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POST A LINK TO THE FASTEST stable (everyday use) DONUT/HERO ROM
This Thread will list the ROM that is foremost STABLE.. . AND SUPER FAST.
The CURRENT CHAMPION is currently : Dwang
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Here is the reality. MOST ROMs suck in terms of speed. They are slow if you fill your agenda and contacts and add a few widgets. You switch from apps to home you wait, you switch apps wait again, reload etc. Pain in the ass.
So you get the concept, I like speed... AND I want this thread to be about stable super fast ROMS.
I am tired of every rom claiming fast, and blazing and etc.. with the sad reality that the very large majority quite frankly sucks.
Anyone who is using the phone as a real working professional realizes that HERO's suck... haven't found one yet that just eliminates waiting. I just can't deal with waiting 5 seconds when moving out of an app to home or.. into another one..It just doesnt work if I have a call ringing and all the appz bog it down so I can't answer... While some ROMs are trying to be fast.. they still suck if you move a little fast..or have a few things up. That's the reality. And while I appreciate the work of all the devs, I want one thread in here to be about bottom line. Speed & everyday stability everyday use. And I mean not fast right after you flashed it I mean still fast after weeks of use. Many Ron's just come to a creeping halt.. after a while... However a ROM has to be STABLE first (meaning no force closes even after a while) and once it delivers that, then it has to be FAST.
So far I found ONE ROM that is far and beyond above the rest... and it is the current speed champion Dwang (with haykuro spl)
Quite frankly there's nothing that can touch that one. It is stable, has a black theme, bluetooth (don't quite need it though), but is SUPER FAST... meaning no waiting.. it is the only rom, that I consider business-use worthy.. where you can fly through apps, get your stuff done.. it works, does it's thing no matter what you throw at it... leagues above the rest. In fact is is a Rom you can flash onto the Lady's phone and she's gonna love it... which is the ultimate crown for software.
Oh and I am in no way associated with Dwang.. I am just a simple guy who wants a fast and stable donut/hero. If I can get same speed as Dwang in a hero, I'd love to have a hero... anyway.. I'll keep this thread as the speed champion thread (stable). The test infrastructure is a Dream G1.. but others feel free to post your comments.
NOW if any of you guys think you have a rom that works equally well, or you think is faster... please post a link below and I'll give it a shot... I'll run it through its paces with many large calendars tons of contacts and lots of daily use and abuse. However I am not gonna look at test balloons. Test your rom first, make sure it's stable... and most importantly don't go out and throw claims around you can't backup.
So show me what you've got.... For now Dwang is the reigning Speed champion.
I have none of the "issues" you point out with Cyanogen's latest. I'm not going to bother with a link. You should be able to find it.
Edit: Agreed with tazz.
dude, no one cares about what you think of ROM's in development. There's different forums for each phone for a reason. Mods, can we get this moved to general please? This doesn't belong here. Next time, think before you decide to post things that do not belong in development. all it does is just clutter it.
I challenge you to post in the right section.
alec.baldwin has a point, there should be statistics in A part of the Dream forums for everyday usage of the ROM's, I totally agree with him, when I am at home everything is ok with any ROM, but when I am on the road and I am trying to find a location and an IM application is opened and some guy calls me.. everything hangs, even on cyanogen, once it jammed the whole nadroid, black screen, only the notification bar visible and the phone was vibrating, I had to restart it. Anyhow, what's true it's true, this thread doesn't belong here, but it must be somewhere in plain sight. I have tested so far every ROM that has appear in the last two months, and truth be told, I also find dwangs the best, I've been using it like mad, good battery life, extremely snappy, no complaints. And yes, for everyone that keeps saying that the ROM's aren't working well because wipe and format, I ALWAYS repartition my SD when installing a new ROM.
AS ALWAYS, THANKS TO ALL THE DEV's FOR THEYR HARD WORK, remember, this isn't a competition, only statistics, so people can make a good choice without testing everything out there.
When someone says they have a super speedy hero rom, it relates to other PAST HERO ROMS. You cant compare a cupcake rom or a donut rom to a Hero rom. Especially on speed. The sense UI was not meant to run on the G1 nor was it meant to be run on the MT3G. On the other hand, donut and cupcake where both meant to be run on our phones. Thats why they are usually stable, fast, and used on a daily basis while hero roms need completely different frameworks and modifications to even work on our phones. SO, my point is: Hero roms are fast compared to other hero roms being created and they are a WORK IN PROGRESS so let the work progress and stop complaining because we have like 20 devs working FOR FREE just to make people like you and me happy. So Donut will always be faster then Hero. And as of right now, Hero will always be a tad slow, have some loading screens, and lacks bluetooth.
Ok first sorry guys for posting this in the wrong section (admin please move) unless I can (but don't think I can). It took me many hours to find this Rom that delivers - every rom claiming how super fast they are does not make it easy. As newby it takes a while to get the right recovery image, get the right spl, get the hang of it, until you finally get to switchrom or a process that makes testing easier.
Having some XDA stable speed award, or something that would take away all that trial and error and reading through pages and pages of posts to find what is unstable in every rom, having a simple THREAD.. that shows Newbies... look start with XYZ rom. And you have something that is fast, and stable. Then you can go and venture from there. I bet that many get turned off after flashing a hero, or a cyanogen (I first flashed the 4.0... cyanogen and boy what a dog it was, and the hero's are even worse, I was ready to throw it out the window)... all I wanted was something fast and stable, real life worthy. It took me probably about 7 roms to finally find one that RULES.
