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[Q] 2 ? cwm or twrp, 1click root or regular root adb etc.

first question is Im looking into rooting and unlocking my nexus 7 32gb wifi tablet any feedback on which recovery is the most stable of the 2. second question is im thinking of going with one of the 1 click root will that be a good idea or should i just try the regular rooting process with adb etc. thank you so much in advance

getmoneygreen said:
first question is Im looking into rooting and unlocking my nexus 7 32gb wifi tablet any feedback on which recovery is the most stable of the 2. second question is im thinking of going with one of the 1 click root will that be a good idea or should i just try the regular rooting process with adb etc. thank you so much in advance
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1. both are equally good its just about personal preference
2. use toolkit since i think its much safer than trying it using traditional method
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thank you for your input

I would say twrp is much better and that's only somewhat subjunctive as I haven't used clockwork on any device for a long time...
But I would stay away from toolkits as they aren't safer and you don't learn the basics yourself. Rooting a nexus device is far from complicated and if something goes wrong in the future you will at least have a concept of how to fix it.
Again my opinion may not be fair as I have never used a toolkit for any device, but I always read up on them... personally I feel if one can not obtain root without one they probably shouldn't have root access, I've seen many many bricks over the years and more often then not it is because the user didn't understand what they were doing... point being is a toolkit won't help you understand
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demkantor said:
I would say twrp is much better and that's only somewhat subjunctive as I haven't used clockwork on any device for a long time...
But I would stay away from toolkits as they aren't safer and you don't learn the basics yourself. Rooting a nexus device is far from complicated and if something goes wrong in the future you will at least have a concept of how to fix it.
Again my opinion may not be fair as I have never used a toolkit for any device, but I always read up on them... personally I feel if one can not obtain root without one they probably shouldn't have root access, I've seen many many bricks over the years and more often then not it is because the user didn't understand what they were doing... point being is a toolkit won't help you understand
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I agree with demkantor regarding toolkits, they are not any safer than running adb and fastboot commands yourself. In fact, if you take a look at most of the "oh noes! am I bricked?!" threads, the common theme is "I tried to do X with the X toolkit". With Nexus devices there is really no advantage to a using toolkit. Everything you need to do can be done faster via adb and fastboot, and you'll be in control every step of the way. Don't buy in to the FUD about it being dangerous or "scary" to use these tools, it simply isn't true.

ngoralph said:
1. both are equally good its just about personal preference
2. use toolkit since i think its much safer than trying it using traditional method
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nexus devices are made to be easily/safely unlocked and rooted through traditiinal methods. fastboot oem unlock(thank you google), flash a custom recovery, flash the su binaries or a custom rom, then reboot. thats it. using root toolkits are more dangerous, especially if you are inexperienced.

[Q] Choose between manual unlock/root/CWM or toolkit

Hi all, i got a Nexus 7 one months ago and i like it very much. I love stock jb it's very smooth and fast but i want to flash cm 10.1 cause i flashed it in every phone i had and finally i can have the official one!
Now, i searched and read a lot but i can't understand if it's better to unlock root and flash manually or through one of the toolkit for the N 7. What do you think about it?
Are there some risks with the toolkits? Thank you :highfive:

Prosper Meniere said:
Hi all, i got a Nexus 7 one months ago and i like it very much. I love stock jb it's very smooth and fast but i want to flash cm 10.1 cause i flashed it in every phone i had and finally i can have the official one!
Now, i searched and read a lot but i can't understand if it's better to unlock root and flash manually or through one of the toolkit for the N 7. What do you think about it?
Are there some risks with the toolkits? Thank you :highfive:
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Hi, Prosper Meniere..
I don't think there's any real risk from toolkits... many of them do an admirable job... but I think if you really want to LEARN and gain COMPLETE control of your device, then MANUAL is the way to go.
Learn about ADB and FASTBOOT... it's really not that complicated...
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There are four basic steps to rooting and/or flashing your favoured ROM...
1) Unlock the bootloader.
2) Fastboot flash a custom recovery - (TWRP or CWM).
3) Using that recovery...
--- flash Chainfire's SU updater package --- to gain ROOT.
--- OR alternatively, flash a CUSTOM ROM --- which likely will already be ROOTED.
4) Reboot... and that's it.. seriously - it that's simple.
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Toolkits 'mask' or hide the basic fundamentals of what they do from the end user (for ease of use, of course) ... but because their algorithms and heuristics CANNOT POSSIBLY COVER EVERY SINGLE CONTINGENCY... some situations may arise where you may to have to deal with FASTBOOT and ADB directly, and maybe even some TERMINAL emulator stuff.
So, I think it's better to acquaint yourself with that knowledge sooner... rather than later...
Anyway... just my thoughts.
Rgrds,
Ged.

