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[Q] HD2 WP7 business user - problems and (hopefully) solutions

While WP7 appears to be a major upgrade for HD2 from the entertainment point of view (720p recording alone is worth the trouble), for the professional user it's a step back, unfortunately, so I am not in a hurry to give up Windows Mobile It has nothing to do with the amazing work done by DFT and others, but with WP7 itself.
Copy and paste is not used that often, but at times could be vital for heavy e-mail and Office users. But at least Microsoft is working on that. Much more important is the lack of internet tethering support - a hugely underestimated feature. With original HD2 and an app like Wi-Fi Router I have a hotspot with me anywhere at any time, but with WP7 Microsoft is totally against it, possibly under pressure from the carriers.
Lack of file manager that we are used to seeing is an annoyance, but not a game changer. I am also not convinced the WP7 keyboard is nearly as good as the original HD2 one, and the apparent lack of foreign language keyboard support is also a concern.
Frankly, I am surprised not many people raise these issues, with Windows Mobile being, in my opinion, the best platform for business user, giving us a PC-like experience. But the trend appears to be dumbing down the smartphones (meaning heavy bias towards entertainment) to get the all-important market share. My hope is that Microsoft develops a special business-user version of WP7with all those issues covered.
In the meantime I would greatly appreciate an effort by developers to solve at least one of these problems - INTERNET TETHERING, either by Wi-Fi or USB. The solutions I've seen so far don't appear to be workable, but we are grateful for all your efforts.
And, finally, one question that is probably easy to answer. Is it possible, after trying out WP7 on HD2, to go back to the original ROM (T-Mobile USA)? If yes, can someone please point me to the clear directions on that?
Thank you!

how many people use phone? how many business man use phone? how many business man use phone really as a PDA? you get the point?
Don't forget, it's M$...

I'm sure I saw tethering on a MS to do list and get the impression it's less about being unwilling to do it an more about being unable, for now.
File Manager - there is one, TouchXplorer. More relevant is the difficulty in getting files on there - it can be done, but it's a faff.
I wouldn't argue that WP7 is more aimed at those who feel the need to share every sentient thought with 'friends' they don't even know on FacePage or Twaddle, but the Office tools are actually very good and with SkyDrive integration there are potentially some very useful ways of working.
The keyboard? Don'y like it especially but it's not much worse than the original. Having a Swype variant would be far better.
One thing not mentioned is the fact that WP7 is more stable and performs better than WM6.5.5.
There are a bunch of threads around on backing out WP7, a search should find something quite quickly but it's pretty straightforward.

Thanks a lot, Gustopher, for a detailed response! Good points.

bussinesmen always carry a notebook with them for heavy documents editing.
bussinesmen should have a corporate laptop with corporate 3g/umts dongle.
Real bussinesmen should have an assistent to do all their work.
However, the email client on WP7 is the best of all other platforms. Real full support for multiple folder syncing. Reading email is like reading a letter on a paper because of the clean and neat look. Just too bad it doesn't shows HTML.
There is always room for improvement and it'll get all the features eventually.

Actually most probs including Tethering can be solved with hacks or workarounds. For me the biggest annoyance is that mail forwarding was left out for some unknown reason. I forward a lot of mails from my phone and this really sucks big time
Also Office Mobile is less functional than it used to be on WM 6.5. Where is find and replace

To be candid i love the keyboard and the smoothness of the system but everything else is half done. How i wish i could just combine the features of different os. If i could then I'll combine the functionality of winsmob 6.5 with the keyboard and smoothness of wp7 and then take the apps from android. Thats would be the almost perfect os of all times. But hey i guess i'm just a dreamer.

Thanks for your responses. Hyellow, nowadays when they say "business user" (or "business traveler", etc), in America, they don't actually mean important businessmen, just people who use something for work - I guess I should've been more specific. Sometimes I carry a notebook, sometimes not, and I often need to receive and/or send emails with attached Word documents at different times of day and night. And I didn't even need a dongle with a great Wi-Fi sharing tool that I could also use to share internet with others.

TheOnly1 said:
Actually most probs including Tethering can be solved with hacks or workarounds. For me the biggest annoyance is that mail forwarding was left out for some unknown reason. I forward a lot of mails from my phone and this really sucks big time
Also Office Mobile is less functional than it used to be on WM 6.5. Where is find and replace
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You can forward mails... Just tap on reply, and it will ask if you want to reply or just forward...

Barmalei said:
And, finally, one question that is probably easy to answer. Is it possible, after trying out WP7 on HD2, to go back to the original ROM (T-Mobile USA)? If yes, can someone please point me to the clear directions on that?
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It's actually mentioned in the first post of the LEO70 ROM thread. Basically, to return to WM6.5, you just flash a ROM as you would normally do.
If you want to return to a TMOUS stock ROM, this would be how:
1) Get the stock ROM you want to flash
2) Shut down your HD2
3) Switch on your HD2 while holding the volume down key to enter bootloader
4) [Optional] Clean up NAND using task29
5) Flash your stock ROM, 2 options:
a) To remove HSPL, flash from MicroSD card
b) To keep HSPL, flash over USB using ROM Update Utility (RUU)
If you choose to remove HSPL, be careful to use an original ROM for your region/provider.

