delivered what Samsung promised in their marketing.
Sticking to SonyEricsson now.
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I owned a Nexus S for long enough to have an opinion: I'm never buying from Samsung again.
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but you have a samsung in nexus S, Nexus S was made by Samsung for Google.
How about that?
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essojay said:
but you have a samsung in nexus S, Nexus S was made by Samsung for Google.
How about that?
bR
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hence the reason hes texting from a G2... he obviously gave it up...
I own a Captivate - and other than the crappy OTA OS, non-working GPS, random shutdowns, and the lag... it's a great phone.
But.. thanks to XDA and much tweaking the performance of the phone is better, GPS hobbles along semi working - but the shutdown issue still exists due to hardware and I've been too busy to go get it exchanged.
I wouldn't recommend getting a Samsung phone to anyone. I like mine (when it works) but couldn't recommend it to anyone else.
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but you have a samsung in nexus S, Nexus S was made by Samsung for Google.
How about that?
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I guess you missed the "sent from my G2."
If you were in the UK I may have brought something from ya, I could do with another phone xD
the nexus s is the biggest phone ripoff ive seen in some time ... they took a half year(which is alot in phone life) hardware , gave it an update that everyone is gonna have in a few months anyway , slapped a full price on , and WOW THE NEW NEXUSSSSS !! ppl who fall for that , well i pity them
Wow, everyone is trying to get rid of their Galaxy S...
...Some of us never even had one
some people were so lucky.
I will personally never buy a samsung phone again after owning the moment. The wife has an epic and loves it but i dont care much for it.
That said the latest LG phones have been very nice and i am not a fan of sense so its nice to have options other than htc.
Your average every day person will either think the vibrant is a great phone or a complete fail. I liked my vibrant until I started hearing about the issues and realized they exist. Now, after many modifications, I like it more than any phone out now.
I work with 3 people that own droid x's. Anytime I've asked any of them to play with it, it's had nearly as much lag as my stock vibrant. I owned a g2 for 3 days and mytouch 4g for a week. Those are for people that want a new, fast phone and don't care how it looks or how they look using one. Neither are very physically attractive, they run decent though.
Galaxy S phones were definitely a fail software wise by samsung. Hardware wise, they're still as good as anything else. They aren't for people that want a top phone but don't want to modify it.
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some nnob said he had G2 firmware on his Vibrant... BS! My vibrant is a G2/MT4G/EVO/DroidX killer, screw benchmarks, just take raw performance. Yes I rooted and flashed roms (no lag-fix though) but thats wats so great abiut android.
Now I will say that out of the box it has issues, but so has every phone. (excluding the G1 it was excellent) But I have working gps, night mode imo better than led flash, ffc with all video chat apps working, noled for notifications, full 2.2 with flash 10.1, ect...
The SGS community have made thus phone great. People just have to take advantage.
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well I mean there have been over 10 million galaxy s phones sold, so its understandable that they'd show up on craigslist more. but because of past experiences with Samsung, (ie my mom's moment) I would never trust a Samsung again. should've got her a htc hero.
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everyone says sammy's bad about updating but what about moto and the cliq? htc and the G1 after the mytouch and n1 release? Dell and sony still shipping 1.6? they all sucked. Sammy was smart by concentrating on one device, working the update and allowing the carrier to add tweaks. The phone has been here 6mos max and people are clamoring that they are slow, the phone is still new, and they've dropped updates already for launch day issues. If your unit is defective exchange it, you got a year warranty like the rest of us.
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For me, the Galaxy Note is dead in the water. I went through 4 units, the last being croaked by ICS, and it also had the eMMc bug. Onwards and upwards. Talk of the Note 10.1 and Note Mk2 seem interesting, but by the time they hit the streets in the UK, other manufactures might have something else to consider.
These devices are way too expensive to take risks with, and considering the now tarnished reputation of the Galaxy Note, its a once bitten, twice shy situation. Its a great shame, the Galaxy Note could have been iconic, but its not. The experience of owning one soon becomes a burden. Watching the Samsung ads on the telly just making you feel a complete fool while you wait for the next replacement to arrive, and then, its only to find its just as bad as the one you sent back. Then comes the acceptance this is about as good as its going to get, so you keep it. I had in my mind that it would be out of date anyway, within a year or less, I could flog it on eBay and get a better, faster, more reliable, more feature rich upgrade. Samsung wasn't going to let me have that luxury, they hit me with the Ice Cream Sandwich. Well I'm not going to repeat that part of the story here, but suffice to say ICS to me meant 'Instant Crippled Samsungnote'. That was it, I'm out, I'm not sacrificing any more of my life in a quest to get something that really doesn't exist, and that something, is a product free from major defects and faults.