GedBlake said:
Hi, Prosper Meniere..
I don't think there's any real risk from toolkits... many of them do an admirable job... but I think if you really want to LEARN and gain COMPLETE control of your device, then MANUAL is the way to go.
Learn about ADB and FASTBOOT... it's really not that complicated...
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There are four basic steps to rooting and/or flashing your favoured ROM...
1) Unlock the bootloader.
2) Fastboot flash a custom recovery - (TWRP or CWM).
3) Using that recovery...
--- flash Chainfire's SU updater package --- to gain ROOT.
--- OR alternatively, flash a CUSTOM ROM --- which likely will already be ROOTED.
4) Reboot... and that's it.. seriously - it that's simple.
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Toolkits 'mask' or hide the basic fundamentals of what they do from the end user (for ease of use, of course) ... but because their algorithms and heuristics CANNOT POSSIBLY COVER EVERY SINGLE CONTINGENCY... some situations may arise where you may to have to deal with FASTBOOT and ADB directly, and maybe even some TERMINAL emulator stuff.
So, I think it's better to acquaint yourself with that knowledge sooner... rather than later...
Anyway... just my thoughts.
Rgrds,
Ged.
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Your answer is right i have to do it manually if i want to learn. Thank you. But because i had to do it manually with my phones (galaxy ace, xperia sola) i saw these toolkit and i was curious. But like you say the manual way is the best one. Thank you man i'm gonna do it right now! :highfive:

Prosper Meniere said:
Your answer is right i have to do it manually if i want to learn. Thank you. But because i had to do it manually with my phones (galaxy ace, xperia sola) i saw these toolkit and i was curious. But like you say the manual way is the best one. Thank you man i'm gonna do it right now! :highfive:
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I also agree. Best to learn the manual method first. I will be honest, I use the tool kits, but I CAN do it the manual way and have as needed. Good luck!
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hlxanthus said:
I also agree. Best to learn the manual method first. I will be honest, I use the tool kits, but I CAN do it the manual way and have as needed. Good luck!
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I'm wondering if I should learn a bit more about Toolkits - maybe try Wugs... so at least can I understand what hell people are going on about .
Rgrds,
Ged.

[Q] I want to root my Nexus 4 4.3 JWR66V

I want to root my Nexus 4 4.3 JWR66V with a Toolkit.
I want the easiest way and MUCH MORE important is it to be SAFE.
So which Toolkit shall I use?
I thaught about WugFresh's and N-Cry but if there is something else it'll be OK (WugFresh's looks very easy but I heard there are some bugs with 4.3)
Thank you in advance guys!:good:

VIPOA said:
I want to root my Nexus 4 4.3 JWR66V with a Toolkit.
I want the easiest way and MUCH MORE important is it to be SAFE.
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I had no problem with CF Auto Root by chainfire - simply flash it via fastboot, thats it!
Link to Thread

joerg78 said:
I had no problem with CF Auto Root by chainfire - simply flash it via fastboot, thats it!
Link to Thread
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Thanks but I want to use a ToolKit...
Which ToolKit shall I use to root 4.3?

VIPOA said:
Thanks but I want to use a ToolKit...
Which ToolKit shall I use to root 4.3?
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Go to the thread, read, understand the risk, then try it out. You will find one that works. I'll be the good guy and link you.
Wug's Nexus Root Toolkit
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2015469
N-Cry
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2171332
Always do backup, when possible!
Edit: A word of advice, although it is safe to say that you can't brick your phone with these toolkit, but if you can't bear with the risk of data loss, it is best not to do it at all.