Barmalei said:
While WP7 appears to be a major upgrade ... the clear directions on that?
Thank you!
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I second this. Thats why im running android gingerbread. It is not perfect, but close. The main thing i am missing in andriod is a good office package. In wp7 it mainly designed for multimedia purpose..
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kristofpetho said:
You can forward mails... Just tap on reply, and it will ask if you want to reply or just forward...
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OMG You really saved my day Never thought that forwarding will be bundled with reply

Thanks a lot for detailed instructions, meptik! I haven't flashed a ROM for a long time, so this is extremely helpful.
I also wonder if anyone knows an answer to this question:
If I take a stock U.S. T-Mobile-locked HD2 and run WP7 on it, does the phone become UNLOCKED so it can be used on any GSM carrier, including major European networks?

Solution for problems with SD cards and/or random reboots
Many people are experiencing problems with SD cards and/or random reboots, and I think I solved mine (I am rather a newbie), so here is my report.
Few days ago I installed WP7 (thanks a lot, DFT guys) on my U.S. T-mobile HD2 with its original 16 GB class 2 micro SD card, using radio 2.10.50.08.2.
Installation went very well, the phone worked very smoothly and very fast, except it started freezing and randomly rebooting. Hard resets didn't help. Then I removed SD card and reset the phone - it worked very well and fast and did not have any reboots.
I tried reformatting the SD card to Fat32 (using free software SDformatter - it fully clears the card after WP7 use and removes partitions, make sure you put Format Size Adjustment "ON" in Options) and reset the phone with the card. It did not help, the reboots were the same as before.
So I decided that the 16 GB card wasn't good for WP7 and bought a PNY 4 GB class 4 card for $10 at Staples. I reset the phone with this new card inside. At first everything worked very slowly, but at least the reboots completely disappeared. In few hours everything became fast, except for certain things, like it would take 15-30 seconds for the camera to reset after shooting a 1 min video.
Finally, I decided to try something else. I reflashed radio to 2.15.50.14 with the original 16 GB card (reformatted again), and everything seems to work very well -it's fast, and there has been no reboots so far in few hours. The battery also seems to drain with a normal pace.

Interesting error message 2300 / thoughts on phone after 1 month

Hello all,
Just thought I'd share a curiosity I never saw come up for the Xperia X2 in all my searches. I bought the phone new from an affiliate vendor off a major e-merchant. The box looked a bit worn but all the original accessories were inside, and all the protective screen film, etc. appeared untouched. Every time I boot the phone, I get an error message:
Customization (2300)
Error during operation. Try again?
Hitting yes, I believe gets the same message, and "no" continues the boot. This carries with it several interesting curiosities. I don't know much about flashing and primary vs secondary OS environment or whatever but it appears the phone is entirely devoid of customization (bastardization?) by SE and is like a demo WM 6.5 clean install with a few differences:
- I still found some SE ringtones, and probably other stuff on the SD that came with the phone
- The thing came with Google Mobile App
- The bottom 2 buttons don't work (the toggly thing or w/e it is and "Ok"). Still working on this - suggestions appreciated.
I guess the drawbacks are that I don't see all the custom SE skins that some may find to be cool, and that the time resets with every reboot, which was a major setback until I got SmartTimeSync, which essentially made it a non-issue.
I'm potentially lucky because:
- the phone may or may not run faster, although full web pages do take a while to load in IE. For some reason, I didn't like Opera Mobile 10 - feel it's too difficult to get out of it / multitask, and didn't find it a lot faster. I can watch even an embedded youtube on a web page, which sometimes even plays without frame shake or w/e, when the phone is happy. Plays well on the google youtube app.
- Skype, in this day in age . Works well, although not through earpiece but speaker or headphone
- I forgot what else people complained SE crippled, but maybe those other things as well
I also wanted to say I really like the phone - it really does the job for me as far as the deal I get for unlimited data on a major North American carrier by using a phone like this if people know what I mean. And I am getting great usage out of it. IMAP email (still working on Exchange - getting certificate errors but this may be a problem with the server end. Kind of sucks though that I get a Microsoft product and can't get the Exchange to work), tethering is a breeze both cable and bluetooth, Google Maps with GPS - haven't tried any dedicated soft yet, got the X2 light thingy working. A lot of this may be old and tried for you guys but I couldn't get on the smartphone craze bandwagon because it's not affordable/worth it for me if I have to pay up in the subsidy phone then shackled to data plan contract game. A year or two ago before iphone 4 came out, I was just amazed at screen quality on the HTCs but was shocked by price tag and could never believe I could get a similar experience so soon. I love the way the letters look in IE on this thing all tiny in Cleartype. I'm an old school Microsoft fan, so this was right up my alley - I've never owned an Apple product, although I'm disappointed with the new Microsoft products like the new Bing map styling, Phone 7, Vista, Windows 7, Word 2007, etc. Anyway, thought I'd share this, and I'd be interested in hearing from the experts on why my phone might be behaving this way, thoughts, advice, etc.
In near future, hoping to downgrade ActiveStink so it can go over wifi and install Terminal Services client. That could be cool on a screen like this...

download sony ericsson update service from here install on your pc and follow the instructions on updating the device from the description of your problem it's a bad flash.

