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iPhone 4........its a joke!

Hi guys.
Havnt been here for about 2 weeks coz I recently had my upgrade and i upgraded to the iPhone 4! Ok, dont start flaming.
I was torn between the galaxy s or the iPhone and thought, what the hell, i have already used WinMo, Symbian and Android but never had an iPhone, so thought lets see what its all about. Guess what? I actually hate it!!!
Ok, so there some things on it that do work better than WinMO such emails, and maybe the appstore is better than marketlace, but overall, its just so boring!!!! I have jailbroken it aswell but its still nothing like our favourite WinMo.
I havent and never will get rid of my HD2, infact, i still carry it with me to work and still play around with it. I even show off the HD2 more to my colleuges(sp ) than the iPhone(coz its boring).
Man, its so easy to just drag n drop files, music, pics etc on our HD2s but with the iPhone.....its such a long procedure that i only have a few of each on it!!
So, the point is, that I didnt miss much (nor anyone) by not having an iPhone and probably will never miss anything coz winmo, in a nutshell, is way better!
But i am now stuck with this.I might even change my sims around and make my HD2 the primary device again and stick my PAYG sim in the iPhone.....as a back up!
I just wanted to share my experience so please guys, dont start flaming!

I haven't had any experience with the iPhone 4, but I can say the same is true from me with the last iPhone. I bought one last month just to play around with, and it actually seemed a little boring compared to my HD2 and my Android phones. It does certain things better, and some of the apps such as the Chase Bank app are the reason I wont get rid of it, but other things just seem complicated compared to the HD2. I hate having to connect to iTunes for every damn thing. I have my HD2 synced with iTunes, but on a number of occasions I just click and drag photos and music onto it. Its very convenient.

ReganH22 said:
I haven't had any experience with the iPhone 4, but I can say the same is true from me with the last iPhone. I bought one last month just to play around with, and it actually seemed a little boring compared to my HD2 and my Android phones. It does certain things better, and some of the apps such as the Chase Bank app are the reason I wont get rid of it, but other things just seem complicated compared to the HD2. I hate having to connect to iTunes for every damn thing. I have my HD2 synced with iTunes, but on a number of occasions I just click and drag photos and music onto it. Its very convenient.
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Im glad to hear you feel the same........so its not just me!

At least you still have your HD2.........
Sell the iphone and get something else you might have wanted.......
Or sell it and have your HD2 gold plated

conantroutman said:
Or sell it and have your HD2 gold plated
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LOL!

rumz82 said:
LOL!
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That was a joke originally but the more I think about it..... the more I want it......

Has anyone tried or own the Galaxy S (UK)? Is it worth me selling the iPhone for it?
Bigger screen, super AMOLED, Android, Hummingbird processor.......... probably can choose my own ringtone too! .......

just out of curiosity, how do you find iphone's retina display. is it indeed 'magical', as stevie described, it in terms of web surfing, video, photo?
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LOL!
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Rurph said:
just out of curiosity, how do you find iphone's retina display. is it indeed 'magical', as stevie described, it in terms of web surfing, video, photo?
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Looks - very sexy
Feel - very good build
Speed - ok......could be a bit faster though.
User friendlyness - Not really
retina display- To be honest.......i dont see much difference really. Im starting to feel it was just a sales technique! Nothing magical about it.
Web surfing- actually pretty good, quite fast.....but screen too small!
Videos- watched "2012" on it.....looks ok.Again, nothing magical. But, Youtube video quality isnt the best even on wifi. Can not beat HD2!
Photos - Got to admit, is very good. Inc the camera.
Volume - Personally, i find the system volume too low. Sometimes i miss new messages and email
Emails- better than WinMo ( i know, hate to admit it!)
Messaging - couldvr been better if we could threaded or not.
Eye Candy? - Nope....unlike the HD2
Personalising/customising - should i even bother?
Annoyingness- Magically Unlimited!

I played with the T-Mobile Vibrant yesterday, and to be honest I dont think I would trade my HD2 in for one. The phone was pretty cool, but I was not really impressed by the screen. It did seem pretty responsive, but the major drawback to that phone was it felt so cheap. It was really thin and light, but it felt like I could easily break it if I dropped it. Its still a nice phone though.

@ rumz82 someone has smeared a Iturd on your sig please remove it lol

Rurph said:
just out of curiosity, how do you find iphone's retina display. is it indeed 'magical', as stevie described, it in terms of web surfing, video, photo?
cheers
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Friend jut got an iPhone 4 too and I've been playing with it... The screen is good, indeed can't distinguish the pixels even from close... but IMO it's such that it feels a bit "artificial" on photos. It displays web sites at full width, but the HD2 does that too. And while when doing it even the smallest text is still readable thanks to the resolution, it's so small you'd need to have your phone 4 inches from the eyes. If that's the revolution...
All in all, I'll take the HD2's larger screen any day. So much more comfortable in actual use.
There are cool things though. Especially the camera is very very good. UI is even more smooth, and everything just works, no reboots, no hacking around etc. I really like the new hardware, but it would just need to have the HD2's screen.
Still might pick one up for some time tho, even if that means selling it again after a couple of months, seeing how these things sell like hot cakes and are sold out everywhere it wouldn't be too much of a loss.