VIPOA said:
I want to root my Nexus 4 4.3 JWR66V with a Toolkit.
I want the easiest way and MUCH MORE important is it to be SAFE.
So which Toolkit shall I use?
I thaught about WugFresh's and N-Cry but if there is something else it'll be OK (WugFresh's looks very easy but I heard there are some bugs with 4.3)
Thank you in advance guys!:good:
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I know that you are new to driod hacking but I would recommend you to do stuff manually it would be very useful to you.

ksilver89 said:
Always do backup, when possible!
Edit: A word of advice, although it is safe to say that you can't brick your phone with these toolkit, but if you can't bear with the risk of data loss, it is best not to do it at all.
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Especially if your bootloader is still locked - the rooting process WILL result in data loss.

ksilver89 said:
Go to the thread, read, understand the risk, then try it out. You will find one that works. I'll be the good guy and link you.
Wug's Nexus Root Toolkit
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2015469
N-Cry
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2171332
Always do backup, when possible!
Edit: A word of advice, although it is safe to say that you can't brick your phone with these toolkit, but if you can't bear with the risk of data loss, it is best not to do it at all.
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I know the risks but I heard that there are some bugs with WugFresh's but WugFresh's looks much easier...
Thanks!
sujith1994 said:
I know that you are new to driod hacking but I would recommend you to do stuff manually it would be very useful to you.
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What do you mean by do stuff manually? Commands?
Thanks!
joerg78 said:
Especially if your bootloader is still locked - the rooting process WILL result in data loss.
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I don't care about data loss, I'll backup everything I need before...
And my bootloader is locked so I need a tool to unlock it
Thanks!

VIPOA said:
I know the risks but I heard that there are some bugs with WugFresh's but WugFresh's looks much easier...
Thanks!
What do you mean by do stuff manually? Commands?
Thanks!
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Yeah using commands and doing stuff it is highly recommend.

sujith1994 said:
Yeah using commands and doing stuff it is highly recommend.
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But I prefer a Toolkit...
I want it to be the easiest way for me so:
Which Toolkit shall I use?
Tanks!

VIPOA said:
But I prefer a Toolkit...
I want it to be the easiest way for me so:
Which Toolkit shall I use?
Tanks!
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Sorry mate I don't use toolkits so I don't know which is the best one out there!

sujith1994 said:
Sorry mate I don't use toolkits so I don't know which is the best one out there!
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OK,
thank's any way!

Fastboot oem unlock
Fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
Flash supersu in recovery
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I think N-Cry but search for a guide cause I didn't find...

VIPOA said:
MUCH MORE important is it to be SAFE.
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Well then you better do things manually, because one wrong click on a toolkit and you're screwed. Seriously, do it manually and you'll learn how to sort out future issues. Also, don't post duplicate threads since I've just replied to another thread that you've created about the exact same thing.
In fact, it would do you a lot of good to read the new user guide in my sig. I'm not being rude, just realistic. You seem to know very little about this right now and the sooner you get used to XDA the faster you'll be able to find what you need.

Nigeldg said:
Well then you better do things manually, because one wrong click on a toolkit and you're screwed. Seriously, do it manually and you'll learn how to sort out future issues. Also, don't post duplicate threads since I've just replied to another thread that you've created (in the wrong forum btw, questions belong in the Q&A) about the exact same thing.
In fact, it would do you a lot of good to read the new user guide in my sig. I'm not being rude, just realistic. You seem to know very little about this right now and the sooner you get used to XDA the faster you'll be able to find what you need.
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This +100. You want something? Read about it and learn what you want to do. Laziness will only screw you in the end.

Don't wanna hijack OP's thread but before rooting if one wants to back up the data.. How can it be done? And my back up i mean complete back up of apps and games..the save points in games.. The settings in app etc.
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filthykid said:
Don't wanna hijack OP's thread but before rooting if one wants to back up the data.. How can it be done? And my back up i mean complete back up of apps and games..the save points in games.. The settings in app etc.
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You should check out Carbon in the playstore. I believe it's made by koush and it's supposed to work without root.
You ask this as you do not have your bootloader unlocked I suppose?

filthykid said:
Don't wanna hijack OP's thread but before rooting if one wants to back up the data.. How can it be done? And my back up i mean complete back up of apps and games..the save points in games.. The settings in app etc.
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Adb backup -all
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kwibis said:
You should check out Carbon in the playstore. I believe it's made by koush and it's supposed to work without root.
You ask this as you do not have your bootloader unlocked I suppose?
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Correct.

