Well I have been accused by some of not sharing some tweaks I used to get the results that I posted in a screenshot of a Benchmark in the benchmarking thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5333039&postcount=203
First of all let me say I share with any and everybody, unless I have good reason not to.
I was just testing some things I already suspected as was on our Blackstones. I never really intended to use these tweaks in one of my ROM's. After you read below you will understand why.
I will post all the things you need to get these benchmarks in the next couple of hours. But before I do I want to tell my feelings on this whole obsession with speeds and benchmarks.
[MY STORY]Most of us come from the Blackstone or Diamond so we were all faced with the same problems in trying to run software that was meant for 1gh processor on a device with half as much. It was more important for us to get the speed to have a smoother and quicker HTC Sense. That was then and this is now.
I'm sure I was just like all of you who were blown away with the speed of our HD2 compared to the blackstone or diamond. Now I for one was so pleased to see the HTC Sense running as it should that I felt like it was my birthday.
Now what I see going on here in the benchmark thread etc is a shame IMHO. Cooks sparring back and forth with other cooks and the tester. I understand we all have competitiveness in our nature. But to take it to this limit is unbelievable. Out of all the ROM's I have tried, I have not found one that was in any way slow or gave any feeling of sluggishness. We should all focus more on stability than on a benchmark that shows a few points higher and that is impossible for the user to tell the difference. There are some people who will stop at nothing to be on the top of a benchmark score (not meant at anyone but in general). I had the fastest WM 6.5 ROM's on the blackstone. I very rarely even benchmarked my own ROM as others were doing it and I concentrated on other things. But I didn't get caught up in the chase or race to the fastest.
In Summary I hope all cooks will continue to better there ROM's and make stability the number one concern. It is a shame in my opinion to release a ROM on this device that is not stable due to trying to improve speed.
[/MY STORY]
The rest will come in part 2 after I eat.
Now first let me explain again. I don't recommend using these. Which is why I'm not using them. They cause problems just as has been mentioned by Dutty and others. I posted a screenshot of a ROM I made just as a novelty with all the hooplaa going on in the benchmark thread. I never intended on using them. Later I was accused of not sharing them so here they are. If you want to use them go ahead but I will not as they will cause problems with outlook sync, notes etc. You will also not be able to use the new Manila 2.02 as the device will not boot with storage card. And other instabilities.
PART 2:
Ok for the OEXXIPKernel:
Remove the following:
bmui.nb0
zbmui.nb0
htcfsfilter.dll
For the MSXIPKernel:
Remove the following:
cachefilt.dll
fsreplxfilt.dll
hd.dll
mencfilt.dll
osaxst0.dll
Edit or use the boot.rgu attached
Edit the boot.ms.rgu and change the following: add a "-" sign to remove this key
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\FATFS\Filters\ENCFilt]
"Dll"="mencfilt.dll"
"Order"=dword:5
Also remove this key from the rgu in MSXIPKernel: Add a ";"
;[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Filters\ENCFilt]
"EncryptByDefault"=dword:0
So that's it now I have publicly shared my so called secret tweaks so anyone can use. I hope this is the End of this and now I can go back to my work on my ROM. I didn't think it was worth sharing as it does not work without problems. Be warned I told you it will not work without problems.
Now that I have a clear head on this matter I'm going back to work on my ROM.
this person should be stopped from revealing any secrets.
Fully agree, so far I had no complains on speed.
Stability and battery are for me the most important points.
I cannot judge on the "secret" issue, but I do not understand why not sharing information and help therefore others to improve.
Best regards,
dingolino
bobsbbq said:
I will post all the things you need to get these benchmarks in the next couple of hours.
We should all focus more on stability than on a benchmark that shows a few points higher and that is impossible for the user to tell the difference.
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I really don't see any effects on benchmark numbers and never did test any of my roms using any benchmark tools.
In my opinion what counts most if the device is stable and fast for user and higher numbers in benchmarks don't mean this. If the ROMs are good for everyday use who cares about numbers.
What are these magnificent secrets to be shared ???? I always did this question to myself and will do this question to you...are we clever than MS or HTC to remove XIP components to make the ROM faster?
What do you think that MS or HTC want their products to be slower than we do? No my friends they always want to have their products on top, thus if there are un-needed components in XIP or SYS I'm sure that HTC or MS would have removed them, as HTC is doing in HD2 (removing MS BT stack and some other components from MS SYS).
I hope to be clear on this point. I wanted just to share this because I've read all the posts and negative discussions on benchmarks thread between cookers but didn't want to post there. So guys continue to make your ROMs as everytime and forget about benchmark numbers...we need to collaborate between each other and not flame each other.
I don't know what bobsbbq is going to reveal, but I think those tweaks are no secrets, you can find them on the forum.
Well, maybe he has some secrets to reveal as well.
I'd love to see these tweaks and try them in my rom. I'm really interested to see if they make a difference in real world performance. If they don't, it will be something fun to try anyway
rofl @ " i had the fastest rom on the blackstone"..
i know lots of xip tweaks, i wonder which of the ones i found out and have shared amongsy the chefs wothout such a massive ego youre going to 'reveal'..
wondrr how many of these you understand what they do....
fwiw benchmarks are a worthless pile of crap mostly. the ones people seem to use all the time are based around a really old system, 2003. and are easy to beat with large file cache. which is not the way to have a fast responsive rom.
eagerly awaiting further posts, haven't had a decent laugh since kholks daily soap opera..
fards said:
rofl @ " i had the fastest rom on the blackstone"..
i know lots of xip tweaks, i wonder which of the ones i found out and have shared amongsy the chefs wothout such a massive ego youre going to 'reveal'..
wondrr how many of these you understand what they do....
fwiw benchmarks are a worthless pile of crap mostly. the ones people seem to use all the time are based around a really old system, 2003. and are easy to beat with large file cache. which is not the way to have a fast responsive rom.
eagerly awaiting further posts, haven't had a decent laugh since kholks daily soap opera..
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I'm glad this is comical as this is exactly what it is to me. That why I'm posting it in such a way.
It's not a ego I stating exactly the opposite. But I did have the fastest 6.5 ROM's and not using any of these tweaks.
I agree about the benchmarks which is why I said what I did.
I'm sure some of these have been around I never said I invented them. I was just accused of not sharing them.
Fards I'm not as technical as you are, and not trying to be. I understand the general idea of what these do. But I'm not pretending I know it all as I don't.
Now to update with part 2.
I use some of the tweaks in my ROM (only those of which I'm sure that they don't reduce stability), but I'm not sure whether they make any difference in real world performance. Maybe a bit, cause my ROM is very fast
But anyway, if you use the forum search, you can find most (if not all) of those tweaks. I really wonder why some chefs make such a big deal of them and try to keep them secret. Isn't this community about improving our devices, which can only be done by working together?
Let's see if bobsbbq has any previously unknown tweaks to share, and whether they affect anything other than benchmark scores.
Updated Part 2. I can confirm these don't really add anything other than a number and loss of stability is a certainty.
Bob you did a right thing sharing your hardly tested "secret" knowledge with the community. Keep this spirit.
Same as Bob, I would advise to fellow cookers that it's not a good idea to mess with XIP, because side effects will happen and only numbers will change...nothing more, leave the things how MS and HTC has on XIP part and don't touch them.
bobsbbq said:
Updated Part 2. I can confirm these don't really add anything other than a number and loss of stability is a certainty.
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Yep, exactly the tweaks I expected. Let me repeat the warning: Those tweaks will reduce the stability of your ROMs. That's not an assumption, that's for sure.
