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Galaxy Note II Benchmarks leaked!?

Have a look at this guys..
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/20/did-the-galaxy-note-iis-impressive-benchmarks-briefly-get-leake/
What do you say? Everything looks just right, specswise Note II looks like a higher clocked and bigger S3, just like it was with the Note and S2. But the resolution could never be that, right?

sujal said:
Have a look at this guys..
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/20/did-the-galaxy-note-iis-impressive-benchmarks-briefly-get-leake/
What do you say? Everything looks just right, specswise Note II looks like a higher clocked and bigger S3, just like it was with the Note and S2. But the resolution could never be that, right?
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Good news and bad news for me. The bad news is im under 2 years contract i cannot uprade till another year.:crying:

jonpaslim said:
Good news and bad news for me. The bad news is im under 2 years contract i cannot uprade till another year.:crying:
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Glad we don't have these contracts here in India, gonna get it maybe within a month of it's launch!

sujal said:
Have a look at this guys..
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/20/did-the-galaxy-note-iis-impressive-benchmarks-briefly-get-leake/
What do you say? Everything looks just right, specswise Note II looks like a higher clocked and bigger S3, just like it was with the Note and S2. But the resolution could never be that, right?
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Considering the rumored increase in screen size to 5.5" and keeping the same form factor, the only way to achive that is to go for a 16:9 aspect ratio, compared to the current 16:10 screen. With that comes the "downgrade" from 800 pixels to 720 pixels.
The physical width of the screen will thus probably stay the same, maybe a bit wider, but the height will get a nice boost.
Hm, calculating the width and height, something doesn't seem right.
5.3" Note (16:10)
Screen area: 12.62"
Height: 4.49" (11.42 cm)
Width: 2.81" (7.13 cm)
Rumored 5.5" Note 2 (16:9)
Screen area: 12.92
Height: 4.8" (12.18 cm) (a bit taller)
Width: 2.69" (6.84 cm) (SLIMMER!)
If they go with a 16:9 screen and if they decide to keep the form factor the same, they could go for a screen display of at least 5.7" and still keep the casing the same.
If they however stick with a 5.5" screen size, 16:9 ratio and a reduced bazel, the note will get a almost 0.5cm slimmer

Well that settles it. I was hoping the Note II would have A15 architecture but instead it's just a larger SIII. I will wait til the Note III. I don't see the Exynos 4412 as worthy of upgrading to.

inurb said:
Well that settles it. I was hoping the Note II would have A15 architecture but instead it's just a larger SIII. I will wait til the Note III. I don't see the Exynos 4412 as worthy of upgrading to.
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It's unfortunate. I'm sure responsiveness will be a big increase as the quad core chip set will be better able to pump out all these pixels and the GPU will be an upgrade, too. But still..
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honf said:
Considering the rumored increase in screen size to 5.5" and keeping the same form factor, the only way to achive that is to go for a 16:9 aspect ratio, compared to the current 16:10 screen. With that comes the "downgrade" from 800 pixels to 720 pixels.
The physical width of the screen will thus probably stay the same, maybe a bit wider, but the height will get a nice boost.
Hm, calculating the width and height, something doesn't seem right.
5.3" Note (16:10)
Screen area: 12.62"
Height: 4.49" (11.42 cm)
Width: 2.81" (7.13 cm)
Rumored 5.5" Note 2 (16:9)
Screen area: 12.92
Height: 4.8" (12.18 cm) (a bit taller)
Width: 2.69" (6.84 cm) (SLIMMER!)
If they go with a 16:9 screen and if they decide to keep the form factor the same, they could go for a screen display of at least 5.7" and still keep the casing the same.
If they however stick with a 5.5" screen size, 16:9 ratio and a reduced bazel, the note will get a almost 0.5cm slimmer
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Always been bad at maths so it took me a while to get it but yeah I would love a slimmer and a bigger note II with the same 16:9 ratio..
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Yes...
I'm just waiting for it :]

16:9, mali-400 again, ¿ram?
if these are final specs, then go fcuk yourself samsung, I'll wait to Note 3 or the rumored bigger htc

16:9 would be a lot better.
I liked my AT&T Note, but it was too wide and the chipset wasn't powerful enough

Hope the resolution stays the same or higher. Web browsing is a lot easier with more vertical res. (phone horizontally obviously).
Don't have the current Note (have the original Galaxy S!), but will probably get the Note 2 when it is out. Perfect compromise between phone and tablet if you want both in one device IMO.