Also right now dev development has so many dimensions everyone developing in some direction. IT would be nice.. to have a central thread.. if you want speed&stable.. do XYZ. If you want features do ABC... wouldnt it be nice to have an award devs can aspire towards, to get recognition for the work you do...
I just upgraded to a G1 from At&t Tilt. I'm new to the dream threads. I see that you guys are very competitive with your development. That is a good sign because that means that there are hard working devs here. I like
nephron said:
When someone says they have a super speedy hero rom, it relates to other PAST HERO ROMS. You cant compare a cupcake rom or a donut rom to a Hero rom. Especially on speed. ....we have like 20 devs working FOR FREE just to make people like you and me happy. So Donut will always be faster then Hero.
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Yes there are 20 devs working but there should be some structure to the madness. I think there are a lot of people that look for fast and stable and simply can't find it because they are lost in so many releases all claiming fast and stable and the greatest thing since apple pie. All I suggest is a simple thread to help new users here to get a positive experience.
Imagine someone is flashing a dog onto their phone... slows it down like you wouldnt believe it after 2 weeks of use... what do you think how likely are they to come back and give it another shot (unless they're geeks and willing to work through it). Now imagine the same thing.. someone starting with a stock donut.. flashing a dwang1.11 and go like "HOLY SH#T".. I'll bet you a positive first experience will do much more for the community the users and the developers than someone with a bad experience.. (trust me I went through that).
The more users you have the more enthusiasts the better for all of us. My vote is simply to create something that gives positive experiences. Does not have to be me.. but someone who is using the devices in the real world.. with abuse and use, large calendars... contacts, just REAL LIFE, and then puts out some recommendations/awards whatever you wanna call it. Do this and you'll see user numbers grow.
YOU CAN NEVER SAY WHAT IS STABLE/FAST
BECAUSE EVERYBODYS G1 IS DIFFERENT
AND UNLESS EVERYBODY IS RICH ENOUGH TO GET EVERYTHING THE OTHER PERSON HAS..
SWAP SIZE
CLASS 6 SDCARD
32B
SPL RADIO
ETC...
THEN THIS THREAD IS USELESS
WHICH IS WHY YOU SAY CYAN IS NOT STABLE
WHILE I THINK ITS THE FASTEST STABLE DONUT ROM OUT THERE
and another thing... the writting up here ^ is not yelling just really big letters =]
i think you are completely wrong, the new sense hero 1.3r1 with the new bfs and 10mb hack have zero lag
this thread is a waste of bandwith.
reported
this has to be the most pointless thread ive ever seen. flash roms and figure out for yourself which is good or not if you dont like it go back to ota updates.
jf4888 said:
YOU CAN NEVER SAY WHAT IS STABLE/FAST
BECAUSE EVERYBODYS G1 IS DIFFERENT
AND UNLESS EVERYBODY IS RICH ENOUGH TO GET EVERYTHING THE OTHER PERSON HAS..
SWAP SIZE
CLASS 6 SDCARD
32B
SPL RADIO
ETC...
THEN THIS THREAD IS USELESS
WHICH IS WHY YOU SAY CYAN IS NOT STABLE
WHILE I THINK ITS THE FASTEST STABLE DONUT ROM OUT THERE
and another thing... the writting up here ^ is not yelling just really big letters =]
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Everything you jus said was pure stupid! The only thing you really got to pay for is a class 6 card and thats less than 15 bucks online! If you dont got 15 bucks get a job! Cyan right now is not stable im getting so much fc's on his rom & new people find bugs all day on it. Dwang's is the meanest leanest fastest stable donut rom out there! Have you ever tried it?
I think part of the fun is figuring out what works best for your needs. Some people like flash and glits, running tons of widgets, others are very minimal. But he is right. Every Rom on this site "claims to be the fastest".
Takenover83 said:
I think part of the fun is figuring out what works best for your needs. Some people like flash and glits, running tons of widgets, others are very minimal. But he is right. Every Rom on this site "claims to be the fastest".
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No, cyanogen claims his will keep you legal for less. nothing about being the fastest there! xD
Enomther's ROMs are very fast and stable...I flash most the ROMs i find but always go back to his. You are posting in the dev section so most the people here are going to say try them all...when most the users don't want to flash all the time.
I would suggest starting a thread in Dream or Dream Q&A, make a poll, do some benchmarks...Have users pay more attention to the annoyances in their ROMs and post them. All of the stuff you are asking about should be run by the community, not XDA! I agree being a noob and coming to this site can be overwhelming, but at the same time it kills off some of the people that shouldn't be modding their phones anyway.
Maybe make a few threads...one showing the fastest most stable ROM, one for the ROM with the most options, one that is the creeper...maybe build that all into one post and you maintain the first few posts...Hell Google Wave invites are floating around, I am making a wave about tips and tricks on the G1 you could try to do something similar.
damnitput
Thansk for mentioning Enomther's rom looks though he's not on Donut yet.. but as soon as it happens I'll give it a shot.
phamous
Legal for less.. well quite frankly the extra dance about the google stuff is just a hazzle. I see Google's point that when you go and waive the mods stuff around on their market (through the updater) that they'd get upset. But the result now is rather absurd..to backup your own google appz and install them afterwards...(I think that's what the status is). The problem I had with Cyanogen is that everyone was hyping up the 4.0.. something (the last one with the google appz) I installed it on my, my wife and my dad's phone.. and it ended up being a really frustrating experience (they're all heavy users). Now the most current version might have things fixed but I am still scared from that experience.
