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[q] will ota updates stop me getting root in future?

OK a nice simple one,
had my dhd a few weeks now very pleased with it. Am a massive fan of cyanogenmod roms, previously had a magic 32b and his roms were the best thing to happen to the phone, so am holding out for a cyanogenmod dhd rom - fingers crossed!
So if I install OTA updates will it stop me from getting root with S-OFF in the future. Golden rule of flashing anything (apart from backing up first!!) is not to update to the latest system software. Well this has always been the case with anyhing I have flashed in the past (psp, ps3, magic 32b, ipod, iphones etc...) is that also the case with the DHD?????
DHD on T-Mobile UK.

nop, its not like "apple" devices, you can install otas from htc and hack your device, the ota include some software issue that fix (bugs and so).
btw: if you have root and recovery - you will not get any OTA, the recovery blocks it,
but you will get it from your costom rom vision.

As I thought, same deal as my old magic 32b then. Still think i'm going to sit on the fence for a while an watch what roms get developed or ported over.
I just miss a few of the mods in CM roms, silly thing like being able to enter a custom field in the add contact menu. Im sure i'll get over it. Although I believe that was a wysie mod to the phone book.
Thanks for the quick response.
Just gotta say how nice this phone is after my magic 32b, its like upgarading the ram and processor on your PC, it flies!!

An afterthought,
it seems it would be sensible to install the first few OTA updates before rooting so any stock software bugs are fixed before you loose the ability to update OTA.
Unless of course you are flashing a custom ROM which I assume the devs would include the bugfixes within their ROMS.

Why dont you try the CM rom now and if you dont want to keep it unroot the phone ?

Its brilliant by the way

I didnt realise there was a CM rom for the DHD, i couldnt see a category on his site for the DHD

But I do see it on the first page here in the dev section. Very pleased CM for the DHD and the phone has only been out a short while!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844703

liorra3 said:
nop, its not like "apple" devices, you can install otas from htc and hack your device, the ota include some software issue that fix (bugs and so)...
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Untrue: OTAs can and surely will fix the exploit used to root our DHD. Once rooted, never install an OTA and wait for a custom rom with the fix(es).
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forelli said:
Untrue: OTAs can and surely will fix the exploit used to root our DHD. Once rooted, never install an OTA and wait for a custom rom with the fix(es).
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Although if they do screw us over it is still possible to restore an older ruu image and re-root. I have archived myself a copy of the original WWE just in case.

dr.m0x said:
Although if they do screw us over it is still possible to restore an older ruu image and re-root. I have archived myself a copy of the original WWE just in case.
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No, because they usually update the hboot, and when they do that, you're properly f#@&!d because Devs have to find a new exploit.
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forelli said:
No, because they usually update the hboot, and when they do that, you're properly f#@&!d because Devs have to find a new exploit.
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Couldn't you make a goldcard with sdk and a HxD hex editor??...then flash the ruu and you should be able to OTA..
Not as I see a need to do this as the Devs will always make new custom roms with the updated offical roms anyway..

[Q] Cannot Replace Stock Recovery With ClockworkMod Recovery

So I just got the droid 2 (had the droid 1). I bought this new phone and obviously wanted to root it like my old phone. See the ROMs that people have made, etc. I got root access and used root explorer to delete some system stuff (bloatware, etc.) and restarted and did that again (proving I had perm root). I flashed, or so I thought, the new recovery using rom manager and restarted holding x. Yeah... stock recovery. WTF? Am I missing something? Is my root broken? Bueller?!

Ou have to use droid 2 bootstrap
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so then how do you install a custom rom? everytime i try the update.zip method i get stuck in bootloops. if clockworkmod cant get into recovery then it cant do the update by its method (the easy method).