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For me, the Galaxy Note is dead in the water. I went through 4 units, the last being croaked by ICS, and it also had the eMMc bug. Onwards and upwards. Talk of the Note 10.1 and Note Mk2 seem interesting, but by the time they hit the streets in the UK, other manufactures might have something else to consider.
These devices are way too expensive to take risks with, and considering the now tarnished reputation of the Galaxy Note, its a once bitten, twice shy situation. Its a great shame, the Galaxy Note could have been iconic, but its not. The experience of owning one soon becomes a burden. Watching the Samsung ads on the telly just making you feel a complete fool while you wait for the next replacement to arrive, and then, its only to find its just as bad as the one you sent back. Then comes the acceptance this is about as good as its going to get, so you keep it. I had in my mind that it would be out of date anyway, within a year or less, I could flog it on eBay and get a better, faster, more reliable, more feature rich upgrade. Samsung wasn't going to let me have that luxury, they hit me with the Ice Cream Sandwich. Well I'm not going to repeat that part of the story here, but suffice to say ICS to me meant 'Instant Crippled Samsungnote'. That was it, I'm out, I'm not sacrificing any more of my life in a quest to get something that really doesn't exist, and that something, is a product free from major defects and faults.
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The second I find a phone just a big I'm jumping ship as well. I should have learned my lesson when I was getting crazy problems with the Samsung infuse. Note equally sucks
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Good for you, mine is flying along with a great ROM and has never once faulted because I follow all instructions laid out.
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Good for you, mine is flying along with a great ROM and has never once faulted because I follow all instructions laid out.
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Heh heh... same here! :good:
Dunno y so many ppl r whining about the note.... showus one phone which is without any problems... i ve been using note from dec never found a prob..... all the problems ppl stating a software related and can be rectified by using different kernels....
Because this phone is horrible. Its the exact same thing as the sky rocket, its just over sized and has a POS pen with no calibration. Its worthless. Ode to the Samsung boat
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KangKilla said:
Because this phone is horrible. Its the exact same thing as the sky rocket, its just over sized and has a POS pen with no calibration. Its worthless. Ode to the Samsung boat
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Last I checked, this was the international version forums. I am 100% stock and locked and have had no problems. Hell, even with an occasional L2_hsic reboot, it is still better than an iphone.
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Dunno y so many ppl r whining about the note.... showus one phone which is without any problems... i ve been using note from dec never found a prob..... all the problems ppl stating a software related and can be rectified by using different kernels....
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Exactly, other devices have problems that affect day-to-day use for crying out loud. That LG 3D phone suffers from ghost calling, where the owner of the phone doesn't know calls were coming through, the iPhone dropped calls if you held the damn thing in a particular way! WTF are people whining about, when even the oh so mighty Apple even have flaws in their products that can affect all users, not just those who hack the crap out of them.
For a normal user who doesn't tamper, they will probably never know there is a fault with the emmc in the Note, everything else is pretty much software and can be sorted relativity easy. And for those users if something goes wrong Sammy will fix it, replace the unit, which ever, not the half arsed attempt like apple did and gave owners a cover!
They didn't fix it, they literally just covered the problem up.
Rant done!
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Samsung has sold over 7 million Notes and it has been universally acknowledged as a huge success and Samsung are preparing to release a Note 2. Dead in the water? I think not.
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Exactly, other devices have problems that affect day-to-day use for crying out loud. That LG 3D phone suffers from ghost calling, where the owner of the phone doesn't know calls were coming through, the iPhone dropped calls if you held the damn thing in a particular way! WTF are people whining about, when even the oh so mighty Apple even have flaws in their products that can affect all users, not just those who hack the crap out of them.
For a normal user who doesn't tamper, they will probably never know there is a fault with the emmc in the Note, everything else is pretty much software and can be sorted relativity easy. And for those users if something goes wrong Sammy will fix it, replace the unit, which ever, not the half arsed attempt like apple did and gave owners a cover!
They didn't fix it, they literally just covered the problem up.
Rant done!
