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Display sizes: what size is best for you and why knowing the diagonal is not enough?

Have you ever wondered why the Galaxy SII’s and the Sensation’s displays, though both claim a 4,3” diagonal, do not look and feel to be equally sized?
The answer is the aspect ratio.
In the example above, the Galaxy SII comes with a ratio while the Sensation comes with a fully wide screen.
With the phone displays becoming bigger and bigger, I have a feeling that a lot of people would like to know what to expect from one of these new cool models. In this thread you can find the width of a screen in cm given its diagonal length and its aspect ratio.
And while from the latest device announcements it’s obvious that we are moving to an all-wide world, this is still not always the case, thus it can be useful to know where each phone stands in terms of display width (which can help you determine if a screen is too narrow or too wide for your fingers to comfortably type).
The following chart is trying to summarize the most usual screen ratios and includes the resolutions that have been used (at least to my knowledge, if I’m missing something thanks in advance for letting me know).
For each combination of ratio and diagonal length, you get the screen width and a few devices with such a screen.
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This chart explains for instance why the iPhones, though featuring only 3,5” displays actually offer enough space for most people to comfortably type, while phones like the ZTE Blade or the SonyEricsson Experia Neo V do not offer as much space (though they feature a 3,5” or 3,7” display respectively, it is too wide resulting in limited width).
As far as it concerns me, I find the new 4,65" phones too wide for my taste. I type perfectly fine with my Optimus 2X, though I would probably prefer a screen like the HTC Sensation's one (slightly wider and a lot longer).
But adding almost half a cm of width would mean that when typing with one hand I won't be able to reach the far side of the virtual keyboard on portrait mode.... Thus it would be a problem.
What do you think?

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Can u Xplain to me what exactly Aspect Ratio is? I just Cant understand why Desire HD Screen is wider and bigger than Sensations one...thx

bconover93 said:
My Motorola Backflip is 3.1" and 480x320. Don't forget to add that.
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It's not really a screen size that you see in new devices today, but I'll do it if I remember over the weekend.
Real Madrid C.F said:
Can u Xplain to me what exactly Aspect Ratio is? I just Cant understand why Desire HD Screen is wider and bigger than Sensations one...thx
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Wider yes, bigger no (you have to define bigger first).
They both have a diagonal length of 4,3", which means that the distance from any corner to its opposite is the same.
The difference is that in the case of the HD, the width has increased in the expense of the length. In other words, one dimension got a bit bigger, the other one got a bit smaller, so at the end, the distance between to opposite corners remained the same.

I think 4 inch more long/less wide phone is the perfect size
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I have a Nokia C7 and an iPhone 4S
both have 3.5" screen but different aspect ratio
C7 will drive you nuts because of the keyboard if you have a gigantic
fingers like me you will lose your mind typing
but it is an eyecandy when you watch movies because of its 16:9 ratio
I also have HTC Sensation XE though its best for watching movies as well
I prefer the iPhone for typing its keyboard is well spaced

I have to Galaxy Note (Int.version) so 5.3" is my size. It's the perfect size for me, and i can't go back to 4.3 or smaller again. No sir. So i'll have to wait for the Note 2 when it's time for an upgrade.

I possess both an HTC sensation which featured a 4.3 inch less wide and more long display.
It feels good to be in hand, while watching movies and viseos . Typing becomes an issue but as you get used to it, it becomes so smooth that you might not even see swype.
On the other hand I have a Samsung galaxy sl which is similar to Samsung galaxy S. 4 inch super display. Typing is more easy for newbies on non- widescreen display as this. Even watching movies is OK,but sensation or Galaxy S3 and htc one X is obviously best for watching videos and HD gaming.
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Best not forget the galaxy note with its 1280x800 5.3 inch display. Personally, I prefer 8:5 ratios with screen sizes as big as possible. 1920x1200 is the max for a tablet, 1280x800, max for a phone. Any higher and it's overkill and unneeded pixels. Those two resolutions are perfect for including a soft button set without having to resize standard videos in 1920x1080 and 1280x720.

i think a good dimension goes from 4.0 to 4.5 inches...for normal use and comfort/practice something bigger wont fit in my jeans xD
my fav would be 4.3 inches and 800x480

Well, the latest Motorolas prove that the bezel is the next frontier.
E.g.
My Optimus 2X has a 4" display at 15:9 ratio, so it is 5,23cm wide.
The Razr M has a 4,3" display at 16:10 ratio, so it is 5,35cm wide.
But the Optimus 2X itself is 6,32cm wide while the Razr M is 6,09 cm wide.
With such a bezel I would consider a 4,5" phone (at 16:10 of course) because it could be slightly more wide than my Optimus 2X, while giving me so much more useful space!
Taurenking said:
my fav would be 4.3 inches and 800x480
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Come on, 480x800 (or any 15:10 ratio) is lame.
You need to be 16:10 nowadays. Even Apple had to admit defeat on this.