Ok, so I'm not sure what exactly is going on. Your stuck in a bootloop?
If so, then use the SBF to get back to factory stock. Follow the directions here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=770224
The link to the SBF there is broken i believe, but you can find it here:
hxxp://www.droid-life.com/2010/11/01/droid-2-sbf-released-for-2-3-20-update/ (replace xx with tt obviously)
Then reroot and instead of using ROM manager, just get Koush's bootstrap recovery to get to clockworkmod recovery. Once the apk is installed, hit bootstrap recovery, give su access, and then once it says successful, hit reboot recovery.
Be sure your ROM is on your sdcard.
Before you flash the ROM, you need to mount /data and /system. You also need to wipe data and cache (be sure you remount /data and /system after this)
Then go to install zip from sdcard. Then hit choose zip from sdcard. Find your ROM and flash away. Hope this helps

Forget what you know about the D1. The D2 is an entirely different device. Read the installs to roms don't just flash because you think you know how to do it. You can't use ROM manager without koush's bootstrap first. I've never had ROM manager ever because koush's bootstrap does everything you need to flash ROMs and what not on the D2 because moto locked it's bootloader.
Clockwork from the bootstrap won't take out stock recovery we can only access it after the phone boots a little then we can hijack the boot and get into clockwork.
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Will the bootloader ever be unlocked? I like being able to access nandroid without booting the phone. It gives me a sense of security. Damn moto for doing this. Why dont they allow rom hacking? Do they fear security issues or hidden exploits? ITS FREAKIN CREATIVITY. and its spawns new developers...

Well someone commented on a Motorola YouTube video about the locked bootloader, and Motorola told them if they want to load roms and the like to buy a different brand phone. Then Moto came out with an official statement saying they were sorry for the comment and that they will be looking into more dev friendly bootloaders in the future. I doubt the D2 will ever see this though. I'll bet it will only effect new phones.

Oh thats what that whole scandal was about. I heard about that. And the motorola spokesperson answered something like "buy a different phone cuz rooting isnt for this one". Could motorola possibly change the bootloader OTA? I would like them to...

Maxidax said:
Oh thats what that whole scandal was about. I heard about that. And the motorola spokesperson answered something like "buy a different phone cuz rooting isnt for this one". Could motorola possibly change the bootloader OTA? I would like them to...
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I'm not sure if they could, but I doubt they would
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Why is that? I mean a bootloader can't be that difficult to create. Especially if the idea is to make it more simple. On the other hand, does anyone think devolopers will unlock the bootloader?
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The bootloader will never be cracked. Period. And motorola may change it on future devices but its not gunna change on the x or 2. Like motorola said if you want to root and install roms get a different device.
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Now are you just being pessimistic or realistic? Why would it never be cracked? People probably thought that about nand lock at first...
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miketoasty said:
The bootloader will never be cracked. Period. And motorola may change it on future devices but its not gunna change on the x or 2. Like motorola said if you want to root and install roms get a different device.
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Well they got that part wrong. We can root and flash roms. Just can't do anything with kernels and the like.... truely sad to hold this device back like that...
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So in response I will rephrase my question. If we have come this far. Would you say that the Droid 2 is a project in progress or that developers have gone as far as they can.
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Maxidax said:
So in response I will rephrase my question. If we have come this far. Would you say that the Droid 2 is a project in progress or that developers have gone as far as they can.
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Well I'm not dev and have limited knowledge, but I would say there isn't too much more they can do besides refine their awesome ROMs. Hopefully in future devices, Motorola will give us a way to unlock the bootloader, or they could be loosing big business.

I think I might email fabulous or some other 2/X dev. I really would like to know if its just a software lock that hasn't been... well unlocked. Or something is actually virtually impossible to change. I really don't wanna switch services to get a nice slider android with a decent cpu.
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Maxidax said:
I think I might email fabulous or some other 2/X dev. I really would like to know if its just a software lock that hasn't been... well unlocked. Or something is actually virtually impossible to change. I really don't wanna switch services to get a nice slider android with a decent cpu.
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Motorola has actually put a chip called the "efuse" inside the phones that locks down the bootloader. They may be able to disable it through a firmware update, but I'm not sure.