nice thread here
DN41

About 3 weeks before the release of the iPhone 4 I read all the new press releases and decided I wanted to replace my HD2 with one. A lot of friends have the 3GS and they look like a lot of fun. I had the original iPhone and the 3G for a few months.
I pre-ordered 2 32gig iPhone 4's... one for me and one for my fiancee.
The release date arrived and the pair of them were delivered to my work.
I opened my one and started playing. I downloaded some of the apps / games that I'd seen friends playing with that had made me want an iPhone in the first place. From the start before anyone had mentioned signal issues, I had a poor signal.
My fiancee saw my iPhone and decided she wanted to wait for a white one - so I immediately put hers on eBay. A nice sale of £962 - and I sent it to South Africa!
I got it on the Thursday afternoon, and I took it into my local Apple store on the Sunday about the dreadful reception - and that it had a random bit of plastic sticking out of the screen. The 'genius' tried cutting it off, and then replaced it.
At my work, my HD2 gets a 3-4 bar 3G signal. The iPhone got an 'O' signal - which is the worst possible. My main use of a smartphone is having decent internet at work - and using this O connection was hopeless. This was the same whether I had the phone on the desk or in my hand. My workmate has a 3GS and when the 2 sat next to each other on the table, his (same network) had 3 bars of 3G and mine had 2-3 bars of O.
I carried on for a few more days, and eventually finished Angry Birds!! Once that was done, I struggled to find anything worth using the phone for. I noticed on the Saturday (6 days of owning my seconds one) that it had a big scratch on the screen and a couple of small ones - despite it being in a soft case all the time, So much for the scratch proof glass!
The proximity sensor wasn't working properly, so on Sunday (a week of ownership) I went back to the Apple store again, and the genuis gave me a third one.
Fearing it would scratch again, I ordered a Zagg full housing skin for it - and went back to using my HD2 again. I left the iPhone 4 for 2 days - then decided I didn't really want it anymore! The signal was useless at work - and wasn't much better at home (where I use WiFi anyway).
I stuck it on eBay at night with a Buy It Now of £995 - and in the morning it was sold. Sent it to Finland this time!
Now I'm back to my HD2. I had decided I would buy something else with my iPhone 4 profits (just over £650 after eBay / PayPal fees) - but after a bit of looking around I decided my HD2 is as good as anything else out there.
Yes, the iPhone is easier to use in that the touch screen works much better. The typing works much better on the iPhone with the spell check and predictive text. The new screen DOES look amazing and watching movies on the screen was great. Apple have finally made their phone include all the things that have been missing over the last few generations... but it is still lacking some stuff. If the signal had been decent at work, then I may have held on to it... but I'd have kept my HD2 for my bought WinMo apps. I really liked the size - it was just that fraction smaller than the HD2 which made it sit slightly better in my pocket. The battery life also seemed to be better in the iPhone 4.
As the white iPhone seems to be on an endless promise - my fiancee got a Sony Ericcson Xperia X10 Mini Pro today... and is very happy with it so far. I've had a play with it and it seems to be a very nice 'little' phone. If they make a slightly bigger one with a decent screen resolution it might be worth considering.

p3eps said:
I had decided I would buy something else with my iPhone 4 profits (just over £650 after eBay / PayPal fees)
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They charged you the best part of £300 to list, sell and handle though Paypal?!

if you can't use your smartphone cause of NO 3G reception (while you should have reception) what's the use of a smartphone ? i heared all the rumors about the reception problem @ iphone4 but that it would be that bad in real life usage ?? EPIC FAIL!! and that for a phone prized like a gold plated pearfone 4000..(at least that you would expect for a phone with no use ;P
In the netherlands we call it the aaiphone Translation: the caressphone, please don't grab me to hard or else suffer reception loss/call drops xDthe wordplay is funnier in dutch though
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No i will stick to my beloved HD2 till HD3(or comparable phone )got most of the time max 3g reception and after some repairs my phone is working butter smooth.. no lockups, resets, totally nothing just working like a smart phone should, ow and don't forget the nice gorgious big ass screen really love watching some high bitrate series/movies on it

How to sync hd2 with iTunes?
ReganH22 said:
I have my HD2 synced with iTunes
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How do you get the HD2 to sync with iTunes ? Is it by the DoubleTwist software? If not, would you share the steps?
Thanks!

I was expecting a 4.0 display with iPhone 4
p3eps said:
If they make a slightly bigger one with a decent screen resolution it might be worth considering.
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That is one of the disappointing aspects of the iPhone 4 besides no doubling of storage to 64gb for music. I skipped the iPhone 3G so I skip the iPhone 4 because the next iPhone will be better. I don't understand why it sells so much

ketzazu said:
How do you get the HD2 to sync with iTunes ? Is it by the DoubleTwist software? If not, would you share the steps?
Thanks!
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This is the only thing you need. http://ita.sourceforge.net/ Just follow the instructions and its really easy. It works really well.

Kalavere said:
They charged you the best part of £300 to list, sell and handle though Paypal?!
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Not quite!
£995 + £962 = £1957
The iPhones COST £599 each - so take £1198 off that = £755.
My PayPal / Final Value fees must've been about £100 in total - as the listing cost was about £1.30!

My thoughts on the Arc and why im going to keep it (read if you want!)