Would it load up the latest release if I do that and deprive me of Skype?

openinterest said:
Would it load up the latest release if I do that and deprive me of Skype?
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yes you will get the latest realease of the phone's firmware , (skype does not come pre installed) you can install it later again.

openinterest said:
Would it load up the latest release if I do that and deprive me of Skype?
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Skype does not work in the latest release. Then you cannot revert to the previous firmware under any circumstances.
This is a fact, it is your choice.
My advice is to let Skype go. First firmware is holding back the hardware and Skype doesn't work quite smoothly. My guess is this is why they ceased support, it was nice to know Skype was there but less then mediocre quality.
Put on the latest firmware and overclock the device to 1056. You'll find several useful tweaks on this forum. It will never rise up to what the hardware was meant to do but you'll find it a bit better than acceptable.
There is a workaround however, you can back up the current instalation with Resco then call it back if you need.

[Q] HTC HD2 Newbie in the UK - What do you suggest?

Well sort of. Had the phone for about 15 months now, and at the pub the other day, a friend of a friend sees my phone and says "visit xda-developers.com" and find out what you can do with your phone.
Currently - Phone stock standard with UK Voda, been updated once running WM 6.5. (simply to get a longer battery life - voda uk arent too proactive at updates)
I use the phone as
1. A phone (calls/texts etc) and a wireless router for a laptop (when out of the office and no internet connection)
2. Sync with my outlook on pc (W7/ outlook 2010) (to keep recent emails on record for work)
3. Retrieve emails (work account and hotmail) on the move. Guess its important to have office software and some PDF software.
4. Web Browsing (Opera)
5. Camera and Camcorder
6. Occasional Facebook uploads of photos (re: new years eve drunken photos)
7. Sometimes access messenger (live) msn
8. I have a Skype account (not ever used it on the phone)
9. Occasionally run the odd game or you tube to waste time
10. Have never bothered to put music on the phone, but would be good when I run once a week to listen to some decent tunes or radio.
I have briefly looked around the site (well done) and see a multitude of options for things I never really knew I could do on the phone. (For reference I had one of the old PSP 1.5v which I continually played around with to update (flash rom) to use homebrew applications - so can follow instructions quite well)
So here are my questions...
In an ideal world, what would you suggest would be the best course of action for the phone and why? I guess this should cover os/radio/software etc. I have no preferences.
Any issues to consider with Voda UK? - (this is my phone with a company sim, and its out of warranty)
I have looked around for a thread similar to this, as I wouldn't have posted if there was one. If there is one, please point me to it.
Wifey has an Iphone (dont ask) so I wouldnt mind having an all singing all dancing HTC HD2 to dazzle any Iphone owners with its brilliance.
Oh, and I am all for donating beer monies for those that can give me the best answers I seek
Cheers

I have gone down the dual boot windows Phone 7 and Sd Android route. There is a good video tutorial by 96Edwy.
I dont think your Mrs will be impressed by you spending hours on the computer/phone when you could be doing something useful!
I have found that no matter what you do with this brilliant phone, iphone users will still think theirs is the best.
Still, that said, its all good fun innit

well i think you should try out android.
all the points you mentioned are covered by the os so you can do everything you want.
the difference to wm 6.5 is the much greater number of software that is available.
i really liked wm 6.5.5 on my hd2 with sense but since i am using android i'm really happy with my phone. just because developement on android goes on.
and it's running so smooth on the hd2 and everything works.
you should make a full backup of your wm6.5 rom with spb backup or something like that and just try it out.
windows phone is also great but i think the lack of a good display driver for multitouch is more noticable on windows phone than on android.
but just try it out and decide on your own. if you flashed everything one time it's really fast and you can try everything in one day.

I think it is a must to at least try dual booting Windows Phone 7 and Android. I am currently running Windows Phone 7 (NoDo update) and Android (AOSP CM7 - AmericanAndroid) and I LOVE it. You can get the power and customizability of CM7 at any time, and at the press (or a few presses) of a button you can go back to the smooth, elegant, sleek interface of Windows Phone 7 if you want simplicity and a more robust/unique UI. I never find battery life to be too draining on the SD Android, and there are tweaks to get it respectable on Windows Phone 7. And, this is of course all with the amazing MAGLDR, which allows us to dual boot this. I even have a couple other builds (MIUI and/or Sense) of Android I will switch to sometimes with just a few extra button presses in MAGLDR. So, I guess you could say I'm tri-booting even. Moral of the story, you can do so much more when you dual boot. The only thing I am missing out on Android being on SD (that I know of) is Clockworkmod recovery, which isn't as necessary since you can drag and drop from your SD card to back up system and data images. Well, I've rambled far too long and hope this helps you. Good luck!

I'd suggest you read this guide to get started. It'll help you understand all the terms and what nots in this HD2 world.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1021837
And as they say above, if you want an experience, go for dual booting. Though you need to find yourself two sd cards and be carrying them. xD

Kailkti said:
I'd suggest you read this guide to get started. It'll help you understand all the terms and what nots in this HD2 world.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1021837
And as they say above, if you want an experience, go for dual booting. Though you need to find yourself two sd cards and be carrying them. xD
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there's no need for two cards just the right partitioning.