Thanks for pointing me to efuse. That seems really annoying... I don't really see the benefit in using a chip like that. Outside of intentionally preventing unauthorized roms. How unfortunate...
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They probably do it to prevent idiots from attempting to mess with the phone's entrails (if you will) and then howling when they mess something up and demanding a free replacement phone.

true that. I would probably cry too if I didn't know how to sbf. I don't even see how its possible to "brick" a phone unless you're a dev that's actually creating something new. Its hard to hose your /system. This stupid locked bootloader does make it a bit more heartbreaking when you get a bootloop. I hate praying for the recovery after a battery pull... why can't I just hit "x"! :'(
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Urgent-Please Read.

DO NOT ACCEPT THE OTA AT THIS TIME WHETHER YOU ARE ROOTED OR NOT IF YOU HAVE ANY PLANS TO ROOT IN THE FUTURE. THE NEW BOOTLOADER IN THE OTA IS LOCKED. Is this a joke HTC?

Damn. Good looking out. Even though I don't plan on it, its good to know.

Already done but I don't root so bleh
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treckin said:
Already done but I don't root so bleh
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But its always nice to have the option.
The main way I see of getting around this in the future is by finding a way to downgrade hboot.

FACK!!

Too late for me..... I trusted HTC and I got stabbed in the back
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I thought they weren't locking the bootloaders anymore?
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RileyGrant said:
DO NOT ACCEPT THE OTA AT THIS TIME WHETHER YOU ARE ROOTED OR NOT IF YOU HAVE ANY PLANS TO ROOT IN THE FUTURE. THE NEW BOOTLOADER IN THE OTA IS LOCKED. Is this a joke HTC?
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When you say locked, do you mean locked in the same way that every other bootloader with the Evo has been? Locked in a way that can be cracked and rooted still?
OR
Do you mean they cryptographically signed it? (encrypted?)
If it's encrypted, then yes, I agree with you. WTF HTC??

I have seen people say they got into the bootloader to reinstall Amon Ra.....

HTC may have verbally negated their future bootloader policy, but this plus the Sense SDK, their Sense services and stores are just proof that they are out to create a psuedo propriety OS, Android ecosystem be damned.
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k2buckley said:
When you say locked, do you mean locked in the same way that every other bootloader with the Evo has been? Locked in a way that can be cracked and rooted still?
OR
Do you mean they cryptographically signed it? (encrypted?)
If it's encrypted, then yes, I agree with you. WTF HTC??
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From the looks of it, it looks to be a little more serious, post from Toast's twitter:
toastcfh:
@htc you promised us no more locked bootloaders and the EVO 4G OTA has a LOCKED bootloader? WHY?!
However the one thing we have going for us is that, unlike most instances involving devices with locked bootloaders, we have a number of older hackable bootloaders to fall back on. If hboot can be downgraded then that serves as a possible means of rooting once again.

HipKat said:
I have seen people say they got into the bootloader to reinstall Amon Ra.....
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Only because they took the OTA after they had already used Unrevoked forever. Therefore, S-off remained after the OTA (lucky for those guys who did that..) Since after the OTA they still had S-off (thanks to unrevoked forever), they were able to just reflash Amon Ra. They don't know how lucky there are.

screenshots or it didn't happen.

AbsolutZeroGI said:
screenshots or it didn't happen.
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lulz, there'sa few unlucky souls who reverted to stock then updated, maybe they'd give us a looksie?

