Nexus 7 32GB is my first android device. Before I bought it, most people were saying that android is finally smooth, project butter and so on. But that's not the case here. I'm on 4.2.2 stock, have currents sync disabled, my storage is only half full, and my Nexus is starting to get on my nerves.
- screen rotation takes exactly 4 seconds, no exception.
- apps sometimes freeze, forcing me to force close them or even reboot occasionally.
- even some simple games, like Dragonvale, run like stop motion in certain segments.
- when I install ANY app, it seems that android service responsible to put icon on my home screen takes 100% CPU time for 10-15 seconds or so.
- when there are app updates, my nexus is unusable. Takes 10+ seconds for any action.
Say what you want about windows phone, but that thing flies. Am I maybe spoiled by it's buttery smoothness so android by comparison irritates me, or is there really something wrong with my Nexus? I already did hard reset once, early on. It did not help. Should I try again? If so, what backup solution is the easiest?
I know I might be asking a lot and that there are threads about this already, but info is scattered, and there are numerous contradicting opinions and advices. Basically I am just not sure if this is how it's supposed to be, or should I try something.
The lag after installing app is there because of R/W being made to internal memory. App's icons on homescreen are being placed by Play. You can disable it in it's settings. But the rest sounds like a rouge app. Are you sure this lag is there even after fresh system installation?
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Root, get Franco, disable fsync, enjoy.
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Terepin said:
The lag after installing app is there because of R/W being made to internal memory. App's icons on homescreen are being placed by Play. You can disable it in it's settings. But the rest sounds like a rouge app. Are you sure this lag is there even after fresh system installation?
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How do I detect a rouge app? Task manager? Can you recommend one?
It was slow to start with. Disabling currents sync did not help. And I did do reset in the first few days. Did not help.
Now, it's just even more slower. Perhaps by as much as 50% in some actions, if I can put a number on a subjective impression.
Dr.Molestratus said:
Root, get Franco, disable fsync, enjoy.
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Rooted, don't want to mess with kernels and ROMs, what's fsync?
While I'm at it, I rooted with wugfresh rootkit, worked flawlessly, but I can't install adaway. Any thoughts?
d.a.v.o.r said:
Rooted, don't want to mess with kernels and ROMs, what's fsync?
While I'm at it, I rooted with wugfresh rootkit, worked flawlessly, but I can't install adaway. Any thoughts?
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Well if you want better performance... ROMs and kernels are the things to mess with.
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You should probably flash a ROM/kernel for best performance. But if you still don't want to mess with ROMs, reflash the stock rom and reroot it. That's what helped me.
I've had some issues with my phone lagging during/after app update, and i've only recently nailed down the culprit. Turns out it was the Root Uninstaller app that was making backups of older versions of the apps during the update, it ceased after i turned off the option in it's settings (or just uninstall). My guesstimate would be that you have some app that is doing just that. Because my own n7 doesn't noticeably lag even if i try to update many (as much as 10) apps at the same, which usually kills my single-core SGSL into a reboot shortly after trying this.
I think 4.2 is just buggy. It flies for me sometimes and on some devices, and sometimes it crawls horribly. Maybe the next android version will fix this, maybe not
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This helped me a little (If you don't use Currents then this could help)
1. Go to Settings > Apps > All (swipe right 2 times) > Currents
2. Click "Force Stop"
3. Click "Disable"
It should be now fixed for some of it. Like the earlier posts suggest, maybe reflashing stock ROM or installing a kernel (once you're comfortable) will help for sure.
It seems messing with kernels and roms is the best way to do it.
And even though I'm asking this on XDA, I'm not really comfortable with that, especially considering that I've come across the word "bricked" many a times. Especially since I have almost two years of warranty left.
I'll give it a thought and see if I'll go along. It depends how irritating the lag becomes. But by the looks of it, I'll end up with a windows 8/blue tablet next time around, when the next gen silicone from AMD and Intel is ready. I'm much more comfortable with windows environment.