Dimitris CH said:
Well, the latest Motorolas prove that the bezel is the next frontier.
E.g.
My Optimus 2X has a 4" display at 15:9 ratio, so it is 5,23cm wide.
The Razr M has a 4,3" display at 16:10 ratio, so it is 5,35cm wide.
But the Optimus 2X itself is 6,32cm wide while the Razr M is 6,09 cm wide.
With such a bezel I would consider a 4,5" phone (at 16:10 of course) because it could be slightly more wide than my Optimus 2X, while giving me so much more useful space!
Come on, 480x800 (or any 15:10 ratio) is lame.
You need to be 16:10 nowadays. Even Apple had to admit defeat on this.
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Disagree. I much prefer my note ratio for web pages, Kindle etc. 16:10is only better for video and I do a lot more than watch films on my phone.
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howard bamber said:
Disagree. I much prefer my note ratio for web pages, Kindle etc. 16:10is only better for video and I do a lot more than watch films on my phone.
From box 13......
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In a sense I agree, but especially with the new huge phones (this thread is a bit dated), I think that more than ever, a 16:9 ratio (e.g. 1280x720) is ideal.
For instance the Nexus 4 would be way easier to use with one hand if it had this resolution instead of 1280x768 (15:9).
But in general, what I've written here is quite dated, coming from a time when 4,5" was considered as huge as possible.
Companies have managed to reduce the bezel around the screen, and save space from there. So the Nexus 4 is less wide overall than the Galaxy SIII, although the Galaxy SIII's screen is less wide than the Nexus 4's screen.
What is still valid: the Galaxy SIII would be even less usable with a 1280x768 resolution, while the Nexus 4 would be more usable with a 1280x720 resolution.

I have LG L7 with 4.3 inch display (800*480).
For me is a aceptable size to handle eith one hand.
But for internet surfing, it is a little small to read without zooming.
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HTC Explorer - 320 x 480 pixels, 3.2 inches (~180 ppi pixel density)
Samsung Galaxy Mini 2 - 320 x 480 pixels, 3.27 inches (~176 ppi pixel density)

Ι updated the table in my original post.
It's here as well: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26168440/itemsonforums/resolutionsXDA.png.
I removed some models, so if you still want to see the old one, it's here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26168440/itemsonforums/resolutionsXDAold.png.
I didn't add all the small devices you mention in your last posts (sorry, it would make the image too long), but I focused on the new bigger sizes that we hadn't seen when I started this thread.

Note 2 Vs Note 1

Thought I would repost this:
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Differences:
Note 2 Note 1 Comments
size: 151.1 x 80.5 x 9.4mm 146.9 x 83 x 9.7 mm 4.2mm longer
2.5mm narrower
.3 mm thinner
RAM 2G 1G 1G more
weight: 180g 178g 2 grams heavier
battery: 3100mah 2500 mah 24% larger battery
CPU 1.6 Ghz Quad A9 1.4 Ghz Dual A9
memory 12,32,64 GB 12,32 gig 64 gig option
NFC Yes No
BT 4.0 3.0
Screen: 5.55" 5.3"
Pixels: 1280x720 1280x800
aspect: 16:9 16:10
DPI 264.5 285 7.2% less dpi (calced)
Pxl Layout:RGB RGBG
os JB GB
Glass: Gorilla Glass 2 Gorilla Glass 1
Not. light Yes No
DAC Wolfram Yamaha YMU823
New things:
S-pen is different: thicker, rubberized tip.
'S-pen is removed' hardware switch for notifications
Same:
GPU Mali-400MP
No 1700 support
- Frank

Thanks Frank nice shart

NOTE 2
NOTE 2!!!!!!!!!!

If you watch videos during long train, subway rides regularly, playing video will even be a major leap, than a minor one.
Because of the Galaxy Note 1's 16:10 resolution, if you prefer video to be uncropped, you only used 4.77" of Galaxy Note 1's 5.3" screen when playing a 16:9 resolution video. Pretty much all TV shows and movies are encoded in this resolution today.
However, on the Galaxy Note 2, you will be using all 5.5" to play 16:9 video.
That is 0.73" gained diagonally when playing video. Very significant. But again, only if you don't like cropping to fill the Galaxy Note 1 screen. I personally hate cropping and have never cropped a video on my free will in my life so this is a big deal.
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This is for the International version right? I really hope all versions have 1700 mHz support. Or that T-mobile has its 1900 mHz network up by the time I get this phone (if I ever do).

The Note 2 also has a backlit sensor like the GS3 but unlike the first Note.
Given the similarities with the GS3, it seems likely the Note 2 comes with the Wolfson DAC but I haven't seen any confirmation of this.
I can count a total of 10 improvements (11 if you are interested in the 64GB model):
Edit: Supercurio has confirmed the Wolfson DAC which makes it the 11th hardware improvement on each Note 2.
1. Quadcore
2. More RAM
3. Bigger battery
4. Improved Spen
5. Gorilla Glass 2
6. NFC
7. RGB pixel arrangement
8. Notification light
9. Bluetooth 4
10 Backlit sensor
11 Wolfson DAC
Overall I think it's an impressive upgrade and I am not sure why some people were unhappy. I think there was some disappointment with the reduced resolution but it's just a 7% reduction in DPI and is more than compensated by the newer pixel arrangement. And we haven't even mentioned all the software goodies.