I suggest you to use the phone as is on Windows Mobile 6.5 till you get used to it. The HD2 is awesome even on the Windows Mobile. Next when you feel you need to do more, you need more updated apps, and more functionality on the HD2, you can switch to Android, which is available in various flavors- Sense & Stock. You will have the options to chose a ROM which would give what you need, and there will always be updates to the OS, to the apps it uses and also the functionality enhancement.
If Windows Phone 7 gets more apps and developers produce something good, you'll have additional choice here. WP7 is really slick on HD2, just the lack of apps and several bugs, specifically related to battery, etc.
Concerning outshining the iPhone, you have got wonderful widgets to outdo the iPhone Springboard. Similar apps are also available on the Android Market. Moreover you will have extra functionality like Bluetooth transfer between any devices, use of your phone as storage (pen) drive, for tethering (USB & WiFi) on laptop, transfering music, data or other content from any PC, no iTunes.

As mentioned above, you do not need 2 SD cards. I have my 16GB partitioned where Android gets ~8GB and WP7 gets ~8GB. Also, Hamsn, I believe the OP is already at this point, seeing from his first post that he's had it for 15 months and is now looking for suggestions on where to go from WM6.5. Either way, OP, I think you will be pleasantly surprised regardless of which route you take. There are so many options for the HD2 that it really is like a computer in your pocket. Just how you can load pretty much any OS on a laptop without big corporations locking it down, that's how the HD2 is (and how every smart phone should be!). This is off topic, but on that note, I suggest every HD2 owner go "like" the HTC page on Facebook and leave a post telling them how they better revise their new bootloader policy (with the locked EVO 3D, etc.) or we will never buy HTC again. We will never have a worthy successor to the HD2 if they keep this up.

Spot on drewden123. I am looking for something different than 6.5 (as been on this almost 17 months now). I think I will go down the dual boot route, (WP7 and Android) just getting myself a larger micro SD card to handle it. (as noted I will follow the partition instructions using a 16gb card)
I already know that WP7 will probably do my nut if it causes battery issues (this is the only bad thing I have to say about the whole phone since I had it), but I wont know until I try it.
I guess I will finally end back on a likely 6.5 /Android dual boot.
Just wanted to know if people thought I should not even try WP7 considering the need for activation being a slight pain vs what WP7 actually delivers on this phone.
Thanks for all input so far.

i just tried it for some time without activating and sideloaded some apps. just to see how i like it. but then i went back to android on nand without dual boot to be able to use cwm recovery.
i would suggest you doing the same and if you like wp7 you can activate and install dual boot. but if you don't know if you will like it you shouldn't do the whole work with partitioning sd, activating and everything.
i went back because the multitouch on wp was much worse than on android and the battery drain was just too high. also i was not able to get an activation code.

Foxmanuk said:
Well sort of. Had the phone for about 15 months now, and at the pub the other day, a friend of a friend sees my phone and says "visit xda-developers.com" and find out what you can do with your phone.
Currently - Phone stock standard with UK Voda, been updated once running WM 6.5. (simply to get a longer battery life - voda uk arent too proactive at updates)
I use the phone as
1. A phone (calls/texts etc) and a wireless router for a laptop (when out of the office and no internet connection)
2. Sync with my outlook on pc (W7/ outlook 2010) (to keep recent emails on record for work)
3. Retrieve emails (work account and hotmail) on the move. Guess its important to have office software and some PDF software.
4. Web Browsing (Opera)
5. Camera and Camcorder
6. Occasional Facebook uploads of photos (re: new years eve drunken photos)
7. Sometimes access messenger (live) msn
8. I have a Skype account (not ever used it on the phone)
9. Occasionally run the odd game or you tube to waste time
10. Have never bothered to put music on the phone, but would be good when I run once a week to listen to some decent tunes or radio.
I have briefly looked around the site (well done) and see a multitude of options for things I never really knew I could do on the phone. (For reference I had one of the old PSP 1.5v which I continually played around with to update (flash rom) to use homebrew applications - so can follow instructions quite well)
So here are my questions...
In an ideal world, what would you suggest would be the best course of action for the phone and why? I guess this should cover os/radio/software etc. I have no preferences.
Any issues to consider with Voda UK? - (this is my phone with a company sim, and its out of warranty)
I have looked around for a thread similar to this, as I wouldn't have posted if there was one. If there is one, please point me to it.
Wifey has an Iphone (dont ask) so I wouldnt mind having an all singing all dancing HTC HD2 to dazzle any Iphone owners with its brilliance.
Oh, and I am all for donating beer monies for those that can give me the best answers I seek
Cheers
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New knowledge to me. Thank you ... (sorry... should hit the thanks button...)