AW: [Q] Is Nexus 7 supposed to be this way? (laggy)
If you're having a lot of apps installed you can get ram problems. Some apps are running in the background even if they don't need to. If you wanna know which apps those are simply go to apps and swipe to the second panel. There you can see which asps are running in the background .You should delete them. If you don't want to do that simply download the app Greenify
(You should have more than 200mb free)
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Entropy generator, I just use pimp my ROM, even on stock rooted.
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I'm on paranoid 2.54 which is 4.1 and it feels faster than cm10.1 I miss 4.2.2 fonts but I'll see If I get it.
BR.
d.a.v.o.r said:
It seems messing with kernels and roms is the best way to do it.
And even though I'm asking this on XDA, I'm not really comfortable with that, especially considering that I've come across the word "bricked" many a times. Especially since I have almost two years of warranty left.
I'll give it a thought and see if I'll go along. It depends how irritating the lag becomes. But by the looks of it, I'll end up with a windows 8/blue tablet next time around, when the next gen silicone from AMD and Intel is ready. I'm much more comfortable with windows environment.
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Get rid of your Nexus and buy a bloody surface then?
In regards to your question, if you've Rooted but cannot install Adaway then it seems you haven't rooted correctly.
This may be the source of your issues.
As explained before, factory reset, re-root and then if you really wanna see it fly take our advice.
A good start is Paranoid Android and Faux123 Kernel (I've been using this combo since I bought my nexus, and yes I've tried other combo's I just can't stay away). Paranoid is an epic ROM, and IMO Faux cannot be beaten. He finds the absolute perfect point between performance and battery !!.
Unless you seriously can't follow directions you won't brick your device. People throw that term around when they are far from bricked. Just make sure you understand the steps of anything you are doing and use good sense. If things go sideways, don't just start doing things blindly. Research the problem you are having, and ask for help if you need it.
But you shouldn't have to run a custom rom to get smooth performance. Like has been suggested I'd go back to stock. Root, and add things back as you need them. See if it runs smooth with only a basic set of apps installed.
Your N7 will be fastest on a custom ROM/kernel. But it should be perfectly usable on a stock setup.
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Wilks3y said:
Get rid of your Nexus and buy a bloody surface then?
In regards to your question, if you've Rooted but cannot install Adaway then it seems you haven't rooted correctly.
This may be the source of your issues.
As explained before, factory reset, re-root and then if you really wanna see it fly take our advice.
A good start is Paranoid Android and Faux123 Kernel (I've been using this combo since I bought my nexus, and yes I've tried other combo's I just can't stay away). Paranoid is an epic ROM, and IMO Faux cannot be beaten. He finds the absolute perfect point between performance and battery !!.
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RT is a joke, and PRO is too expensive and has awful battery life. I'll wait and see how temash and baytrail turn out to be. But that's besides the point, since I'll still keep nexus as an ultra-mobile device.
In any case, can I backup all the data, reset, and get EVERYTHING back, or will I need to do something manually? I'll definitely try to reset/re-root.
But I don't see what I did wrong. I mean, I can install every app on the market that requires root
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Unless you seriously can't follow directions you won't brick your device. People throw that term around when they are far from bricked. Just make sure you understand the steps of anything you are doing and use good sense. If things go sideways, don't just start doing things blindly. Research the problem you are having, and ask for help if you need it.
But you shouldn't have to run a custom rom to get smooth performance. Like has been suggested I'd go back to stock. Root, and add things back as you need them. See if it runs smooth with only a basic set of apps installed.
Your N7 will be fastest on a custom ROM/kernel. But it should be perfectly usable on a stock setup.
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Ok, I'll try it. First with reset.
But also, my nexus is usable, it's just not pleasant to use.
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RT is a joke, and PRO is too expensive and has awful battery life. I'll wait and see how temash and baytrail turn out to be. But that's besides the point, since I'll still keep nexus as an ultra-mobile device.
In any case, can I backup all the data, reset, and get EVERYTHING back, or will I need to do something manually? I'll definitely try to reset/re-root.