RileyGrant said:
From the looks of it, it looks to be a little more serious, post from Toast's twitter:
toastcfh:
@htc you promised us no more locked bootloaders and the EVO 4G OTA has a LOCKED bootloader? WHY?!
However the one thing we have going for us is that, unlike most instances involving devices with locked bootloaders, we have a number of older hackable bootloaders to fall back on. If hboot can be downgraded then that serves as a possible means of rooting once again.
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Damn, that really sucks. This kind of makes me worried a little bit. This is right after they promised us no locked bootloaders, and here we are with a locked bootloader on the OTA. There really was no reason for them to even 'update' the bootloader, other than to lock it.
HTC better stick to what they said, especially with the Evo 3d

That's why never trust ota like that just be patient plus I believe virus already has this Rom rooted
Customized EVO

k2buckley said:
Only because they took the OTA after they had already used Unrevoked forever. Therefore, S-off remained after the OTA (lucky for those guys who did that..) Since after the OTA they still had S-off (thanks to unrevoked forever), they were able to just reflash Amon Ra. They don't know how lucky there are.
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Thats pretty smart. I can flash unrevoked forever in recovery right? And will unrevoked forever s-on undo it? Sorry, newb questions.

I think Samsung just won a customer. I wanted to wait for the Sensation but I'm going for the SGS II. Thanks for the info.
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The htc announcement was about a week ago. This OTA was most likely already in sprints hands when that was said. So, just give it some time i guess.

knowledge561 said:
Thats pretty smart. I can flash unrevoked forever in recovery right? And will unrevoked forever s-on undo it? Sorry, newb questions.
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Don't do that man. It's not worth even risking it. What if unrevoked forever didn't do it's job, and you ended up with S on, on an unrootable bootloader?
Just go to xHausx's thread and download and flash the rooted version of the rom. Screw taking it OTA, that's for people who don't root their phones (the general public and masses). For us who are rooted, we just download from XDA and flash. I cannot for the life of me understand people's obsession with wanting to take the 'official' OTA and risk breaking root, when you can just safely flash the same exact update, except it's been rooted. I don't get it.

[WIP]Temp-root Gingerbread EVOs

my evo is rooted already and i havent paid much atention since i got my 3d but was there an HBOOT update in the GB OTA as compared to the last Froyo 3.70?
If there wasnt, anyone should be able to a simple downgrade with a previous RUU and then use any of the working root methods for froyo.
just a thought i had while being bored.

Nope, new bootloader is locked. Cant downgrade.

EVOlvedAndroid said:
Nope, new bootloader is locked. Cant downgrade.
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so there was a bootloader update?

I really don't even know what to say anymore. I give up. Someone else can do it.

github said:
I really don't even know what to say anymore. I give up. Someone else can do it.
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+1 thats all i have to say about that

what about replacing the system.img in in the latest pc36img with one from the last froyo? if the bootloader stays intact it should flash the froyo sys image and then you could at lease have temp root

t3project said:
what about replacing the system.img in in the latest pc36img with one from the last froyo? if the bootloader stays intact it should flash the froyo sys image and then you could at lease have temp root
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The short version is there is no way around or tricking the bootloader. Pretty much every way imaginable to do this has been tried a bunch of times. We need to find a new exploit to get in. Several devs are working on it and itay happen soon. Seems to be more problematic than any one expected.

firket2000 said:
The short version is there is no way around or tricking the bootloader. Pretty much every way imaginable to do this has been tried a bunch of times. We need to find a new exploit to get in. Several devs are working on it and itay happen soon. Seems to be more problematic than any one expected.
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yes, but you're not tricking the bootloader. the bootloader remains the same. the sys image is all you are changing and the signatures should remain intact if it is pulled out of a froyo ruu. for that matter even try placing a rooted OTA sys image in it. this would not gain s-off but you could run a shell root and su if it would work.

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what about replacing the system.img in in the latest pc36img with one from the last froyo? if the bootloader stays intact it should flash the froyo sys image and then you could at lease have temp root
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As far as I understand, the new bootloader won't allow for downgrading or flashing anything that doesn't match HTCs signature....so modifying files is out of the question....
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what about replacing the system.img in in the latest pc36img with one from the last froyo? if the bootloader stays intact it should flash the froyo sys image and then you could at lease have temp root
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Can't do that, it would break HTC's signature and the bootloader would not accept it

I need to save this response in a text file so I can just copy and paste it every day.
You can't modify the contents of a RUU provided by HTC on an S-ON HBOOT. The zip is signed by HTC with their private key. The HBOOT has the public key. Changing just 1 bit on the zip will invalidate the private key and HBOOT won't allow it to flash. This is the reason for wanting S-OFF, so you can flash anything via HBOOT (Recovery, for example) without any signature checks.
You also can't downgrade the HBOOT, as it will give you an error about an earlier version.
All the obvious ideas have been tried, over and over again over the past few months since the new update hit.
If you are still confused, please see this article on Wikipedia about Public Key Cryptography.

