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K so I flashed to 4.2 and lost my root but still unlocked and have a custom recovery installed and I don't have a laptop or computer so I can't root my tablet unless I use a friend's but I'm wondering if I can flash a rom without root and if I could would it give me root access?
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K so I flashed to 4.2 and lost my root but still unlocked and have a custom recovery installed and I don't have a laptop or computer so I can't root my tablet unless I use a friend's but I'm wondering if I can flash a rom without root and if I could would it give me root access?
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yes.
in fact, that's how you root a seven without a toolkit. fastboot oem unlock, fastboot flash a custom recovery, flash the su binaries OR a custom ROM(with root), reboot. the right way in a nutshell.
So say I flashed paranoid android when 3.0 comes out I would get root? And everything would be all good?
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So say I flashed paranoid android when 3.0 comes out I would get root? And everything would be all good?
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yes.
Hello guys.. This is my first post and i am kinda new to rooting..
I did some research and rooted my nexus 4 using the NRT 1.6.3
I didn't install CWM or TWRP (Kept the flash CWM option unchecked under the ROOT button)
So basically I just have the Root access for the phone. Nothing more (i guess)
So am I still running on Stock Android ????
Moreover when any system updates comes in the future, can i perform the OTA updates or do i have to download it and install it from the recovery mode ???
Some people say that if u didn't install CWM or TWRP (Like i did), u can normally perform the OTA updates without any extra steps
But If u have CWM, then there are chances of bricking the phone..
I am confused. Any help would be appreciated
If you are just rooted and have not flashed any rom,which would not be possible without custom recovery, then you are still running the stock android and all the ota updates will be installed automatically
You have not installed any recovery and not any rom, then root should not be a problem for ota updates, they will come as usual and will be installed
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naman14 said:
If you are just rooted and have not flashed any rom,which would not be possible without custom recovery, then you are still running the stock android and all the ota updates will be installed automatically
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Thanks for the quick reply.
I am almost sure that i have not installed any quick recovery, but if by chance the NRT automatically installed some quick recovery, and i dont flash any ROM, so can i still perform the OTA updates in the future ??
Is there still chance to brick my phone in doing so ???
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If you are just rooted and have not flashed any rom,which would not be possible without custom recovery, then you are still running the stock android and all the ota updates will be installed automatically
You have not installed any recovery and not any rom, then root should not be a problem for ota updates, they will come as usual and will be installed
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What about unlocking the bootloader? Does that hinder in process of ota?
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Since you have already unchecked the option for custom recovery, NRT wouldd not have installed any recovery.
Rest assured you are not going to brick your device performing ota updates
You can still check if you have any custom recovery installed by pressing power button and volume up and volume down button simuntaneously when phone is switched off
BTW i think that even having a custom recovery installed would not have effect on ota updates but a custom rom will surely be
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Nope, unlocking bootloader will not hinder ota updates
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Custom recovery
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Since you have already unchecked the option for custom recovery, NRT wouldd not have installed any recovery.
Rest assured you are not going to brick your device performing ota updates
You can still check if you have any custom recovery installed by pressing power button and volume up and volume down button simuntaneously when phone is switched off
BTW i think that even having a custom recovery installed would not have effect on ota updates but a custom rom will surely be
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Alrighty.. I'll try that..
If i have a custom recovery, what should pressing the power and volume keys do during a boot ??
I mean it will take me to the default recovery mode, or to the custom recovery whichever is installed, right ??
Yes, if you have not installed any custom recovery, it would take you to stock recovery and you would be fine
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I know using twrp recovery allows you to still accept ota updates the normal way but im not sure about cwm
okay..
another question.. if i perform any OTA update, will i lose the root ??
Is there any way for performing an OTA update in which i dont lose my root ?
Here's all the info you need. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2145848
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My problem doesn't lie in any of the scenarios
El Daddy said:
Here's all the info you need. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2145848
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Thats a good link there. Correct me if i'm wrong, but my problem doesn't lie in any of the scenarios mentioned there..