But I don't see what I did wrong. I mean, I can install every app on the market that requires root
Ok, I'll try it. First with reset.
But also, my nexus is usable, it's just not pleasant to use.
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It honestly shouldn't lag like that. Even bone stock.
One thing you can do right away is go into developer settings (click 7 times on Build Number in About Tablet to enable) and change all animation settings to.5 or to none.
DL Root Checker, or just try to use any root app to see if you actually do have root. Even with the wonderful toolkits (which will also save your bacon if you get into a bootloop) getting root to stick can be tricky...you may have to run it a couple of times.
But the best results will come if you flash a custom rom and kernel. if you like a tweaked stock experience, try CleanRom Inheritance. It uses the Aroma installer, so it's very easy and customizable. It can be found under Android Development.
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RT is a joke, and PRO is too expensive and has awful battery life. I'll wait and see how temash and baytrail turn out to be. But that's besides the point, since I'll still keep nexus as an ultra-mobile device.
In any case, can I backup all the data, reset, and get EVERYTHING back, or will I need to do something manually? I'll definitely try to reset/re-root.
But I don't see what I did wrong. I mean, I can install every app on the market that requires root
Ok, I'll try it. First with reset.
But also, my nexus is usable, it's just not pleasant to use.
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You can use titanium backup. It there others like carbon. But titanium has been around the longest and it's my preferred way. Requires root, and it should warn you at start up if you aren't rooted correctly.
I would do as others suggested and just restore basic apps after factory reboot and re root. Then slowly restore others to see if you notice other problems along the way.
Also, if you didn't know. You can install kernels without wiping tablet and changing the whole Rom. I would definitely try that eventually too.
One more thing to note. Don't judge android on chrome (not that you mentioned it, but I know a lot of newbies have). It's one of the slowest browsers. It has tons of great features which I love, but do slow compared to most others. I wish I wasn't so addicted to its syncing.
Thanks to everyone on advices.
1) root checker says I do not have proper root. Now that I think about it, I did update my Nexus 7 from 4.2.1 to 4.2.2. I guess that also removed root.
2) I will reset. I don't really have any messages or photos or app data that is not already in the cloud that I need to backup.
3) I'll try to gradually install everything app by app to see if it's a rouge app.
4) I'll than revive this thread with my results. Though I doubt I'll get to doing all that in the next few days.
Again, thanks everyone!
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So I tend to answer more questions that I ask on here, but now it's my turn!!
So, I've noticed at times that my KF is totally unresponsive from sleep. No power light, nothing. I have to press the power button for 20 seconds, then again to power on. This used to happen every so often on the Stock ROM.
However, since I've been on CM7 w/ TWRP/FFF, it hangs up every single day. At first I thought it was due to low charge, but it's doing it whilst the battery is over 90% full. I've had a nose around the CM7 settings and tweaks, but can't see anything obvious.
Running services at startup are:
Settings (presumably because I'm looking at settings to see this info!)
Google Services
Amazon Video (Not sure why this is running. I may uninstall to see if this is the problem) - Uninstalled. Will see how it goes.
DSPManager
Swype
Anybody else seen this? Anybody else got any ideas on how to resolve this?
Do a search for V6 SuperCharger and do some research on it I use it on my Fire and my 2 Android Phones it really helps with memory management
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I've not experienced this problem. My kindle fire has been pretty much perfect and I've never had to force a reboot. I'm also using the Sywpe keyboard.
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Do a search for V6 SuperCharger and do some research on it I use it on my Fire and my 2 Android Phones it really helps with memory management
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Thanks, but I don't think memory is the problem here (I have 282MB free system memory right now). Something is putting it to sleep permanently.
I guess it's going to be a process of elimination. I might possibly go back to stock to see if it's really CM7 or the device hardware itself playing up.
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Thanks, but I don't think memory is the problem here (I have 282MB free system memory right now). Something is putting it to sleep permanently.
I guess it's going to be a process of elimination. I might possibly go back to stock to see if it's really CM7 or the device hardware itself playing up.