Foxmanuk said:
Spot on drewden123. I am looking for something different than 6.5 (as been on this almost 17 months now). I think I will go down the dual boot route, (WP7 and Android) just getting myself a larger micro SD card to handle it. (as noted I will follow the partition instructions using a 16gb card)
I already know that WP7 will probably do my nut if it causes battery issues (this is the only bad thing I have to say about the whole phone since I had it), but I wont know until I try it.
I guess I will finally end back on a likely 6.5 /Android dual boot.
Just wanted to know if people thought I should not even try WP7 considering the need for activation being a slight pain vs what WP7 actually delivers on this phone.
Thanks for all input so far.
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Well, fwiw I do not have that much of a battery drain on WP7, and most ROMs have a bug/fix where if you go into camera, switch it to camcorder, then switch back the battery drain is fixed. Also, activation is a breeze if you do it over MS chat (say you're from US though, I think). The good thing about having the dual boot is that WP7 is only going to improve and get more modern from here. If you dual boot with WM6.5 the OS gets more and more stagnant and outdated. We should be getting Mango sometime in the coming months and I think DFT will have a way where you can actually update your phone directly from Zune like it's an HD7. And, of course, you can always keep a nice CM7 or MIUI for your Android boot option. Maybe I'm just so dazzled by having both the awesome UI of WP7 and the power of CM7 that I think it's the best way to go, but it all comes down to personal preference. If you need the features of WM6.5 go for it. But, WP7, like I said, is just getting better and better, and the only difference from NAND Android and SD is that you don't get clockworkmod. With WP7 and Android you can basically have an HD7 and an EVO in one device.

Thanks for all the help on this thread. I have successfully dual booted WP7 and SD Android on first attempt.
For fellow newbies out there, read, read, read, and then take things slow.
I made sure I knew as much as I could and things went through easily.
WP7 was a 3 min job over MS chat. All working well.
Just getting used to both OS. Think I will use WP7 at work, and Android later in the day. I will post back about practicalities of having both as dual boot options.
I can see already there are a few things I need to get used to on both OS.

Received my new Le Pro 3, first time hand on experience and some questions

received the le pro3 today. it is a really very fast phone! it is dual sim international model - see the attached photos. everything works, except here are few problems and questions:
1) the charging is really slow.- see the attached picture. looks like the QC3.0 does not work at all.
2) i have enabled NFC, and when trying to install android pay, the apps says ' it not able to identify what system the phone has......so the android pay does not work with this phone
3) where do i find drive file for Le Pro 3 PC connection? if i just plug in the phone, the PC does not see it.

1) I think fast charge only works when screen is off and phone is idle. Also I think only charges up to around 80% for safety, then normal charging kicks in.
2) Android pay installed ok, but upon opening just informs me that it's unavailable..shrugs...edit turning on nfc lets the app start up to add card entry, then get an error saying Google didn't recognise phone or software is Android compatible
3) I think just standard adb drivers for your OS is needed

thanks for the quick reply. i try to compare using another charger ( 5v 2A charger for older phone) , and found the charging current is much bigger (at around 1200ma compare to the factory's charger's 600ma).
tried to turn on NFC and also downloaded another apps to test the NFC - the rest result is OK. but installed Android pay again, still not working..... here is the err - see the attached.
for the USB ADB driver, i have not found a working one yet. tried to download few. but when try to install, it does not show any device? so unable to install. if i plug the phone to PC, the pc does not see the phone....?

Does the back have a brushed feel or matte feel? Saw on some pictures from the US release that it was brushed but some youtube videos show a matte feel. Looks a little confusing.

it is very good quality solid built phone. the back is metal (brushed ), i compare it to my daughter's iphone 6 plus, while hold in the hand, you almost cannot tell the difference beside the finger print location. and the interface (EUI) is easy to use. i think it is better than the google's MM6.0 native ui. the left bottom does two things . it gives you easy access to multiple app windows, quick control ( like the MM's native UI's drop down control) and some other controls and you can slid it left to right to access lots more items than the old MM6.0 native dropdown function. it works very well. the middle home bottom if hold more than 1 second, it take a screen shot. works really handy. And the fingerprint sensor works really fast to unlock apps or the power. so you dont need the power bottom anymore.
Phone manager and the battery: it has quiet few very useful battery management functions, the phone manager allow you control network access for both Data and Wifi - see photo attached.
the battery life: after fully charged at 23:00 last night, keep both Cell ( including data) and wifi on ( wifi will sleep after screen off), at 8:00am this morning, it has 96% battery .....
the camera is also decent. not as good as iphone 6 plus's one, but very good.
overall, i am very happy with the phone.
Problems remaining to be solved: android pay, and slow charging. and i am still not able to get it to connect to my pc ( windows 10). can someone show me where to get a working adb driver?
i think the phone is too new, some update will fix these issues.

I know it's kind of early, but what is the SOT for device so far. Also does the device get warm after continuous usage
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toanau said:
I know it's kind of early, but what is the SOT for device so far. Also does the device get warm after continuous usage
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i have the phone only for one day. so far i have not experience 'warm' yet. as i dont play games. but yesterday, the phone was almost on all day from the morning, and with charger connected. just surfing the web and install apps. the phone is very fast, and not really warm ( i mean is is just normal compare to other phones). Note, my LePro3 is not the US version which is a single sim and 4Gram and 64G storage, but mine is a dual sim, 6G RAM, 64 G storage version. i am try to figure how to get PC's adb drive installed. strange, the phone works fine on my other PCs which are also windows 10......
update: the PC only see phone connected as PTP device, but not MTP for some reason. on my other PC the MTP connection works OK. try to update drive, but the PC still show ' unknow device' if i switch the USB mode to MTP.
and i bought it from this place:
http://www.camelwill.com/