Don't forget to add that goldcards and battery pull microsd swaps do not work either.

Well, eff. I switched back to Sprint and back to the EVO today after a (very unpleasant) experience with T-MO and the G2X, only to find out my brand new EVO is already on Gingerbread and can't be rooted, ruling out the best part about owning an EVO... all the awesome custom ROMs. Lovely.

There's been all types of shenanigans occurring trying to root this thing. Including physically planting in the ground. No root from that either. Appreciate where you're coming from and trying to help and all though

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Well, eff. I switched back to Sprint and back to the EVO today after a (very unpleasant) experience with T-MO and the G2X, only to find out my brand new EVO is already on Gingerbread and can't be rooted, ruling out the best part about owning an EVO... all the awesome custom ROMs. Lovely.
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Its being worked on right now so no worries
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I'm rooted but jw is there any news on when that source will be out?
My stupid friends at work wouldn't let me root their froyo and now want to pay me to root their gb I don't even want $ .
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[Poll] [S-OFF] Development

Hi,
Just wanted to see how much interest is there in getting S-OFF for our HTC One phones. I personally could use this for testing Tmobile radios on the HTC Dev Edition phones. What are some of your interest and thoughts about S-Off. Most importantly, why is it important to you?

Interest? Sure. Able to do it? No idea. The HoX is still locked up tight. And for most people, S-Off would just mean easier to flash kernels, ability to flash radios and downgrade HBOOT so that it says LOCKED instead of RELOCKED for warranty purposes.

ArmedandDangerous said:
Interest? Sure. Able to do it? No idea. The HoX is still locked up tight. And for most people, S-Off would just mean easier to flash kernels, ability to flash radios and downgrade HBOOT so that it says LOCKED instead of RELOCKED for warranty purposes.
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Could you please educate me more about the HoX? Thanks

Becool0130 said:
Could you please educate me more about the HoX? Thanks
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Most HTC devices now are S-On (at least the recently released ones from 2011-2013). What they do have though is an unlocked bootloader. That means you can install a custom recovery like CWRM or TWRP, and you can flash kernels through Fastboot. S-Off gives the ability to flash kernels from within the recovery (Fastboot requires a USB cable and a computer) and also the ability to flash radios.
With the HoX (HTC One X, and all phones unlocked through HTCDEV), when you unlock your bootloader it will say UNLOCKED (as opposed to Locked when stock). Relocking the bootloader will say RE-LOCKED, but not LOCKED. This means HTC can see that you have unlocked the bootloader and they can, and depending on luck, wil reject your warranty claim.
With S-Off we can overwrite the HBOOT and downgrade to an older version where it still says LOCKED, send that back for warranty and all will be well

Not sure about the Tegra3 version of the HOX, but the S3 version of the HOX has achieved S-OFF for awhile now. There is definitely interest in ALL HTC devices to achieve S-OFF. Just a matter of time before devs crack the code.

getting the Tmobile AWS radio to work on the dev version would be my top interest

illestfob said:
getting the Tmobile AWS radio to work on the dev version would be my top interest
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Don't hold your breath, I doubt this will work.

BenPope said:
Don't hold your breath, I doubt this will work.
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its a slight crap shoot, but i live in a refarmed area so it should be liveable until LTE gets turned on.
I usually restrict my current phone (G2) to only edge anyway to conserve battery life

I think the problem with the HTC One X was the fact that it was Tegra and not Qualcomm - most of the major players in s-off work with Qualcomm chips. I remember when I had the One X about a year ago - rumour had it that the likes of revolutionary didn't want to work with Tegra hardware.
Things might be better for the One.
Out of interest did the One S get s-off?