Hello all.
Having owned an X10 for just short of a year I've lived through S.E's initial step in to the smart phone arena, and while they made a lot of mistakes with the X10 they have clearly learned their lesson. Many die hard S.E fans said they were going to jump ship when it came time to purchasing a new phone, myself included, however, having owned my Arc for nearly two weeks now I'm so so glad I stuck with them!
No matter what phone you buy there is always going to be something about it that you don't like, the only thing for me, or what I don't like the most should I say in regards to the Arc is their choice of rear casing, it can be a tad slippery at times so would have preferred to have the same black rubbery casing as on the X10, which I could sit nicely on the slant of the arm on the couch but the Arc just slides down so just sit it at the side of me of me now.
Sure a default Android U.I would be perfect but having now rooted and changed most of it I like my phone even more. There's a few more little niggles such as the bootup time but I'm sure that will be resolved at some point just like a few issues with the X10 were. It's easy to say when you buy a phone it shouldn't come with any issues, unfortunately they do, whether you go with S.E, Samsung or HTC, go browse the forums of any phone on XDA and you'll see that some people are happy with their phones and some aren't, "you can't please all of the people all of the time"!
I recall a user on AndroidForums who had had their X10 replaced a good few times, at least 3 or 4 but were never happy, always finding some sort of fault with the phone and soon became apparent that the said user would have been better suited with a Nokia 7210 or similar phone because their Smart Phone was clearly too smart for them. I'm not saying you need to be a technophile to be able to use a smart phone nor should you have to be for it work as intended, but some people are always going to have issues for whatever reason.
Some people are unlucky and receive a dodgy handset whether it's software or hardware based so there isn't a great deal you can do on such occasions, but that doesn't mean everyone is going to suffer the same issues one person might be having.
To sum up, I love my Arc, current Andoid OS, fast and looks the business, as I've already stated I'm so glad I decided to stick with S.E because imo they've made up for the mistakes they made with the X10.

This is something I would like to see .. Good work bud

+1
Love this thing.
-Sent from my awesome Arc (LT15a)

XperienceD said:
No matter what phone you buy there is always going to be something about it that you don't like, the only thing for me, or what I don't like the most should I say in regards to the Arc is their choice of rear casing, it can be a tad slippery at times so would have preferred to have the same black rubbery casing as on the X10, which I could sit nicely on the slant of the arm on the couch but the Arc just slides down so just sit it at the side of me of me now.
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Here is a rubbery battery cover for teh arc
h t t p://cgi.ebay.com/Battery-Back...ltDomain_0&hash=item3cb86e7a44#ht_3433wt_1119

kbadone said:
Here is a rubbery battery cover for teh arc
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Thanks, but it's a broken link.

It's technophile... technophobe is someone who's scared of technology.. (like my wife !)..
Good thread through.. Androids biggest perform is also its biggest success.. Openness. It allows the knowledgeable to do some seriously impressive things with their phones.. But it also lets the idiots have a go as well..then when they knacker their phone they blame everyone else..
Sent from The arc using XDA premium..

This time last night I was trying to decide whether to buy an Arc or go for something else. After reading the 'other' thread, I had some real concerns about how good the Arc really was. After ALOT more reading tons & tons of threads/reviews I decided to bite the bullet and get an Arc.
To be honest I really can't see what people are complaining about? I think this thing is fantastic! I've spent all day on it and can't see wtf the fuss is about. Battery life is good, it's fast and smooth and looks pretty f**king cool.
Granted I've only played with it for 10 hours but at this stage the biggest problem I've found is getting used to how sensitive the touch screen is although that's more my fault as I'm not exactly petite and gentle. Also, the back was quite slippery but I've put this skin on and it cleared that problem up....
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im_iceman said:
It's technophile... technophobe is someone who's scared of technology.. (like my wife !)
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Thanks, I thought it didn't look or sound quite right.
im_iceman said:
But it also lets the idiots have a go as well..then when they knacker their phone they blame everyone else
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+1! Like people who root their phones then ask questions like "now what", if you don't know what something is before doing it, then you don't need to and should shouldn't do it in the first place, imo.

XperienceD said:
Thanks, but it's a broken link.
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the link is broken because he put white spaces between http :s
http://cgi.ebay.com/Battery-Back-Co...ltDomain_0&hash=item3cb86e7a44#ht_3433wt_1119

The arc for me is definitely one to miss. You say the arc is fast. That's because your compairing it with your experience of the x10 with older hardware and dated software. Pit the arc against the newer 2011 phones and you'll find its quite slow in comparison. It is to the x10 what windows 7 was to vista (even then I feel I am being a bit harsh to windows 7). It's a polished up version and as such, I see absolutely no reason upgrading from the x10 to it. With gingerbread coming to the x10 soon, I'll see my contract through and hope SE come up with a truly worthy competitor. If they fail to wake up from their slumber by then, the GS3 will most likely be the choice (iphone rip off or not).
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@kbadone: this is the exact thing i was searching for... thanks ALOT..
i wish the silver/white thing was available.
hey.. are you using this cover?

commodoor said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Battery-Back-Co...ltDomain_0&hash=item3cb86e7a44#ht_3433wt_1119
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£11.59, ordered. Should be here by the end of the month.

XperienceD said:
£11.59, ordered. Should be here by the end of the month.
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Do give the review on this same thread..

commodoor said:
the link is broken because he put white spaces between http :s
http://cgi.ebay.com/Battery-Back-Co...ltDomain_0&hash=item3cb86e7a44#ht_3433wt_1119
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Oops my bad :-S
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Meh... All I can say is that the Arc is a POS phone.
Most people who purchase the Arc after owning the X10 are X10 apologists.
I am enjoying my Desire HD. However I will not be upgrading to the Sensation...
If SE has something decent up its sleeves and it comes up in time...