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Couldnt agree more !!
I have to say, of all the phone companies out there Samsung have always been my favourite, The build quality isnt as good as say..... HTC, but in terms of hardware ive never had a fault !
Samsung seem to be the only ''Developer Friendly'' company out there! Replacing bricks, no questions asked, Releasing Source code instantly (SGS3 code was released before the phone !)
it all boils down to the user, I wont judge you for not liking the Note, But no matter what you say, You will not stop me liking the Note
I love my Note (Phablet) !!
4 units and you still get the same "defects"?
i'd say it's a user error.
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4 units and you still get the same "defects"?
i'd say it's a user error.
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Really!! How so?
Completly agree.
I got a good offer to swap my note+200$ for a brand new s3 but I am holding because it is another Samsung Phone.
I still love the note because of big beautiful screen - nothing else.
Let's see what HTC comes with.
What is wrong with people....if there were so many problems in this smartphone it would never get such good critics or get sold a lot....so the problem is with 7million who are using it or just you who don't know what android is and what galaxy note can run under its hood...this is like BMW m3 ....stop whining and replace the inner parts to boost it up...
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What is wrong with people....if there were so many problems in this smartphone it would never get such good critics or get sold a lot....so the problem is with 7million who are using it or just you who don't know what android is and what galaxy note can run under its hood...this is like BMW m3 ....stop whining and replace the inner parts to boost it up...
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Do you have Note without borked eMMC, screen issues and half arse ICS?
No one is whining.
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Do you have Note without borked eMMC, screen issues and half arse ICS?
No one is whining.
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Yup, running CM9...
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What is wrong with people....if there were so many problems in this smartphone it would never get such good critics or get sold a lot....so the problem is with 7million who are using it or just you who don't know what android is and what galaxy note can run under its hood...this is like BMW m3 ....stop whining and replace the inner parts to boost it up...
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I dare say there are lot of very satisfied customers, but that is no excuse to continue to sell defective units, which it appears there are. Also, it is not an excuse to ignore, or disadvantage the minority who do most certainly have problems with the product..
Read my profile. I do know about andoid and where it came from, and I do know what runs under the hood of the 'note. Apart from that, I don't understand your argument. I own a Mitsubishi Truck and I don't care what's under the hood, that's Mitsubishis responsibility, and that's what they are paid to do.
Just found a guy on twitter, a Barrister and Advocate, slightly pissed with samsung. It just made me smile a little.
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Do you have Note without borked eMMC, screen issues and half arse ICS?
No one is whining.
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My Note is running Asylum (a CM9 build) ROM. I have had ZERO screen issues. Stock ICS isn't bad, Touchwiz definitely isn't my favorite framework, but the good thing about Android is you DO NOT have to keep it. The Note is by far my most favorite phone I've had (And I had an Iphone).
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I dare say there are lot of very satisfied customers, but that is no excuse to continue to sell defective units, which it appears there are. Also, it is not an excuse to ignore, or disadvantage the minority who do most certainly have problems with the product..
Read my profile. I do know about andoid and where it came from, and I do know what runs under the hood of the 'note. Apart from that, I don't understand your argument. I own a Mitsubishi Truck and I don't care what's under the hood, that's Mitsubishis responsibility, and that's what they are paid to do.
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You say you had FOUR Notes. Okay, what happened to EACH of them? Did you brick each one via the emmc bug? Did you NOT learn your lesson? Give me a break! If you don't want to use your Note anymore, just move on from the phone and move on from the XDA forum. I'm just saying....
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Yup, running CM9...
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Fantastic comeback
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Some exciting news came from yesterday’s Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 launch event where the company briefly announced they’ve sold more than 10 million Galaxy Note smartphones worldwide. The original Note made its debut in late October 2011 in Europe before making its way to the U.S. in February. To be honest with you, when Samsung announced the Note, I didn’t think it would be the first phone, greater then 5 inches, to have the success it did. It certainly has taken the mobile world by surprise!
Just to give you an idea of the momentum, it was only four months ago that Samsung announced they had sold 5 million Notes. The surge of sales to 10 million units is no doubt a combination of its launch here in the States and continued promotion throughout the Olympic Games. Samsung is expected to launch a successor to the original device at their pre-IFA press conference on August 29th in Berlin, Germany. The new version is rumored to have an even larger screen, and a bump to a quad-core CPU.