TakenOver83
yeah I have created a few little benchmarks.. switching from this to that, just certain tasks.. in the future I'll just compare Roms by looking at how much time it takes. Then teh ones that are promising will get immersed into a real life test. It would be awesome to have a benchmark program....
jf4888 and Mgorman
Quite frankly just try Dwang's rom.. . that will make you shut up.
jad011
About sense hero 1.3r1 with the new bfs and 10mb hack that should have zero lag. Well I got exactly that one installed... and I personally thought it sucks. Go to browser.. hit the home button. Or other applications.. you'll get seconds of load times. The other thing that sucked is the widgets.. f.e. weather.. as great as it looks.. I have noticed that I am in an app.. go back to home screen.. go to weather widget and it is reloading... even though before I went into the app it had the data loaded. And generally moving through the rom from apps, to settings, to home, to email to messaging to home... I have found one just waits for 3-5 seconds at a time. And it might be that's just normal for HERO, but with Dwang I don't get that. Sure its a donut.. but if you are a real user, you will care a lot more about speed than you do about a weather animation, or a few more polished things... if it would be a major step in functionality.. ok maybe.. but its not. Its a little bit better.. but a lot slower. If you want a more detailed analysis let me know and i'll boot the hero up again and do some measurments to drive the point home.
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TakenOver83
yeah I have created a few little benchmarks.. switching from this to that, just certain tasks.. in the future I'll just compare Roms by looking at how much time it takes. Then teh ones that are promising will get immersed into a real life test. It would be awesome to have a benchmark program....
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You want a true benchmark test, download Linpack for Android (it's available in most droid markets I believe). It isn't perfect, and it doesn't give a ton of stats, but it does do a pretty legit speed test and you can even save the results to compare against other roms/phones.
I agree with you on the "having a thread that highlights the "fastest", "most bells & whistle", etc"... even if just to tell noobs "start here"... I'm running CM 4.2.3.1 (and yes, it has issues... I've had random reboots, FC's, and plenty of lag) but I've been sticking with CM as it's just easier than flashing a new rom every few days because things start going down hill. Having a thread to go to that would give at least a general idea of how different roms work in the real world (without having to spend my entire saturday reading through thousands of posts, most of which provide no info at all) would be great. But then I'm guessing said thread would fill with useless posts, or at least way too many posts) fairly quickly.
That being said, your better bet is to have a website that is either devoted to (or at least has a section devoted to) this concept. You may have a better chance pitching the idea to the folks at Phandroid.com or AndroidAndMe.com. I'm not saying they'll be 100% behind you, I don't really know any of them, so I can't really say what their interest level would be... but at least on a site like that you can control the "reviews/awards" without getting a billion useless posts making it hard to find the useful info. Just a thought.
yup yup yippee, I used a certain ROM that claimed to be fast and stable and it was just the opposite and also had a bad memory leak. I was running under 20 megs in about 8 hours. there should be an end user grading system, it dosent necessary have to be on xda, but a link somewhere in a sticky in the Dev forum. it could have things like speed, stable, memory, battery, looks, radio, overall quality, etc. on a one to ten scale, maybe a short comment box under 200 words then an overall score that's averaged among the reviews. this will definitely help noobs and devs know what's going on without trying to read over 400+ pages of compliments/complaints and how do I flash this posts.
As much as yall hate the "whats the best ROM" posts, i do find them helpful as i hate wiping & flashing several ROMs, I just want a good one and stick with it. This is just a suggestion, although I think its a good one. Id do it myself if I knew how to make web pages .
oops I just realized muzek pretty much made the same point I did.
Well I have been accused by some of not sharing some tweaks I used to get the results that I posted in a screenshot of a Benchmark in the benchmarking thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5333039&postcount=203
First of all let me say I share with any and everybody, unless I have good reason not to.
I was just testing some things I already suspected as was on our Blackstones. I never really intended to use these tweaks in one of my ROM's. After you read below you will understand why.
I will post all the things you need to get these benchmarks in the next couple of hours. But before I do I want to tell my feelings on this whole obsession with speeds and benchmarks.
[MY STORY]Most of us come from the Blackstone or Diamond so we were all faced with the same problems in trying to run software that was meant for 1gh processor on a device with half as much. It was more important for us to get the speed to have a smoother and quicker HTC Sense. That was then and this is now.
I'm sure I was just like all of you who were blown away with the speed of our HD2 compared to the blackstone or diamond. Now I for one was so pleased to see the HTC Sense running as it should that I felt like it was my birthday.
Now what I see going on here in the benchmark thread etc is a shame IMHO. Cooks sparring back and forth with other cooks and the tester. I understand we all have competitiveness in our nature. But to take it to this limit is unbelievable. Out of all the ROM's I have tried, I have not found one that was in any way slow or gave any feeling of sluggishness. We should all focus more on stability than on a benchmark that shows a few points higher and that is impossible for the user to tell the difference. There are some people who will stop at nothing to be on the top of a benchmark score (not meant at anyone but in general). I had the fastest WM 6.5 ROM's on the blackstone. I very rarely even benchmarked my own ROM as others were doing it and I concentrated on other things. But I didn't get caught up in the chase or race to the fastest.
In Summary I hope all cooks will continue to better there ROM's and make stability the number one concern. It is a shame in my opinion to release a ROM on this device that is not stable due to trying to improve speed.
[/MY STORY]
The rest will come in part 2 after I eat.