szqnl said:
Hope the resolution stays the same or higher. Web browsing is a lot easier with more vertical res. (phone horizontally obviously).
Don't have the current Note (have the original Galaxy S!), but will probably get the Note 2 when it is out. Perfect compromise between phone and tablet if you want both in one device IMO.
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Surely is..
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Some leaks online, looks like the NOTE 2 will be:
- officially revealed in 15th August
- available (international) in September-October period
- codename GT-N7100
- Android 4.0.4 with TouchWizz 5
- Have the same SoC as the SGS3 (Exynos 4412)
- Slightly overclocked cpu (1.6GHz) and gpu (Mali-400)
- Larger 2GB RAM
- Super Amoled Plus tech (not PenTile)
- 1280 x 720 resolution
- On-screen Navigation Buttons
- Slightly larger 5.5inch display
- Slightly Wider, Thinner, about the same Height.
- 12MP camera
- NFC
- Possibly bigger battery (between 2500 and 3200mAh)
... it's more like a NOTE1.5 or SGS 3.5 than anything else. I think its safe to "pass" on this, if you have the original NOTE.
This revelation isn't a shock to me, but a big disappointment since I was hoping for a genuine NOTE 2:
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Kangal said:
Some leaks online, looks like the NOTE 2 will be:
- officially revealed in 15th August
- available (international) in September-October period
- codename GT-N7100
- Android 4.0.4 with TouchWizz 5
- Have the same SoC as the SGS3 (Exynos 4412)
- Slightly overclocked cpu (1.6GHz) and gpu (Mali-400)
- Larger 2GB RAM
- Super Amoled Plus tech (not PenTile)
- 1280 x 720 resolution
- On-screen Navigation Buttons
- Slightly larger 5.5inch display
- Slightly Wider, Thinner, about the same Height.
- 12MP camera
- NFC
- Possibly bigger battery (between 2500 and 3200mAh)
... it's more like a NOTE1.5 or SGS 3.5 than anything else. I think its safe to "pass" on this, if you have the original NOTE.
This revelation isn't a shock to me, but a big disappointment since I was hoping for a genuine NOTE 2:
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If its gonna be quad core then I think it would most definitely have just a single GB of RAM. There won't be any on screen buttons, it would also be "designed for humans" like GSIII. Camera might just be 8MP with the same tech as SGIII. I rather think the screen would be pentile (galaxy nexus and GSIII both have pentile displays). Might be 4.0.4 but I would think they might even launch it with JB now that JB is officialy out.
To summarize, its gonna be a bigger S3.
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I enjoy my note.
But with those specs, I 'd rather go the Gnex + Nexus7 route. Google experience devices are a win win situation for anyone that doesn't need to be on the bleeding edge.

The only deciding factor for me would be slightly bigger screen size. And if it goes with 16:9 ratio with 5.5", it doesn't increase acutal screen area. So not much interested. Will wait for GSNote 3.

Come on guys, quad core and NFC alone is worth the upgrade!!

Sad... i dont like those specs ..

ipguy said:
Come on guys, quad core and NFC alone is worth the upgrade!!
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NFC is not that popular and Mali-400MP4 not that bleeding edge.
Gimme Exynos 5 Dual with ARM15 and a Mali-604 and I am game

Same screen resolution and same RAM amount == not worthy upgrade

[Mod Request]Major Challenging issue: the screen brightness lvls! on direct sunlight

One major Challenging issue, in my opinion,is the screen brightness levels
>>>especially on direct sunlight:
In this interesting link CNET has been doing Screens test of : Galaxy Note 2 vs. Apple iPhone 5
It would be GR8 if we can "custom control mega boost brightness" upon individual use....
and try to get close to iphone 5 outdoor brightness
Anyone willing to face the challenge
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I dont know why you misplaced the thread since I know you are a long time user, but pease do not do it again.
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This confirms my finding that Note 2 no longer has the "immeasurable" black levels like that in S1 and S2! They are more like this year's Panasonic Plasma TVs which is quite a disappointment as I have got used to the true blacks in S1 and S2 and they look quite gray and underwhelming in Note 2 even if latter has better accuracy and resolution. Also the viewing angles are significantly compromised with off axis bluish tint which dint exist in S1 or S2 either. Poor show Samsung!

Galaxy S4 mini

Samsung annonced officially, the Samsung Galaxy S4 mini.
it has 4.3" qHD disply, android 4.2.2 but with out most of the features of S4 (like no double shot, no 360 panorama), has S Health but with out S4 sensors like temperature sensor, barometer and humidity sensor
chipset is most likely Snapdragon 400 at 1.7Ghz with 1.5Gb of RAM and internal storage is 8Gb with Micro SD card slot for expanding it.
rest of connectivity options and usual, wifi, bluetooth,GPS with GLONASS etc...
also has IR blaster for remote controlling.
the phone has dimensions of 124.6 x 61.3 x 8.94mm and weighs 107g which is cool
battery is user replacable and is 1900mAh.
no word on pricing. samsung will show it off on June 20 and most likely to reveal pricing then.
available color options are Black Mist and White Frost.
i kinda like it except the qHD screen. it should have been at least 720p but all its success depends on its pricing.
what do u guys think?

The SIII Mini always struck me as a bit pointless, having neither the spec to appeal to those that like phones with a bit of muscle or the price point for those that want a decent phone on a budget. It didn't really satisfy anyone and I have a sneaky feeling we're going to see more of the same with this.

Definitely not more of the same, but then the s3 mini was especially useless. Rumors/leaks have the ATT version of the s4 mini at 720p (presumably pentile, but no confirmation). But gsmarena just confirmed that the version announced for europe is NOT pentile. It's got the same RGB s stripe as the Note 2. At 4.25" with qHD, it has a very respectable 259ppi that is at least as sharp as a Galaxy S3, and maybe slightly sharper. I'd almost as soon have RGB qHD as 720p pentile, so at least I know for sure what I'm getting. It comes with air view and multiwindow, which is kinda surprising.
http://www.androidbeat.com/2013/05/gs4-mini-720p/
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_mini-review-932.php
If this is $300, I'm gonna be very happy. If $350, I'm gonna be a little happy. If $400, I'm gonna be not very happy, but might get it anyway.