Maedhros said:
Meh... All I can say is that the Arc is a POS phone.
Most people who purchase the Arc after owning the X10 are X10 apologists.
I am enjoying my Desire HD. However I will not be upgrading to the Sensation...
If SE has something decent up its sleeves and it comes up in time...
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Or, we genuinely love our phone. ;-)
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Hey guys.
I am a happy owner of the silver arc for 3 days now. I am very satisfied with it, battery on the first charge lasted almost 24 hours - of course somewhat light usage.
I only had to insert a piece of paper under the battery cover to eliminate squeaks.
I noticed you had X10 before. My gf is very impressed with arc and because of the lower price of the X10, she is considering buying it. Can you tell me how much better is the battery on the arc, comparing to the X10?
Thanks.

Mercano said:
Hey guys.
I am a happy owner of the silver arc for 3 days now. I am very satisfied with it, battery on the first charge lasted almost 24 hours - of course somewhat light usage.
I only had to insert a piece of paper under the battery cover to eliminate squeaks.
I noticed you had X10 before. My gf is very impressed with arc and because of the lower price of the X10, she is considering buying it. Can you tell me how much better is the battery on the arc, comparing to the X10?
Thanks.
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It largly depend on how you use your phone and ofcourse the android implementation on your device.
Both x10 and arc just got 2.1.B and 2.3.3 update which many claim has increased the battery life.
Also, display is most important factor which drains battery.
Bottomline x10 will have tiny winy bit advantage over arc when 2.3. 3 comes to x10. Both have 1500mA battery.
So, imo, let handling, look, camera be the deciding factors.

I understand, but I believe that the screen on the arc should be more energy efficient. Check the presentation form the xperia acro launch in Japan:
http://www.talkandroid.com/37350-sony-ericsson-xperia-acro-presentation-images-leaked/gpad7/
And we should not forget the cpu technology (45 nm vs. 65nm).
I still believe that if you use both devices exactly the same, the arc should last longer. Just my thought.

Mercano said:
I understand, but I believe that the screen on the arc should be more energy efficient. Check the presentation form the xperia acro launch in Japan:
http://www.talkandroid.com/37350-sony-ericsson-xperia-acro-presentation-images-leaked/gpad7/
And we should not forget the cpu technology (45 nm vs. 65nm).
I still believe that if you use both devices exactly the same, the arc should last longer. Just my thought.
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That is something new i got to learn. Thanks =)

Vibrant is going, going, gone.......

Well what can I say, I bought the Vibrant last year in June, and it has been the worst phone I have ever owned......... After four replacements and constant lags, freezes, reboots, battery pulls, GPS working only 20% of the time, poor updates, sucky support from samsung (who I will never buy a product from again) I am finally moving on. I picked up a Sensation yesterday.
Not one lag or freeze and the gps works every time......whoooohoooooo
since I got it......this thing is fast and the signal strength is unbelievable. At my home I had to go outside to get 3G with the vibrant and this one gets 4G everywhere.
The rest will have to be determined.
It is my firm belief and opinion that Samsung built a dud with the galaxy class phones because of all the mods they did for the companies involved; Tmobile, Sprint, Verizon, etc. and stopped supporting these phones to cut their losses that they would incur if they kept supporting them.
I am off to the Sensation board and I bid you fair well.

Lol seems like your the only one with these problems only thing i can agree about is the GPS. I was going to get a sensation but I like having 16gb internal memory. And a 8GB SD that's just me though. Good luck on the sensation if your selling your vibrant ill buy it for 100
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rbcamping said:
Well what can I say, I bought the Vibrant last year in June, and it has been the worst phone I have ever owned......... After four replacements and constant lags, freezes, reboots, battery pulls, GPS working only 20% of the time, poor updates, sucky support from samsung (who I will never buy a product from again) I am finally moving on. I picked up a Sensation yesterday.
Not one lag or freeze and the gps works every time......whoooohoooooo
since I got it......this thing is fast and the signal strength is unbelievable. At my home I had to go outside to get 3G with the vibrant and this one gets 4G everywhere.
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4 replacements?! most times you get a replacement you only need one, i have never needed any replacing of any of my phones unless you count physically twisting the piece of **** in half. 4 replacements is out of this world, YOU are doing something wrong and bricking your phone. Learn how to read better, and you wont have that problem. You bought it last year in June so it's already a year old, Ofcourse your new phone is going to have better reception and technology, your phone was ancient the day you bought it.
It is my firm belief and opinion that Samsung built a dud with the galaxy class phones because of all the mods they did for the companies involved; Tmobile, Sprint, Verizon, etc. and stopped supporting these phones to cut their losses that they would incur if they kept supporting them.
I am off to the Sensation board and I bid you fair well.
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It is my firm belief you have no idea what you are talking about.
out the possible 100% you could have, 75% are totally happy with the SGS and have no issues. 20% are just absoloute morons who have no idea what they are doing and bricking there phones from rushing through or not reading. and there is 5% that are just unlucky and receive a phone that was destined for failure right from the factory.
Now we could count you in the 5% but seeing as youve broken 4 of your phones then your out of that category. Samsung has built an AMAZING phone with an AMAZING community behind it backing it up. Just because your another one of the clowns who cant pay attention to what your doing doesn't mean you need to make a thread starting s**t. Good, leave, dont let the door hit your ass on the way out. But a new phone isn't gonna help if your braindead, you'll just brick that one too.