Using a tool kit may look easier since you just have to select an option, but honestly the guide here is more or less cut and paste into the command line. Plus there's no harm in reading and gaining more information so that you don't panic when you get into a bootloop or brick. I get that you're new to android rooting, but if you're going to do something like unlock a bootloader, might as well in from the deep end.

I installed root from twrp when it offerd for me, what do i do now to get rid of it?

I installed root from twrp when it offerd for me, what do i do now to get rid of it?

Use the unsu.zip file that is in the original SU thread. Just flash that and it should get rid of it!

gman88667733 said:
Use the unsu.zip file that is in the original SU thread. Just flash that and it should get rid of it!
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my device is not booting after installing the twrp root and now i think its stuck.

shotgun10ga said:
my device is not booting after installing the twrp root and now i think its stuck.
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Hmm, can you reboot to bootloader? If so, use Nexus Root Toolkit to flash stock and unbrick and start from there. Never install the SU that twrp suggests!!

@twrp, please fix this! its like a accident waiting to happen. I almost did this myself so many times.

gman88667733 said:
Hmm, can you reboot to bootloader? If so, use Nexus Root Toolkit to flash stock and unbrick and start from there. Never install the SU that twrp suggests!!
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He should learn how to use fastboot and do it properly without a tool kit. Tool kits lead to nothing but problems.
This is to OP.
YOU really need to stop messing with you're phone and learn what you're doing before you actually brick you're phone. What you have right now is not a brick and is incredibly easy to fix for someone who knows what they're doing. Do some reading and learning or you're going to end up with a fancy paperweight.
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toknitup420 said:
He should learn how to use fastboot and do it properly without a tool kit. Tool kits lead to nothing but problems.
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I understand what you are saying, but the toolkit is good if you are really stuck and are unsure of what to do. I do agree that learning the correct fastboot techniques is the best idea though!!

toknitup420 said:
He should learn how to use fastboot and do it properly without a tool kit. Tool kits lead to nothing but problems.
This is to OP.
YOU really need to stop messing with you're phone and learn what you're doing before you actually brick you're phone. What you have right now is not a brick and is incredibly easy to fix for someone who knows what they're doing. Do some reading and learning or you're going to end up with a fancy paperweight.
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can you link me to something that will help me fix it? and btw can i flash a factory image thats newer than mine?

gman88667733 said:
I understand what you are saying, but the toolkit is good if you are really stuck and are unsure of what to do. I do agree that learning the correct fastboot techniques is the best idea though!!
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what is a video i can watch on how to do it?

shotgun10ga said:
can you link me to something that will help me fix it? and btw can i flash a factory image thats newer than mine?
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I've already told you to use @Heisenberg guide like 3 or 4 times. Everything you need is in there. Legit everything. No more threads. You need to practice and learn this stuff. I know I'm coming off like a prick. But you need to try to learn this stuff or you're going to screw yourself. The guide is right in the stickies section of Q&A.
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Bootloop when using Wug's Nexus Root Toolkit. Help?

Hey all, I seem to have issues when trying to use the Nexus Root Toolkit when I try to root my 6P.
Has anyone else ran into this problem before? I had no other choise but to Flash back to stock and unroot.
Any help is greatly appreciated.

cutthroat31 said:
Hey all, I seem to have issues when trying to use the Nexus Root Toolkit when I try to root my 6P.
Has anyone else ran into this problem before? I had no other choise but to Flash back to stock and unroot.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Plenty of people have run into issues like this while using toolkits, that's why I don't suggest people use them. You really don't need a toolkit anyway, it's very easy to do everything manually, check out my guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guides-how-to-guides-beginners-t3206928

Heisenberg said:
Plenty of people have run into issues like this while using toolkits, that's why I don't suggest people use them. You really don't need a toolkit anyway, it's very easy to do everything manually, check out my guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guides-how-to-guides-beginners-t3206928
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Thank you! Part of me feels ok now that I know others have experienced this. Will definitely check that out.