fortunz said:
Definitely not more of the same, but then the s3 mini was especially useless. Rumors/leaks have the ATT version of the s4 mini at 720p (presumably pentile, but no confirmation). But gsmarena just confirmed that the version announced for europe is NOT pentile. It's got the same RGB s stripe as the Note 2. At 4.25" with qHD, it has a very respectable 259ppi that is at least as sharp as a Galaxy S3, and maybe slightly sharper. I'd almost as soon have RGB qHD as 720p pentile, so at least I know for sure what I'm getting. It comes with air view and multiwindow, which is kinda surprising.
http://www.androidbeat.com/2013/05/gs4-mini-720p/
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_mini-review-932.php
If this is $300, I'm gonna be very happy. If $350, I'm gonna be a little happy. If $400, I'm gonna be not very happy, but might get it anyway.
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I saw it in a video (closely), and it's not as sharp as S3.
I don't know but it's clueless to compare the number of subpixels to say which is sharper.
With the lower ppi, Note 2 is still a little bit sharper than S3 because they scale it the same as S3 (by adjusting ppi) and no pentile effect on Note 2. But they cannot do the same on a smaller screen like S4 mini-

hung2900 said:
I saw it in a video (closely), and it's not as sharp as S3.
I don't know but it's clueless to compare the number of subpixels to say which is sharper.
With the lower ppi, Note 2 is still a little bit sharper than S3 because they scale it the same as S3 (by adjusting ppi) and no pentile effect on Note 2. But they cannot do the same on a smaller screen like S4 mini-
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It's clueless to think you can make a screen sharper through scaling (presumably, you meant adjusting "dpi"). And to claim subpixels have nothing to do with sharpness but still hail the Note 2's lack of a pentile effect as responsible for it's sharpness. What do you think the pentile effect is? And to think you can divine screen sharpness through an encoded web video. Trust me, you can't.
You can pixelate software elements through improper scaling, but you can't sharpen a low density screen through software scaling. For example if you zoom in enough (a form of 'scaling') on a small image even viewing it on a super sharp screen, yeah, it'll look bad, but that's not the screen's problem. If you've got a low density screen, the sharpest of images will look crappy no matter how you scale them. The S4 mini is sharp for the same reason the Note 2 looks sharp: because they share the same complete RGB matrix and almost the same density.
Pentile is nothing more or less than false advertising, a way of artificially inflating the raw spec. It's not the worst thing in the world, it just requires a much higher purported ppi to reach the same sharpness as an RGB matrix screen.

Again like the S3 mini, Samsung is trying to milk more money out of the S4 series but now targeting the mid-range side. Average consumers will probably buy this as there is an "S4" tag on it and is much cheaper than it's big brother.

fortunz said:
It's clueless to think you can make a screen sharper through scaling (presumably, you meant adjusting "dpi"). And to claim subpixels have nothing to do with sharpness but still hail the Note 2's lack of a pentile effect as responsible for it's sharpness. What do you think the pentile effect is? And to think you can divine screen sharpness through an encoded web video. Trust me, you can't.
You can pixelate software elements through improper scaling, but you can't sharpen a low density screen through software scaling. For example if you zoom in enough (a form of 'scaling') on a small image even viewing it on a super sharp screen, yeah, it'll look bad, but that's not the screen's problem. If you've got a low density screen, the sharpest of images will look crappy no matter how you scale them. The S4 mini is sharp for the same reason the Note 2 looks sharp: because they share the same complete RGB matrix and almost the same density.
Pentile is nothing more or less than false advertising, a way of artificially inflating the raw spec. It's not the worst thing in the world, it just requires a much higher purported ppi to reach the same sharpness as an RGB matrix screen.
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I don't think you understand my opinion, maybe due to my bad English. To say clearer, what I mean is the Note 2's screen's scale is basically the same as Galaxy S3 with the same 320 dpi - zooming from 4.8 to 5.55 inch. This means, a same font of texts, a word with a length of 120 pixels on S3 (1/6 of the total length) is still 120 pixels on Note 2 (also 1/6 of the total length), but 15.625% bigger in real-size (what you actually see). So is the result is what you can see clear on S3, you can see it CLEARER on Note 2. That's is the technichque Samsung usually implements, like on Note 8.0 that make it much more sharper than iPad mini in browsing. If we compare a same line of texts with 5mm of "real size", the result from a screen like One X basically has 18% more pixels to illustrate the detail of the text, which results in being clearer than Note 2. And if you really have a Note 2 (i'm using it), when visiting some websites in desktop mode (like xda forum, lol), the text is very small and not crisp anymore.
But how about Galaxy S4 Mini? "The S4 mini is sharp for the same reason the Note 2 looks sharp"? OK, now we will consider the same thing as Note 2 above. For a line of texts equivalent to 1/6 total length of the screen, it takes only 93.33 pixels, which means noticeably less than S3 and Note 2 with smaller "real size" also, so it cannot be as sharp as S3. And in fact, Samsung did rescale from 320dpi to 240 dpi on Galaxy S4 Mini, which also means for a same font of texts, the number of pixels for displaying increases about 15.3%, so from 93.33 pixels I said above now it is appox. 108 pixels, which is not too far from Galaxy S3, and the payoff is the screen is cramped. So we cannot say "because Note 2 is sharp so Galaxy S4 Mini is also sharp"
About Pentile screen, it is not totally "nothing more or less than false advertising", but more like "false understanding of the major and the misleading criticisms". Why? Because most of people don't understand what is "Pentile". In fact, this "technology" can ONLY be used on OLED (AMOLED) technogy, which has the uneven luminance and lumious time of different color subpixels. Even experts cannot show the "exactly" ppi of an Pentile Amoled screen (because even with Pentile, different stripes layout leads to different result), while some people try to do an easier way that comparing the total number of subpixels, which is totally false. In fact, Galaxy S4 has 623 subpixels/inch, slightly higher than Blackberry Z10 (615) and iPhone 5 (565), but it is MUCH more sharper and not really different from the normal RGB 1080p screen like Xperia Z.
With Pentile screen, the main culprit of all criticism is not the lack of subpixels, but the uneven scale of pixels (because they're not real pixels) and uneven big-small gaps redundant. That's why they call the subpixels layout of S4 is innovative while still Pentile, because it is much much better than the traditional matrix on Galaxy S3 and together with the high ppi reduces most of Pentile problem (in fact, with traditional matrix, even with 441 ppi probably there will be something there)

Does or can S4 Mini have stock or by a custom rom have Air & Motion gestures ??