I am fairly sure that a very few amount of people actually have your problems, and most are content with the Vibrant. So you basically created this thread to rub it in our faces that you got a better phone? Great, but you'll be regretting it when the Hercules kicks the Sensation's ass. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Oh, and enjoy your Sensation once it bites the dust due to HTC's terrible quality control.

seedofchaos said:
Lol seems like your the only one with these problems only thing i can agree about is the GPS. I was going to get a sensation but I like having 16gb internal memory. And a 8GB SD that's just me though. Good luck on the sensation if your selling your vibrant ill buy it for 100
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i wouldnt touch anything he's owned

I don't know what you are talking either...im pretty happy with my phone.

I just got an HTC Sensation yesterday, but I do miss my Vibrant. I think the Vibrant screen is superior. Sense is cool but it's overhyped. Give me Trigger any day Also, I hate that my bootloader is locked. The Vibrant is very easy to modify. I might keep my Vibrant as my backup until the SGS2 comes out in the States. That's the phone I want!

This thread was unnecessary.
On a serious note, OP is a ___.
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OP - you should post this in the Sensation forums.
That place is flooded with people *****ing about the Sensation.
Dust under screen, Data issues, lag, sound issues, death grip, and the currently locked bootloader...
And over here we have the GPS which can be fixed (extremely well, mind you) for $5 and a tweezer.
Thanks for the thread though. Good times.

You, my dear sir, just have a **** luck.
I've had my Vibrant for plenty of time and never got a single thing you mentioned, except GPS.
But I do not use GPS so I couldn't give two ****s.

Um.. Huh? Worst phone you ever owned? Really..? So you went to a phone that has many of the same issues the Vibrant had when it came out (things all new phone suffer from at first.. lets be honest) But its a dud in its self.. Only 1 gb of user space.. Less than a Gig of ram, and thats going to be a must soon.. watch.. Don't get me wrong its a nice device.. My wife has a G2 and i have sense 3.0 Gingerbread on it and its cool.. But the Sensation is anything but Sensational...
And every one *****es and moans about updates.. guys i hate to tell ya this but it didn't take any longer for the SGS phones to get froyo than other devices.. and now GB is leaking for the US phones.. so that really needs to be put to bed..

don't let the door hit you in your

Why do people make this type of post?
I'm fairly certain you won't be missed. Have you contributed anything to the community? Not that I have, but then again, I'm not going to make a childish farewell bragging on my new purchase.
It's not that the sensation is out of any of our reach, most of us could buy one right now. We CHOOSE not to.
Telling a bunch of people you don't know about what a great gadget you purchased.... Good for you buddy. Go call your mother and tell her how excited you are.

Had to post this xD

You must've had an extra early model since the Vibrant came out in July...if I remember correctly.

LoL learn to use your phone.

another case of user error :/...the vibrant is a phone for smart people, people who want to learn and read, this thing is almost unbrickable!! amazing screen, best single core GPU, 16gb of memory, I can keep going but I dont have enough time

Sense sucks and the screen (you know, that thing you stare at constantly) on the Vibrant is wayyyy better in a side-by-side comparison.
What if people like OP (four phone returns, really?) are the reason we don't have GB yet....

I own both and screen in sensation sucks it is washed out bleak, poor angles you cant see anything when outside
the size of the phones is same but sensation feels heavy in my pocket and vibrant is like piece of paper. 4" and 4.3" are almost same. I love vibrant
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OP sounds fat.

Upcoming Incredible 4g model...

As, I approach my upgrade time. I am pondering my options... and wondering what others are thinking.
When I first read about this phone model (the upcoming Incredible 4g), I was not not especially impressed. But with more leaked info, I wonder is this actually my ideal (or very near ideal) phone.
1. It supposedly will have the S4 Krait processor. This is an upgrade over anything currently on Verizon. I didn't realize that it was going to get this processor. If it doesn't have this processor, then I really don't have any interest. I thought the Incredible 4g was just a smaller Rezound. I was wrong. This processor is an improvement over phones like the Rezound and G Nexus.
2. I have not liked the idea of the newer phones eliminating the SD card. This phone will have a SD card slot... plus 8 gigs internal.
3. It will have a removable battery, another thing that myself and many others have not liked about other new models coming out. I have managed to get excellent life out of my stock Dinc1 battery... but I've always been happy to know that there are bigger replacements available if I wanted them... or if the stock battery were to get weak with age.
4. I am torn by the manufacturers making screens bigger and bigger on phones (and with greater and greater numbers of pixels to control and illuminate). Those screens sure look nice... but I'm not crazy about how much power they use. The Incredible 4g has a qHD 4" screen, so it should look nice enough, and not use that much juice (compared to the 720p phones with 4.7" screens). Also importantly to me, it will be comfortable to stick in my pockets. I just don't watch movies or TV shows on my phone. Yeah, I've done it, just to do it. But, I've got more comfortable options... like our couch and plasma TV (or even our computers).
5. Integrated LTE on the chip? 4g speeds... less battery usage than current 4g phones... thaz awesome...
6. 1gig RAM... same as everything else out there...
7. Nice enough camera (same as ONE series)... Beats (meh whatever)... etc...
8. I do play games, to kill time on my phone, but I often tend to prefer the casual type puzzle games. High performance gaming isn't especially important to me, but still this phone should be nicely capable of playing most games very well.
I know this phone does not follow the "slim and sexy" trend that is happening in phone fashion. I just wonder if I am the only weirdo "anti-fashion" person out there. Plus it looks to be reasonably priced. Anybody else think this phone looks preferable than the other new options coming?
And most importantly... anybody think this phone will get good developer support? Just wondering how others view this phone...