If you want to make good ROMs instead of just being the "benchmark king", then deal with them very very carefully. We all know the HD2 is increadibly fast without tweaks, thus stability should be the number one thing to take care of when making ROMs.
Thanks for clearing things up, Bob.
miri said:
Bob you did a right thing sharing your hardly tested "secret" knowledge with the community. Keep this spirit.
Same as Bob, I would advise to fellow cookers that it's not a good idea to mess with XIP, because side effects will happen and only numbers will change...nothing more, leave the things how MS and HTC has on XIP part and don't touch them.
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Thanks Miri, some people just will not get it. You know I have shared all the time. And I feel it is the right thing to do as others have done for me.
I'm happy with my own little stable ROM now. Not sure if it is too stable or really bad? Several hundred downloads but no comments. I guess no comments are ok.
Yes it's like that
No comments means a stable thing
bobsbbq said:
Thanks Miri, some people just will not get it. You know I have shared all the time. And I feel it is the right thing to do as others have done for me.
I'm happy with my own little stable ROM now. Not sure if it is too stable or really bad? Several hundred downloads but no comments. I guess no comments are ok.
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I want SPEED!!!!!!
If you want stability use stock rom.
Thanks for every rom cookier that bring us new levels of performance. HD2 are running near to 40% faster with cooked rom than with stock rom, and I am sure people can get more!
Believe me speed is not noticeable, but noticable are the lockups
Thiago Fialho said:
I wan't SPEED!!!!!!
If you wan't stability use stock rom.
Thanks for every rom cookier that bring us new levels of performance. HD2 are running near to 40% faster with cooked rom than with stock rom, and I am sure people can get more!
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Yeah, so many downloads, but littele feedback... I guess people only comment when there's something wrong.
Again, thanks, there's really no benefit in keeping things secret. And the race for benchmarks scores only results in bad ROMs.
@Thiago Fialho
High benchmark scores don't mean high speed. A ROM may have high scores but be totally laggy. Because benchmarks can not measure that lag, and they can not measure stability. If your ROM locks up all the time but has high benchmark scores, would you call this a speedy ROM?
Certainly not.
Firstly (before my question) I'd like to thank everyone on here who shares or helps us all either with providing knowledge & experience or by providing ROM's (i.e. many hours of their time) and especially when I see some of the questions & demands that the various cooks face in their threads.
I cook my own ROM's so that my phone's (and a few friends) get exactly what they want tailored to their requests and try to stay with the latest stable OS / Manila version, other tweaks etc to get best performance and functionality.
Can I ask based on all of your experience which of these tweaks are actually "Safe" and which will cause instability - I'm going to do some testing anyway but advice is always taken ....
Thanks to Bob for opening this up.
Does anyone else want to add any further known XIP tweaks to the public domain with their experience of them ...
Thanks again to all who contribute.
Hi guys,
It's totally nonsense what you guys talk to my opinion.
If you patch XIP good in a appropiate way there's nothing wrong with it and it won't harm the rom at all.
Because you guys keep nagging about this subject but you all love to patch XIP and wanna be first in benchmark I'm realy not in the mood to talk to you
but you are forcing me in a certain way as I'm number one in the bench.
My rom is stable and fast as hell and no one can prove it isn't.
So swollow it and stop this grap, happy cooking
Grtz Leo
freyberry said:
Yep, exactly the tweaks I expected. Let me repeat the warning: Those tweaks will reduce the stability of your ROMs. That's not an assumption, that's for sure.
If you want to make good ROMs instead of just being the "benchmark king", then deal with them very very carefully. We all know the HD2 is increadibly fast without tweaks, thus stability should be the number one thing to take care of when making ROMs.
Thanks for clearing things up, Bob.
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@DeeTee73
It depens on your ROM which tweaks are safe.
You'll have to invest a lot of time and work to find that out.
For me, disabling fsreplxfilt (NOT removing it) for some folders is the only tweak that I consider safe (for my ROMs, yours might be different!).
@Laurentius
Who cares if you're number one in benchmarks?
I could easily be number one, I've invested lots of time in improving the tweaks and testing what is stable and how they increase the scores. Based on the testing, I've only applied some tweaks to keep my ROM stable.
Because I want my ROMs to be stable. I don't care about being the "benchmark king". Benchmark scores are worth nothing when ROM sucks in other areas.
But if it makes you happy to have high benchmark scores, go on... I don't care.
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POST A LINK TO THE FASTEST stable (everyday use) DONUT/HERO ROM
This Thread will list the ROM that is foremost STABLE.. . AND SUPER FAST.
The CURRENT CHAMPION is currently : Dwang
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Here is the reality. MOST ROMs suck in terms of speed. They are slow if you fill your agenda and contacts and add a few widgets. You switch from apps to home you wait, you switch apps wait again, reload etc. Pain in the ass.
So you get the concept, I like speed... AND I want this thread to be about stable super fast ROMS.
I am tired of every rom claiming fast, and blazing and etc.. with the sad reality that the very large majority quite frankly sucks.
Anyone who is using the phone as a real working professional realizes that HERO's suck... haven't found one yet that just eliminates waiting. I just can't deal with waiting 5 seconds when moving out of an app to home or.. into another one..It just doesnt work if I have a call ringing and all the appz bog it down so I can't answer... While some ROMs are trying to be fast.. they still suck if you move a little fast..or have a few things up. That's the reality. And while I appreciate the work of all the devs, I want one thread in here to be about bottom line. Speed & everyday stability everyday use. And I mean not fast right after you flashed it I mean still fast after weeks of use. Many Ron's just come to a creeping halt.. after a while... However a ROM has to be STABLE first (meaning no force closes even after a while) and once it delivers that, then it has to be FAST.
So far I found ONE ROM that is far and beyond above the rest... and it is the current speed champion Dwang (with haykuro spl)
Quite frankly there's nothing that can touch that one. It is stable, has a black theme, bluetooth (don't quite need it though), but is SUPER FAST... meaning no waiting.. it is the only rom, that I consider business-use worthy.. where you can fly through apps, get your stuff done.. it works, does it's thing no matter what you throw at it... leagues above the rest. In fact is is a Rom you can flash onto the Lady's phone and she's gonna love it... which is the ultimate crown for software.
Oh and I am in no way associated with Dwang.. I am just a simple guy who wants a fast and stable donut/hero. If I can get same speed as Dwang in a hero, I'd love to have a hero... anyway.. I'll keep this thread as the speed champion thread (stable). The test infrastructure is a Dream G1.. but others feel free to post your comments.
NOW if any of you guys think you have a rom that works equally well, or you think is faster... please post a link below and I'll give it a shot... I'll run it through its paces with many large calendars tons of contacts and lots of daily use and abuse. However I am not gonna look at test balloons. Test your rom first, make sure it's stable... and most importantly don't go out and throw claims around you can't backup.
So show me what you've got.... For now Dwang is the reigning Speed champion.
I have none of the "issues" you point out with Cyanogen's latest. I'm not going to bother with a link. You should be able to find it.
Edit: Agreed with tazz.
dude, no one cares about what you think of ROM's in development. There's different forums for each phone for a reason. Mods, can we get this moved to general please? This doesn't belong here. Next time, think before you decide to post things that do not belong in development. all it does is just clutter it.