Strategist said:
The Note 2 also has a backlit sensor like the GS3 but unlike the first Note.
Given the similarities with the GS3, it seems likely the Note 2 comes with the Wolfson DAC but I haven't seen any confirmation of this.
I can count a total of 10 improvements (11 if you are interested in the 64GB model):
1. Quadcore
2. More RAM
3. Bigger battery
4. Improved Spen
5. Gorilla Glass 2
6. NFC
7. RGB pixel arrangement
8. Notification light
9. Bluetooth 4
10 Backlit sensor
Overall I think it's an impressive upgrade and I am not sure why some people were unhappy. I think there was some disappointment with the reduced resolution but it's just a 7% reduction in DPI and is more than compensated by the newer pixel arrangement. And we haven't even mentioned all the software goodies.
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Sweet. I wasn't aware of the RGB pixel arrangement until you mentioned it. Everyone just assumed pentile from day 1 and I hadn't heard it was different since. Thanks for pointing that out. Now I want the Galaxy Note 2 even more.
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Lucidmike said:
Sweet. I wasn't aware of the RGB pixel arrangement until you mentioned it. Everyone just assumed pentile from day 1 and I hadn't heard it was different since. Thanks for pointing that out. Now I want the Galaxy Note 2 even more.
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It's not rgb, but it's not pentile. It's been all over the blogs,
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May2012 said:
I hope Samsung will pack the Universe Observe 2 with a better battery pack than the Observe 1. Having a quad core processor in addition to a bigger screen (although lower resolution), users of the Universe Observe 2 will surely grumble about battery pack.
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The Note 2 has 3100mAH battery vs. 2500 for the original.
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please US carriers...dont jack this one up for me like u did with the s3...quadcore woohooo DOH!.....from my t999 that barely outscores my t989 on quads

eallan said:
It's not rgb, but it's not pentile. It's been all over the blogs,
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I have seen it called RGB although an unusual variant. After all, there is a red, green and blue sub-pixel in every pixel.
Incidentally Supercurio has confirmed the Wolfson DAC and I have edited my post to add an 11th improvement.

Note 2 has Radio FM??? in samsung specification web, not show about it

International version dont have...
~RR

xiskillo said:
Note 2 has Radio FM??? in samsung specification web, not show about it
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It hs radio with RDS,
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii_n7100-4854.php

Strategist said:
I have seen it called RGB although an unusual variant. After all, there is a red, green and blue sub-pixel in every pixel.
Incidentally Supercurio has confirmed the Wolfson DAC and I have edited my post to add an 11th improvement.
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Thanks - updated 1st post.
There's no reason not to call it RGB since each white pixel has an R, G, and B subpixel.
- Frank

Strategist said:
Incidentally Supercurio has confirmed the Wolfson DAC and I have edited my post to add an 11th improvement.
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Source?

vitalij92 said:
Source?
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This tweet.

theUsualSuspexx said:
please US carriers...dont jack this one up for me like u did with the s3...quadcore woohooo DOH!.....from my t999 that barely outscores my t989 on quads
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US has the same processor as the international. finally!

The note really isn't that big , and the note 2 is suppose to be easier to hold
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Galaxy S4 mini

Samsung annonced officially, the Samsung Galaxy S4 mini.
it has 4.3" qHD disply, android 4.2.2 but with out most of the features of S4 (like no double shot, no 360 panorama), has S Health but with out S4 sensors like temperature sensor, barometer and humidity sensor
chipset is most likely Snapdragon 400 at 1.7Ghz with 1.5Gb of RAM and internal storage is 8Gb with Micro SD card slot for expanding it.
rest of connectivity options and usual, wifi, bluetooth,GPS with GLONASS etc...
also has IR blaster for remote controlling.
the phone has dimensions of 124.6 x 61.3 x 8.94mm and weighs 107g which is cool
battery is user replacable and is 1900mAh.
no word on pricing. samsung will show it off on June 20 and most likely to reveal pricing then.
available color options are Black Mist and White Frost.
i kinda like it except the qHD screen. it should have been at least 720p but all its success depends on its pricing.
what do u guys think?

The SIII Mini always struck me as a bit pointless, having neither the spec to appeal to those that like phones with a bit of muscle or the price point for those that want a decent phone on a budget. It didn't really satisfy anyone and I have a sneaky feeling we're going to see more of the same with this.

Definitely not more of the same, but then the s3 mini was especially useless. Rumors/leaks have the ATT version of the s4 mini at 720p (presumably pentile, but no confirmation). But gsmarena just confirmed that the version announced for europe is NOT pentile. It's got the same RGB s stripe as the Note 2. At 4.25" with qHD, it has a very respectable 259ppi that is at least as sharp as a Galaxy S3, and maybe slightly sharper. I'd almost as soon have RGB qHD as 720p pentile, so at least I know for sure what I'm getting. It comes with air view and multiwindow, which is kinda surprising.
http://www.androidbeat.com/2013/05/gs4-mini-720p/
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_mini-review-932.php
If this is $300, I'm gonna be very happy. If $350, I'm gonna be a little happy. If $400, I'm gonna be not very happy, but might get it anyway.

fortunz said:
Definitely not more of the same, but then the s3 mini was especially useless. Rumors/leaks have the ATT version of the s4 mini at 720p (presumably pentile, but no confirmation). But gsmarena just confirmed that the version announced for europe is NOT pentile. It's got the same RGB s stripe as the Note 2. At 4.25" with qHD, it has a very respectable 259ppi that is at least as sharp as a Galaxy S3, and maybe slightly sharper. I'd almost as soon have RGB qHD as 720p pentile, so at least I know for sure what I'm getting. It comes with air view and multiwindow, which is kinda surprising.
http://www.androidbeat.com/2013/05/gs4-mini-720p/
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_mini-review-932.php
If this is $300, I'm gonna be very happy. If $350, I'm gonna be a little happy. If $400, I'm gonna be not very happy, but might get it anyway.
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I saw it in a video (closely), and it's not as sharp as S3.
I don't know but it's clueless to compare the number of subpixels to say which is sharper.
With the lower ppi, Note 2 is still a little bit sharper than S3 because they scale it the same as S3 (by adjusting ppi) and no pentile effect on Note 2. But they cannot do the same on a smaller screen like S4 mini-