Now first let me explain again. I don't recommend using these. Which is why I'm not using them. They cause problems just as has been mentioned by Dutty and others. I posted a screenshot of a ROM I made just as a novelty with all the hooplaa going on in the benchmark thread. I never intended on using them. Later I was accused of not sharing them so here they are. If you want to use them go ahead but I will not as they will cause problems with outlook sync, notes etc. You will also not be able to use the new Manila 2.02 as the device will not boot with storage card. And other instabilities.
PART 2:
Ok for the OEXXIPKernel:
Remove the following:
bmui.nb0
zbmui.nb0
htcfsfilter.dll
For the MSXIPKernel:
Remove the following:
cachefilt.dll
fsreplxfilt.dll
hd.dll
mencfilt.dll
osaxst0.dll
Edit or use the boot.rgu attached
Edit the boot.ms.rgu and change the following: add a "-" sign to remove this key
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\FATFS\Filters\ENCFilt]
"Dll"="mencfilt.dll"
"Order"=dword:5
Also remove this key from the rgu in MSXIPKernel: Add a ";"
;[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Filters\ENCFilt]
"EncryptByDefault"=dword:0
So that's it now I have publicly shared my so called secret tweaks so anyone can use. I hope this is the End of this and now I can go back to my work on my ROM. I didn't think it was worth sharing as it does not work without problems. Be warned I told you it will not work without problems.
Now that I have a clear head on this matter I'm going back to work on my ROM.
this person should be stopped from revealing any secrets.
Fully agree, so far I had no complains on speed.
Stability and battery are for me the most important points.
I cannot judge on the "secret" issue, but I do not understand why not sharing information and help therefore others to improve.
Best regards,
dingolino
bobsbbq said:
I will post all the things you need to get these benchmarks in the next couple of hours.
We should all focus more on stability than on a benchmark that shows a few points higher and that is impossible for the user to tell the difference.
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I really don't see any effects on benchmark numbers and never did test any of my roms using any benchmark tools.
In my opinion what counts most if the device is stable and fast for user and higher numbers in benchmarks don't mean this. If the ROMs are good for everyday use who cares about numbers.
What are these magnificent secrets to be shared ???? I always did this question to myself and will do this question to you...are we clever than MS or HTC to remove XIP components to make the ROM faster?
What do you think that MS or HTC want their products to be slower than we do? No my friends they always want to have their products on top, thus if there are un-needed components in XIP or SYS I'm sure that HTC or MS would have removed them, as HTC is doing in HD2 (removing MS BT stack and some other components from MS SYS).
I hope to be clear on this point. I wanted just to share this because I've read all the posts and negative discussions on benchmarks thread between cookers but didn't want to post there. So guys continue to make your ROMs as everytime and forget about benchmark numbers...we need to collaborate between each other and not flame each other.
I don't know what bobsbbq is going to reveal, but I think those tweaks are no secrets, you can find them on the forum.
Well, maybe he has some secrets to reveal as well.
I'd love to see these tweaks and try them in my rom. I'm really interested to see if they make a difference in real world performance. If they don't, it will be something fun to try anyway
rofl @ " i had the fastest rom on the blackstone"..
i know lots of xip tweaks, i wonder which of the ones i found out and have shared amongsy the chefs wothout such a massive ego youre going to 'reveal'..
wondrr how many of these you understand what they do....
fwiw benchmarks are a worthless pile of crap mostly. the ones people seem to use all the time are based around a really old system, 2003. and are easy to beat with large file cache. which is not the way to have a fast responsive rom.
eagerly awaiting further posts, haven't had a decent laugh since kholks daily soap opera..
fards said:
rofl @ " i had the fastest rom on the blackstone"..
i know lots of xip tweaks, i wonder which of the ones i found out and have shared amongsy the chefs wothout such a massive ego youre going to 'reveal'..
wondrr how many of these you understand what they do....
fwiw benchmarks are a worthless pile of crap mostly. the ones people seem to use all the time are based around a really old system, 2003. and are easy to beat with large file cache. which is not the way to have a fast responsive rom.
eagerly awaiting further posts, haven't had a decent laugh since kholks daily soap opera..
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I'm glad this is comical as this is exactly what it is to me. That why I'm posting it in such a way.
It's not a ego I stating exactly the opposite. But I did have the fastest 6.5 ROM's and not using any of these tweaks.
I agree about the benchmarks which is why I said what I did.
I'm sure some of these have been around I never said I invented them. I was just accused of not sharing them.
Fards I'm not as technical as you are, and not trying to be. I understand the general idea of what these do. But I'm not pretending I know it all as I don't.
Now to update with part 2.
I use some of the tweaks in my ROM (only those of which I'm sure that they don't reduce stability), but I'm not sure whether they make any difference in real world performance. Maybe a bit, cause my ROM is very fast
But anyway, if you use the forum search, you can find most (if not all) of those tweaks. I really wonder why some chefs make such a big deal of them and try to keep them secret. Isn't this community about improving our devices, which can only be done by working together?
Let's see if bobsbbq has any previously unknown tweaks to share, and whether they affect anything other than benchmark scores.
Updated Part 2. I can confirm these don't really add anything other than a number and loss of stability is a certainty.
Bob you did a right thing sharing your hardly tested "secret" knowledge with the community. Keep this spirit.
Same as Bob, I would advise to fellow cookers that it's not a good idea to mess with XIP, because side effects will happen and only numbers will change...nothing more, leave the things how MS and HTC has on XIP part and don't touch them.
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Updated Part 2. I can confirm these don't really add anything other than a number and loss of stability is a certainty.