I challenge you to post in the right section.
alec.baldwin has a point, there should be statistics in A part of the Dream forums for everyday usage of the ROM's, I totally agree with him, when I am at home everything is ok with any ROM, but when I am on the road and I am trying to find a location and an IM application is opened and some guy calls me.. everything hangs, even on cyanogen, once it jammed the whole nadroid, black screen, only the notification bar visible and the phone was vibrating, I had to restart it. Anyhow, what's true it's true, this thread doesn't belong here, but it must be somewhere in plain sight. I have tested so far every ROM that has appear in the last two months, and truth be told, I also find dwangs the best, I've been using it like mad, good battery life, extremely snappy, no complaints. And yes, for everyone that keeps saying that the ROM's aren't working well because wipe and format, I ALWAYS repartition my SD when installing a new ROM.
AS ALWAYS, THANKS TO ALL THE DEV's FOR THEYR HARD WORK, remember, this isn't a competition, only statistics, so people can make a good choice without testing everything out there.
When someone says they have a super speedy hero rom, it relates to other PAST HERO ROMS. You cant compare a cupcake rom or a donut rom to a Hero rom. Especially on speed. The sense UI was not meant to run on the G1 nor was it meant to be run on the MT3G. On the other hand, donut and cupcake where both meant to be run on our phones. Thats why they are usually stable, fast, and used on a daily basis while hero roms need completely different frameworks and modifications to even work on our phones. SO, my point is: Hero roms are fast compared to other hero roms being created and they are a WORK IN PROGRESS so let the work progress and stop complaining because we have like 20 devs working FOR FREE just to make people like you and me happy. So Donut will always be faster then Hero. And as of right now, Hero will always be a tad slow, have some loading screens, and lacks bluetooth.
Ok first sorry guys for posting this in the wrong section (admin please move) unless I can (but don't think I can). It took me many hours to find this Rom that delivers - every rom claiming how super fast they are does not make it easy. As newby it takes a while to get the right recovery image, get the right spl, get the hang of it, until you finally get to switchrom or a process that makes testing easier.
Having some XDA stable speed award, or something that would take away all that trial and error and reading through pages and pages of posts to find what is unstable in every rom, having a simple THREAD.. that shows Newbies... look start with XYZ rom. And you have something that is fast, and stable. Then you can go and venture from there. I bet that many get turned off after flashing a hero, or a cyanogen (I first flashed the 4.0... cyanogen and boy what a dog it was, and the hero's are even worse, I was ready to throw it out the window)... all I wanted was something fast and stable, real life worthy. It took me probably about 7 roms to finally find one that RULES.
Also right now dev development has so many dimensions everyone developing in some direction. IT would be nice.. to have a central thread.. if you want speed&stable.. do XYZ. If you want features do ABC... wouldnt it be nice to have an award devs can aspire towards, to get recognition for the work you do...
I just upgraded to a G1 from At&t Tilt. I'm new to the dream threads. I see that you guys are very competitive with your development. That is a good sign because that means that there are hard working devs here. I like
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When someone says they have a super speedy hero rom, it relates to other PAST HERO ROMS. You cant compare a cupcake rom or a donut rom to a Hero rom. Especially on speed. ....we have like 20 devs working FOR FREE just to make people like you and me happy. So Donut will always be faster then Hero.
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Yes there are 20 devs working but there should be some structure to the madness. I think there are a lot of people that look for fast and stable and simply can't find it because they are lost in so many releases all claiming fast and stable and the greatest thing since apple pie. All I suggest is a simple thread to help new users here to get a positive experience.
Imagine someone is flashing a dog onto their phone... slows it down like you wouldnt believe it after 2 weeks of use... what do you think how likely are they to come back and give it another shot (unless they're geeks and willing to work through it). Now imagine the same thing.. someone starting with a stock donut.. flashing a dwang1.11 and go like "HOLY SH#T".. I'll bet you a positive first experience will do much more for the community the users and the developers than someone with a bad experience.. (trust me I went through that).
The more users you have the more enthusiasts the better for all of us. My vote is simply to create something that gives positive experiences. Does not have to be me.. but someone who is using the devices in the real world.. with abuse and use, large calendars... contacts, just REAL LIFE, and then puts out some recommendations/awards whatever you wanna call it. Do this and you'll see user numbers grow.
YOU CAN NEVER SAY WHAT IS STABLE/FAST
BECAUSE EVERYBODYS G1 IS DIFFERENT
AND UNLESS EVERYBODY IS RICH ENOUGH TO GET EVERYTHING THE OTHER PERSON HAS..
SWAP SIZE
CLASS 6 SDCARD
32B
SPL RADIO
ETC...
THEN THIS THREAD IS USELESS
WHICH IS WHY YOU SAY CYAN IS NOT STABLE
WHILE I THINK ITS THE FASTEST STABLE DONUT ROM OUT THERE
and another thing... the writting up here ^ is not yelling just really big letters =]
i think you are completely wrong, the new sense hero 1.3r1 with the new bfs and 10mb hack have zero lag
this thread is a waste of bandwith.
reported
this has to be the most pointless thread ive ever seen. flash roms and figure out for yourself which is good or not if you dont like it go back to ota updates.
jf4888 said:
YOU CAN NEVER SAY WHAT IS STABLE/FAST
BECAUSE EVERYBODYS G1 IS DIFFERENT
AND UNLESS EVERYBODY IS RICH ENOUGH TO GET EVERYTHING THE OTHER PERSON HAS..
SWAP SIZE
CLASS 6 SDCARD
32B
SPL RADIO
ETC...
THEN THIS THREAD IS USELESS
WHICH IS WHY YOU SAY CYAN IS NOT STABLE
WHILE I THINK ITS THE FASTEST STABLE DONUT ROM OUT THERE
and another thing... the writting up here ^ is not yelling just really big letters =]
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Everything you jus said was pure stupid! The only thing you really got to pay for is a class 6 card and thats less than 15 bucks online! If you dont got 15 bucks get a job! Cyan right now is not stable im getting so much fc's on his rom & new people find bugs all day on it. Dwang's is the meanest leanest fastest stable donut rom out there! Have you ever tried it?
I think part of the fun is figuring out what works best for your needs. Some people like flash and glits, running tons of widgets, others are very minimal. But he is right. Every Rom on this site "claims to be the fastest".
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I think part of the fun is figuring out what works best for your needs. Some people like flash and glits, running tons of widgets, others are very minimal. But he is right. Every Rom on this site "claims to be the fastest".
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No, cyanogen claims his will keep you legal for less. nothing about being the fastest there! xD
Enomther's ROMs are very fast and stable...I flash most the ROMs i find but always go back to his. You are posting in the dev section so most the people here are going to say try them all...when most the users don't want to flash all the time.
I would suggest starting a thread in Dream or Dream Q&A, make a poll, do some benchmarks...Have users pay more attention to the annoyances in their ROMs and post them. All of the stuff you are asking about should be run by the community, not XDA! I agree being a noob and coming to this site can be overwhelming, but at the same time it kills off some of the people that shouldn't be modding their phones anyway.
Maybe make a few threads...one showing the fastest most stable ROM, one for the ROM with the most options, one that is the creeper...maybe build that all into one post and you maintain the first few posts...Hell Google Wave invites are floating around, I am making a wave about tips and tricks on the G1 you could try to do something similar.
damnitput
Thansk for mentioning Enomther's rom looks though he's not on Donut yet.. but as soon as it happens I'll give it a shot.
phamous
Legal for less.. well quite frankly the extra dance about the google stuff is just a hazzle. I see Google's point that when you go and waive the mods stuff around on their market (through the updater) that they'd get upset. But the result now is rather absurd..to backup your own google appz and install them afterwards...(I think that's what the status is). The problem I had with Cyanogen is that everyone was hyping up the 4.0.. something (the last one with the google appz) I installed it on my, my wife and my dad's phone.. and it ended up being a really frustrating experience (they're all heavy users). Now the most current version might have things fixed but I am still scared from that experience.