AndyTimE said:
Does or can S4 Mini have stock or by a custom rom have Air & Motion gestures ??
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No, the sensor isn't there.

i wish this could be my next phone

I'm considering this too as my next phone.
Compact, powerful, enough RAM and a non-pentile qHD display.

mpokwsths said:
I'm considering this too as my next phone.
Compact, powerful, enough RAM and a non-pentile qHD display.
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It was recently announced that CM10.1 is being prepared for i9195 version. Is there any info of whether it will also be supported for i9190 international version (without LTE and NFC)?
I also suppose we need a separate ROOT thread for it as nor 9192 neither 9195 procedures might fit.

mpokwsths said:
I'm considering this too as my next phone.
Compact, powerful, enough RAM and a non-pentile qHD display.
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Me too
But only if i will find it around to 300€ in next months, and if there will be a good support on XDA

Hi Is there usb otg on galaxy s4 mini ?

KaptanJack026 said:
Hi Is there usb otg on galaxy s4 mini ?
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Not at the moment. MHL isn't supported either.
metaxaos said:
It was recently announced that CM10.1 is being prepared for i9195 version. Is there any info of whether it will also be supported for i9190 international version (without LTE and NFC)?
I also suppose we need a separate ROOT thread for it as nor 9192 neither 9195 procedures might fit.
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No info. There isn't a root for the 9190 yet - the 9192 and 9195 procedures do not work on the 9190 and will probably brick your device.

hello, does anyone know when this phone will be available in the usa? can not find any info on this
if this is in the wrong forum please move, thanks

Which phone should i buy? sIII or s4 mini

Get the S4 mini if you want to future-proof yourself.
The S3 mini specifications are quite outdated

Whosat said:
Get the S4 mini if you want to future-proof yourself.
The S3 mini specifications are quite outdated
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No, i said between the normal s3 4.7" and s4mini. S3is cheaper here and has more ROMs and development

soraxx said:
No, i said between the normal s3 4.7" and s4mini. S3is cheaper here and has more ROMs and development
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Hmm, you've mentioned the main benefit of getting the S3 I guess.
Also, the S3 has quad-core as opposed to the dual-core S4 mini. S3 has 1 GB of ram only though.
There are also more accessories for the S3 than for the S4 mini because the mini has a smaller market and is also a newer device.

HTC One Display - Luck of the Draw...

HTC did it again but worse. Last year displays were different in color temperature but maintained similar contrast. This year the difference in display calibration is worse.
Before receiving my own unit, I tested 2 devices in the shops. The first one had worse contrast and too low gamma (less punchy brightness transition from dark to light tones). I was disappointed with the display (let's call it Type A).
Later on, I went to another shop and the display looked gorgeous. Higher contrast, accurate gamma and more neutral greyscales (let's call it type B).
Today I received my unit and unfortunately, the display was Type A display. Here are the results of the "poorer display". Unlike last year, it is not possible to determine the actual display ID by looking this up in the last_ksmg file in the proc folder under the root. The access is denied. So unless we root a device, we cannot determine the display ID.
As can be seen below, the color temperature and greyscale accuracy is mediocre. Contrast is only average. Chromaticity overall is good but red is oversaturated.
Brightness: 503cd/m²
True Contrast: 1,000:1
Dynamic Contrast: 1378:1
White Color Temperature: 7395°K
Average Color Temperature: 7417°K
Note that on this display, the i1 Dislay pro used by many press reviewers will overestimate color temperature by 5.5% on this particular display. So if you see values around 7900°K, this is broadly equivalent to the 7,400°K that I (and Anandtech) measured. UK Harware review probably also had a Type A display however the contrat values are likely due to methodology.
Although I haven't tested extensively, I can already tell that the dynamic brightness adjustment is still taking place, though it works differently v. last year's implementation. This is why the contrast values observed in the press reviews very widely between 980:1 and over 2300:1!
I will be measuring Type B displays in the shops to nail down the differences based on the same methodology (100% Voodoo Test patterns).
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Color Space
Currently available reviews for the HTC One Display pending
Tests in English
25.03.2013 BGR GSMArena: 567cd/m² Brightness | 1,256:1 Contrast
26.03.2013 USA Anandtech: 497cd/m² Brightness | 1,300:1 Contrast | 7,341 Color Temperature (Delta E = 5.2)| Chromaticity: excelllent (Delta E = 3.87)
20.03.2013 GBR pcpro: Brightness not mentioned | 1,687:1 Contrast (measured with i1 Display Pro)
14.03.2013 GBR uk.hardware.info: 508cd/m² Brightness | Black Level: 0.2cd/m² | 2,541:1 Contrast | 7,856K Color Temperature (measured with i1 Display Pro)
25.03.2013 USA laptopmag: 447cd/m² Brightness | Chromaticity: Good (Delta E = 6.1)
German
20.03.2013 DEU Computerbase.de: Not yet published DTP94)
04.04.2013 DEU PC Welt 454cd/m² brightness | 2,555:1 contrast
31.03.2013 DEU Chip.de: 482cd/m² brightness | 1420:1 contrast
02.04.2013 DEU notebookcheck.com: Not yet published
Dutch
02.04.2013 NLD Tweakers.net: 505cd/m² | 1,624:1 contrast | 7,005 color temperature (Delta E = 7.7)| Excellent Chromaticity (Delta E = 4,78) (measured with i1 Display Pro)
Russian
26.02.2013 RUS 3dnews.ru: Not yet published (measured with Spyder 4)
03.04.2013 RUS [email protected] 486cd/m² brightness | 988:1 contrast (1300:1 dynamic) | 8,000K white temperature
French
03.04.2013 FRA Les Numériques 480cd/m² | Contrast 1279:1 | Chromaticity: good (Delta E = 4,5) (measured with i1 Pro or i1 Pro 2 tbc.)
02.02.2013 FRA 01.net 527cd/m² brightness | 2,509:1 contrast (measured with Konica Minolta CA-210)
For reference, here are the luminance ranges of the color testing devices listed above.
i1 pro__________________________ 0.20 cd/m² to 300 cd/m²
i1 pro 2_________________________0.20 cd/m² to 1200 cd/m²
Chroma 5/Sencore Color Pro V_______0.01 cd/m² 1000 cd/m²
Spider 3/4_______________________0.02 cd/m² 5000 cd/m²
i1 Display 2______________._____._.__0.02 cd/m² 3000 cd/m²
i1 Display 3/i1 Display Pro/C6___._____0.003 cd/m² 1200 cd/m²
Konica Minolta CA-210______________0.01cd/m² 1000 cd/m²