I also approach my upgrade time (I think its in June) and as it approaches I'm paying more attention to what's out there. This new incredible seems to hit all the right spots. The only thing I wish it had wad a 720p screen. Qhd certainly isn't a deal breaker though.
I'm eagerly awaiting the announcement of the Incredible 4G. However I'm also waiting to see what the Galaxy S3 has to offer. I may end up waiting a little longer for that. I dont mind morw waiting as I love my incredible and its simply the best phone I've ever owned.
If my incredible broke today and I was offered an early upgrade id probably opt for a Razr Maxx.
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Div033 said:
I also approach my upgrade time (I think its in June) and as it approaches I'm paying more attention to what's out there. This new incredible seems to hit all the right spots. The only thing I wish it had wad a 720p screen. Qhd certainly isn't a deal breaker though.
I'm eagerly awaiting the announcement of the Incredible 4G. However I'm also waiting to see what the Galaxy S3 has to offer. I may end up waiting a little longer for that. I dont mind morw waiting as I love my incredible and its simply the best phone I've ever owned.
If my incredible broke today and I was offered an early upgrade id probably opt for a Razr Maxx.
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Does the early upgrade cost more ?
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Does the early upgrade cost more ?
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Can't tell ya. I've never been offered one!
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Does the early upgrade cost more ?
not exactly. early upgrade is an incentive.
verizon emailed me an early upgrade offer for 50 bucks off any new phone last week...
and today snail mailed me an offer for 100 dollars off.
they just want you contracting another 2 years... thats where the real money is at.

My upgrade was up the first of April, and I watched it go by. Honestly, for what I really do with the phone it just didn't make sense to drop the coin on something new that would meet or exceed some of my expectations but let me down in others.
One of the biggest drawbacks to most of these phones coming out (IMO....) is the size of em. Damn, if I wanted an Ipad, I'd buy the dang thing.... These new phones look beautiful but having to wear a hubcap around my waist because it won't fit in my pockets anymore, I just don't dig.
I have been so pleased with the first gen INC that when I heard the INC 4g was coming out, and the screen size, man, I said that's the ticket, faster, and still good size, removable batt, sd card, I'm in, I'm all in......

You raise a very good argument on the OP. The only thing I would need is a guarantee that Devs will get CM9 running on it. My Dinc right now is perfect with CM9.

Not sure how many Inc devs can or will get the Inc 4g due to all getting the rezound. And there's no guarantee of anything before its done. Most likely it will get cm9 but don't quote me on that.
And ics, while OK on the Inc is far from perfect. Camcorder and video don't work 100% on cm9. One of the reasons I got the nexus is to have the best initial support with ICS working smooth without any complex porting.
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I'm glad to see some people with something positive to say about this phone. There has been a lot of bad reaction out there for what ever reason. I suspect its people just not understanding about the processor. I've got an upgrade on the 25th, and this thing is supposed to hit the 26th. I'm pretty excited.
I'll probably use it the first month pretty much stock, and then start branching out as things become available. Also looking forward to CM9. I may keep a recovery around to play with and one for actual use with 100% function. If it doesn't come with a 32 gb class 10 sd card, that will be my first upgrade to it. Hoping they pack a nice battery in it.
I think as a OneS variant, there won't be too much difficulty finding devs to take interest.

dezignstuff said:
I'm glad to see some people with something positive to say about this phone. There has been a lot of bad reaction out there for what ever reason. I suspect its people just not understanding about the processor. I've got an upgrade on the 25th, and this thing is supposed to hit the 26th. I'm pretty excited.
I'll probably use it the first month pretty much stock, and then start branching out as things become available. Also looking forward to CM9. I may keep a recovery around to play with and one for actual use with 100% function. If it doesn't come with a 32 gb class 10 sd card, that will be my first upgrade to it. Hoping they pack a nice battery in it.
I think as a OneS variant, there won't be too much difficulty finding devs to take interest.
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Well we have 4 days til launch, almost 3, and we've received no word of demo units coming in. So unless they come in tomorrow, I'm doubting that April 26th launch. Perhaps that's when the demo units are coming in? I believe the leaked documents did say "Device workshop" on April 26th.(Although I'm not all too sure what that is). It definitely should be coming within the next two weeks if it misses that release date though.
This phone will certainly be the perfect phone for me when it comes out, if the rumored specs are true. Really hoping this phone gets good dev support too.