Well with big devs getting it like Steve Kondik (CM) Koushik Dutta (CWM) etc I think the dev support will be strong on this one

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Most HTC devices now are S-On (at least the recently released ones from 2011-2013). What they do have though is an unlocked bootloader. That means you can install a custom recovery like CWRM or TWRP, and you can flash kernels through Fastboot. S-Off gives the ability to flash kernels from within the recovery (Fastboot requires a USB cable and a computer) and also the ability to flash radios.
With the HoX (HTC One X, and all phones unlocked through HTCDEV), when you unlock your bootloader it will say UNLOCKED (as opposed to Locked when stock). Relocking the bootloader will say RE-LOCKED, but not LOCKED. This means HTC can see that you have unlocked the bootloader and they can, and depending on luck, wil reject your warranty claim.
With S-Off we can overwrite the HBOOT and downgrade to an older version where it still says LOCKED, send that back for warranty and all will be well
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Thanks for the education man! I really think we can get this one done though because it's from Qualcomm as opposed to Tegra right?
Anyways, s-off is extremely important for warranty purposes I see Guess I should return my developer edition back right?
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Why is this? I actually bought the developer phone for the sole purpose of this working on TMobile network 1700 3G. I'm not refarmed to 1900 yet which means Edge speeds -_-. Gotta give us some hope! Lol
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I think the problem with the HTC One X was the fact that it was Tegra and not Qualcomm - most of the major players in s-off work with Qualcomm chips. I remember when I had the One X about a year ago - rumour had it that the likes of revolutionary didn't want to work with Tegra hardware.
Things might be better for the One.
Out of interest did the One S get s-off?
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Good point! Qualcomm does seem fairly easy to hack with all the s3 and soon s4 out.
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ArmedandDangerous said:
Most HTC devices now are S-On (at least the recently released ones from 2011-2013). What they do have though is an unlocked bootloader. That means you can install a custom recovery like CWRM or TWRP, and you can flash kernels through Fastboot. S-Off gives the ability to flash kernels from within the recovery (Fastboot requires a USB cable and a computer) and also the ability to flash radios.
With the HoX (HTC One X, and all phones unlocked through HTCDEV), when you unlock your bootloader it will say UNLOCKED (as opposed to Locked when stock). Relocking the bootloader will say RE-LOCKED, but not LOCKED. This means HTC can see that you have unlocked the bootloader and they can, and depending on luck, wil reject your warranty claim.
With S-Off we can overwrite the HBOOT and downgrade to an older version where it still says LOCKED, send that back for warranty and all will be well
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Dont need s-off for Radios or flashing kernels through recovery. There is a work around for all of that. We can change radios and flash kernels through recovery on this HTC One. The Renovate rom says the kernel is flashed with the rom install. You can install radios by installing radio to different partition then symlink to the new radio. Turge will be posting more about it soon. For now here is the thread where i tested this for him. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2243159 So we should be able to test the tmobile radio soon enough.
And yeah it's the tegra devices that are having the hardest time with s-off. The ATT One X (qualcom) THe DNA are both s-off. Since this is also qualcom, i have high hopes for s-off soon. Although it is not as important as it once was.

nugzo said:
Dont need s-off for Radios or flashing kernels through recovery. There is a work around for all of that. We can change radios and flash kernels through recovery on this HTC One. The Renovate rom says the kernel is flashed with the rom install. You can install radios by installing radio to different partition then symlink to the new radio. Turge will be posting more about it soon. For now here is the thread where i tested this for him. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2243159 So we should be able to test the tmobile radio soon enough.
And yeah it's the tegra devices that are having the hardest time with s-off. The ATT One X (qualcom) THe DNA are both s-off. Since this is also qualcom, i have high hopes for s-off soon. Although it is not as important as it once was.
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I was mostly referring to the HoX, as mine is the Tegra one, and there is no workaround to flashing kernels or radios without ADB But yes I did read that on the One, it can be done through recovery although S-On. Would still love S-Off though for HBOOT downgrading