hung2900 said:
I saw it in a video (closely), and it's not as sharp as S3.
I don't know but it's clueless to compare the number of subpixels to say which is sharper.
With the lower ppi, Note 2 is still a little bit sharper than S3 because they scale it the same as S3 (by adjusting ppi) and no pentile effect on Note 2. But they cannot do the same on a smaller screen like S4 mini-
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It's clueless to think you can make a screen sharper through scaling (presumably, you meant adjusting "dpi"). And to claim subpixels have nothing to do with sharpness but still hail the Note 2's lack of a pentile effect as responsible for it's sharpness. What do you think the pentile effect is? And to think you can divine screen sharpness through an encoded web video. Trust me, you can't.
You can pixelate software elements through improper scaling, but you can't sharpen a low density screen through software scaling. For example if you zoom in enough (a form of 'scaling') on a small image even viewing it on a super sharp screen, yeah, it'll look bad, but that's not the screen's problem. If you've got a low density screen, the sharpest of images will look crappy no matter how you scale them. The S4 mini is sharp for the same reason the Note 2 looks sharp: because they share the same complete RGB matrix and almost the same density.
Pentile is nothing more or less than false advertising, a way of artificially inflating the raw spec. It's not the worst thing in the world, it just requires a much higher purported ppi to reach the same sharpness as an RGB matrix screen.

Again like the S3 mini, Samsung is trying to milk more money out of the S4 series but now targeting the mid-range side. Average consumers will probably buy this as there is an "S4" tag on it and is much cheaper than it's big brother.

fortunz said:
It's clueless to think you can make a screen sharper through scaling (presumably, you meant adjusting "dpi"). And to claim subpixels have nothing to do with sharpness but still hail the Note 2's lack of a pentile effect as responsible for it's sharpness. What do you think the pentile effect is? And to think you can divine screen sharpness through an encoded web video. Trust me, you can't.
You can pixelate software elements through improper scaling, but you can't sharpen a low density screen through software scaling. For example if you zoom in enough (a form of 'scaling') on a small image even viewing it on a super sharp screen, yeah, it'll look bad, but that's not the screen's problem. If you've got a low density screen, the sharpest of images will look crappy no matter how you scale them. The S4 mini is sharp for the same reason the Note 2 looks sharp: because they share the same complete RGB matrix and almost the same density.
Pentile is nothing more or less than false advertising, a way of artificially inflating the raw spec. It's not the worst thing in the world, it just requires a much higher purported ppi to reach the same sharpness as an RGB matrix screen.
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I don't think you understand my opinion, maybe due to my bad English. To say clearer, what I mean is the Note 2's screen's scale is basically the same as Galaxy S3 with the same 320 dpi - zooming from 4.8 to 5.55 inch. This means, a same font of texts, a word with a length of 120 pixels on S3 (1/6 of the total length) is still 120 pixels on Note 2 (also 1/6 of the total length), but 15.625% bigger in real-size (what you actually see). So is the result is what you can see clear on S3, you can see it CLEARER on Note 2. That's is the technichque Samsung usually implements, like on Note 8.0 that make it much more sharper than iPad mini in browsing. If we compare a same line of texts with 5mm of "real size", the result from a screen like One X basically has 18% more pixels to illustrate the detail of the text, which results in being clearer than Note 2. And if you really have a Note 2 (i'm using it), when visiting some websites in desktop mode (like xda forum, lol), the text is very small and not crisp anymore.
But how about Galaxy S4 Mini? "The S4 mini is sharp for the same reason the Note 2 looks sharp"? OK, now we will consider the same thing as Note 2 above. For a line of texts equivalent to 1/6 total length of the screen, it takes only 93.33 pixels, which means noticeably less than S3 and Note 2 with smaller "real size" also, so it cannot be as sharp as S3. And in fact, Samsung did rescale from 320dpi to 240 dpi on Galaxy S4 Mini, which also means for a same font of texts, the number of pixels for displaying increases about 15.3%, so from 93.33 pixels I said above now it is appox. 108 pixels, which is not too far from Galaxy S3, and the payoff is the screen is cramped. So we cannot say "because Note 2 is sharp so Galaxy S4 Mini is also sharp"
About Pentile screen, it is not totally "nothing more or less than false advertising", but more like "false understanding of the major and the misleading criticisms". Why? Because most of people don't understand what is "Pentile". In fact, this "technology" can ONLY be used on OLED (AMOLED) technogy, which has the uneven luminance and lumious time of different color subpixels. Even experts cannot show the "exactly" ppi of an Pentile Amoled screen (because even with Pentile, different stripes layout leads to different result), while some people try to do an easier way that comparing the total number of subpixels, which is totally false. In fact, Galaxy S4 has 623 subpixels/inch, slightly higher than Blackberry Z10 (615) and iPhone 5 (565), but it is MUCH more sharper and not really different from the normal RGB 1080p screen like Xperia Z.
With Pentile screen, the main culprit of all criticism is not the lack of subpixels, but the uneven scale of pixels (because they're not real pixels) and uneven big-small gaps redundant. That's why they call the subpixels layout of S4 is innovative while still Pentile, because it is much much better than the traditional matrix on Galaxy S3 and together with the high ppi reduces most of Pentile problem (in fact, with traditional matrix, even with 441 ppi probably there will be something there)

Does or can S4 Mini have stock or by a custom rom have Air & Motion gestures ??