TakenOver83
yeah I have created a few little benchmarks.. switching from this to that, just certain tasks.. in the future I'll just compare Roms by looking at how much time it takes. Then teh ones that are promising will get immersed into a real life test. It would be awesome to have a benchmark program....
jf4888 and Mgorman
Quite frankly just try Dwang's rom.. . that will make you shut up.
jad011
About sense hero 1.3r1 with the new bfs and 10mb hack that should have zero lag. Well I got exactly that one installed... and I personally thought it sucks. Go to browser.. hit the home button. Or other applications.. you'll get seconds of load times. The other thing that sucked is the widgets.. f.e. weather.. as great as it looks.. I have noticed that I am in an app.. go back to home screen.. go to weather widget and it is reloading... even though before I went into the app it had the data loaded. And generally moving through the rom from apps, to settings, to home, to email to messaging to home... I have found one just waits for 3-5 seconds at a time. And it might be that's just normal for HERO, but with Dwang I don't get that. Sure its a donut.. but if you are a real user, you will care a lot more about speed than you do about a weather animation, or a few more polished things... if it would be a major step in functionality.. ok maybe.. but its not. Its a little bit better.. but a lot slower. If you want a more detailed analysis let me know and i'll boot the hero up again and do some measurments to drive the point home.
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TakenOver83
yeah I have created a few little benchmarks.. switching from this to that, just certain tasks.. in the future I'll just compare Roms by looking at how much time it takes. Then teh ones that are promising will get immersed into a real life test. It would be awesome to have a benchmark program....
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You want a true benchmark test, download Linpack for Android (it's available in most droid markets I believe). It isn't perfect, and it doesn't give a ton of stats, but it does do a pretty legit speed test and you can even save the results to compare against other roms/phones.
I agree with you on the "having a thread that highlights the "fastest", "most bells & whistle", etc"... even if just to tell noobs "start here"... I'm running CM 4.2.3.1 (and yes, it has issues... I've had random reboots, FC's, and plenty of lag) but I've been sticking with CM as it's just easier than flashing a new rom every few days because things start going down hill. Having a thread to go to that would give at least a general idea of how different roms work in the real world (without having to spend my entire saturday reading through thousands of posts, most of which provide no info at all) would be great. But then I'm guessing said thread would fill with useless posts, or at least way too many posts) fairly quickly.
That being said, your better bet is to have a website that is either devoted to (or at least has a section devoted to) this concept. You may have a better chance pitching the idea to the folks at Phandroid.com or AndroidAndMe.com. I'm not saying they'll be 100% behind you, I don't really know any of them, so I can't really say what their interest level would be... but at least on a site like that you can control the "reviews/awards" without getting a billion useless posts making it hard to find the useful info. Just a thought.
yup yup yippee, I used a certain ROM that claimed to be fast and stable and it was just the opposite and also had a bad memory leak. I was running under 20 megs in about 8 hours. there should be an end user grading system, it dosent necessary have to be on xda, but a link somewhere in a sticky in the Dev forum. it could have things like speed, stable, memory, battery, looks, radio, overall quality, etc. on a one to ten scale, maybe a short comment box under 200 words then an overall score that's averaged among the reviews. this will definitely help noobs and devs know what's going on without trying to read over 400+ pages of compliments/complaints and how do I flash this posts.
As much as yall hate the "whats the best ROM" posts, i do find them helpful as i hate wiping & flashing several ROMs, I just want a good one and stick with it. This is just a suggestion, although I think its a good one. Id do it myself if I knew how to make web pages .
oops I just realized muzek pretty much made the same point I did.
HI Guys,
I am sure you guys have been wondering where I went to with your money .
Well sorry, I do not visit the TG01 forum on a daily bases but if I remember it, I do.
Do not worry, I never left you guys, I made a promise to help, and I am.
Well here is what we have so far:
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ETA: I think within 2 weeks, but that's just me!
about t01a
wen,do you think the japanese version developing ?
where is the list of bugs to be addressed please? I wold like to have at look
bird_9527 said:
wen,do you think the japanese version developing ?
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T01A Rom may be have a little bit difference from TG01 Rom ,so we need cedesmith release a tgtool version for japanese rom or need cedesmith release source code of tgtool and some one can modify it ,after that we can use it for japanese rom.
The japanese rom file has a tsd (toshiba docomo) extension not tsw(toshiba worldwide) extension. http://update.toshibamobile.com/upda..._SP50_wm65.exe
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where is the list of bugs to be addressed please? I wold like to have at look
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There are you have BUUGGS post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=631509
to be fair toshiba have resolved some of our bugs with the new release....
if someone could make a debranded & unlocked std ROM in english I think 80% of people would be happy......
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to be fair toshiba have resolved some of our bugs with the new release....
if someone could make a debranded & unlocked std ROM in english I think 80% of people would be happy......
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Yes please !
But i'm sure some optimizations could be done!
Moreover, it would be so great to have sense ui and all htc's programs working on our phone!
We just have to wait now!
as many bugs had been fixed by toshiba, the main purpuse of an cooked rom is an newer build of windows mobile. wm6.5.3 or WM6.5.5.
Finding a way to use htc g-sensor softs on the tg01 would be great too.
What do we expect from a cooked ROM?
jeams said:
as many bugs had been fixed by toshiba, the main purpuse of an cooked rom is an newer build of windows mobile. wm6.5.3 or WM6.5.5.
Finding a way to use htc g-sensor softs on the tg01 would be great too.
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I start:
I agree with the htc g-sensor emulation plus:
- Null (or leave as a option) the silly limitations on USB and Wifi, when battery is under 20%
- Null (or leave as an option) the screen off when calling
- Add essential camera features as White balance
What do you think?
the best thing would be if there are two kind of rom....
one fully equiped and one clean rom....
the fully equiped rom should have sense and other htc apps and some little tweaks like 1ghz or hd2 driver patch...also we have to focus the ram usage and the free memory....i think that are the major things..
the clear version have to be very very fast and with a lot of free ram!!!
also i think we could remove all unusefull toshiba stuff like wifi-app or the stripes menu....no one uses these apps!!!
20% lbattery imitation needs totally scapped i agree there
adzman808 said:
to be fair toshiba have resolved some of our bugs with the new release....
if someone could make a debranded & unlocked std ROM in english I think 80% of people would be happy......
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there are still problems in connection to pre-2005 BMW Bluetooth ULF - car kit
Pere said:
- Null (or leave as a option) the silly limitations on USB and Wifi, when battery is under 20%
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+bluetooth cannot be started if the battery is under 20%
Wen(WM) said:
HI Guys,
I am sure you guys have been wondering where I went to with your money .
Well sorry, I do not visit the TG01 forum on a daily bases but if I remember it, I do.
Do not worry, I never left you guys, I made a promise to help, and I am.
Well here is what we have so far:
ROM Making Tool Complete Thanks Cedesmith
Donations Complete
Test Device Paid & Complete
ROM In Progress, Awaiting Device
ROM
Required Done:
Bugs
Speed unlock
Better look
Leo ROM
ETA: Uknown
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Test device, Paid and complete, so um, you have a device, why no rom yet? Unless you don't have a device, in which case, you have been paid and do not have a device, no?