I am stock + rooted 'without' any custom recovery..
is it just me, or there is no scenario mentioned there for such a case ??
You will not brick your device by ota updates
You dont have any custom recovery So there qould be no problem for ota updates they will be updated as usual
You should not lose root access while doing ota updates, and in case it goes away then how much time does it take to gain root access back with NRT?
And all the way google releases updates when everything has been done, so it is just one time update,
AGAIN, you are fine , there qould be no problem for future ota updates
And i think that most probably by the time google releases another version of android, you would be running a custom rom
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You can be on Stock Rom with No Mods Unlocked Rooted with a Custom Recovery and you will get the ota update and it will install fine.
The ota update link will be posted here before you get on your device so it's good to have a custom recovery so you can just flash it. It will also protect you from losing root and your custom recovery
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Thanks a lot guys.. That pretty much answered all my questions
Hey guys quick question my n4 is rooted and running cm10.1.3. I never bothered to upgrade to 4.3, so my radio, kernel and bootloader are stock 4.2.2. Is it better to get the ota update and be up on things or flash stock kernel, boot loader and radio for 4.4 when ever there available? Or maybe factory image?
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Just flash the stock images for kit Kat when they are available, right now back up all your data
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sacramento458 said:
Hey guys quick question my n4 is rooted and running cm10.1.3. I never bothered to upgrade to 4.3, so my radio, kernel and bootloader are stock 4.2.2. Is it better to get the ota update and be up on things or flash stock kernel, boot loader and radio for 4.4 when ever there available? Or maybe factory image?
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my friend as this will pop up all over the forum the best thing to do is just wait for a rooted version to show up. I did not upgrade my bootloader and I have not had any issues with 4.3 which mind you is a great running OS you should try it.
I dont understand having root then unrooting to flash stock which you obviously dont like since you run cm and then wait to root it all over again to back an upgraded rooted version of cm...
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Just flash the stock images for kit Kat when they are available, right now back up all your data
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Alright thanks will do
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Question on the way for the custom recovery+kernel guys on 4.3 what is the best to upgrade besides wiping your entire phone and flashing the stock images entirely?.
I think i know 2 ways just not sure they are recommended, 1st is flashing stock kernel + returning recovery to stock (should get OTA)
2nd is flashing only the system.img and the bootloader me thinks.
Feel free to verify this.
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my friend as this will pop up all over the forum the best thing to do is just wait for a rooted version to show up. I did not upgrade my bootloader and I have not had any issues with 4.3 which mind you is a great running OS you should try it.
I dont understand having root then unrooting to flash stock which you obviously dont like since you run cm and then wait to root it all over again to back an upgraded rooted version of cm...
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You make a lot of sense ,its more of curiosity and so I won't brick my nexus. So I can get away with not upgrading my bootloader for 4.4?
What about kernel, do I need to update that for 4.4 or is that judgement call?
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sacramento458 said:
You make a lot of sense ,its more of curiosity and so I won't brick my nexus. So I can get away with not upgrading my bootloader for 4.4?
What about kernel, do I need to update that for 4.4 or is that judgement call?
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you are asking questions that trial and error are going to figure out for us. Kernels of course if you are on a 4.4 rom you would use a 4.4 kernel. Upgrading your bootloader may or may not be needed but we wont know until kitkat starts popping. everyone said you needed to upgrade bootloader for 4.3 but I have never had any issue at all.... Just wait it out and read read read
Tricepz said:
Question on the way for the custom recovery+kernel guys on 4.3 what is the best to upgrade besides wiping your entire phone and flashing the stock images entirely?.
I think i know 2 ways just not sure they are recommended, 1st is flashing stock kernel + returning recovery to stock (should get OTA)
2nd is flashing only the system.img and the bootloader me thinks.
Feel free to verify this.