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Does or can S4 Mini have stock or by a custom rom have Air & Motion gestures ??
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No, the sensor isn't there.

i wish this could be my next phone

I'm considering this too as my next phone.
Compact, powerful, enough RAM and a non-pentile qHD display.

mpokwsths said:
I'm considering this too as my next phone.
Compact, powerful, enough RAM and a non-pentile qHD display.
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It was recently announced that CM10.1 is being prepared for i9195 version. Is there any info of whether it will also be supported for i9190 international version (without LTE and NFC)?
I also suppose we need a separate ROOT thread for it as nor 9192 neither 9195 procedures might fit.

mpokwsths said:
I'm considering this too as my next phone.
Compact, powerful, enough RAM and a non-pentile qHD display.
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Me too
But only if i will find it around to 300€ in next months, and if there will be a good support on XDA

Hi Is there usb otg on galaxy s4 mini ?

KaptanJack026 said:
Hi Is there usb otg on galaxy s4 mini ?
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Not at the moment. MHL isn't supported either.
metaxaos said:
It was recently announced that CM10.1 is being prepared for i9195 version. Is there any info of whether it will also be supported for i9190 international version (without LTE and NFC)?
I also suppose we need a separate ROOT thread for it as nor 9192 neither 9195 procedures might fit.
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No info. There isn't a root for the 9190 yet - the 9192 and 9195 procedures do not work on the 9190 and will probably brick your device.

hello, does anyone know when this phone will be available in the usa? can not find any info on this
if this is in the wrong forum please move, thanks

Which phone should i buy? sIII or s4 mini

Get the S4 mini if you want to future-proof yourself.
The S3 mini specifications are quite outdated

Whosat said:
Get the S4 mini if you want to future-proof yourself.
The S3 mini specifications are quite outdated
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No, i said between the normal s3 4.7" and s4mini. S3is cheaper here and has more ROMs and development

soraxx said:
No, i said between the normal s3 4.7" and s4mini. S3is cheaper here and has more ROMs and development
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Hmm, you've mentioned the main benefit of getting the S3 I guess.
Also, the S3 has quad-core as opposed to the dual-core S4 mini. S3 has 1 GB of ram only though.
There are also more accessories for the S3 than for the S4 mini because the mini has a smaller market and is also a newer device.

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Multitouch Up to 10 Fingers
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Specs
5.5" Inches Full HD IPS Display
1920 x 1080 pixels
Sony Live Color LED
Capacitive Touchscreen
Corning Gorilla Glass 3
25.7MP 1/2.3" HDR With LED Flash
Exmor RS™ Sensor For Image & Video
BIONZ™ for mobile
16x Digital Zoom
Full HD Video Recording 1080p + 4K UHD
Front Camera 3.2MP Exmor RS HDR 1080p
Quad-Core 2.7 GHz Krait 450
Qualcomm Snapdragon 805
Embedded Battery
PlayStation Certified
X-Reality for mobile
Adreno 420
148 x 75 x 7.2 mm
NFC
155 grams
3 GB RAM
4G LTE
Android v4.4.3 KitKat
Internal 32 GB Storage
microSD up to 64GB
400 Ppi Pixel Density
Camera Button
xLOUD Experience
Dual Stereo Speakers
Noice Cancelling
HD Voice
Li-Ion 3500mAh
Bluetooth v4.0
microSIM
Dust & Water Proof IP55 & 58 Certified
Available in Black,White,Red & Purple Color
Multitouch Up to 10 Fingers

I can't see your concept image but the spec you listed is kind of obvious and at list some of it will most likely be a part of its spec. small fine tuning corrections though: with such spec and sony favoring razor like designs: height should be 150 mm or slightly more, thickness 8.5-9mm, weight 170-180 grams, its edges are rumored to be more rounded then Z2.

amirprog said:
I can't see your concept image but the spec you listed is kind of obvious and at list some of it will most likely be a part of its spec. small fine tuning corrections though: with such spec and sony favoring razor like designs: height should be 150 mm or slightly more, thickness 8.5-9mm, weight 170-180 grams, its edges are rumored to be more rounded then Z2.
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and Z2 is 146.8 x 73.3 x 8.2 mm
so for Z3 of course,will be a bit longer & wider as uses 5.5" (my concept) which is 148 x 75 x 7.2 mm
for 7.2mm would be lighter,155grams...

I can see your image now. i like your concept. looks nice, clean, authentic. i hope sony is staying with glass and metal sides materials - reception friendly.
though, even if it will be wider and taller i still doubt less then 8mm thickness for a phone with such spec plus most likely new internals like WQHD resolution, etc. i watch Z2 tear down and the camera sensor looks almost as thick as the phone thickness, it's crazy. don't forget that. if they make the camera sensor smaller then maybe. i would be amazed and happy if sony can design it with 7.2mm thickness. look at find 7 with 5.5 WQHD display - 9.2mm, but because sony know design better then oppo i'd bet on 8-8.2mm - same as Z2. also, i wonder if the rounded edges will look like in your concept or rounded all around let's say like oppo find 7. is sony staying with omnibalance design? their designer said in an interview that they would like to make a new design... many questions... it would be better if you add a two tone camera LED - i bet sony will add it. it's becoming a standard.

If that screen is 5,5 with that many bezel than than would be SO FKING HUGE!

SkyS1gn said:
If that screen is 5,5 with that many bezel than than would be SO FKING HUGE!
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Not huge at all, considering the big camera sensor, waterproofing design and bigger battery, etc and the phone profile thinness. it's all relative to what internals a phone has.

amirprog said:
not huge at all, considering the big camera sensor, waterproofing design and bigger battery, etc. it's all relative to what internals a phone has.
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His concept picture is basically a Z1 from the front/back, the bezels are huge, and if you couple that with the 5,5 screen, you get a totally waste of space phone what you cant even handle.
The spec is reasonable.
The only compains what i hear from reviews is that the Z2 is awkward to handle, but i dont care i have big hands.
5 and 5,2" OK, if they want to go bigger, they'll need to seriously reduce those bezels.