Apparently the HTC One's diplay latency is record breaking - measured at 46ms.
Source: Lesnumeriques.fr
It is not at the 1-20ms recommended by Microsoft but it is a great step forward considering the fact that modern devices barely go below 70ms. The previous record was held by the Note 3 with 67ms.
Newer devices:
Note 3: 67ms
LG G2: 110ms
iPhone 53: 75ms
Here is an overview for older devices:
It will be interesting to track the performance of other devices: S5, Z2, etc...
Source
Lesnumeriques.fr

Microsoft explained that high performance touch performance is becoming increasingly key aspect of a mobile device's user experience.
Microsoft report on Display latency
So it is certainly great News that the HTC One is getting closer to perfection.

Is the new M8 like the M7 having sharp and jdi as it's suppliers? I'm thinking mine is a jdi from comparison with my sharp M7.

robt772000 said:
Is the new M8 like the M7 having sharp and jdi as it's suppliers? I'm thinking mine is a jdi from comparison with my sharp M7.
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Their marketing said JDI. Sharp models came later in the year last year, early production were all JDI.

Guys how do you find the colours on the m8.... My reds are way over saturated... Is there a way to make them cooler?
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StickyGeko said:
Guys how do you find the colours on the m8.... My reds are way over saturated... Is there a way to make them cooler?
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The reds are not oversaturated. What you mean is the grey balance is too warm. Saturation and greyscale Balance are two different things.
None of the Displays on the M8 are overly warm. They are actually cooler than the norm. If you feel there is a red push, then probably you are coming from an AMOLED Display wich typically have more green and blue but is incorrect.

No.... What I mean is the reds are over saturated.... I have an n4.... The reds on my m8 are way off, side by side with n4, HTC 8s, nexus 7 and a galaxy tab3...m8 reds are way off, maybe I have a defective unit.... I just wanted to see if anyone else had the same issue
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StickyGeko said:
No.... What I mean is the reds are over saturated.... I have an n4.... The reds on my m8 are way off, side by side with n4, HTC 8s, nexus 7 and a galaxy tab3...m8 reds are way off, maybe I have a defective unit.... I just wanted to see if anyone else had the same issue
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Do you see that on the color red? What do you mean by reds are cooler?
Saturation has nothing to do with color temperature. It has to do with the intensity of the color, not ist hue (which can be shifted toward other colors). For example, a red that is too blue move slightly towards purple and a red that is too green moves slightly towards orange.
Hence my question. If you say your reds are too cool, then it must mean they are too purple.
Saturation means how intensive the color is. If the reds are undersaturated they move towards grey and if they are oversaturated, they move towards "more intense" red. Overaturation cannot be described as cooler but you said your reds were cooler, so probably you mean your color temperature is too cool, hence greys and intermediary colors are shifted towards blue?
As you can see from the Review listed above, the M8 can have color temperature that is on the cool side (>7000K), however this varies from unit to unit, last year color temperature varied from 6,500K to 8,000K with Color temperature decreasing over time (probably because the intensity of the blue pixels decreased faster before settling).
If you feel your display is too cool, it is not a defect, it is luck of the draw. Many people actually prefered the slightly bluer displays last year because they had slightly larger contrast.but also because most displays are cooler by nature (since sunlight is warm and will cancel out the coolness when looking at the display outdoor.
The N4 had excellent grey balance, so probably your eye got used to a more neutral display. Wait a little bit and see how your perception adjusts. If you really don't like it, then return your device and purchase another one...
So far only a few reviews measured color temperature, and the values ranged from 7000K (pretty neutral) to 8,000K (cool) but it is also possible that some displays will have lower temperature (it was the case last year). I will receive my device tomorrow, so I will let you know how my unit stacks up.

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No.... What I mean is the reds are over saturated.... I have an n4.... The reds on my m8 are way off, side by side with n4, HTC 8s, nexus 7 and a galaxy tab3...m8 reds are way off, maybe I have a defective unit.... I just wanted to see if anyone else had the same issue
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Based on my test above, the reds are indeed oversaturated and the display is on the cool side, but both are independent. The reds can be oversaturated without being cool and the display can be cool without oversaturated reds.

Added my own detailed review of the display to the original post.

@puremind do you keep in mind that the M7/M8 feature dynamic contrast? maybe that's what's affecting the results?

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@puremind do you keep in mind that the M7/M8 feature dynamic contrast? maybe that's what's affecting the results?
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Dynamic contrast is only affecting constrast, not color temperature. I noted that in my post (and also under one of the Russian tests in my list) and the the contrast is 1,000:1 vs 1,300:1 dynamic.
Still these results are not so good on the Type A display.
Also I did compare two units in store, so I can really tell one unit had a much much better display. Last year displays were broadly equivalent except for brightness but this year the Type A display is quite poor (by my picky standards) and cannot compete with Samsung S5's Display. The 2.1 gamma means intermediary colors are a bit washed out. The display is not punchy and has no depth. So be careful what you get! My unit will go back. This is the display type tested by Anandtech, as they noted the same issues.