ArmedandDangerous said:
I was mostly referring to the HoX, as mine is the Tegra one, and there is no workaround to flashing kernels or radios without ADB But yes I did read that on the One, it can be done through recovery although S-On. Would still love S-Off though for HBOOT downgrading
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Yes i totally agree. S-off is what we all want. Just not as important as it once was.. :fingers-crossed: we'll get it. I'd even make a bet that we have it in less than 60 days from now I did see somewhere that there is a suprcid method being worked on also.. That would be great as well :good:

nugzo said:
Yes i totally agree. S-off is what we all want. Just not as important as it once was.. :fingers-crossed: we'll get it. I'd even make a bet that we have it in less than 60 days from now I did see somewhere that there is a suprcid method being worked on also.. That would be great as well :good:
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Just in time for me to wait out supply and batch issues from my telco, should start being available in early to mid May

First Android device I haven't rooted due to the Warranty issues with HTC ( How they are a right pain somtimes! ). Once S-OFF becomes available I will happily go ahead and unlock my boot loader etc. For now everything is fine without root

also would like super cid or S-off even better. to flash other region roms. INT RUUs etc . and we all know how ATT likes to software update HBOOT versions and no way to downgrade without S-OFF

nugzo said:
Dont need s-off for Radios or flashing kernels through recovery. There is a work around for all of that. We can change radios and flash kernels through recovery on this HTC One. The Renovate rom says the kernel is flashed with the rom install. You can install radios by installing radio to different partition then symlink to the new radio. Turge will be posting more about it soon. For now here is the thread where i tested this for him. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2243159 So we should be able to test the tmobile radio soon enough.
And yeah it's the tegra devices that are having the hardest time with s-off. The ATT One X (qualcom) THe DNA are both s-off. Since this is also qualcom, i have high hopes for s-off soon. Although it is not as important as it once was.
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Ha! There is hope to flashing radios without S-OFF. I wonder if we can get a developer to try to get T-Mobile radios and flash them over to our Developer Edition phones. Meh, essentially they are ATT Htc Ones without restrictions

daddioj said:
also would like super cid or S-off even better. to flash other region roms. INT RUUs etc . and we all know how ATT likes to software update HBOOT versions and no way to downgrade without S-OFF
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+1
BTW, I'm very curious what the cid is for the dev model.
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ArmedandDangerous said:
Interest? Sure. Able to do it? No idea. The HoX is still locked up tight. And for most people, S-Off would just mean easier to flash kernels, ability to flash radios and downgrade HBOOT so that it says LOCKED instead of RELOCKED for warranty purposes.
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That's not exactly true. Downgrading hboot will still be relocked. There is a "lock status flag" that must be reset in order to become locked again.
S off does remove write protection on mmcblk0p3 where the lock flag lives,allowing the user to reset it and become locked again. User S_trace initially figured out what was going on and posted a flashable zip file. We have modded the zip(removed the device check) and i have threads in several forums,titled [how to]reset your lock status flag if you'd like a little more info/detail. The flag thus far has been the same in all s3 and all dual/quad core s4 devices.
The fact that the radio partition is currently writeable from recovery,is likely a fluke that will be "fixed" with newer hboots,so I'd advise those of you that like this feature to not update
Even tho the radio itself can be chanaged,other firmware cannot. Thus the newer radios may not be optimized with the older firmware remaining on the phone.(read: the new radios may not be working as good as you think they are)
My personal interest in s off is to change cid,and eliminate the security checks that prevent other carrier/regional ruus from flashing,and from going backwards in firmware. I also like to change the splash image
I cannot truly enjoy an s on device,and won't get one unless some means of s off becomes available.
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