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I would not even bother reading the information I provided, reading is pretty hard chase a lot of gremlins first instead of the running a Script.
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I would not even bother reading the information I provided, reading is pretty hard chase a lot of gremlins first instead of the running a Script.
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Wow, seriously?!
I *did* read about it, and concluded that it was a memory management app. Given my symptoms, I cannot find one example of where this app would help me, and I'm not about to install something that is possibly just going to add further variables to an already odd behavior.
Show me where you think it's going to help (specific examples), and I'll gladly accept your thanks/suggestions.
Until then, I would ask you keep your snark for sites like Slashdot.
You did not read about it if you had you would have known it is not an app but a Script.
I do not hold people's hand and give links I make you search for it I am sure someone will come along and make you a video
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You did not read about it if you had you would have known it is not an app but a Script.
I do not hold people's hand and give links I make you search for it I am sure someone will come along and make you a video
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Again, Wow Seriously?!
Your definition of me not reading is based on me calling it an app over a script!? Interesting logic there.
However, I'm still wondering how you deduce that this is going to help my problem, and hence why I asked for specifics. I'm quite capable of finding information, but it's like you saying to me "Dude, install Angry Birds, it will solve all your problems". My conclusion was that there was nothing in that post that specifies "This will also help your system if it sleeps permanently" (clearly I'm paraphrasing there, just in case that wasn't clear). If I'm missing something, I'm all ears, but blindly recommending apps for no reason is no help to anyone.
Other than almost every decent ROM you will find on XDA already has this built into it and it will help I will leave it at that.
You also may try to wipe Data, Cache and Dalvik I usually do that at least 3 times on my HTC EVO Shift when I flash a new rom before it runs good.
Try that and see if it helps.
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Other than almost every decent ROM you will find on XDA already has this built into it and it will help I will leave it at that.
You also may try to wipe Data, Cache and Dalvik I usually do that at least 3 times on my HTC EVO Shift when I flash a new rom before it runs good.
Try that and see if it helps.
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It may well be the CM7 ROM that was compiled for the KF, but what also makes me suspicious now is for the number of reads on this thread, not one other person has said "Yeah, I have the same issues", which either leads me to believe its a resident app, or possibly something wrong with my hardware. I'll keep digging, and possibly flash back to stock (as I said).
For the benefit of doubt, I'll always do a Factory Reset, and wipe all the Cache/Dalvik Cache. It's something I've done since I was flashing ROM's on my first Droid. But thanks for the suggestion.
You may have a bad flash back up your apps and re-flash CM7 and restore your apps and see if that helps.
I have rooted and flashed a lot of phones and I have had that happen a couple of times I re did the flash and everything was fine.
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You may have a bad flash back up your apps and re-flash CM7 and restore your apps and see if that helps.
I have rooted and flashed a lot of phones and I have had that happen a couple of times I re did the flash and everything was fine.
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I guess it's entirely possible. I'll do a Titanium Backup now, re-flash, and see what happens. But as mentioned in my OP, I had this happen on stock 6.2, just not as frequently, so I'll be hoping that it is a bad flash, and not something inherently worse.
See how much better this conversation is now!
Sounds fishy to me as well. Did you clear the caches when installing new ROMs? I've had mine since it was release and have yet to have it hang and I've had 6.1,6.2, and now CM7 running flawlessly
Your problem is a bit unique so I don't mind throwing out a few ideas.
Mine is solid as a rock I am ready for a good overclocking kernel so I can stretch it's legs
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Sounds fishy to me as well. Did you clear the caches when installing new ROMs? I've had mine since it was release and have yet to have it hang and I've had 6.1,6.2, and now CM7 running flawlessly
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Yep, I always clear everything when moving to a new ROM. It's a habit that was drilled into me during my first custom ROM exploits on my Droid. I've even told people on here to do it too, so I'm practicing what I'm preaching!
I think what I'm going to do is, reflash to stock 6.2.1, use the new root method, push TWRP/FFF again, and then CM7. A little drastic, but I think that having a clean run at this might prove/disprove the theory.