SkyS1gn said:
His concept picture is basically a Z1 from the front/back, the bezels are huge, and if you couple that with the 5,5 screen, you get a totally waste of space phone what you cant even handle.
The spec is reasonable.
The only compains what i hear from reviews is that the Z2 is awkward to handle, but i dont care i have big hands.
5 and 5,2" OK, if they want to go bigger, they'll need to seriously reduce those bezels.
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You realistically cannot go further with screen size. I could actually see the screen remaining 5,2" but bezel reducing and the size of the phone reducing compared to the Z2. Ideally, you'd want the top and bottom bezels to be as small as possible and nearly none on the sides. That I would consider a buy. Any additional increase in size and I'd have to give up on these phones...
And it's not just hand size, it's also pocketability. I have an ultra and although it fits in my jeans pockets, it's just too big. You can't sit with it, move around, without risking to actually break the thing (which I thing IS the reason why people say the screens crack);

globiboulga said:
You realistically cannot go further with screen size. I could actually see the screen remaining 5,2" but bezel reducing and the size of the phone reducing compared to the Z2. Ideally, you'd want the top and bottom bezels to be as small as possible and nearly none on the sides. That I would consider a buy. Any additional increase in size and I'd have to give up on these phones...
And it's not just hand size, it's also pocketability. I have an ultra and although it fits in my jeans pockets, it's just too big. You can't sit with it, move around, without risking to actually break the thing (which I thing IS the reason why people say the screens crack);
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There is no such thing as ideal for all, only personal preference. ideal for you is not necessarily ideal for me. Z3-4 are very likely to have 5.5" WQHD display and actually all the future flagships because the fact that there are no IPS panels with less then 5.5" for 2k resolution. plus, sony made the compact line for people who want smaller flagships. i personally glad that the new standard will be 5.5" for mid sized flagships. i'm willing to accept less pocketability for bigger display and better spec. nothing is perfect.
in my opinion the ultra has arrived to the borderline of pocketable phones. bigger device then the ultra should be marketed as a device that can be carried in a bag... more like tablet.

Z2 storage is expandable up to 128 (official info), and your Z3 concept will be limited to 64 gb
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isn't the current z2 big enough? It's super chunky

Naiks20 said:
isn't the current z2 big enough? It's super chunky
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This.
If it were 5.5 inches I wouldn't buy it as for everyday use it wouldn't be great.
4.7-5.2 inches are the best screen sizes for a phone in my opinion.
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chinedu40 said:
This.
If it were 5.5 inches I wouldn't buy it as for everyday use it wouldn't be great.
4.7-5.2 inches are the best screen sizes for a phone in my opinion.
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Then your only future daily driver flagship option is to follow sony compact line (its successor is predicted to have slightly bigger display - 4.5-4.7") or companies that still make 5.0" flagships. most if not ALL OEM's future mid sized flagships from now on will carry 5.5" display. find 7>OnePlus One>G3>Z3, etc. read the news.

amirprog said:
Then your only future daily driver flagship option is to follow sony compact line (its successor is predicted to have slightly bigger display - 4.5-4.7") or companies that still make 5.0" flagships. most if not ALL OEM's future mid sized flagships from now on will carry 5.5" display. find 7>OnePlus One>G3>Z3, etc. read the news.
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I doubt that this is going to happen. I can see them going to mayb 5.3 inches max, but i think anything from 5.5 inches and above is a phablet and I think manufacturers are aware of the ever increasing screen size problem.
Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with 5.5 inches, but the phone either becomes too wide, too long or both and this makes it rather uncomfortable to use every day and with one hand.

Things I think Sony can improve/add on next phones:
- IP68 instead of IP58 (better dust protection).
- Optical image stabilization instead of Digital image stabilization.
- High FPS recording mode where you can choose, [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] **maybe: [email protected] and [email protected], Can S805 handle this?
- Internal memory, user should be able to choose between 16/32/64GB models, just like Apple do.
- Micro USB 3.0.
- MHL 3.0 support
- Bluetooth 4.1 (S805 supports 4.0 by default, but I read it somewhere that Bluetooth 4.1 can be done with a software update).

chinedu40 said:
I doubt that this is going to happen. I can see them going to mayb 5.3 inches max, but i think anything from 5.5 inches and above is a phablet and I think manufacturers are aware of the ever increasing screen size problem.
Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with 5.5 inches, but the phone either becomes too wide, too long or both and this makes it rather uncomfortable to use every day and with one hand.
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Fellow, i understand your preference for smaller devices but stop doubting it - find 7 is on the market being sold right now, oneplus one and g3 are confirmed to have 5.5". z3 is sure to follow them, a safe bet. also, enter japan display and auo websites - major panel manufacturers - 2k displays start from 5.5". OEM's don't want to stay behind in spec sheet. this is how the industry behave. anyway, i'm sure all other companies will wake up from their sleep and follow sony with their minis - making them mini flagships and not overpriced weak mid range phones, so you will have plenty of phones to choose from and not only sony compact. they won't have other choice because as you said, the mid sized flags are getting too big for some people. EDIT: for your information, there is no 5.3" display on the market, not in mass production anyway, so from 5.2" companies can jump to 5.5". anyway, i'm sure the mid sized flags will stay on 5.5" for a long time until devices get fordable because otherwise phablets won't have a legitimacy to exist.