Just try to enable developer option, after touched the screen 6 times. It shows this photo. So looks like the international version outside USA is a custom rom. i checked, the phone is not rooted , but some apps says the phone is not 100% rooted....
no wonder google's android pay does not work. as android pay does not support rooted phone
looking for factory official rom to come.......
Sent from my LeEco Pro3

samsungandriod said:
received the le pro3 today.
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Hi! I've just ordered and am still waiting for my Pro 3.
Regarding Android Pay:
Android Pay uses the Safety Net API to check if a specific device has passed the Android CTS (Compatibility Test Suite) tests and is whitelisted on this compatibility checklist as a valid Android device. See also here: Checking Device Compatibility with SafetyNet and Android Compatibility Program
So as long the used ROM is not whitelisted in Google's CTS checks, Android Pay will always claim that this device is not compatible (even if it's unchanged and not rooted).
So either LeEco gets its ROMs checked by the Android Compatibility program or you will have to wait until some developer finds other ways to circumvent the SafetyNet checks..

How's the battery life after a couple of days of usage?

toanau said:
How's the battery life after a couple of days of usage?
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The battery is a strong point with this phone. Getting 10 hours SOT by mostly browsing on WiFi with low indoor screen brightness.
.. To the OP query about charging, being no doubt on a vendor rom, maybe a needed process for fast charging has been deleted. I notice in running apps i have 3 separate qualcomm services running. Is yours the same?

Nice phone there mate.
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Does this phone have an rgb notification led?

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Does this phone have an rgb notification led?
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If it's the same as Le Max 2, then yes it does. Unfortunately leeco eui gives no control and makes all notifications flash green. Battery notifications are red low battery, orangey/yellow charging. On le max 2 once on a cm13 rom all colours become available to apps, I guess it would be the same on this phone.

after few days usage, the phone is very good, especially the battery. i dont use any 3rd party battery apps, just the phone's build in battery management. for the slow charging issue, i also saw report for other Le Pro2 reported bug of slow charging from this latest EUI5.8. i believe there will be an update come up soon to address some of bugs introduced from the new EUI5.8 based rom.

I've heard that the metal back got a coating on it that makes it feel almost like plastic, is it true? Think i'm gonna order one this weekend, overall it look pretty solid for 300$

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I've heard that the metal back got a coating on it that makes it feel almost like plastic, is it true? Think i'm gonna order one this weekend, overall it look pretty solid for 300$
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The back is really smooth, even the brushed metal version but it feels cold to the touch like a metal phone should so you know its real metal

It is real Metal feeling. These days Chinese manufacturers make best phones if they want. Take a look at iPhone which is made in China. Also, these new comers like LeEco and others are determined to officially enter the US market, there wont be any copy right issues. And the support will be good too. They all knew that before they make such move.
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For this of us who bought other le phone previously that is different story. Because there was no official support for Google in those phones as Google is not available in China. Even those so called international models are not official ROMs. But I believe things are no changes
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[IMPORTANT NOTICE] Ultratablet issues/bugs reporting & future updates

Hello Ultratablet users,
First, thanks for your continued support. If you are an Ultratablet user that has felt disappointed in your experience in any way, and would like to help us allocate our resources to be put to work efficiently, please read on.
With all of our products, we've consistently taken the approach of getting them in the hands of the users first, and then collecting as much feedback as possible so that we can improve upon the experience quickly and early in the life of the product. We are at our core, a software company first. That's why you would have experienced a lot of updates early when we first started shipping Ultratablets in the middle of 2015.
The earliest updates fixed critical issues that affected the majority of users. Later, the updates addressed certain types of usage issues including video playback, widely used apps issues, etc. At that point in time, we also had support from the design house for the board.
We're at a point now where much of the issues we see our users reporting to be related to platform or firmware issues. Solutions for these types of issues need the design house that designed and manufactured the board in the Ultratablet to be involved. However, their support have now basically slowed to almost a stop because they generally move on from old business to focus on new business. This is an unfortunate, but business driven and standardized way of operations in our industry.
Thus, what we can still do today is deal with software related issues that we can resolve. For platform or firmware related issues, we have almost reached a proverbial ceiling. I write this so to be transparent and honest.
Moving forward, here are two ways we can collect information about the current issues affecting your Ultratablet experience and how we can still provide updates and support. Knowing what the current issues are is the first step to allocating resources to fix these issues.
1. Fill out the following form and please provide us as much detail as possible:
http://support.jide.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
2. Provide details of your issue in detail here in this thread. Please include:
Remix OS version (Found in 'Settings > About tablet')
Serial number (Found in 'Settings > About tablet')
Detailed explanation of issue including affected app(s), opened apps. A screenshot or a video of the issue goes a long way. These details help us attempt to reproduce the issue in-house so we can troubleshoot them here.
After a week or so, I will collect all the issues reported in the form and here, and I'll work with the product manager to work on an update that fixes what we can.
Thanks for your continued patience and understanding.

With all due respect, I would take the lack of responses you are sure to get to be indication of how most of us feel. While I get that we were supporting a Kickstarter campaign, I didn't quite expect to be left behind so quickly, hardware or not. It didn't take very long at all for new devices to come up, with new and better updates that NEVER would come to the first launch your company made.