My stock rom does this occasionally. Have to hold the power button for 20 secs to reset it.
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My stock rom does this occasionally. Have to hold the power button for 20 secs to reset it.
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Yeah, this is happening a little too frequently for my liking. Occasionally is fairly OK, every day is not. But it has got worse since going to CM7, but that could be purely coincidence at this point.
Trying some different things right now, but it will be a few days before I know for certain.
This may not be the problem at all, but I'll toss it out here anyway. On some of my Archos tablets, I have had this issue where the screen brightness was set very low. Anyway, if your brightness is set low, you might increase it to see if that makes a difference. I don't remember exactly at what level this problem starts, but I think it is when it is set below 20%.
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This may not be the problem at all, but I'll toss it out here anyway. On some of my Archos tablets, I have had this issue where the screen brightness was set very low. Anyway, if your brightness is set low, you might increase it to see if that makes a difference. I don't remember exactly at what level this problem starts, but I think it is when it is set below 20%.
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Thanks, that hadn't crossed my mind, but I like my brightness at a pretty high level, and as the sensor is not working currently, it pretty much stays at that level.
Back at stock 6.2.1 now. Going to root it and leave it like this for a few days to see what happens.
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It may well be the CM7 ROM that was compiled for the KF, but what also makes me suspicious now is for the number of reads on this thread, not one other person has said "Yeah, I have the same issues", which either leads me to believe its a resident app, or possibly something wrong with my hardware. I'll keep digging, and possibly flash back to stock (as I said).
For the benefit of doubt, I'll always do a Factory Reset, and wipe all the Cache/Dalvik Cache. It's something I've done since I was flashing ROM's on my first Droid. But thanks for the suggestion.
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Not sure if you have resloved this issue, but having read most of the Forum Dev Thread for the CM7 initial release and the newest reboot of the first ROM I think many others are having this issue as well. I remember reading many post people were referring to something similar to your problem as "the sleep of death." I however am not having that problem with mine, but thought it might be helpful to know that it might not be your device specific and may be something with CM7 itself with some devices.
I'm new to the whole Android thing but I used to install lots of roms on my trusty old Windows Mobile devices over the years. I remember then that trying out different roms sometimes meant things would stop working.
Here's my problem. I have a Nexus 7 and it works fine on stock unrooted 4.1.2. I think. I've used the Nexus Root Toolkit to (very easily) unlock and root it. When rooted on stock rom (4.1.1 or 4.1.2), it takes a couple of seconds to turn on from sleep, sometimes needs to reboot, sometimes the gyroscope/acceslerometer locks and doesn't work as it should...
Is a rooted Nexus 7 less stable/reliable than an unrooted one?
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I'm new to the whole Android thing but I used to install lots of roms on my trusty old Windows Mobile devices over the years. I remember then that trying out different roms sometimes meant things would stop working.
Here's my problem. I have a Nexus 7 and it works fine on stock unrooted 4.1.2. I think. I've used the Nexus Root Toolkit to (very easily) unlock and root it. When rooted on stock rom (4.1.1 or 4.1.2), it takes a couple of seconds to turn on from sleep, sometimes needs to reboot, sometimes the gyroscope/acceslerometer locks and doesn't work as it should...
Is a rooted Nexus 7 less stable/reliable than an unrooted one?
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Rooting doesn't make a difference on stability (or shouldn't)
All rooting does is give you admin rights to parts of the phone not accesible without rooted. Basically...
Customer ROM's for the Nexus at the moment (and sorry about this devs but its true) are not yet up to par with the Stock ROM.
Its stable pretty fast and not bad with battery.
Hope this helps.
Right so after lots of erratic behaviour with rooted stock 4.1.2, I unrooted and relocked the boot loader. It was better already but I've also run the Forever Gone thing and it's now working perfectly.
I would like to root again but not at the expense of stability. I had previously use the Toolkit if it makes any difference.
littld said:
Right so after lots of erratic behaviour with rooted stock 4.1.2, I unrooted and relocked the boot loader. It was better already but I've also run the Forever Gone thing and it's now working perfectly.