InsertNameHere said:
Test device, Paid and complete, so um, you have a device, why no rom yet? Unless you don't have a device, in which case, you have been paid and do not have a device, no?
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be patient
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it would be amazing if we could have a clean, brand free ROM from which to build our personal apps & settings.
i can see the benefits of many different things people are asking, but we all want so much & we all want different things
so if at all possible it would surely be best all round if the first ROM to be produced was pretty much the same as the latest toshiba release, but with zero branding & pre-installed apps & as much RAM & capacity left free as possible
please don't think i want to dampen the enthusiasm of those of you skilled & knowledgable enough to make these ROMs a reality, nor am i trying to be scornful to those of you who have made specific requests for widgets, features & applications
the ROM idea pretty much started out of the call quality issue, that was kinda our hook 'which cook was gordon ramsey (man) enough to fix the flawed genius of the TG'
well sorry but that cook works for Toshiba - the sound is fixed
so now rather than a problem we want fixed, we want a blank canvass of a ROM to make our own
basic noob's like me want a stripped out device with no clutter
you gamers want rotation & motion senors
you htc-afficcionados want your fav htc features
but we can't all have everything unless we all get the same template of a ROM to begin our own journeys into customization
also... well... i guess the cooks are used to it.... but it can't be a big motivation to hurry up having dozens of people all asking for different things...
cheers
adzman808 said:
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it would be amazing if we could have a clean, brand free ROM from which to build our personal apps & settings.
i can see the benefits of many different things people are asking, but we all want so much & we all want different things
so if at all possible it would surely be best all round if the first ROM to be produced was pretty much the same as the latest toshiba release, but with zero branding & pre-installed apps & as much RAM & capacity left free as possible
please don't think i want to dampen the enthusiasm of those of you skilled & knowledgable enough to make these ROMs a reality, nor am i trying to be scornful to those of you who have made specific requests for widgets, features & applications
the ROM idea pretty much started out of the call quality issue, that was kinda our hook 'which cook was gordon ramsey (man) enough to fix the flawed genius of the TG'
well sorry but that cook works for Toshiba - the sound is fixed
so now rather than a problem we want fixed, we want a blank canvass of a ROM to make our own
basic noob's like me want a stripped out device with no clutter
you gamers want rotation & motion senors
you htc-afficcionados want your fav htc features
but we can't all have everything unless we all get the same template of a ROM to begin our own journeys into customization
also... well... i guess the cooks are used to it.... but it can't be a big motivation to hurry up having dozens of people all asking for different things...
cheers
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+1000 well said, totally agree!
adzman808 said:
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POSTED IN 2 THREADS COS I'M NOT SURE THE FIRST ONE WAS THE CORRECT ONE!
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it would be amazing if we could have a clean, brand free ROM from which to build our personal apps & settings.
i can see the benefits of many different things people are asking, but we all want so much & we all want different things
so if at all possible it would surely be best all round if the first ROM to be produced was pretty much the same as the latest toshiba release, but with zero branding & pre-installed apps & as much RAM & capacity left free as possible
please don't think i want to dampen the enthusiasm of those of you skilled & knowledgable enough to make these ROMs a reality, nor am i trying to be scornful to those of you who have made specific requests for widgets, features & applications
the ROM idea pretty much started out of the call quality issue, that was kinda our hook 'which cook was gordon ramsey (man) enough to fix the flawed genius of the TG'
well sorry but that cook works for Toshiba - the sound is fixed
so now rather than a problem we want fixed, we want a blank canvass of a ROM to make our own
basic noob's like me want a stripped out device with no clutter
you gamers want rotation & motion senors
you htc-afficcionados want your fav htc features
but we can't all have everything unless we all get the same template of a ROM to begin our own journeys into customization
also... well... i guess the cooks are used to it.... but it can't be a big motivation to hurry up having dozens of people all asking for different things...
cheers
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Adam, Cooks,
Perfectly said. Absolutely in agreement.
I also think would fit well with the fundamental tenet of software development - baby steps - test every step and validate with the client before moving on. Is only a modern variation of the carpenters' dit about 'measure twice and cut once' from the dawn of time, but all the more true for that.
A start point 'vanilla' stripped down ROM, preferably with some step by step instructins for the uninitiated among us to learn and build from would be the perfect start point.
Really hope that the clear experts here can help with that ?
kevinpwhite said:
Adam, Cooks,
Perfectly said. Absolutely in agreement.
I also think would fit well with the fundamental tenet of software development - baby steps - test every step and validate with the client before moving on. Is only a modern variation of the carpenters' dit about 'measure twice and cut once' from the dawn of time, but all the more true for that.
A start point 'vanilla' stripped down ROM, preferably with some step by step instructins for the uninitiated among us to learn and build from would be the perfect start point.
Really hope that the clear experts here can help with that ?
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I agree as well. Only add that we need as a start point a Clean ROM but not only without the typical brand trash, also the stupid Toshiba limitations (20% battery and so on).
Come on!
Don't worry, NRGZ28 has no plans to retire yet (I hope ). This thread may get closed or may only get a few replies, but your feedback is appreciated if you would be kind enough to post a few words...
It's not one of the usual "which ROM should I choose threads". I'm experienced here enough not to annoy you all that much!
The problem is that since I flashed my first EnergyROM on my Diamond or TP (can't remember which), I can't divert from them. Great for NRGZ28...that's obviously the desired effect, but I see so many other ROM threads in these fora, and it's obvious so many people choose them over EnergyROMs for one reason or another. Basically, I like the fact that they look great and come "fully-loaded", and a big thing for me is that the latest WM build (currently 23563) is used to cook from. A "stock" or "lite" ROM isn't much good to me as I would just fill it with all the same stuff anyway, only not being cooked in it probably wouldn't all work together so well.
What I'm asking for is what others are using instead of EnergyROM and why.
What I'm most worried about is that I'm so stuck on EnergyROMs that I might be missing something else. I recognise completely that all of the ROM chefs are super talented in what they do and I wouldn't know where to begin in cooking myself. I mean I like to think that I'm pretty well techie-minded, but the thought of ROM cooking hurts my head! All those XIP and SYS and pagepools, lua script & manila files, all the ExtROM stuff that gets constantly updated that I wouldn't be able to get hold of, not being in the right circles. I just can't bring myself to try because I know it could always be better.
But also, I don't like to constantly flash all the time, once a week is enough I think and this is what keeps me from testing other ROMs.
Thanks for reading and I hope I didn't just waste 2 minutes of your life and a few kilobytes on the xda server! I'm sure there are more "EnergyROM addicts" out that are wondering if anything else compares.
Whatever ROM you choose you will be missing something. The right question is:
Can I live without that feature/application/tweak/theme/etc?
Choosing custom ROM over stock has its obvious advantages. Using stock has its advantages also: warranty is not violated, you have support from manufacturer etc.
Custom ROMs are different story. They are made by individuals according to their taste: from eye-candy (or lack of it) to choice of apps and tweaks.
EnergyROMs have nice eye-candy, they are nicely optimized with good app choices. There are ROMs that are faster. There are ROMs that are close to stock look, so you can modify it according to your own taste. There are ROMs with no additional apps so you can install exactly what you need. Some chiefs refresh their ROMs more frequently than NRGZ28, so you get new build faster.
Personally, I stick to the "good old" 21XXX builds and flash only when there is important update in newer build. Something like improvement in speed or some feature that is important to me (battery life, newer Office build, or fix for something that was not working as it should).
EnergyROMs are used by many so bugs and problems are found much faster and, consequently, fixed faster.