How do we determine what screen we have?
If reds don't appear to be over saturated can we assume we have the type B screen?

Yea i noticed different feedback about the screen as well...sigh

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How do we determine what screen we have?
If reds don't appear to be over saturated can we assume we have the type B screen?
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Red oversaturation is not the most visible aspect. The lack of punchiness and slightly washed out intermediary colors and lack of contrast is easier to spot.
When I am back from London I will measure type B and I expect to see correct gamma and higher contrast.
If you have rooted your phone you can use ES explorer or root explorer to view the last_ksmg file in the root's proc folder. If you look for Display ID you should find it there. It will likely say JDI something or Sharp something.
However it is not guaranteed that the display manufacturer will be different as JDI have a track record of having wide variance in terms of display characteristics. Still the displays are different enough that they could be from different manufacturers.
If anyone has access to a rooted device and can do the test it would be very helpful. Please comment what your subjective impression of the screen is and provide your display ID.

puremind said:
Red oversaturation is not the most visible aspect. The lack of punchiness and slightly washed out intermediary colors and lack of contrast is easier to spot.
When I am back from London I will measure type B and I expect to see correct gamma and higher contrast.
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Thank you,
Could you also take pictures comparing the two models if possible?
Without context it is slightly difficult to determine what exactly constitutes "lack of punchiness and slightly washed out intermediary colors and lack of contrast."
Sorry - I'm not a bit of a noob when it comes to displays and colors!

Maedhros said:
Thank you,
Could you also take pictures comparing the two models if possible?
Without context it is slightly difficult to determine what exactly constitutes "lack of punchiness and slightly washed out intermediary colors and lack of contrast."
Sorry - I'm not a bit of a noob when it comes to displays and colors!
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I don't posses both units. The other display type is in store and I am traveling to London the whole week. If I spot a good display at the airport or somewhere else I can shoot a comparison.

This is what I have ... Singapore Grey variant
mdss_dsi_panel_init: Panel Name = m8 1080p sharp/NT35595 cmd mode dsi panel
mdss_dsi_panel_init:1006 Continuous splash flag not found.
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And another place name mentioned as "mdss_dsi_m8_sharp_novatek_35595_1080p"
To my naked eyes, it looks ok but little on the warm side (yellowish whites)

Sony have the best solution to this. You can change the colour balance in normal settings.
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Note 20 Ultra Less Vivid & Less Bright than Note 20