I would like to root again but not at the expense of stability. I had previously use the Toolkit if it makes any difference.
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Rooting and/or unlocking the bootloader will have no direct effect on stability. What you do with your device after rooting is entirely a different issue.
Wilks3y said:
Rooting doesn't make a difference on stability (or shouldn't)
All rooting does is give you admin rights to parts of the phone not accesible without rooted. Basically...
Customer ROM's for the Nexus at the moment (and sorry about this devs but its true) are not yet up to par with the Stock ROM.
Its stable pretty fast and not bad with battery.
Hope this helps.
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This would be true if it weren't a Nexus device. We can more or less compile the same ROM that Google shipped. CyanogenMod 10 in my experience has been rock solid stable, though obviously there are still some bugs, I have encountered none. I also used EOS for a little, and that was equally great.
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Is a rooted Nexus 7 less stable/reliable than an unrooted one?
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Nope.
IF you flash a non stock rom and/or kernel, then it depends on what you use. Read notes and user replies.
Sometimes I do get random shut downs when not in use, both while charging and not charging. I am not sure if that is a 4.1.2 issue or if it's tied to the rom I'm using. Have had it happen on two different roms.
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Nope.
IF you flash a non stock rom and/or kernel, then it depends on what you use. Read notes and user replies.
Sometimes I do get random shut downs when not in use, both while charging and not charging. I am not sure if that is a 4.1.2 issue or if it's tied to the rom I'm using. Have had it happen on two different roms.
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I lost the ability to control the music app with my headphone controls after rooting, it didnt happen when I opened the box and played with the nexus
Some apps are written to block rooted devices but there's no way the mere act of unlocking and rooting would affect overall stability.
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After a day on stock rom I thought it was settled but no...
The battery drained down and after that it kept getting stuck at the Google Cross animation. I spent a while re-flashing stock rom and eventually it starts up. Sometimes. The accelerator issue remains but it is less frequent.
I contacted Google who put me on to Asus. They are going to send me an RMA number and we'll take it from there.
how do you revert or reset to a factory state???
I´m new with the nexus 7 so really have no clue
To reset your device, go to "settings", then "backup & reset", and finally "factory data reset".
The difficult in waking is something I went through with my N7. I found there is a bug with the auto-brightness setting. If I use the manual option I don't experience any problems.
I rooted my N7 the day I got it (had experience with SGS and Gnex) and haven't looked back. I haven't had any other issues than the "sleep of death".
Hope this helps.
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how do you revert or reset to a factory state???
I´m new with the nexus 7 so really have no clue
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Bit Banger said:
To reset your device, go to "settings", then "backup & reset", and finally "factory data reset".
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If you mean stock non rooted, then the above will set you back to factory.
If you are rooted, that will not remove the root. You will need to flash a stock image to completely return to stock and then re-lock the bootloader.
I seem to have had more problems if the power runs down. I have turned off the auto brightness and I agree it's better in terms of starting up. I still have the issue with rotation not always working. Also, I notice it takes several seconds for the screen to come on when I press the power button. Is that normal?
littld said:
I seem to have had more problems if the power runs down. I have turned off the auto brightness and I agree it's better in terms of starting up. I still have the issue with rotation not always working. Also, I notice it takes several seconds for the screen to come on when I press the power button. Is that normal?
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No, that is not normal, whether you're rooted or not.
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If you mean stock non rooted, then the above will set you back to factory.
If you are rooted, that will not remove the root. You will need to flash a stock image to completely return to stock and then re-lock the bootloader.
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will the toolkit help me do this???
if so will it delete the sd card??
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Okay now it's getting weird. I got an RMA number and they are due to collect it tomorrow and fix it. Since I got the RMA number it has behaved perfectly. I did make a video of the problems but since making the video I've not been able to reproduce them. The battery is down to 14% now, will see what happens when it is fully drained. One major difference is the power button instantly switches the device on whereas it used to wait a few seconds.