RHBH said:
Things I think Sony can improve/add on next phones:
- IP68 instead of IP58 (better dust protection).
- Optical image stabilization instead of Digital image stabilization.
- High FPS recording mode where you can choose, [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] **maybe: [email protected] and [email protected], Can S805 handle this?
- Internal memory, user should be able to choose between 16/32/64GB models, just like Apple do.
- Micro USB 3.0.
- MHL 3.0 support
- Bluetooth 4.1 (S805 supports 4.0 by default, but I read it somewhere that Bluetooth 4.1 can be done with a software update).
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It already has MHL 3.0 support....just no cables/adapters exist for it yet that a normal consumer can buy!
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amirprog said:
Fellow, i understand your preference for smaller devices but stop doubting it - find 7 is on the market being sold right now, oneplus one and g3 are confirmed to have 5.5". z3 is sure to follow them, a safe bet. also, enter japan display and auo websites - major panel manufacturers - 2k displays start from 5.5". OEM's don't want to stay behind in spec sheet. this is how the industry behave. anyway, i'm sure all other companies will wake up from their sleep and follow sony with their minis - making them mini flagships and not overpriced weak mid range phones, so you will have plenty of phones to choose from and not only sony compact. they won't have other choice because as you said, the mid sized flags are getting too big for some people. EDIT: for your information, there is no 5.3" display on the market, not in mass production anyway, so from 5.2" companies can jump to 5.5". anyway, i'm sure the mid sized flags will stay on 5.5" for a long time until devices get fordable because otherwise phablets won't have a legitimacy to exist.
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Whilst, I hope manufacturers do not do this, i can see where you're coming from.
Do you think a 2k display sub 5.5inches is feasible?

Whilst, I hope manufacturers do not do this, i can see where you're coming from.
Do you think a 2k display sub 5.5inches is feasible?
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Yes, i see no reason why it wouldn't be possible, but manufacturers don't do it because it would be harder to notice a difference in resolution in 5" display and 2k displays are more expensive to make. even in 5.5" the change should generally look subtle which is fine but it also depends on how close your eyes are from the display.

Ben Ling said:
Hello People,I Had Created The Concept Of Sony Xperia™ Z3
What Do You Think About It ?
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Specs
5.5" Inches Full HD IPS Display
1920 x 1080 pixels
Sony Live Color LED
Capacitive Touchscreen
Corning Gorilla Glass 3
25.7MP 1/2.3" HDR With LED Flash
Exmor RS™ Sensor For Image & Video
BIONZ™ for mobile
16x Digital Zoom
Full HD Video Recording 1080p + 4K UHD
Front Camera 3.2MP Exmor RS HDR 1080p
Quad-Core 2.7 GHz Krait 450
Qualcomm Snapdragon 805
Embedded Battery
PlayStation Certified
X-Reality for mobile
Adreno 420
148 x 75 x 7.2 mm
NFC
155 grams
3 GB RAM
4G LTE
Android v4.4.3 KitKat
Internal 32 GB Storage
microSD up to 64GB
400 Ppi Pixel Density
Camera Button
xLOUD Experience
Dual Stereo Speakers
Noice Cancelling
HD Voice
Li-Ion 3500mAh
Bluetooth v4.0
microSIM
Dust & Water Proof IP55 & 58 Certified
Available in Black,White,Red & Purple Color
Multitouch Up to 10 Fingers
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looks like more like Xperia M2 and bezels?? same need to change the bezel thing in Xperia

Nice concept, though I see no need to make the screen even bigger (5.5 inches sounds huge.)
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[SPECS] HTC One (M9) Specifications

Hey all
Here are more up to date listings of the specifications for the HTC M9, they are still TBC, but should be more helpful than the existing OP (now post #2). I'll duplicate this post as the OP as it's more informative:good:
I'll update with more as we get information.
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Display - Super LCD3, 5.0 inches, 1080 x 1920 pixels (~441 ppi pixel density)
Chipset - Qualcomm MSM8994 Snapdragon 810
CPU - Quad-core 1.5 GHz Cortex-A53 & Quad-core 2 GHz Cortex-A57
GPU - Adreno 430
RAM - 3 GB
Memory - 32/64 GB
Camera - 20.7 MP, 5248 х 3936 pixels, autofocus, dual-LED (dual tone) flash
Secondary Camera - 4 MP
Sensors - Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer
Connectivity - Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspot, Bluetooth V4.1
Battery - 2840 mAh
Dimensions - 144.3 x 69.4 x 9.6 mm
Weight - 158 g
Color Availability - Gunmetal Gray, Glacial Silver, Amber Gold​
Source gsmarena

HTC M9 / HTC Hima specs
The HTC M9 specs rumored leaked. Same specs as droid turbo. Those specs will be outdated by the time it comes out. They need to step up their game with Snapdragon 810, 16 ultrapixel cam 8mp front cam. 4k screen if possible prob not though. 64 bit processor, 3 gig ram 3gh 30% louder boomsound. I even emailed HTC about it today. I feel they should listen to people about what they need in a phone.