Recently famous tech review channel "Unbox Therapy" posted a first impressions unboxing video of the Note 20 and Note 20 Ultra.
While comparing the 2 devices he happened to noticed when comparing the 2 models that the display of the ULTRA was way LESS vivid and LESS bright than the STANDARD Note 20.
He confirmed both were set to 100% brightness, both had adaptive brightness OFF, both were set to Vivid Screen Mode, and both had the white point in the center.
You can view the video and see the difference yourself in the video here....
Time stamp 8:50 if you just want to jump right when he realizes the display difference between them, and starts to troubleshoot this strange difference.
I was planning on potentially preordering the Note 20 Ultra so this really bothered me since I prefer a Vivid display. It shows on video he checked every setting except "Adaptive Color Filter" and "Enhanced Video."
My Testing and Results
So I knew I had to go to the store to see for myself and I went to Best Buy today and they had both the Note 20 & Note 20 Ultra on display.
Bad news... SAME exact results that Lew from Unbox Therapy had. See the pictures of all settings and testing I did below.
In all pictures the Note 20 Ultra is on the Left, the Standard Note 20 on the Right.
Brightness at Max for both displays, and Adaptive Brightness disabled for both devices, and Blue Light Filter disabled for both devices, and both devices set to Vivid mode.
Display Settings
Adaptive Color was also disabled on both devices.
Adaptive Color Filter
Notice the Standard Note 20 on the right has a brighter white point.
White Balance Comparison
This is a 4K UHD wallpaper I downloaded onto both devices. It's the exact same image from the same website. Notice that the Standard Note 20 on the right has more Vivid looking colors with better contrast.
Color Comparison
CONCLUSION:
After spending literally 30+ minutes standing there playing around with both phones, it seems the brightness is pretty close to the same on both. But the Standard Note 20 did seem to have a slight edge on 100% brightness. However the main big difference is the Standard Note 20 has more Vivid colors and Higher Contrast.
I do not think this is because the Note 20 Ultra display is not able to produce colors and contrast as Vivid as the Regular Note 20. I believe it just has to do with the display calibration in the hard coded software of the Ultra that is causing the colors to be more Natural than Vivid.
I came to the conclusion it was a software issue when I was watching the same YouTube video on both displays (Video Enhancer was disabled for both devices), and when playing the video the Ultra suddenly kicked into a more Vivid mode making it look nearly identical to the Regular Note.
Then when closing out of the video and to the YouTube home page it went back to a more Natural color and less contrast mode. Of course that was strange since video enhancer was disabled for both devices.
So this proves the display is capable of being Vivid with High Contrast, but just something in software that Samsung needs to calibrate in the Ultra model. Or maybe worse... potentially this was intentional by Samsung to help preserve battery since it is a 120hz display?
So Samsung needs to.... 1.) Crank up the Vividness of the Vivid mode to at least be Equal to the Standard Note and 2.) Fix video enhancement from turning on during YouTube videos when it's disabled in settings.
So I'm holding off to make a decision on whether to preorder or not since there is still about 12 days left. Meanwhile I hope that they push out a early release software update to fix the Vivid color profile on the Ultra. This is technically preproduction software so it COULD change with a software update, but there's of course no guarantee Samsung will fix this.
So if you prefer a Vivid display that Samsung is typically known for, then it is up to us as consumers to bring this to the attention of Samsung and popular Tech Reviewers, because Samsung doesn't know to fix this color calibration in software unless we make noise to let them know we want a Vivid display.
What is everyone's thoughts on this? Would this be a deal breaker for you on a $1,300 phone if the Vivid Colors and Contrast is noticeably less when compared to your Note 10+ or your S10/S10+ or S20/S20+? or do you prefer a more natural less vivid display?
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Hopefully also @dylanraga does a detailed display test on the Note 20 Ultra just like the awesome job he did with the OnePlus 8 Pro right here. That way we can see the actual technical results to further our evidence to bring to Samsung's attention.
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Further Confirmation of This Issue....
I asked Hayato Huseman (videographer/reviewer at Android Central) if he could check his Note 20 Ultra device. He did not have a regular Note 20 to compare, but confirmed the Note 20 Ultra is LESS Vivid than the S20 Ultra.
So that means people upgrading from a previous Galaxy will potentially be upgrading to a Less Vivid display in the Note 20 Ultra.
Very interesting and disappointing results for me personally. So now Unbox Therapy, and now Hayato from Android Central, and my personal testing have all confirmed the Note 20 Ultra isn't as Vivid as standard Note or Galaxys. I'm hoping a software update gets pushed out to resolve this.
Here is the Tweet where Hayato confirms this comparison if anyone wants to check it out.
https://twitter.com/hayatohuseman/status/1292588939195318273?s=19
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New Update!!! Some Note 20 Ultras might have dimmer and less vibrant display than other Note 20 Ultras.
This entire post was originally dedicated to the Note 20 Ultra having a less bright and less vivid display than the standard Note 20, and even the Note 10 Plus, Note 9, Note 8, S20/S20+/S20 Ultra, and OnePlus 8 Pro.
However this issue just took a more crazy turn for the worse. Now it has been discovered that some Note 20 Ultra phones have dimmer less vibrant displays than other Note 20 Ultra phones. Thats right... 2 of the same phones with [different looking displays. This was discovered thanks to Zack at JerryRigEverything YouTube channel when he was testing the 2 different processors.
Check out his video here
At time stamp 4:05 he says... "You might have also noticed the screen color is a bit different with both phones. I'm pretty sure I have the brightness turned up all the way on each. But it makes you wonder if there are other components that don't match up between the variants as well."
I have also attached a picture on page 6 of a post to show the difference. My Note 20 Ultra is a US Snapdragon variant and my display looks like the display on the left (Zach's exynos). I also noticed today that adaptive brightness is NOT fully turning off. I thought a few times over the past couple weeks I saw my display suddenly get brighter or dimmer. But I figured it was just my imagination because I always keep the adaptive brightness off.
However I am able to consistently reproduce it. If I put the brightness at 100% with adaptive brightness Off, then open chrome, the phone immediately dims 1 second after. Then brightens back at the home screen. Try it on your phone. Maybe the out of wack adaptive brightness is a separate issue, or maybe this could be the culprit to these dimmer less vivid displays. So I wanted to mention it too.
I also was able to reproduce it in a different scenario by putting my phone inches away from a bright light in my bathroom while on 100% manual brightness, notice it get brighter without me touching anything, then take it away from the light quickly, then see it dim right in front of my face. Looks like its dropping a solid 20% brightness but the slider doesn't change position. Still shows 100%!
Please test those 2 scenarios on your phone let everyone know if it happens to you too. Also if someone happens to have 2 Note 20 Ultras or know someone who does, then please compare the displays and post 2 pictures. One showing the 2 displays on the google.com homepage in chrome and 1 showing the display section in settings.
Anyone who had a noticeably dimmer display than 1 of your previous Samsung phones made in the past 2 years, then please contact Samsung support and report this. I will be contacting them for the first time about this issue and pushing them for a resolution. Even if that means exchanging for another Note 20 Ultra.

I prefer a more natural looking display like my iPhone LOL.
However, I agree, if someone WANTS inaccurate oversaturated colors then it should be available to them.
That is why stereos have bass and treble controls.

Honestly not real worried about it. Unless you have both side by side shouldn't ever notice. Now if it doesn't look better then my note 10+ then we will have a problem
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At 60hz it's more easy to calibrate the screen colour than a 120hz since there is more variables. That's why Pixel 4 XL has problems at lower brightness at launch since it wasn't calibrated.

Did you disable enhanced video mode on both of them?

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Did you disable enhanced video mode on both of them?
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Yep! I mention that in my original post. Read in the conclusion section.
Also the picture of me comparing colors is not a video. That is a downloaded a wallpaper. So even if it was turned on, that setting should not affect pictures to my knowledge.

cpufrost said:
I prefer a more natural looking display like my iPhone LOL.
However, I agree, if someone WANTS inaccurate oversaturated colors then it should be available to them.
That is why stereos have bass and treble controls.
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Yes! Exactly!! Everyone has different preferences. The option should be there for those who want. Plus what's the point of having a vivid display option when it's not that vivid? That kind of defeats the purpose of the setting existing.
Plus Samsung says on their website that the Ultra is the most Vivid display on any Galaxy. Clearly that's not the case when comparing it to the standard Note 20. Since their website claims it's supposed to be the most vivid, that indicates the Ultra display is not supposed to be this way and something might be messed up in the software that is preventing it from being as vivid as they claim it should be, so they just need to roll out an update to fix it.

oneandroidnut said:
Honestly not real worried about it. Unless you have both side by side shouldn't ever notice. Now if it doesn't look better then my note 10+ then we will have a problem
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It's definitely not more vivid than my S10+ but I didn't take any pictures of that. It seems to be about the same Vividness as my S10+ which is strange.
Not sure about the Note 10+ but probably same results since it wasn't more Vivid than my S10+. I highly recommend going to compare it to your Note 10+ in person.