I do get what the lack of responses may allude to. Since the Ultratablet Kickstarter campaign, we have issued around 30 updates and migrated the Ultratablet from to Remix OS 1.0 (based on Android 4.4) to Remix OS 1.5 (based on Android 5.0) to Remix OS 2.0 (based on Android 5.1). I also acknowledge that updates have been fewer and fewer for the past few months, especially since the Tegra 4 chip doesn't support Marshmallow.
I have thus far gotten one private message with a list of detailed issues the user is facing with the Ultratablet. With that list as our only compass, I'm working with the product manager to see what we can fix. If you could also share a list of the issues you face as well, we'd have more information to work on.
As far as new and better goes, are you reffering more to upgrades to Remix OS 3.0, which Ultratablet's chip doesn't support, or are you referring to specific features? If there are features from other versions of Remix OS that you feel would fit well on Ultratablet, we'd be happy to incorporate them.
Finally, I do apologize on behalf of all of us here if the Ultratable community feels "left behind". We do know that our earliest users put us on the map in the first place. We also have to first survive as a startup or else, we wouldn't even be chatting this moment.
Please leave us as detailed notes on your issues as possible. We're still commited on fixing the issues we can. Thanks.
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With all due respect, I would take the lack of responses you are sure to get to be indication of how most of us feel. While I get that we were supporting a Kickstarter campaign, I didn't quite expect to be left behind so quickly, hardware or not. It didn't take very long at all for new devices to come up, with new and better updates that NEVER would come to the first launch your company made.
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I posted this question sometime ago in the forum,did not get any respond from Remix.
I would like to know if Remix engineers will be releasing a kernel patch to fix the CVE-2016-5195 linux bug?

I'm usually the guy manning our XDA forums and it's much easier and faster for me to respond if you @me. I'll find an engineer tomorrow to talk to about this and I'll give you some feedback. Just to be sure, is this related to the Ultratablet or to Remix OS for PC? I see Linux, and I'm thinking the latter...
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I posted this question sometime ago in the forum,did not get any respond from Remix.
I would like to know if Remix engineers will be releasing a kernel patch to fix the CVE-2016-5195 linux bug?
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I'm usually the guy manning our XDA forums and it's much easier and faster for me to respond if you @me. I'll find an engineer tomorrow to talk to about this and I'll give you some feedback. Just to be sure, is this related to the Ultratablet or to Remix OS for PC? I see Linux, and I'm thinking the latter...
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It is related to ALL OS's based on the Linux kernel, Android, Ubuntu, RedHat, Debian, etc.

For me the biggest problem is audio stuttering while screen is off. I have filled out a form as OP requested but I got answer that it is already fixed. Not for me, I am on the latest version and the problem is there. I did fastboot Remix OS image restoration and via OTA went to the latest. I would like to hear you loud if audio stuttering exist for you or I am the only one.
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For me the biggest problem is audio stuttering while screen is off. I have filled out a form as OP requested but I got answer that it is already fixed. Not for me, I am on the latest version and the problem is there. I did fastboot Remix OS image restoration and via OTA went to the latest. I would like to hear you loud if audio stuttering exist for you or I am the only one.
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Yes I also get stuttering sometimes when I use Xiialive in it is in the background.

I just confirmed with the product manager that the November 1st and November 6th Android security patch issued by Google will be included in the next update for all of our Remix OS products including Ultratablet. Thanks for the assistance!
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It is related to ALL OS's based on the Linux kernel, Android, Ubuntu, RedHat, Debian, etc.
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Thanks for sharing this along with the app that is having this issue.
@Marcink00 - Can you also help by indicating the app(s) that are creating this issue for you?
@Marcink00 @heavyt - Can I assume that you guys are all on the latest version of Remix OS on your Ultratablets?
Thanks again.
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Yes I also get stuttering sometimes when I use Xiialive in it is in the background.
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@RemixOS_Jason Yes I am on the lastest version. Aplications which trigger this issue are streaming apps, for me mainly Spotify and Soundcloud. My suspicion is when a screen goes off the tablet limits wifi data and because of it a stuttering appears.

@RemixOS_Jason Yes I am on the lastest version.

@RemixOS_Jason while we are having your attention here I would like to ask about one small enhancement. I am not aware if Remix OS 3.0 has it or not but a feature which I miss very much is expanding notification. In 2.0 we are not able to do so. Moreover the spotify notification does not have a playback controll at all.
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RemixOS_Jason said:
Thanks for sharing this along with the app that is having this issue.
@Marcink00 - Can you also help by indicating the app(s) that are creating this issue for you?
@Marcink00 @heavyt - Can I assume that you guys are all on the latest version of Remix OS on your Ultratablets?
Thanks again.
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@RemixOS_Jason I have discovered that I can stop the stuttering in audio when the tablet's screen is blank and an audio app is playing by connecting the tablet to a usb charger. So if the audio is suttering while the tablet's screen is sleep, plugging in a charger to the the tablet will stop the stuttering. So it seems the problem is active when the tablet is on battery power. This only works with a usb charger not the magnet charger.