We've been discussing the Incredible 4G for a while over in this thread, and I'll repeat my overall opinion here: When this phone comes out it will be hands-down the best phone available on Verizon. All of the websites out there that call it mid-range are out of their minds.
Here are some thoughts I have on some of the OP's points:
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I thought the Incredible 4g was just a smaller Rezound. I was wrong. This processor is an improvement over phones like the Rezound and G Nexus.
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The processor is not the only improvement over the Rezound... there are so many more. The only reason people compare this phone to the Rezound is the aesthetic similarity. That's really the only thing these two phones have in common.
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It will have a removable battery
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That is likely, but not a given. Early reports were able to 100% confirm some things like "yes, it has a microSD slot." Those reports didn't come right out and say that the battery is removable though. But, they did say that the backplates are interchangeable, which is a good indication that we'll have battery access
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Nice enough camera (same as ONE series)
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The camera on the One series (and very very likely this phone too) is much better than "Nice enough". It is amazing. Engadget called the One S "the best Android cameraphone we've seen yet"
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It certainly wont be sexy... it's an Incredible. Have you seen these things?
That said, it will be slim and light. Probably not as much as the One S (because this one needs LTE and the One S probably has a little more room to stuff things because of the bigger screen), but the initial reports are that it is very thin and light.
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Anybody else think this phone looks preferable than the other new options coming?
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On Verizon, absolutely. There is nothing better. That is, as long as you are cool with the smaller screen size
The only reason not to get it is the screen size... A lot of people have been begging for a high-end 4" phone, and now they finally have one. That said, some people just "need" those mammoth 4.5+" screens. If you're one of the latter, then this phone is probably not the best bet.
For everyone else though, this will be the best phone you can get when it comes out... and the price is looking like it will cost less than the original incredible did at release, which is a bonus
the qHD resolution

Specs were leaked today on the droiddoes website. Phone will cost $299 with a contract.
1.2GHz dual-core processor
1GB RAM
Sense 4.0
4-inch Super LCD display at qHD resolution
Storage: 8 gigabytes internal, up to 32GB microSD card
Beats Audio
Pandora
Slacker Radio
8-megapixel rear-facing camera with flash
VGA front-facing camera
4G LTE hotspot
4-inch display
Size: 2.4 x 4.8 x 0.46 inchces
Weight: 4.66 ounces
Battery: 1700 mAh

Any word if the processor is the s4? I hate they were so vague with it
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Any word if the processor is the s4? I hate they were so vague with it
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It has to. There's no way they would release it without the S4 (at least, not for more than like 50 bucks)
Sidenote: I'm a bit bummed by the price. I never really believed the "$100 or $150" rumors, but I was hoping that Verizon would stop the $299 madness and go back to $199 that used to be the standard (and is becoming the standard again on other carriers... look at the new Evo for example)
Althought... the site was never really intended to go live... so maybe they just copied a template and hadn't actually finished with it... i.e. hadn't fixed the price yet.
And for anyone who wants to see the leak itsmefu was talking about...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/23/htc-droid-incredible-4g-lte/
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I hope that price is wrong like you said, I won't pay $330 for that phone. I would rather wait a while and get it a lot cheaper.

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It has to. There's no way they would release it without the S4 (at least, not for more than like 50 bucks)
Sidenote: I'm a bit bummed by the price. I never really believed the "$100 or $150" rumors, but I was hoping that Verizon would stop the $299 madness and go back to $199 that used to be the standard (and is becoming the standard again on other carriers... look at the new Evo for example)
Althought... the site was never really intended to go live... so maybe they just copied a template and hadn't actually finished with it... i.e. hadn't fixed the price yet.
And for anyone who wants to see the leak itsmefu was talking about...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/23/htc-droid-incredible-4g-lte/
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Despite that leaked page using the Moto template with all the "Droid" branding, I was happy to see that other sources indicate HTC/Verizon have dropped the "Droid" name from the new Inc

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Despite that leaked page using the Moto template with all the "Droid" branding, I was happy to see that other sources indicate HTC/Verizon have dropped the "Droid" name from the new Inc
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What other sources?

demarcmj said:
What other sources?
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I remember reading something yesterday but on searching again it appears they were basing that off of photos of device, and my "Droid" Inc doesn't actually have that name anywhere on it either. So nevermind that rumor for now. This link has the photos without the baseless speculation

boomn said:
I remember reading something yesterday but on searching again it appears they were basing that off of photos of device, and my "Droid" Inc doesn't actually have that name anywhere on it either. So nevermind that rumor for now. This link has the photos without the baseless speculation
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Oh, lol. Yea, I don't think even the Motoroloas actually put "Droid" on the device.

Thanks for the additional info demarcmj. I certainly am not any authority on this phone. If anything I said was untrue, it was unintentional. Mostly I was expressing my opinions about the phone specs, just for myself, and they way I would use it.
I'm glad you shared your thoughts and could bring better detailed info.
For example: The comment about the "nice enough" camera was a little tongue in cheek. It is an excellent camera, for a phone camera. I've got other gear for taking pictures. For me, the camera on my Dinc1 is "nice enough". I really only use it for scanning QR codes.
I'm pretty bummed about the $299 price tag, too. The One X is on ATT for $199.
The Incredible 4g (with its non-HD screen) is not going to sell many units at $299. That is craziness, Verizon.

Another new Phone release, Another Verizon failed launch.

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Richard Marx was right, Shoulda known better,
Sold my G2 thinking i would be able to pickup a new White Note 4.
The Note 3 launch was much better with plenty of devices in stock everywhere.
Looks like many of us wont see a White Note 4 until November!,
Rocking the wifes old GNEX with cracked screen is TORTURE! ha
(Actually gnex dev is still alive and well, some roms are actually pretty darn snappy!)
Now, im seeing that the VZW Variant might have mic holes in a different place than the rest of the variants..
This is enraging and Whoever designed and ok'ed these shenanigans should be found and turned into Eunuchs.
And As always, "With Verizon, always assume the worst. -jayochs"

correction : with Verizon, always assume the worst.
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correction : with Verizon, always assume the worst.
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Yes - Thank you ! you are absolutely correct sir.
post fixed.

Only online Verizon stills have white note 4.