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At 60hz it's more easy to calibrate the screen colour than a 120hz since there is more variables. That's why Pixel 4 XL has problems at lower brightness at launch since it wasn't calibrated.
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Good point! I actually did briefly put the Note 20 Ultra into 60hz then compared again. I got the same results. Still not as Vivid as the Standard Note 20. I just didn't mention it in my original post because results were the same as using 120hz from what I could tell.

Could it be as simple as pre-release software, or unlikely?
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Could it be as simple as pre-release software, or unlikely?
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Yes, that could definitely be the problem. That it's a bug in their pre-production software that Samsung have not yet noticed.
If you read my conclusion section in my original post I talk about why my testing indicated it seemed to be a software calibration problem and not a problem with the physical display panel.
So that's good, it means they could push out an update to fix it later. Of course there is no guarantee. They will likely only do that if several consumers complain about this issue of the Ultra not being very Vivid in the Vivid display mode.

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Yes, that could definitely be the problem. That it's a bug in their pre-production software that Samsung have not yet noticed.
If you read my conclusion section in my original post I talk about why my testing indicated it seemed to be a software calibration problem and not a problem with the physical display panel.
So that's good, it means they could push out an update to fix it later. Of course there is no guarantee. They will likely only do that if several consumers complain about this issue of the Ultra not being very Vivid in the Vivid display mode.
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I did read your whole post, I just needed it dumbed down for myself.
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I did read your whole post, I just needed it dumbed down for myself.
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Lol! Okay fair enough! Although what I worry about the most is they are doing this limit on Vividness to save battery. In which case means they would not fix it.
The only reason I don't think that it's on purpose is because they claim on their website the Ultra display is the most Vivid Galaxy ever.

I assume it's the flat screen? Or maybe not the 2x? I don't know what that means on the ultra
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I asked Hayato Huseman (videographer/reviewer at Android Central) if he could check his Note 20 Ultra device. He did not have a regular Note 20 to compare, but confirmed the Note 20 Ultra is LESS Vivid than the S20 Ultra.
So that means people upgrading from an S20 or S10 will potentially be upgrading to a Less Vivid display in the Note 20 Ultra.
Very interesting and disappointing results for me personally. So now Unbox Therapy, and my in store comparison testing, and Hayato from Android Crntral have all confirmed the Note 20 Ultra isn't very Vivid. I'm hoping a software update gets pushed out to resolve this.
Here is the Tweet where Hayato confirms this comparison if anyone wants to check it out.
https://twitter.com/hayatohuseman/status/1292588939195318273?s=19

I saw that review from Unbox Therapy (He is really my favorite reviewer - funny but very informative)
Anyway - like virtually all of the Samsung Devices I have ordered pre-orders for (virtually every single major release since the S4 I think) I have gotten sort of used to these little faux pas on their major releases - the last phone, Galaxy 20 Ultra had the notorious problems with Auto Focus....and just about every other phone they launched had something that eventually was fixed - so anyway, I kind of expect something to happen each time a new samsung phone is released - while I am not super happy that this appears to be going to happen again with the new note, it seems like it should be relatively easy to fix with an update, once Samsung figures it out...and I do expect they will find and fix it pretty soon.
Thankfully, it doesn't appear to be as big as the battery issues of the Note 7 or the Auto Focus of the S20....Fingers Crossed it gets fixed soon after release...

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I assume it's the flat screen? Or maybe not the 2x? I don't know what that means on the ultra
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No, a flat screen would not make a display more Vivid if that is what you're wondering. There has been many curved Samsung displays that were Vivid.
I don't know what you mean by "the 2x" what are you referring to? Where did you see that?

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No, a flat screen would not make a display more Vivid if that is what you're wondering. There has been many curved Samsung displays that were Vivid.
I don't know what you mean by "the 2x" what are you referring to? Where did you see that?
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Straight from Samsung website. I thought maybe it meant twice the refresh but then it still says 120 hz so idk
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I saw that review from Unbox Therapy (He is really my favorite reviewer - funny but very informative)
Anyway - like virtually all of the Samsung Devices I have ordered pre-orders for (virtually every single major release since the S4 I think) I have gotten sort of used to these little faux pas on their major releases - the last phone, Galaxy 20 Ultra had the notorious problems with Auto Focus....and just about every other phone they launched had something that eventually was fixed - so anyway, I kind of expect something to happen each time a new samsung phone is released - while I am not super happy that this appears to be going to happen again with the new note, it seems like it should be relatively easy to fix with an update, once Samsung figures it out...and I do expect they will find and fix it pretty soon.
Thankfully, it doesn't appear to be as big as the battery issues of the Note 7 or the Auto Focus of the S20....Fingers Crossed it gets fixed soon after release...
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I love how optimistic you are! I hope you're right! Still gonna hold off on the preorder until reviews start to come out over the next few days. Then make my final decision.
Hopefully a reviewer with close connections to Samsung brings it to their attention, so then we can get confirmation they are aware of the issue and working to fix it. Then I will feel better about pre-ordering. I really hope it is fixed, because it seems like the perfect phone in every other way besides this.

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Straight from Samsung website. I thought maybe it meant twice the refresh but then it still says 120 hz so idk
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Ah Okay I see. I'm not really sure either. I searched that on Google and the display on the S20 Ultra was also called that. I think it's Samsung's way of saying like version 2 of their Dynamic AMOLED. But not sure either. Couldn't really find any explanation.