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Not to sure but as long as you're on stock ROM and stock kernel you should be fine although I don't know if custom recovery keeps you from getting update.
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playya said:
you are asking questions that trial and error are going to figure out for us. Kernels of course if you are on a 4.4 rom you would use a 4.4 kernel. Upgrading your bootloader may or may not be needed but we wont know until kitkat starts popping. everyone said you needed to upgrade bootloader for 4.3 but I have never had any issue at all.... Just wait it out and read read read
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Thanks for the clarification, appreciate the support.
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sacramento458 said:
Thanks for the clarification, appreciate the support.
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no problem hopefully you can pass it on to others like you who may be unsure of what to do...
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no problem hopefully you can pass it on to others like you who may be unsure of what to do...
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Absolutely bro
You do have to be on stock recovery, stock bootloader for the update to go thru properly otherwise it'll fail.
Tricepz said:
Question on the way for the custom recovery+kernel guys on 4.3 what is the best to upgrade besides wiping your entire phone and flashing the stock images entirely?.
I think i know 2 ways just not sure they are recommended, 1st is flashing stock kernel + returning recovery to stock (should get OTA)
2nd is flashing only the system.img and the bootloader me thinks.
Feel free to verify this.
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If you are still on stock rom and you just have custom kernel+recovery, U could do the following for not using any current apps or files.
- Wait till your favorite Toolkit (e.g Wug) get updated for 4.4 and then download the official factory rom.
- Extract it and keep all separate zips, like radio, bootloader,system etc.
- Unroot and flash stock kernel
- Flash all previous zips, EXCEPT user.img which will delete everything
- Reroot and U r ready to flash again custom kernel
Maybe a noob question but my n4 is rooted. Will this cause any problems withe the update?
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If you are still on stock rom and you just have custom kernel+recovery, U could do the following for not using any current apps or files.
- Wait till your favorite Toolkit (e.g Wug) get updated for 4.4 and then download the official factory rom.
- Extract it and keep all separate zips, like radio, bootloader,system etc.
- Unroot and flash stock kernel
- Flash all previous zips, EXCEPT user.img which will delete everything
- Reroot and U r ready to flash again custom kernel
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The original stock kernel of 4.3 is on the bootloader.img on the google source code aye?
Thanks, now we just need to wait for the official 4.4 on google's developers.
Tricepz said:
The original stock kernel of 4.3 is on the bootloader.img on the google source code aye?
Thanks, now we just need to wait for the official 4.4 on google's developers.
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Here a direct link for stock kernel 0.84 from JWR66V factory image
http://d-h.st/cIJ
Hello,
My phone has already had the radio upgraded to latest so it can run 4.3. I am rooted, have TWRP 2.6.3.0, will I be ok to flash the PA 4.4 and gapps? I keep posts about folks losing their sdcard data and their custom recovery being removed (not sure how!).
Thanks.
Schur1k said:
Maybe a noob question but my n4 is rooted. Will this cause any problems withe the update?
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Do you have a custom recover?
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Schur1k said:
Maybe a noob question but my n4 is rooted. Will this cause any problems withe the update?
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Do you have a custom recovery?
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maritimesbob said:
Hello,
My phone has already had the radio upgraded to latest so it can run 4.3. I am rooted, have TWRP 2.6.3.0, will I be ok to flash the PA 4.4 and gapps? I keep posts about folks losing their sdcard data and their custom recovery being removed (not sure how!).
Thanks.
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I'm sure that radio doesn't affect your ability to flash certain ROMs so you shouldn't have a problem flashing 4.4. As far as losing SD data not sure how that's happening.
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So I was running paranoid android (latest version) and I decided to try out an experimental version of kitkat. I flashed it without problems. Then I decided to try out a new ROM, so I flashed psx (latest version). I used rom manager to download and flash it. I installed an app that required root, but it said that I had no root access, even though I had root before. Did I lose my root when I flashed? How can I get it back? Thanks.