Yeah I had initially pre order the white version, but because of a misunderstanding I ended on up canceling my order and getting the Black Note 4 in store on the 23rd since I knew that the White Note 4 wouldn't be released till around the first of the month, and I'm actually liking the Black one more than I had expected. Plus my last phone was a Galaxy S4 which was white.

deathshead said:
Richard Marx was right, Shoulda known better,
Sold my G2 thinking i would be able to pickup a new White Note 4.
The Note 3 launch was much better with plenty of devices in stock everywhere.
Looks like many of us wont see a White Note 4 until November!,
Rocking the wifes old GNEX with cracked screen is TORTURE! ha
(Actually gnex dev is still alive and well, some roms are actually pretty darn snappy!)
Now, im seeing that the VZW Variant might have mic holes in a different place than the rest of the variants..
This is enraging and Whoever designed and ok'ed these shenanigans should be found and turned into Eunuchs.
And As always, "With Verizon, always assume the worst. -jayochs"
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Please explain this "mic holes" thing. Is it normal for Samsung to manufacture a shell with mic holes in a different location for one provider?
I have Verizon. I used to have Sprint and Sprint was the worst thing in the world, or at least close. I went with Verizon because they had the best signal strength in most of the places that I used to live, and because the company I work at has a discount. But it seems that every post that I see is someone hating Verizon. I've moved now, and the signal isn't quite as good. My SGS3 seems to drop out more frequently in stores now. Because I'm not from this area, I talked to a few neighbors. Even the neighbor with AT&T told me to stay with Verizon unless I want a ton of dropped calls and lost text messages.

I most important reason why I stay with Verizon is the NETWORK...which is the most important for cell phone...unless you're an old man that live in one place and not going anywhere.

I got my white one last Thursday

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Yeah I had initially pre order the white version, but because of a misunderstanding I ended on up canceling my order and getting the Black Note 4 in store on the 23rd since I knew that the White Note 4 wouldn't be released till around the first of the month, and I'm actually liking the Black one more than I had expected. Plus my last phone was a Galaxy S4 which was white.
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Haha same story with me! Coming from a white s4. Wanted white note 4 got the black due to the shortage of white ones. Now I like it more than I thought. Still thinking of switching to white if it becomes available within my 14 days. If not, no big deal.
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buhohitr said:
I most important reason why I stay with Verizon is the NETWORK...which is the most important for cell phone...unless you're an old man that live in one place and not going anywhere.
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Same here, North Eastern PA, Nothing touches VZW for the network, and having UDP..
The mic holes thing i referring too was in regards to the other thread here, where the mic holes at the bottom of the device
are moved a few mm off from the rest of the variants, thus creating a case problem.
Verizon is well known for these types of shenanigans which drastically cuts down on accessories,
they did it with the gnex, the G2 (but DID offer qi charging as a bonus.) and not it seems the note 4.

My phone did not come with replacement S-Pen tips or the removal tool. Samsung and Verizon are trying to ping-pong me back and forth between each other. How freaking hard would it be to send me some.
I think I have a buddy with the note 4 that still has his tips from the note 3..should be the same?

nova + disabling samsung/verizon apps have mostly solved any software issues i was having. i am still going in on the root bounty though ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/general/bounty-verizon-note-4-root-whos-t2916685

ryan2215 said:
nova + disabling samsung/verizon apps have mostly solved any software issues i was having. i am still going in on the root bounty though ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/general/bounty-verizon-note-4-root-whos-t2916685
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Were you able to remove everything that you wanted gone? I was looking at a Verizon Note 4 in BB this afternoon, and there is a TON of crap on it. Of course it's a demo phone, so some of the stuff on it might not come on the phones that they sell.

My Verizon note 4 came with the extra tips and removal tool. You should ask who ever you bought it from if that is an issue.

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My Verizon note 4 came with the extra tips and removal tool. You should ask who ever you bought it from if that is an issue.
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^this. My vzw note 4 also came with tips/removal tool

usmaak said:
Were you able to remove everything that you wanted gone? I was looking at a Verizon Note 4 in BB this afternoon, and there is a TON of crap on it. Of course it's a demo phone, so some of the stuff on it might not come on the phones that they sell.
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There's a nifty feature where you can disable almost any app you would want gone. I disabled all the bloat and love my note 4

I went in today to pick up two Note 4s and obviously there weren't any in stock. The black one would come on Wed, the white one on Friday. I decided to just go ahead and do two white ones since it was only two days later. I was kind of shocked they didn't have anything in stock.

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Were you able to remove everything that you wanted gone? I was looking at a Verizon Note 4 in BB this afternoon, and there is a TON of crap on it. Of course it's a demo phone, so some of the stuff on it might not come on the phones that they sell.[/QUOTE
The Note4 allow you to turn off the system apps so no issue here. What I suggest you do is go into settings -> application-> running tab and see what's running and if you don't need them just slowly turn them off until only what you need are running. Just remember you only need to disable the app that run as a service where it consumes battery life and memory. Other apps are only running when you launch and a quick kill all tasks would shut them down permanently until you launch them again. You don't need to remove them since they take up not much space at all.
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Rippley05 said:
My phone did not come with replacement S-Pen tips or the removal tool. Samsung and Verizon are trying to ping-pong me back and forth between each other. How freaking hard would it be to send me some.
I think I have a buddy with the note 4 that still has his tips from the note 3..should be the same?
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Mine came with it n3 and n4. Let me check if they are the same from the look the tool is but haven't checked side by side yet.
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