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10 million units affected by the emmc brick bug yea baby !
Now someone do the math , 10 million. Bricks being sent back to the repair center is what ?
900 gazillion infinity dollars ?
I'd like to grab new a sheet of gorilla glass and break it over the heads of their executives
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10 million units affected by the emmc brick bug yea baby !
Now someone do the math , 10 million. Bricks being sent back to the repair center is what ?
900 gazillion infinity dollars ?
I'd like to grab new a sheet of gorilla glass and break it over the heads of their executives
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You assume that all galaxy note users are noobs trying to force their way into the magic world of root :silly::silly::silly:
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You assume that all galaxy note users are noobs trying to force their way into the magic world of root :silly::silly::silly:
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I reckon if samsung were getting loads of handsets back to replace the motherboard they would have done something about it by now, I think they are right by saying that wiping with stock kernel is safe if it wasn't thered be a lot of that 10 million with bricked notes by now. Cause most people don't even root or know anything about the bug so would wipe without realizing.
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You assume that all galaxy note users are noobs trying to force their way into the magic world of root :silly::silly::silly:
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root is not the cause, otherwise the warnings would read if on root then do not ever... Not everyone wipes or factory resets, thats is true.
ontopic:10 million is interesting, makes it a niche succes, but s2 sold 6 fold more no? And other sellers how much they sold? Funny how relational success is often omitted. I guess compared to Streak it sold more.
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i dont love my phone
its bricked with emmc bug !
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ontopic:10 million is interesting, makes it a niche succes, but s2 sold 6 fold more no?
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You can't compare the two - they are different markets. The Note has a smaller market.
It's like comparing sales of a SUV versus a midsized 4 door sedan. The disadvantages of the former's size outweigh, for most, the clear benefits of a vehicle of that size.
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ChodTheWacko said:
You can't compare the two - they are different markets. The Note has a smaller market.
It's like comparing sales of a SUV versus a midsized 4 door sedan. The disadvantages of the former's size outweigh, for most, the clear benefits of a vehicle of that size.
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agree 100%. Relational wise its still nice to do a comparison in totals. Plainly because there is no phone directly that can be seen as a competitor. But does put things in perspective within phone industry. Thats what I still seek.
I guess 10 million units justifies a good market, Its about 6 billion $ in revenue counting from retail point of view.
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Probably less than .5% were returned by rooters and ROM flashers....
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You assume that all galaxy note users are noobs trying to force their way into the magic world of root :silly::silly::silly:
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I agree with baz77, that not all of N7000 users are rooters, as I believe, some are :
never even heard that there's such thing call as "root"
ever heard about it, but just don't care, because they don't need root access
ever heard about it, want to do, but scare expensive handphone spoilt
ever heard about it, want to root, but don't know how to do
ever heard about it, want to root, but lazy to find out how to do
so... For samsung, the numbers of rooters, custom ROM-ers, is very little, compare to the number they have sold.
here in singapore, many users complain that N7000 the battery life is sucks to the end (can last only 6-7 hours, with original stock ROM and stock Kernel). =p
For those my friend, I will freely do the "enhancement" for them.
For those I don't know ? hehehe.. just gone by the wind ah... I also only overheard their conversation on the public transport.
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But for the hardbrick bug, I believe, it is not about the rooting problems. Rooting and install the custom ROM, seldom do any hardbrick to the device, so long as we follow the dev instructions.
It is the wiping data / factory reset, which cause most of the hardbrick on the N7000.
I am one of those 10 million users
And one those those who got their phone bricked (ofcourse got it replaced)
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not caring bout the bug...
Tho I have a dangerous chip...
The Galaxy note is da baws!!
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I am one of those 10 million users
And one those those who got their phone bricked (ofcourse got it replaced)
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hahaha.
feels nice right when your phone brick ?
if you have never experienced it, you won't learn. And you won't feel that nervous feeling of "damn.... what did I do? what to do? damn it... I missunderstand the step!!!"
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hahaha.
feels nice right when your phone brick ?
if you have never experienced it, you won't learn. And you won't feel that nervous feeling of "damn.... what did I do? what to do? damn it... I missunderstand the step!!!"