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Yep, exactly the tweaks I expected. Let me repeat the warning: Those tweaks will reduce the stability of your ROMs. That's not an assumption, that's for sure.
If you want to make good ROMs instead of just being the "benchmark king", then deal with them very very carefully. We all know the HD2 is increadibly fast without tweaks, thus stability should be the number one thing to take care of when making ROMs.
Thanks for clearing things up, Bob.
miri said:
Bob you did a right thing sharing your hardly tested "secret" knowledge with the community. Keep this spirit.
Same as Bob, I would advise to fellow cookers that it's not a good idea to mess with XIP, because side effects will happen and only numbers will change...nothing more, leave the things how MS and HTC has on XIP part and don't touch them.
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Thanks Miri, some people just will not get it. You know I have shared all the time. And I feel it is the right thing to do as others have done for me.
I'm happy with my own little stable ROM now. Not sure if it is too stable or really bad? Several hundred downloads but no comments. I guess no comments are ok.
Yes it's like that
No comments means a stable thing
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Thanks Miri, some people just will not get it. You know I have shared all the time. And I feel it is the right thing to do as others have done for me.
I'm happy with my own little stable ROM now. Not sure if it is too stable or really bad? Several hundred downloads but no comments. I guess no comments are ok.
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I want SPEED!!!!!!
If you want stability use stock rom.
Thanks for every rom cookier that bring us new levels of performance. HD2 are running near to 40% faster with cooked rom than with stock rom, and I am sure people can get more!
Believe me speed is not noticeable, but noticable are the lockups
Thiago Fialho said:
I wan't SPEED!!!!!!
If you wan't stability use stock rom.
Thanks for every rom cookier that bring us new levels of performance. HD2 are running near to 40% faster with cooked rom than with stock rom, and I am sure people can get more!
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Yeah, so many downloads, but littele feedback... I guess people only comment when there's something wrong.
Again, thanks, there's really no benefit in keeping things secret. And the race for benchmarks scores only results in bad ROMs.
@Thiago Fialho
High benchmark scores don't mean high speed. A ROM may have high scores but be totally laggy. Because benchmarks can not measure that lag, and they can not measure stability. If your ROM locks up all the time but has high benchmark scores, would you call this a speedy ROM?
Certainly not.
Firstly (before my question) I'd like to thank everyone on here who shares or helps us all either with providing knowledge & experience or by providing ROM's (i.e. many hours of their time) and especially when I see some of the questions & demands that the various cooks face in their threads.
I cook my own ROM's so that my phone's (and a few friends) get exactly what they want tailored to their requests and try to stay with the latest stable OS / Manila version, other tweaks etc to get best performance and functionality.
Can I ask based on all of your experience which of these tweaks are actually "Safe" and which will cause instability - I'm going to do some testing anyway but advice is always taken ....
Thanks to Bob for opening this up.
Does anyone else want to add any further known XIP tweaks to the public domain with their experience of them ...
Thanks again to all who contribute.
Hi guys,
It's totally nonsense what you guys talk to my opinion.
If you patch XIP good in a appropiate way there's nothing wrong with it and it won't harm the rom at all.
Because you guys keep nagging about this subject but you all love to patch XIP and wanna be first in benchmark I'm realy not in the mood to talk to you
but you are forcing me in a certain way as I'm number one in the bench.
My rom is stable and fast as hell and no one can prove it isn't.
So swollow it and stop this grap, happy cooking
Grtz Leo
freyberry said:
Yep, exactly the tweaks I expected. Let me repeat the warning: Those tweaks will reduce the stability of your ROMs. That's not an assumption, that's for sure.
If you want to make good ROMs instead of just being the "benchmark king", then deal with them very very carefully. We all know the HD2 is increadibly fast without tweaks, thus stability should be the number one thing to take care of when making ROMs.
Thanks for clearing things up, Bob.
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@DeeTee73
It depens on your ROM which tweaks are safe.
You'll have to invest a lot of time and work to find that out.
For me, disabling fsreplxfilt (NOT removing it) for some folders is the only tweak that I consider safe (for my ROMs, yours might be different!).
@Laurentius
Who cares if you're number one in benchmarks?
I could easily be number one, I've invested lots of time in improving the tweaks and testing what is stable and how they increase the scores. Based on the testing, I've only applied some tweaks to keep my ROM stable.
Because I want my ROMs to be stable. I don't care about being the "benchmark king". Benchmark scores are worth nothing when ROM sucks in other areas.
But if it makes you happy to have high benchmark scores, go on... I don't care.
Why is it that independent teams of devs working in their spare time compile roms that are orders of magnitude better than the stock ones. HTC, Samsung, Motorola, you're doing it wrong.
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kvonnegutjr said:
Why is it that independent teams of devs working in their spare time compile roms that are orders of magnitude better than the stock ones. HTC, Samsung, Motorola, you're doing it wrong.
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Because when stock rom is created the carrier along with manufacture add boltware which drag down it heavily. They have to release version that is guaranteed to work with the minimal effort which comes at physical cost to the companies so another reason they don't dash out updates or quick to jump as they need manpower to research which is usually supported by the manufacture.
Where here the open developers has access to newest patch as its updated thus they can amend it. Not only do the dev gets user feedback directly but they can work with the users to test it and deploy it faster correctly any flaws. Since most of the things we do breaks the TOS for carrier/manufacture warranty. We can better utilize the limited resource and translate it in to performance that would suit the user based on there need and not target the mass as an whole. This is where flavor of rom's come in as each dev add their own touch to it adding/subtracting what they think will improve it further, faster. Since its up to the user they can just flash new rom and not have to worry about the company maintaining and updating as another reason we have newer revisions faster as its maintained by the open community.