I have tried almost all other ROMs but for some reason, EnergyROM on HD2 presents for me, personally, perfect combination of looks, features, stability and battery life.
You make some very valid points...am I right in considering you an EnergyROM addict too?
In fact all of what you have said is completely my way of thinking. Although I use the 23XXX builds. For some reason I have some (un)healthy compulsion to have the latest of everything, which is one of the main reasons I use EnergyROM in the 1st place (and I also why I bought a HD2 when I had a perfectly good TP2, much to my wife's dismay!
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I couldn't go back to having the "Start" and "X" buttons at the top. That's SO 4 months ago!
Anyone else wanna throw anything in?
Admire al chefs but..
Yes, I admit I have a NRG addiction as well.....
I do try other chef's cooking as well, especially because NRG takes the time to release new builds, and others come out with theirs earlier. I find myself time after time going back to his, either 'downgrading' or flash one of his as soon as they come out.
What other ROMs I try?
I would categorize them like this:
1. Eye candy - Some chefs here are extremely talented is combining their own looks, or co-operating with people with high skills of developing beautiful looking screens.
2. Performance - I always look for a ROM that will have no lag , be memory efficient (not that the HD2 lacks any) , and one without bloating.
I think the appeal NRG ROMS has on me (at least) is the combination of the Italian beauty (see the cars they make) and the German precision. On top NRG is here in the US, and it gives him another advantage for me. Not sure if he is on AT&T or not, but until now any recommendation he has (like going back to 2.07 radio) was a great advice.
I try from time to time Miri's , Tom Codon's , IT's (sorry, not on this forum any more, but still a great chef) and Dutty's, even some others. All are great piece of work, and I do want to take the opportunity and thank all of them, but as stated - NRG's are always the ones I finally keep on my phone, and dare travel with..
i think there are some fundamental differences in chefs way of thinking.
I for one (and i know a few others who have stated as much) are cooking primarily for ourselves. we just choose to share the work. I will listen to requests, and if it is valid that it gets taken care of. Of course bugs affect everyone, so they take a priority.
Many other Chefs seem to "cook for the masses" and therefore appeal to a wider audience.
I dont think it is any any way fair to consider one chef over another by something as simple as post count on their rom thread (not saying you do this its just an observation).
If you feel comfortable with a style of rom, there is nothing wrong with sticking to it. but as you say, it never hurts to look, and so you have.
Going back time and again to one chef is more a compliment to that person, and nothing to be concerned over.
matmaneyre said:
But also, I don't like to constantly flash all the time, once a week is enough I think and this is what keeps me from testing other ROMs.
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I flash every morning (atleast)...sometimes even before taking a crap
Anybody knows any bone diseases I may end up with, please warn me !
On the better side of the thread intention , I for one personally end up with a Clean rom with no extra apps so I can make it my 'own'.
Always two sides to a coin... or many sides to a paper note if you fold it
Now, I appreciate everything that these devs have had to offer. I've tried different Custom Roms (With Core Cell 3 being the most stable I've experienced, outside of the annoying Opera Mamory bug)...Android builds...and all that great efforts you guys Put forth.
I look at all these threads and Roms and see the same thing over and over...bugs...bugs....and more bugs...
The most stable Windows Rom I've truly experience is the stock one...lol...not being a smart a$$ at all. Everything just works. Take a registry editor to it and it's provided the most stable platform with Core Cell 3 a hair away from it.
Now, with Android, I see constant bug reports. I mean, people seem to have a great appreciation for the builds and love them, but it always follows up with a major bug...or even worse...lots of little bugs.
What I don't understand is why don't all you devs get together and build the "XDA" Custom Rom or "XDA" Android build that gets undiveded attention and all resources so to make it truly BUG free? Once that has been accomplished...then we can go ahead and try these test builds and play with them...
Now, I say this with a great deal of respect, having worked with developers before I know how fragile the ego's can be
It's also my experience with those same developers that taught me complete focus of resources surfaced the best result.
I mean, an effort like that is something I would pay...eeerrrrr....donate too.
Android seems to be the future for the HD2, at least I think so...some may have a different opinion...that's cool. But as much as I actually like WinMo 6.5...and WinMO 7 showing signs of being a demo at best on the HD2, Android has a future.
I think it would be a great idea for you guys to focus on one thing at a time until it's at a state you can consider it marketable...not that I'm saying that's what you should do...sell things and all.
I would even think it would be cool to take WinMo 6.5 and change it into something completely different and better than what Microsoft settled for...I always promote making Big Brother look silly with a superior view of their own product.
My point is...no matter what platform or approach...get together on it...I bet the result would be far more productive.
I fear though that this idea...no matter how much sense it makes...will not come to fruition...WHAT THE DEUCE!
Looking forward to your thoughts.
well i came up with this idea http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=902534 and would need a thew devs to work on it,about having our own unoficiall Android Rom,Something wich we can say is our own HD2 rom not direct ports if you know were im coming from and pretty much bug free and stable and fast.i know a thew devs came together to create nand so why not do it to create a rom
Thew?
Sent from my HD2 using XDA App
Hah, bug free... That's an interesting idea. The last bug free thing I saw was my Nokia 3210. Since then even my microwave ovens get bugs.
The devs do work together for the most part... different problems get solved by different devs, and they credit each other. I think its amazing what they've accomplished. You should be more than happy with how well we have a port working. I never thought it would get as good as it has, especially as quick as it has. Just look at the Raphael or blackstone... they've been working on ports for those devices for years and are nowhere close to where we are, and might never be.
The devs are doing what they can. This is their hobby... they're gonna work on what interests them. You can't expect them to all work on what you want them to... they would lose interest and we wouldn't have so much innovation. Plus a little competition can bring the best out of a person.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
Well most of the bugs in Android are at the kernel level, and there is already a group of developers working on that same piece of software together.
You also have to keep in mind, as other users in this thread have already said, that no software will be without bugs.
I guess...I just know with absolute confidence this idea will work best. Nonetheless, I understand. Also, it's not what I want?...its about completing a task these forums have already put in motion...just at a more effective manor.
i want sense build base on desire hd or z
its will be lite enuf to run from RAM and boot fast
the Data.img will be backed up in the nand but will work from SD card for better performance
that's what i think is perfect to me
RAM gives boot time and less battery drain
data.img on nand and sd card is for better iops and for backuping ur info fast with CWM
u can remove anything u dont use cos it wont be in the RAM
all most important things like email / messages / people browser will run from RAM to get the speed-est performance
As has been stated, aren't most the bugs pretty common to all builds in one way or another therefore indicating that the problem is at the programming level rather than the rom developer level.
IMHO find one you're happy with and take the bugs with a pinch of salt - the HD2 is still one of the most exciting handsets about and to have the ability to experiment with all this thanks to the ROM guys and the tools developers on here is just blooming fantastic!
Stop moaning and appreciate what we have here!
Personally, I think this is a bad idea.
I'm very happy to have multiple developers all working on different projects and supplying us with different ROMs. For example, I hate HTC Sense and prefer stock Android, but lots of people disagree with that and think Sense builds are superior.
If all the devs worked on only 1 ROM then that's all we'd have. 1 ROM. My phone would be the same as yours, and yours would be the same as every other person on the forum. That would be pretty darn boring! If you ask me, more choice is better.
"If everybody looked the same, we'd get tired of looking at each other."
I never said stop working on different flavors of Roms. Just focus on an XDA Rom. Once refined, let the flavors flow...right?
You know, I approach this topic from a respective and open discussion approach with an expressed curiosity at most and the best you can do is confuse it for moaning?