:laugh: lol
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Actually that was a memorable moment for me with my note
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Hi all,
Being a new proud owner of an ACTUAL Nexus phone. I am trying to get a picture of what the future of this phone may be. Is there anyone who owns an older Nexus that is still getting OTA updates. Now, let me say that of course I know I can always root and rom untill the phone explodes, but what of OTA updates? Are we looking at a year maybe two of OTA's before this phone becomes un-supported? I am looking for historical information but I can't seem to find any article or post in regards. What is the experience of other past Nexus owners? Just some good conversation I thought. Thanks!
About 2 years
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About 2 years
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To give some perspective, the Nexus S was supported until 4.1.2, after shipping with 2.3 over 2 years ago. The Galaxy Nexus is currently still supported and has been updated to 4.2.2 and will likely be updated to 5.0 along with the Nexus 4 in May after Google I/O. You can expect the Nexus 4 to be supported until early 2015 or so.
Even if we lose support, we have an amazing dev team. So just sit back and relax.
This is something I also took into consideration when I purchased this device. If you ask me, we are getting plenty of Bang-for-our-Buck. A great processor, a good-size screen, good amount of RAM, Google-direct updates, and a great Dev Community, The last two, in-particular, are the main reason why the Nexus 4 will have longevity over say the Galaxy S3 or even (I think) the Galaxy S4. While Google was behind on the initial demand of the product, I do not believe they will fall behind on the software this phone. I don't know how the Galaxy Nexus was received at launch but this thing flew off the shelves and was talked about ALL over the internet. I don't think Google is done with this phone just yet. I hope for 2-3 (maybe even 4) years of active Android updates.
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This is something I also took into consideration when I purchased this device. If you ask me, we are getting plenty of Bang-for-our-Buck. A great processor, a good-size screen, good amount of RAM, Google-direct updates, and a great Dev Community, The last two, in-particular, are the main reason why the Nexus 4 will have longevity over say the Galaxy S3 or even (I think) the Galaxy S4. While Google was behind on the initial demand of the product, I do not believe they will fall behind on the software this phone. I don't know how the Galaxy Nexus was received at launch but this thing flew off the shelves and was talked about ALL over the internet. I don't think Google is done with this phone just yet. I hope for 2-3 (maybe even 4) years of active Android updates.
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Yeah I hope so too. Although 4 years may be a little stretch lol. I like this phone too. I honestly think if the Nexus 5 has a 5" screen I won't want it. This phone is hard to use with one hand at times when I need to stretch out to reach that back button. It's a good size. Nice screen, and solid fast hardware too. Just get a nice case for it...
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I think the support will last longer and longer for Nexus devices as they are more capable. Obviously a single core Nexus 1 had a limited future with the speed of development of Android. I think with a quad core phone like the Nexus 4, we could probably expect a fair bit of longevity with regards to OS updates.
Who keeps the phone for more than two years anyways....
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Who keeps the phone for more than two years anyways....
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I think one of the issues we're contending here is that with our processing power getting to the point where we're rivalling computers, how powerful are phones going to have to be to force our N4s into obsolescence? From a hardware standpoint, it's not as likely. And forced software obsolescence... that's a whole other problem
Even if we only get updates for two years, we typically get them 4 months before everyone else.
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How long after an announcement do we get the update? A week or two?
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My fear is not updates, I'm quite sure we will get them. But what good are updates if my battery doesn't hold as much power anymore? One thing is clear for me though. Only nexus phones in future.
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How long after an announcement do we get the update? A week or two?
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Couple hours of them being released.
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My fear is not updates, I'm quite sure we will get them. But what good are updates if my battery doesn't hold as much power anymore? One thing is clear for me though. Only nexus phones in future.
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Isn't the battery good for something like 800 charge cycles?
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Isn't the battery good for something like 800 charge cycles?
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Well I did read that it is good for 800 cycles and it the life cycle increases the slower the phone is charged (?) Can anyone confirm the latter as true? Cause if that's the case I will get me a charger that really is slow. Since I only ever seem to plug in my phone at night before my sleep
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Well I did read that it is good for 800 cycles and it the life cycle increases the slower the phone is charged (?) Can anyone confirm the latter as true? Cause if that's the case I will get me a charger that really is slow. Since I only ever seem to plug in my phone at night before my sleep
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Well, it's not the charging speed that matters. It's the heat that's caused by the process of charging that damages the battery.
The faster your battery is charged, the hotter it will become. The higher the battery temperature, the faster it will deteriorate.
Just my two cents.