MsEvyLynch said:
The HTC M9 specs rumored leaked. Same specs as droid turbo. Those specs will be outdated by the time it comes out. They need to step up their game with Snapdragon 810, 16 ultrapixel cam 8mp front cam. 4k screen if possible prob not though. 64 bit processor, 3 gig ram 3gh 30% louder boomsound. I even emailed HTC about it today. I feel they should listen to people about what they need in a phone.
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I could care less about the cpu processor at this point. it only can get so good with phones.. The cpu it have now is plenty fine . The camera needs updated, and work on the boom sound some more.
I could care less about a 4k screen
A phone does not need a 64gb processor
so:
-better camaera
-improve boom
-Improve screen
-larger screen
- it will be sweet if they could make the buttons on the side touch

that are just rumored specs, which aren't official yet so yea i assume the real specs will be different!

MsEvyLynch said:
The HTC M9 specs rumored leaked. Same specs as droid turbo. Those specs will be outdated by the time it comes out. They need to step up their game with Snapdragon 810, 16 ultrapixel cam 8mp front cam. 4k screen if possible prob not though. 64 bit processor, 3 gig ram 3gh 30% louder boomsound. I even emailed HTC about it today. I feel they should listen to people about what they need in a phone.
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Who are you. HTC know what they are doing. Most people buy phones every two years, so they are catering to the people with m7s

MsEvyLynch said:
The HTC M9 specs rumored leaked. Same specs as droid turbo. Those specs will be outdated by the time it comes out. They need to step up their game with Snapdragon 810, 16 ultrapixel cam 8mp front cam. 4k screen if possible prob not though. 64 bit processor, 3 gig ram 3gh 30% louder boomsound. I even emailed HTC about it today. I feel they should listen to people about what they need in a phone.
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Art2Fly said:
Who are you. HTC know what they are doing. Most people buy phones every two years, so they are catering to the people with m7s
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Most people do NOT buy every 2 years. More like every year , a very small percentage do the every 2 year thing

Show me your source.

MsEvyLynch said:
The HTC M9 specs rumored leaked. Same specs as droid turbo. Those specs will be outdated by the time it comes out. They need to step up their game with Snapdragon 810, 16 ultrapixel cam 8mp front cam. 4k screen if possible prob not though. 64 bit processor, 3 gig ram 3gh 30% louder boomsound. I even emailed HTC about it today. I feel they should listen to people about what they need in a phone.
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Wow are you requesting a spaceship?
1- nothing is called M9 it's HIMA now.
2- No 4K screens yet.
3- bigger speakers bigger camera means way thicker phone.
4- 8MP on the front is #fail. You need something like Ultrapixel so image quality will be the same in sunlight and dark conditions. Even our 5MP front camera sucks in low light.

cpugeeker said:
show me yours
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http://mobilefuture.org/resources/international-comparisons-the-handset-replacement-cycle-2/

Art2Fly said:
Show me your source.
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http://mobilefuture.org/resources/international-comparisons-the-handset-replacement-cycle-2/
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So you did a quick google search to find the first phoney website that reported user upgrade every 2 years. let alone, the article is dated JUNE 2011.. Failed!!! On so many levels
users now are updating every year, that is why tmobile, Verizon,sprint and ATT offers early upgrading. if it was not a niche for it companies would not be offering it
People are upgrading phones when ever they see one they like which is 6 months to 1 year
try again:silly:

cpugeeker said:
show me yours
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Here's my sources http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...2-inch-qhd-display-and-snapdragon-805-inbound

The Sony Z4 is supposed to be Snapdragon 810 so HTC should be doing 64bit soon since their mid-range is already 64bit.
HTC One M8

I really hope we are not forced to go above 5" if we want a flagship HTC phone.
Fingerss crossed for:
5" 1080p or QHD
8mp+ ultra pixel
805 sOC
2GB or 3GB ram
32GB minimum storage with SD support
minimum bezel (remove the HTC logo part)
Dual speakers
something like

5.2" would be perfect.
HTC One M8

Bring on HTC 6 inch GPE phone. In 2014 bigger is better

md1008 said:
Bring on HTC 6 inch GPE phone. In 2014 bigger is better
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But this will come out 2015. Bigger is better would be so last year

Honestly I don't see trend disappearing any time soon. Go figure a phablet in 2011-2012 with the original note was 5.3 now that is considered normal lol

I need
At least a 5.5 with thin bezels like LG.. (qhd wont really matter, apps are not optimized)
16mp/5mp
805/810
3GB RAM
Louder Boom Sound Speakers
Bigger Battery
32Gb/64Gb

cpugeeker said:
Most people do NOT buy every 2 years. More like every year , a very small percentage do the every 2 year thing
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Do you only know people who are all like us? My mom is using a Note 2, one brother an S4, and my other brother a Note 3. One of my buddies is still using an One M7 . Know a few other people who are using older phones than those too.

cpugeeker said:
Most people do NOT buy every 2 years. More like every year , a very small percentage do the every 2 year thing
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No way, this might be the case in the US, Europe, Japan and smaller richer Asian countries but definitely not the majority of the people. It's not affordable for them which is precisely why Google wanted to change their tactics and bring out affordable devices that runs latest Android but at a cheaper price like the Moto G(?) and the Nexus devices(Even though it's not widely available). It's common fact that majority of the users of Android still use old Android versions(Honeycomb, Gingerbread, ICS). This is definitely true where I'm at as well, I see a lot of people with early Android devices, most of them walk with S3s, few people have the S4, S5, HTC One M8/M7 or Sony Xperia Z, Z2 haven't even seen anyone with a Z3.
It's not affordable for the majority of people on this planet and statistics like that should include everyone not just those from wealthy 1st world countries where buying a phone every 6months is the fashionable thing to do.
That being said, this entire topic shouldn't even be here, it should be in the OFF-Topic or general section(Not related to a specific device forum). So I just made my post before the close.