That answers my question of why the devs are doing it right. But why can't the manufactures pick up on this. To put it lightly the stock os for the mytouch 4g is crap. It hogs battery and it is slow. I guess my question should be why do they keep doing it wrong while devs are a perfect example of how to do it right.
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because they want to make more money.
Edit: and stock OS isnt slow, nor is it crap. its one of the fastest out there atm (i.e. stock quadrant score ~1800-1900).
when you buy a HP or DELL, there are loads of crapwares pre-installed. if you want a clean fast computer, get the win dvd out repartition and do a fresh install. in the smartphone world, phone manufactures tries very hard to not let you do that. the stock mytouch 4g rom from tmobile usa is over 250mb. the cm7 rom is only 80mb but does much more and faster. it's a no brainer.
brianphanz0r said:
because they want to make more money.
Edit: and stock OS isnt slow, nor is it crap. its one of the fastest out there atm (i.e. stock quadrant score ~1800-1900).
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but it is loaded down with bloatware that not everyone wants to use.
And going from stock MySense ROM to a AOSP ROM, there is a huge speed difference. Quadrant Score might not show it, but it's there.
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but it is loaded down with bloatware that not everyone wants to use.
And going from stock MySense ROM to a AOSP ROM, there is a huge speed difference. Quadrant Score might not show it, but it's there.
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I have yet to see it. Not accusing, just also observing. Never use quadrant, but bouncing back and forth between CM7 and stock for weeks has given me cause to believe that it's in the details, like look and feel, that ultimately separates these ROMs. Every ROM I've used has been extremely fast without problems. I just don't see this significant speed increase people are talking about. When I click on the appdrawer in MySense, it immediately opens, I don't know how it can be faster than immediately. Same thing across the entire user experience. At first I thought battery life was better on MySense (with reasonable management), but after extensive testing they are all very similar. I only keep a Mysense backup (that contains all of my old data) and frequently flash other roms for a day or two, in the end I come back to Mysense simply because I'm used to it and I can't find a reason to stick with any other ROM. I use faux's kernels and honestly believe that is where you make the biggest difference in the performance of the phone. Put his kernel of MySense and tell me it's slow. Anyways lots of words to say to each his own, I'll still continue to flash as long and new builds are released.
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I have yet to see it. Not accusing, just also observing. Never use quadrant, but bouncing back and forth between CM7 and stock for weeks has given me cause to believe that it's in the details, like look and feel, that ultimately separates these ROMs. Every ROM I've used has been extremely fast without problems. I just don't see this significant speed increase people are talking about. When I click on the appdrawer in MySense, it immediately opens, I don't know how it can be faster than immediately. Same thing across the entire user experience. At first I thought battery life was better on MySense (with reasonable management), but after extensive testing they are all very similar. I only keep a Mysense backup (that contains all of my old data) and frequently flash other roms for a day or two, in the end I come back to Mysense simply because I'm used to it and I can't find a reason to stick with any other ROM. I use faux's kernels and honestly believe that is where you make the biggest difference in the performance of the phone. Put his kernel of MySense and tell me it's slow. Anyways lots of words to say to each his own, I'll still continue to flash as long and new builds are released.
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why do people argue back and forth just for fun or what? you use whatever roms you like. nobody is forcing nobody to use this or that rom. just live your lives your way.
I'm aware there is bloatware that many people don't want to use. I am also aware that rooting and flashing roms makes your phone faster. That doesn't mean the stock rom is bad or slow.
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but it is loaded down with bloatware that not everyone wants to use.
And going from stock MySense ROM to a AOSP ROM, there is a huge speed difference. Quadrant Score might not show it, but it's there.
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when you buy a HP or DELL, there are loads of crapwares pre-installed. if you want a clean fast computer, get the win dvd out repartition and do a fresh install. in the smartphone world, phone manufactures tries very hard to not let you do that. the stock mytouch 4g rom from tmobile usa is over 250mb. the cm7 rom is only 80mb but does much more and faster. it's a no brainer.
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why do people argue back and forth just for fun or what? you use whatever roms you like. nobody is forcing nobody to use this or that rom. just live your lives your way.
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...this baffles me. I just stated what I thought, and if you notice did so with far less of an endorsement than you. Not really sure why you decided to call me out.
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I'm aware there is bloatware that many people don't want to use. I am also aware that rooting and flashing roms makes your phone faster. That doesn't mean the stock rom is bad or slow.
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[When it comes to Quadrant Scores]
I never implied that the Stock MySense is bad and/or slow, i just stated that it's chuck full o' bloatware. for a "stock" phone the MT4G is one of the fastest phones to date. And yes i am aware that that bloatware doesn't tamper with performance, other than chewing up memory that other apps could be using.
underlining i can get into my phone and dial numbers quicker via AOSP, i can get into the calendar and do what i need to w/o all of the added "features" that HTC seems to feel ones need. The Speed of a OS isn't only measured by a number that Quadrant spits out. It's also measured by how quickly one can access the stuff on the phone.
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underlining i can get into my phone and dial numbers quicker via AOSP, i can get into the calendar and do what i need to w/o all of the added "features" that HTC seems to feel ones need. The Speed of a OS isn't only measured by a number that Quadrant spits out. It's also measured by how quickly one can access the stuff on the phone.
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agreed. it just so happens that I like the added features. I'm one of the few on these forums, but that's why I keep trying out new ROMs, because every ROM brings something different to the table and it's fun to experiment.