Correct me if I'm wrong but so far the reason Google gave for not stopping updates to their older devices was because they simply weren't powerful enough to handle the newer Android versions. Based on this, I feel our phone will continue to get updates for a minimum of 4 years. Let me explain.
Back then cramming great hardware into phones was still at a very nascent stage. High tech phones were pretty new, and equally unheard of. The focus was mainly on Software, and lesser on hardware. But that's not the case today. Today most companies are embroiled into a "hardware race", something like we the "megapixel race" we have seen. And I think (after doing a bit of research) the hardware race as peaked. Software is what is going to attract the customers now. Hardware gimmicks will soon stop. Today phones are more powerful than PCs which are a few years old. Android versions, along with most apps, don't even make full use of 4 cores. We never really even come close to utilising the full 2 GB of RAM. 720p is a resolution high enough for any device. The only place where we lag is the GPU, but even that's pretty decent. I doubt any Android version will REQUIRE more than 4 cores anytime soon. Android is a platform for all types of phones. High end as well as low end. If the minimum requirement is 8 cores, they won't be able to sell low end phones anymore. Which pretty much halves their market. And I doubt they want that.
However now we have reached a point where hardware is far superior to the software that operates on it. One example I can give you is the difference between the Samsung Galaxy s1, s2, s3, s4. The difference between each successor and predecessor is huge. The smallest gap witnessed is between the s3 and the s4. The main selling point of Samsung is in the s4 is the software, not the hardware, as (largely) was the case in the previous versions.
Also, Google doesn't make much money from the selling of phones. It's main source of revenue is from the software that runs inside our phones. I only see two reasons for Google to stop providing updates for our phones :
1 - It might get too tedious to provide the updates for a large number of devices.
2 - They might want people to shift to Motorola.
Again, this is just what I think. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I am sewing lots of people panicking because of some issues with some devices received.
I see this with nearly every handset I have owned, especially at the beginning.
It's as though a chain reaction starts when someone has a fault, others then look for the same fault, over analyse the phone and almost will themselves in to believing a small scratch or blemish is the same thing as the original complainant.
Out of all those who had "faulty" devices, how many do you think got perfectly working devices?
Don't have a knee jerk reaction and jump ship until you actually have a major problem with your own device. Give the manufacturer a chance first.
Sorry, just had to their this out there.
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Gotta agree with everything you wrote there, I've seen folk post saying it been delayed I'm buying something else, plus the hysteria over the phone getting too hot or the ringtones ain't loud enough etc etc.
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Gotta agree with everything you wrote there, I've seen folk post saying it been delayed I'm buying something else, plus the hysteria over the phone getting too hot or the ringtones ain't loud enough etc etc.
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The ringtones ain't loud enough? Better cancel my pre-order then :silly:
riso123 said:
I am sewing lots of people panicking because of some issues with some devices received.
I see this with nearly every handset I have owned, especially at the beginning.
It's as though a chain reaction starts when someone has a fault, others then look for the same fault, over analyse the phone and almost will themselves in to believing a small scratch or blemish is the same thing as the original complainant.
Out of all those who had "faulty" devices, how many do you think got perfectly working devices?
Don't have a knee jerk reaction and jump ship until you actually have a major problem with your own device. Give the manufacturer a chance first.
Sorry, just had to their this out there.
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"Give the manufacture a chance" is easy to say if you live somewhere where these phones have reasonable price or return window or good warranty...
Here where I live it's not like that, I have to pay more than a month's income for a flagship, sometimes a 24h return window if the device has a real issue sometimes not even that, also no proper warranty for Sony devices here, So I consider myself all the right to nitpick & panic
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"Give the manufacture a chance" is easy to say if you live somewhere where these phones have reasonable price or return window or good warranty...
Here where I live it's not like that, I have to pay more than a month's income for a flagship, sometimes a 24h return window if the device has a real issue sometimes not even that, also no proper warranty for Sony devices here, So I consider myself all the right to nitpick & panic
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Well if you have to pay over a months income to get a flagship, why are you getting one in the first place? As with everything else in life, everything just goes the way it goes. You won't get a faulty phone, and if you do, then its meant like that and you can learn from it. Just turn everything into positives.
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Well if you have to pay over a months income to get a flagship, why are you getting one in the first place? As with everything else in life, everything just goes the way it goes. You won't get a faulty phone, and if you do, then its meant like that and you can learn from it. Just turn everything into positives.
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Exactly what I was thinking.