Display Link Presenter & Screen Standby
Resolved since this post, however the request for widgets is still valid.
I am using these two apps along with a Targus USB docking station. This allows me to use an external monitor and it works well. The issue I have is with the Screen Standby. The only way to engage it is to open the play store and then open the app. I believe in normal Android, this app is widget based and for Remix therein lies the problem.
I have attempted to check open in full screen mode and normal mode with no improvement in either case.
Please consider adding widget support for those of us who do have requirements for widgets.
Thank you.

Hey Tom,
I just checked with the product manager and it appears that widget support was taken away from Ultratablet global users while the Chinese ROM kept it. I'm entirely sure why as the person in charge at the time is no longer on the project.
In any case, we'll add it to features that will show up in the next update. The ETA, I suspect for the next update is within a couple of weeks.
Thanks,
Jason
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Resolved since this post, however the request for widgets is still valid.
I am using these two apps along with a Targus USB docking station. This allows me to use an external monitor and it works well. The issue I have is with the Screen Standby. The only way to engage it is to open the play store and then open the app. I believe in normal Android, this app is widget based and for Remix therein lies the problem.
I have attempted to check open in full screen mode and normal mode with no improvement in either case.
Please consider adding widget support for those of us who do have requirements for widgets.
Thank you.
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I've just shared your comment with the product manager. For the past week or so, we've been trying to reproduce the issue without success. The closest our Ultratablets come to "stuttering" is that audio (for apps like spotify, soundcloud, etc) will lag for a split second after the Ultratablet goes to sleep. After that, on our Ultratablets, the audio returns and plays normally.
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@RemixOS_Jason I have discovered that I can stop the stuttering in audio when the tablet's screen is blank and an audio app is playing by connecting the tablet to a usb charger. So if the audio is suttering while the tablet's screen is sleep, plugging in a charger to the the tablet will stop the stuttering. So it seems the problem is active when the tablet is on battery power. This only works with a usb charger not the magnet charger.
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RemixOS_Jason said:
I've just shared your comment with the product manager. For the past week or so, we've been trying to reproduce the issue without success. The closest our Ultratablets come to "stuttering" is that audio (for apps like spotify, soundcloud, etc) will lag for a split second after the Ultratablet goes to sleep. After that, on our Ultratablets, the audio returns and plays normally.
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@RemixOS_Jason, I thank you for your quick response. But I am very puzzled that the problem can not be reproduce by your team. Have you tried with the keyboard attached and tablet running on battery only?
A quick solution would be to send the tablet that you have that is working without suttering to me and I will send you my tablet, OK?

I've got lots of complains about this tablet. I upgraded my Remix Mini pledge after raising a question about the Ultratablet's relatively old SOC and potential future support. Of course I was told that there's nothing to worry about and that it's a fully capable SOC that will receive enough future support. The Ultratablet was practically abandoned a mere year after its release, and I don't see the Mini getting any more than "Security and stability" updates, so we basically can forget about new features here.
I barely use my Ultratablet mainly because it's so damn buggy! Not to mention the usual stutter and not-so-fluid interface. I think those are the reasons even you guys stopped using it. If you were using your own tablet for only a few hours a week, I'm sure you'd find enough bugs to fix that'd keep you busy for another year.
And how about backporting new features back to the Ultratablet?
But if you insist only on bugs, let me make a short list for you:
1. It's impossible to simulate a right-click on tablet-mode (without a keyboard). Let's say you want to access the right-click menu of a running application on a taskbar without a keyboard - it's impossible to do.
2. There's a 50% change that the trackpad will miss my double-click action for opening apps.
3. Suddenly closing apps - this one is weird. I opened Chrome a couple of minutes ago, looked away for a second and it was gone. Same goes for other apps. Mostly happens with the Play Store (might be easier to find).
4. Battery life is still BAD. I started writing this post with around 90% , and now I have 71%. This is NOT normal by any means. You look at less than two hours normal usage. My phone got a smaller 3000mah battery and a QHD display and with the same usage PLUS cellular connectivity and Bluetooth on all the time I'd get triple if not more usage time.
5. When minimizing fullscreen apps, you'd get like a second of black screen time before the next app/desktop shows. Seems like a small thing but can sometimes drive you mad!
6. We used to have 5GHz network support on OS 1.5. Now it's gone! Plus, it doesn't pick as many networks as my other devices sitting right next to it.
I can go on all day about my problems with this device, and there are other, more critical bugs that I just can't remember now, since the last time I used this device was like a month ago (and that also lasted no more than an hour).
I'm willing to help provide logs/screen records or whatever necessary to get a better understanding of the issues I brought above.
I'm of course on the latest 2.0.305 version.
Cheers.

I think I can work the exchange out. I'll contact you in private messages so we can initiate the exchange.
As for the usage test, I'm using Spotify to stream music. Then, I set display sleep to 30sec. After it goes to sleep, the playlist continues to play without stuttering. The closest we've come to reproducing your issue is when I'm in SoundCloud, it will pause for half a second when the display goes to sleep. But then, the music picks back up without issue and continue playing.
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@RemixOS_Jason, I thank you for your quick response. But I am very puzzled that the problem can not be reproduce by your team. Have you tried with the keyboard attached and tablet running on battery only?
A quick solution would be to send the tablet that you have that is working without suttering to me and I will send you my tablet, OK?
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