Well i was trying to stay on subject by answering the author of this thread and then adding my own 2 cents. I never argued that custom roms are faster or slower than the stock rom. i'm just saying stock rom isn't slow, as much as the author of this thread seems to think.
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[When it comes to Quadrant Scores]
I never implied that the Stock MySense is bad and/or slow, i just stated that it's chuck full o' bloatware. for a "stock" phone the MT4G is one of the fastest phones to date. And yes i am aware that that bloatware doesn't tamper with performance, other than chewing up memory that other apps could be using.
underlining i can get into my phone and dial numbers quicker via AOSP, i can get into the calendar and do what i need to w/o all of the added "features" that HTC seems to feel ones need. The Speed of a OS isn't only measured by a number that Quadrant spits out. It's also measured by how quickly one can access the stuff on the phone.
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It depends on what you deem as better. I tried Ice Glacier and for me it wasn't better at all. Less bloatware yes, but had little bugs here and there that really annoyed me. That's the thing with the stock ROM, it has work as near perfect as possible for the masses since 95% of users will not root their devices and will not install a custom ROM. They're not interested in spending weeks installing ROM patches just to get the latest gingerbread lockscreen. Not everyone is a geek like us
might not make as big of a difference on a top of the line phone like the mt4g but it makes a big difference when used on an older phone like the G1.
plus, its not just about the speed, custom roms have better battery life because they eliminate battery draining apps and services that you dont/need and want as well as allow you to customize the hell out of your phone.
then you got apps like titanium backup that just make certain things so much easier
I just purchased the Galaxy Tab and want to get it rooted with a custom ROM. I'm not new to this, just new to tablets. Does anyone recommend any certain ROM? And if so, what's good/better about it? I don't mind the stock look but I know it can get faster and smoother. If you also wouldn't mind sharing your setups and screenshots that would be helpful.
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tried several roms and my immediate impression is that your actual Tablet model dictates how much choice you have -- the wifi only model has more options available but doesn't enable the 3G or 4G functionality necessary for those Tablets.
HC3.1 is your key: latest stock firmware is KI2 with KI1 overlap (KI1 pda/csc, KI2 modem) check either sammobile or use Check Fus 2.0 -- most developers are just in the process of porting their roms from the older KME structure and/or just getting a Tablet and determining their time commitment to develop a rom for the Tablet as well as their existing phone.
I suspect that a month from now the landscape will be a lot clearer.
Again, custom kernels are restricted to the one from Pershoot (again, check and use the 7500 or 7510 variant as appropriate) as the source from KI1 and KI2 is still so new.
The 10.1 is newly released in several markets: seems the development of programs is still at an early and vibrant stage.
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I just purchased the Galaxy Tab and want to get it rooted with a custom ROM. I'm not new to this, just new to tablets. Does anyone recommend any certain ROM? And if so, what's good/better about it? I don't mind the stock look but I know it can get faster and smoother. If you also wouldn't mind sharing your setups and screenshots that would be helpful.
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Yeah try In Paris ver 5. Really fast and smooth
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I prefer rooted stock with pershoots kernel. In all its touchwiz glory
try overcome series. It is good and fast.
I tried some ROM´s as well and for me the best allrounder was Paris V5 especially a good support in thread.
Foreword to the developers - I think you do a fantastic work, given the circumstances, with no source code available - but I want to be sincere and share my own experience.
After trying ALL available ROM's (first time a month ago and this week for the second time) I concluded that the rooted stock TW (KME) is the best one. I know it doesn't have all the customization and tweaks found on other ROM's (which are of personal taste), but is by far the most stable and smooth ROM you can have on your GT7510.
The current ROM's have many bugs (you can see how frequently they are updated) and they really don't add much performance, if at all.
FC's, color problems, freezing, reboots and lags are some of the problems I experienced with all custom ROM's. The stock ROM is a product that passed a far stricter QA process, so it will certainly have less bugs like these.
I am sure many users in this forum will disagree with me, but this is my real experience.
And, just to be clear - YES! I love my GT7510! It is one of the best tablets today, if not the best!
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Foreword to the developers - I think you do a fantastic work, given the circumstances, with no source code available - but I want to be sincere and share my own experience.
After trying ALL available ROM's (first time a month ago and this week for the second time) I concluded that the rooted stock TW (KME) is the best one. I know it doesn't have all the customization and tweaks found on other ROM's (which are of personal taste), but is by far the most stable and smooth ROM you can have on your GT7510.
The current ROM's have many bugs (you can see how frequently they are updated) and they really don't add much performance, if at all.
FC's, color problems, freezing, reboots and lags are some of the problems I experienced with all custom ROM's. The stock ROM is a product that passed a far stricter QA process, so it will certainly have less bugs like these.
I am sure many users in this forum will disagree with me, but this is my real experience.
And, just to be clear - YES! I love my GT7510! It is one of the best tablets today, if not the best!
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Thank you this is the feedback I was looking for, you explained the points I was curious about.
Why is there no source code? Doesn't this defeat the purpose of Android?
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There's only 4 custom ROMs, and only 2 are regularly updated. There's also an "extreme" stock ROM. I think you could try all three in about a week, and come up with your own opinion.
Welcome.
I've got paris v.4 (now v.5), and it's great.
Towle said:
Thank you this is the feedback I was looking for, you explained the points I was curious about.
Why is there no source code? Doesn't this defeat the purpose of Android?
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Google didn't release the source code for Honeycomb because they didn't want it ported to smartphones.