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I have been badly burned by multiple devices in the past.
1. Sony K810i (7 years back) - found out speaker was damaged 5 days after purchase. As @riginal pointed out, I was at a place where I cannot return the device the moment I walk out of the shop. By the end of one year, everything except battery in that phone was replaced. I had bought that model several months after it was released.
2. HP DV5 1015TX Laptop (6 years ago) - replaced display 3 times over a 1.5 year period because of the same issue. Lucky that I had warranty extension.
3. Asus TF700T - If I see the guy who tested it, I will hit him with the tablet until it breaks. I am not joking.
4. Nexus 7 2013 - replaced speaker 2 months after purchase.
5. Dell XPS 9530 Laptop - paid $2000 and got a machine that makes whining sound, throttles games to unplayable FPS.
After these kind of experiences, when I got my Nexus 5, I returned it without zero hesitation twice - first because of the yellow tint and second time because of the dead pixel. There should be zero tolerance when it comes to devices. I pay expecting a fully functional product. I am not paying to be their tester. Its high time companies are penalized for releasing defective units. If they can't ensure consistent quality, at least I should get a full refund even if it is after 1 year.
If the companies cannot guarantee that there would be defects during the initial launch period, either they should offer extended warranty with the guarantee that if its a factory defect, we will get a new phone no matter when it was reported.
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I have been badly burned by multiple devices in the past.
1. Sony K810i (7 years back) - found out speaker was damaged 5 days after purchase. As @riginal pointed out, I was at a place where I cannot return the device the moment I walk out of the shop. By the end of one year, everything except battery in that phone was replaced. I had bought that model several months after it was released.
2. Asus TF700T - If I see the guy who tested it, I will hit him with the tablet until it breaks. I am not joking.
3. Nexus 7 2013 - replaced speaker 2 months after purchase.
4. Dell XPS 9530 - paid $2000 and got a machine that makes whining sound, throttles games to unplayable FPS.
After these kind of experiences, when I got my Nexus 5, I returned it without zero hesitation twice - first because of the yellow tint and second time because of the dead pixel. There should be zero tolerance when it comes to devices. I pay expecting a fully functional product. I am not paying to be their tester. Its high time companies are penalized for releasing defective units. If they can't ensure consistent quality, at least I should get a full refund even if it is after 1 year.
If the companies cannot guarantee that there would be defects during the initial launch period, either they should offer extended warranty with the guarantee that if its a factory defect, we will get a new phone no matter when it was reported.
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I think you must be cursed mate [emoji50]
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I think you must be cursed mate [emoji50]
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I have added one more - #2.
I too often think like that - whether I am cursed or if I am being punished by God for spending money on gadgets. There were a few who didn't give me problems as well- Galaxy S2, PS4, Sony TV..
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I have added one more - #2.
I too often think like that - whether I am cursed or if I am being punished by God for spending money on gadgets. There were a few who didn't give me problems as well- Galaxy S2, PS4, Sony TV..
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But all that doesn't mean it's going to happen to you with this device. Plus you could argue that you should learn from experience and wait for the device to mature before you leap in to a purchase of a newly released flagship device.
All this strikes me as nothing more than mass hysteria still. You can't judge a device and declare it as faulty before you have it in your hand.
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Well if you have to pay over a months income to get a flagship, why are you getting one in the first place? As with everything else in life, everything just goes the way it goes. You won't get a faulty phone, and if you do, then its meant like that and you can learn from it. Just turn everything into positives.
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If you really want the answer for your first question I'll manage, I usually keep whatever cellphone I buy for 2-3 years and right now I have Xperia X10 & wasn't gonna upgrade but my beloved X10 finally died on me & if I buy something I want to buy the latest & the greatest so yeah I manage but that doesn't mean I can afford to buy a premium device with premium price just to see it die a week later & toss it way only because there was a gap in the device & it wasn't waterproof as advertised, So I really appreciate people here nitpicking, It helps me make my decision between this, Note 3 & M8
and what to you mean it's meant like that? turn everything into positives? do we really need to get philosophical on this? I mean seriously is it asking too much to get a solid device as advertised for the price I pay?
Anyways don't really understand the purpose of this thread, Everyone here are just stating facts & sharing their experience with the device which unfortunately happens to involve high temperature, build quality issues, low ringtone...I don't really complain or nag, actually no one does except for the op of this thread