It's guys like you that start all the flaming, when you have people who are simply exchanging ideas.
There's always a few out of the bunch that can't resist being abrasive aka a$$holes while others are just chatting.
AGxM said:
As has been stated, aren't most the bugs pretty common to all builds in one way or another therefore indicating that the problem is at the programming level rather than the rom developer level.
IMHO find one you're happy with and take the bugs with a pinch of salt - the HD2 is still one of the most exciting handsets about and to have the ability to experiment with all this thanks to the ROM guys and the tools developers on here is just blooming fantastic!
Stop moaning and appreciate what we have here!
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For those of you who know me and my benchmark thread in the Rhodium forum, this will be the same thing. The only difference is that I plan to redo all the benchmarks with my Leo instead. Seeing as this is the most powerful WM device available, it only seems right that I use that for the results.
I'm currently working on building everything and cooking it all. For now, here is a link to the original thread.
[PRJ] SYS Builds: What's the difference?
I'll be updating this thread throughout the week as I burn through the builds. They each take about thirty minutes to do, so don't expect them all to show up at once. This will likely take me about three or four weeks to complete. This time, I'll be using the detailed results for more accurate comparisons, however.
Before anyone asks, I have not yet done the new builds from DFT (29018 and up).
Hopefully this thread is more useful over here.
I'm putting up this thread because there is a good bit of questions that get asked about the speed difference between the SYS builds. While Microsoft and its partners don't give us a real breakdown of them, we can at least get results on which one is faster than the other. That is the purpose of this thread. If you have any relevant information for me to add to this, let me know. If I add your suggestion, I will, of course, credit you. This is relevant to pretty much all WM6 devices. I am using a 1024_Leo to do the benchmarks as this is the most powerful WM device that was released, which I also had access to. I'm following the same pattern from the benchmark thread HERE.
To start off, Da_G, a1d2catz, and Cotulla originally posted about the different builds. OndraSter posted to elaborate on a couple of the builds.
Branches of WM Development: Here is what all these different version numbers relate to, and a summary of their features.
212xx = AKU1, all builds leading up to and including WM 6.5
213xx = MOT motorola
214xx = ???
215xx = SAM samsung
216xx = HTC htc
217xx = COM1, continuing dev of 6.5.0.1 - 6.5.0.40
218xx = COM2, continuing dev of 6.5.0.50
219xx = MD, feature test branch, pretty much dead now. (unstable features are added here, this tree is based on COM1, so older base OS code, but the UI/UX code is newer)
22xxx = SEMC sony ericsson
*230xx = COM3, continuing development
*234xx = COM4, appears to be abandoned.
*235xx = COM5, more GUI changes here. New Outlook Interface.
*236xx = LG Electronics Branch
*24xxx = Possible HTC branch
*25xxx = SEMC - Sony Ericsson
*280xx, 282xx = WMD. This is a continuation of com3 from 23090. Most of the changes appear to be with IE
235xx is the only branch that has threaded email natively
290xx = Unknown branch
There was 219xx about half year ago, with numbers ending about 21936 (or maybe 45 or about that). It was test branch, where new features (like... supernew, something like previous 230xx where appeared huge softkeybar etc) were added. This branch was dead, just as looks 234xx now.
But, there was also COM2, with numbers 218xx. Well it reached its maximum, 21899. But instead of making new number line, MS/HTC chose to use already used 219xx. Here is where the mess comes from
The WM version numbers are as follows:
216xx = 6.5.3
219xx = 6.5.0
220xx = 6.5.3
231xx = 6.5.3
235xx = 6.5.5
236xx = 6.5.3
246xx = 6.5.3
250xx = 6.5.3
282xx = 6.5.3
290xx = 6.5.3
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19 April 2011: Thread begins
Results
I based these blank uncompressed ROMs on the latest shipped T-Mobile 6.5 ROM (3.14.531.1), disabled all ext packages, and swapped builds. I've listed all of the builds that I currently have. If you have one for me to test that's not on the list, send it my way as long as it's WVGA.
SYS builds being tested:
216xx: 21659, 21661, 21663, 21665, 21671, 21674, 21677, 21679, 21680, 21681, 21682, 21683, 21684, 21685, 21686, 21687, 21689, 21690
219xx: 21904, 21905, 21907, 21908, 21909, 21911, 21914, 21916
220xx: 22013, 22018, 22019, 22021, 22022, 22024, 22027, 22031, 22036, 22037, 22038, 22040, 22041, 22042, 22044, 22046, 22047
231xx: 23120, 23121, 23129, 23130, 23132, 23133, 23134, 23135, 23136, 23138, 23139, 23140, 23142, 23144, 23145, 23146, 23148, 23149, 23150, 23151, 23152
235xx: 23569
236xx: 23651, 23654, 23656, 23658, 23659, 23662, 23664, 23667, 23670, 23676, 23678, 23680, 23683, 23686, 23688, 23689, 23690, 23691, 23694, 23697, 23698, 23699
246xx: 24609, 24610, 24611, 24614, 24618, 24619, 24620, 24626, 24627, 24628, 24630, 24631, 24635
250xx: 25018, 25024, 25026, 25027, 25028
282xx: 28233, 28236, 28237, 28238, 28240, 28242, 28243, 28244, 28245
290xx: 29002, 29003, 29004, 29005, 29007, 29008, 29009, 29011, 29013, 29017, 29018
Problem builds:
These are builds I was either unable to import into my kitchen, or cook for various reasons:
22016, 21664, 23123, 23125, 23126, 23127, 23566, 23694
Reserved #2.
FAQ
When posting to this thread, please use proper English only, and do not use profanity.
You should not type like a high school girl, either. Leave the "plz," "sum1," and "u" back on the playground.
Ask for help like an adult and be treated like one.
1. What are these benchmarks for?
Basically this is just a measure of performance on different SYS builds to see which one is the fastest. These tests do not indicate which build is really “the best.” It is a measurement of speed on the process of copying files, reading directories, and playing video. To truly “test” a ROM, you need to spend a few days with it.
2. Which radio version are you using?
To the best of my knowledge, this has no affect on the results. However, my current radio version can be found in my sig. I do not change it for these tests.
3. Does a task29 before each flashing affect the results?
There are problems with "ghosting" in ROMs where residual data is left over from a previous ROM. To avoid this, I perform a task29 first. If you want to know more about task29, then visit that thread.
4. Are those benchmarks accurate?
I test the ROMs with SPBBenchmark once as it averages the results of 13 tests each. I use three rounds of OpenGL and use those results as it takes the highest result from there, which is what we want. An average in that category is useless as we want to know what the best result is for this, not the average. I run each Avatar trailer three times and take that average. Flash is pretty straightforward and kind of just for fun, so I only do one test. All of this means that the results may vary by a very small margin. If you don't believe my findings, you are always welcome to test yourself. Anything within a 1% margin of error is acceptable.
5. Why do you disable "Built-in applications (whole category)," "Arkaball frames per second," and "Copy 1 MB using memcpy" for SPB Benchmark on the blank builds?
They don't make a noticeable difference in the results. I could grab the *.xml results file from \My Documents, but it's not that big of a deal in the blank builds as they are just a stepping stone for chefs to see what they like and don't like. If you want to see the results, test them. I use them for custom ROMs because it makes sense to do so. People will interpret these results loosely, and it is better to be more accurate with them.
6. Why aren't you using Linpack?
Great question! I would if this were Android as there are current programs for it. The only one available for use on the WinCE platform is almost three years old at this point. Also, SPBBenchmark measures MFlops, so I don't really need it, do I?