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Root is in /system. If you flashed a new ROM, and they did not include the su binaries then you don't have root.
Root is not magical. Its pretty basic stuff here. You should learn what root is before going any further.
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Yes, I know what root is. ( sorry if I worded it wrong) I should have said I lost root access. Can I install supersu to get that access back? Thanks
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Ultra_Saucy said:
Yes, I know what root is. ( sorry if I worded it wrong) I should have said I lost root access. Can I install supersu to get that access back? Thanks
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That's all that is required to root any non rooted ROM on a nexus
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I have a pre_MF3 phone but my gf has this device with NC1 Bl, I was able to use geohot's root method to acquire root access. I have supersu installed but can't update binaries. I tried using goo.im to install a recovery but that seems to have failed (it says it installed successful). Each to I try to reboot recovery it boots into DL mode and will continue doing that until I pull battery and force a it into the "booting a custom software" screen to which then I can push vol down and restart it normal but cannot in anyway get it into recovery mode. I'm assuming this may have to deal with it being a "loki'd" recovery? Does this seem like a plausible issue? If it is what's the chances of say, since we can install I9505 roms that we could install the un- "loki'd" I9505 custom recoveries? Also, this isn't packaged with a recovery so, I'm assuming the best method of installing a recovery may be odin? Any feedback would be nice, Thanks in advance
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I have a pre_MF3 phone but my gf has this device with NC1 Bl, I was able to use geohot's root method to acquire root access. I have supersu installed but can't update binaries. I tried using goo.im to install a recovery but that seems to have failed (it says it installed successful). Each to I try to reboot recovery it boots into DL mode and will continue doing that until I pull battery and force a it into the "booting a custom software" screen to which then I can push vol down and restart it normal but cannot in anyway get it into recovery mode. I'm assuming this may have to deal with it being a "loki'd" recovery? Does this seem like a plausible issue? If it is what's the chances of say, since we can install I9505 roms that we could install the un- "loki'd" I9505 custom recoveries? Also, this isn't packaged with a recovery so, I'm assuming the best method of installing a recovery may be odin? Any feedback would be nice, Thanks in advance
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Bootloader is locked. You can't have recovery besides Safestrap on any version past MDL 4.2.2. You'll have to reflash it with ODIN to fix the recovery issue and use Safestrap to flash ROMs.
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DeadlySin9 said:
Bootloader is locked. You can't have recovery besides Safestrap on any version past MDL 4.2.2. You'll have to reflash it with ODIN to fix the recovery issue and use Safestrap to flash ROMs.
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Do you understand what I'm talking about ? Geohots newest root method that works on the s5 and everything? If so I guess what you're telling me is this isn't a true root method but merely a way to get a ss installed?
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I guess I was thinking this was a true root method. It does make sense that I'll need SS seeing as how the other recovery isn't working. I'll go try installing SS
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Droidmissionary said:
I guess I was thinking this was a true root method. It does make sense that I'll need SS seeing as how the other recovery isn't working. I'll go try installing SS
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Yep,geohots is only root, still no recovery
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Droidmissionary said:
I guess I was thinking this was a true root method. It does make sense that I'll need SS seeing as how the other recovery isn't working. I'll go try installing SS
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Root is not the same as a bootloader unlock. Older phones only needed root, now that we have complicated locked bootloaders with checks we need more than just root to install a custom recovery and ROMs.
DeadlySin9 said:
Root is not the same as a bootloader unlock. Older phones only needed root, now that we have complicated locked bootloaders with checks we need more than just root to install a custom recovery and ROMs.
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No I understand and that is all my fault. I guess all this hype made me think it was a true unlock. Not just root. Im sure the hype was mostly over s5
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No I understand and that is all my fault. I guess all this hype made me think it was a true unlock. Not just root. Im sure the hype was mostly over s5
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it's still only root, good progress note not the whole enchilada
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