Now, with the release of Ice Cream Sandwich, we expect the release of the source code, because this is the convergence version between smartphones and tablets.
And this is good news, because yesterday one Italian operator confirmed that the GT 10.1 will receive this upgrade.
And then we will really see how wonderfully capable are the developers in this forum.
In paris V5 all day. +1 added to everyone that recommended it already.
I really like In Paris. I am currently on Bindroid, also fast and smooth and I love the themed status bar.
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Foreword to the developers - I think you do a fantastic work, given the circumstances, with no source code available - but I want to be sincere and share my own experience.
After trying ALL available ROM's (first time a month ago and this week for the second time) I concluded that the rooted stock TW (KME) is the best one. I know it doesn't have all the customization and tweaks found on other ROM's (which are of personal taste), but is by far the most stable and smooth ROM you can have on your GT7510.
The current ROM's have many bugs (you can see how frequently they are updated) and they really don't add much performance, if at all.
FC's, color problems, freezing, reboots and lags are some of the problems I experienced with all custom ROM's. The stock ROM is a product that passed a far stricter QA process, so it will certainly have less bugs like these.
I am sure many users in this forum will disagree with me, but this is my real experience.
And, just to be clear - YES! I love my GT7510! It is one of the best tablets today, if not the best!
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this is what I'm looking for too! link to this rom?
thanks!
nuprotocol said:
this is what I'm looking for too! link to this rom?
thanks!
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Are you looking for a link to the stock ROM? Lol
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Towle said:
Thank you this is the feedback I was looking for, you explained the points I was curious about.
Why is there no source code? Doesn't this defeat the purpose of Android?
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Good feedback here but neglects the other side of the story that the other custom rom are not just about customizations or themes i have tangible benefits in responsiveness and video playback, connectivity to adhoc networks etc so as commented it does not take long to try these out for yourself
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My suggestion would be to try Overcome ROM. I switched from Paris because I prefer the stock honeycomb look and I find it smooth and fluid (not that In Paris isn't also good, just prefer Overcome's look and feel more).
Looking to get a N7 soon when the price drops start. Was wondering what do you guys think the best ROMs out so far are. Looking for silky smooth usage for the most part. Mainly will be used for web surfing, so whatever can make web pages load faster would be nice!
Will be using a different kernel that will allow better battery life as well.
So opinions on best ROMs? Would be nice if you've tried many recent ROM's to provide feedback on
If its mainly for surfing then stay on stock, install aosp browser as chrome is slow and switch to franco kernel.
A rom will not make amything faster only a kernel can. You can turn off animations to speed it up but even stock rom can do that.
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I still want a different ROM. Such as Glazed Jelly bean, Paranoid or whatever they were. They were visually a lot more pleasing, and the ROMs themselves I believe were leaner as well?
Just wanted to see what everyone was using as their main ROM atm.
I really can't say there is a best ROM or even best kernel.. When I was new to Android a few years back I was a flashaholic.. OMG NEW ROM!!! AND IT HAS A COOL TITLE AND SLOGAN! MUST [email protected]!#@!! :laugh: Now a days... I pick a ROM, I pick a kernel that looks like it's frequently updated, well maintained and has an engaging developer and stick with it. There really is no best.. Just the one that suites your needs.. Speed.. Eh.. Unless you're a benchmark or FPS junkie almost any ROM on the N7 is going to fly.. This tablet is a beast..
Just read the threads in development.. Look to see what's up to 4.1.2 standards, see what is frequently updated, see what users feedback is, see how the dev responds to feedback, look at the features... Pick three and try them out.. I guarantee one will trap you and that's the one for you.. It'll just hit you.. A ROM that is the `best' for me may not necessarily be the best ROM for you.
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I really can't say there is a best ROM or even best kernel.. When I was new to Android a few years back I was a flashaholic.. OMG NEW ROM!!! AND IT HAS A COOL TITLE AND SLOGAN! MUST [email protected]!#@!! :laugh: Now a days... I pick a ROM, I pick a kernel that looks like it's frequently updated, well maintained and has an engaging developer and stick with it. There really is no best.. Just the one that suites your needs.. Speed.. Eh.. Unless you're a benchmark or FPS junkie almost any ROM on the N7 is going to fly.. This tablet is a beast..
Just read the threads in development.. Look to see what's up to 4.1.2 standards, see what is frequently updated, see what users feedback is, see how the dev responds to feedback, look at the features... Pick three and try them out.. I guarantee one will trap you and that's the one for you.. It'll just hit you.. A ROM that is the `best' for me may not necessarily be the best ROM for you.
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This is great advice! I've lost count of how many ROMs have been on my n7 now. I settle on one for a week or so, then get itchy feet and try another ;p Grass is always greener and all that!
I recommend stock rom ，stablet
I am using paranoid android. The screen looks much bigger in tablet mode + the option of expanded desktop. Combined with franco kernel its a winner. I use my device for gaming and now franco has gpu freq change on the fly so it suits me well.
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I'm running cyanogenmod with Franco kernel, after having a lot of trouble from another rom. My advice is to make sure a rom has been out a a day or so and read the thread to make sure there are no major problems.
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Guys, isnt there a similar thread already - > Which ROM are you running?
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There is no "best" ROM for a individual user. Different ROMs offer pro and cons, so it best for users to read the Development threads and make the own informed decision based on there needs. People often get a little over passionate about there preferred ROM, so these type of threads are best closed before the flames begin. The only exception to this is poll threads to determine the number of users using different ROMs.