7. Why don't you test battery life?
Battery life testing takes too long, plain and simple. When you flash a new ROM, getting the battery set properly takes about two or three cycles (drained to 10% and then charged to 100%) before it "settles." Even if I did nothing but play movies with the backlight and sound at max while downloading files via wifi and using Bluetooth file transfer, it would still take about an hour or so to drain the battery enough to charge it back again. You would need to drain and then charge AT LEAST once, preferably twice, before running a battery meter to test. This means I would be stuck on one ROM for hours before moving to the next one. My current set up allows for about 30-45 minutes per ROM to test. This is much more reasonable than 4 hours each, don't you think? If you decide to do test it yourself and want to share, then be my guest.
8. I didn't see you use xxxxx version of a build. Why is that?
I either don't have access to that build, or it isn't a WVGA build. If it is a WVGA build and I don't have it listed, send me a link, and I'll test it out.
9. Can I test the ROMs too?
Sure, why not? I won't use your results, though. There was a massive flame war in the aforementioned original thread that was partly fueled by other users posting results. I don't plan to start any nonsense here.
10. Would you mind testing a custom ROM for me?
YOU MUST GET THE CHEF'S PERMISSION FOR THEIR ROM'S RESULTS TO BE POSTED. I need them to PM me with an ok. I basically want it in writing. NOTE: Once a chef says it's ok to test, I will not remove them from the tests; make sure they understand this.
11. Why am I getting different results?
There are several little nuances that can influence the results in minor ways. If you're getting significantly different results than I am, then I'll look into it again. Keep in mind that using a different device than I am may affect the results as well. However, I will not use any other users' results without verifying them myself.
12. Some of this material looks familiar. Did you steal this?
Yes, basically I did. I figured I'd restart something similar for reasons I've mentioned as well as making it more Rhodium specific. Besides, the original poster, daeron.be, hasn't even logged on in a long time. His thread hasn't been updated since September of 2009 as well. I'm going to use most of their formatting and previous material to build on. If someone has a legitimate problem with this, then PM me.
13. I don't believe that you got "X" results with "X" ROM! I think it's WAY better than all the rest!
I don't care what you think. That isn't a question anyhow. I'm doing this for myself and sharing with you all. Either take it for what it's worth or do it yourself.
14. You didn't respond to my post. What gives?!
I have a life. I'm on XDA way more than I should be as it is. I will generally respond to questions and the like. If you just post to say "Good job" or "Thanks, man," don't expect me to respond. I might, just don't expect it. Just consider this answer here as a general "Thanks" and "You're welcome."
15. You're from New Orleans? What's it like?
People are wonderful; food is amazing; Mardi Gras rocks. Let's keep the thread on topic, please.
Reserved #4.
Would be interesting to see your results...
To continue, or not.... ?
Since it appears that we won't be getting anymore SYS updates to WM6.5, does anyone feel I should continue with this? I've got over 100 of these things cooked, but if WM is not reaching its EOL, then is there a point?
I leave it up to you guys. If anyone cares whether I redo these or not, I will, but if not, then I'm going to scrap the thread and return to the Rhodium one. There will be a poll at the top in a few minutes. Please take it when you see it.
EDIT: Poll is up.
Just voted and we can make this alive and hope to get new builds out from DFT (with the help of some friends .
Thanks.
I promise I'm not trying to spam or bump this thread or anything, but I kind of would like to see more votes about this. Doing all of these benchmarks and comparisons is REALLY tedious work. It takes a very long time to do and isn't much fun either. I do it for you guys. I just need to see that this would actually be a good idea to get started on before I redo every test that I have already done before. If I am fast about it, this will take me about 30 minutes for each build. multiply that times 128 builds will take me 64 hours to complete. That isn't including the time it takes to set up the spreadsheets and do comparisons and such.
Please give some feedback if you guys care whether I do this or not. This is a big undertaking for me to do if there aren't many people who it will benefit.
cajunflavoredbob said:
. If I am fast about it, this will take me about 30 minutes for each build. multiply that times 128 builds will take me 64 hours to complete. That isn't including the time it takes to set up the spreadsheets and do comparisons and such.
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In order to save your time, I suggest that you could just redo the tests for the builds with best performance scores in every series among those builds you have tested. Of course, for those builds not yet tested, you could test one by one.
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In order to save your time, I suggest that you could just redo the tests for the builds with best performance scores in every series among those builds you have tested. Of course, for those builds not yet tested, you could test one by one.
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I would do that, but the ones I had already tested were on the Rhodium. I can't really use those to compare to the builds on the Leo. It would kind of be like comparing apples to oranges, as the saying goes. That's why I want to know if this is going to be helpful to anyone before I begin on it, since it's a very big project.
I hope Micro$oft will work on WM at least until this summer...and DFT team will help the community and share new builds, as they did until now.
I think maybe you could integrate the Rhodium benchmarks with latest build, and then choose only the most significant builds to benchmark with the Leo.
We can choose together criterions (the latest for each branch; latest+fastest?)
Putting all these informations together will create a really wonderful encyclopedia.
Monfro said:
I hope Micro$oft will work on WM at least until this summer...and DFT team will help the community and share new builds, as they did until now.
I think maybe you could integrate the Rhodium benchmarks with latest build, and then choose only the most significant builds to benchmark with the Leo.
We can choose together criterions (the latest for each branch; latest+fastest?)
Putting all these informations together will create a really wonderful encyclopedia.
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Well, the trouble is that not all branches are that cut and dry. Some of them are all very close together in terms of results. The other thing is that when I did the Rhodium benchmarks, I left out some fields and rounded up the decimals. I would rather leave them in for more accurate results. This would force me to do all of the builds over again on the Leo. I don't mind doing that at all as long as this is actually going to benefit users. I'll check again on Monday and begin doing this then if their is enough interest.
I know its hard and tedious, but I can say at least that I am interested in the results.
I am at a point of choosing a xip for the next update for my rom, and this kind of research from you make likes much easier.
So whatever you do, I really appreciate whats you've done and hope o see more. At the very least, if dev of new xip is stopping, then once you are done you got it done for everybody for all time. Future cooks will have here to look when they need it.
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I know its hard and tedious, but I can say at least that I am interested in the results.
I am at a point of choosing a xip for the next update for my rom, and this kind of research from you make likes much easier.
So whatever you do, I really appreciate whats you've done and hope o see more. At the very least, if dev of new xip is stopping, then once you are done you got it done for everybody for all time. Future cooks will have here to look when they need it.
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I'm glad to see people actually use these results, or at least they say they do. I will try to get on with the results, beginning with the 290xx branch this weekend. For those of you who followed my other thread in the Rhodium area, expect these benchmarks to be more detailed.
cajunflavoredbob said:
I'm glad to see people actually use these results, or at least they say they do. I will try to get on with the results, beginning with the 290xx branch this weekend. For those of you who followed my other thread in the Rhodium area, expect these benchmarks to be more detailed.
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Thank you. I'll be watching. I partcularly appreciated your notes on each build. For example, some were slow in general, some were slow to open folders, others had smooth scrolling, etc.
That type of information is very helpful.
Small update
Sorry for taking so long with this. My Rhodium's keyboard died and had to be sent in for repairs. I have it back now, so I'm going to start benchmarking as soon as possible. I promise this isn't a dead thread. If you're wondering what my Rhodium has to do with me testing on my Leo, well, I can't test on the same device I use for business, now can I?