Can hardware just fix itself like that? I'm concerned they'll get it and say they can't detect any problems and charge me for the shipping...
I'll keep on testing until morning but if you guys have any ideas please let me know.
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will the toolkit help me do this???
if so will it delete the sd card??
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I've used Wug's toolkit to return to compete stock. It will wipe everything. It's a two step process, you will still need to lock the boot loader. Go read the thread in the Android development section.
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It's fine, even rooted so have cancelled the RMA. Hopefully it was just a short term fluke.
Several weeks on I have had no more repetition of these problems. I did have a line flicker occasionally before installing 4.2 but even that problem has gone away now. I just don't understand how the behaviour can be so unpredictable like it needed to settle into its new home or something.
Well guys I ordered this from Walmart on the 18th and it got to my house today around lunch. It does have some pretty bad light bleed at the 2 bottom corners but if I turn up the brightness it is less noticeable. But I haven't watched a dark HD quality movie like the new batman in a dark room either. Been researching this device for the last few months and was skeptical to get it after hearing so many problems with the screens and the lagging situation in the stock browser and games. I have been rooting and romming phones since my att captivate i897 with the help of everyone here at xda of course and now I want to make my nexus 10 a better experience than what I'm getting out of the box. I know, I know there are tons and tons of threads on here with guys in my exact situation and I need to read,read, and read some more. Plus Google search bar is my friend when it comes to knowledge. I know all this already. What I wanted to know from you nexus 10 owners is this..........
1. Is mskips toolbox the way to go with this device ( I already downloaded it)
2. Are you guys having better results running a custom ROM with clock able kernel to help alleviate the lag issues?
3. Also wanted to know which browser you guys like the best quickness wise and least laggy?
4. I have not installed the update yet either. It says it's ready to install. Should I or are you guys having more issues with 4.2.1?
5. Can I do what I normally do once rooted and take off all the Google bloatware that I don't need with tibu?
Guys I'm really not trying to beat a dead horse and yes I will continue to read everything I possibly can on my situations because (knowledge is power)!
Thanks in advance guys for any tips or advice!
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BTW guys I just wanted to say that I'm sitting in my pitch black garage typing this with the brightness set pretty low and my eyes really don't notice the light bleed that much or maybe it just doesn't bother me that much. I also wanted to say that I'm definitely a nerd when it comes to having the latest devices with the best hardware and I'm happy with my nexus 10. This is my first tablet and I know that the apps designed for this will come eventually. I know the games will too. As of now I think I made a good choice. If the light bleed bothers me enough or I can't fix my lagging situation or waiting for a while sometimes for a page too open like on here the xda app, I can always return it for a refund. I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Sorry for the long rants.
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Best advice....don't do anything (root/ROM) until you've spent a week or more with the tablet stock. Go ahead and take the update, you may want to factory reset after it though to make sure you are sitting on a clean, stock, 4.2.1 system. I've had zero issues with the update...or my tablet.
Play with the tablet, get a feel for the hardware/OS stock and see if you need to (or want to) install a ROM later. Also this gives you a chance to have a base feel for comparison if you do install a ROM later
Make the decision based on your experiences with the tablet and not on what you read here.
So far I've found no uses to Rom It. My S3 is running AOKP only because WiFi Tether and a couple other features...like cpu throttle/battery life. I think I'm going to keep my N10 pretty much stock....but I do have Nova running...pretty smooth and update went smooth as well. It does get frozen from time to time, but a simple reboot fixes it. I
When Freezing occurs or major lag - This is a new device and new O.S. updates will come.
Thank you very much guys for your input. I did use mskips toolbox to unlock,root, and add recovery. Main reason is all the lag I'm experiencing with chrome browser and in games. Want to install AOKP browser. Very smooth compared to chrome. Also wanted to be able to maybe add an overclockable kernel to speed things up a little in gaming. Need for speed most wanted and defense zone 2 HD has horrible Lag. That upsets me too because this thing has awesome internals and I know it can shine at anything I throw at it with just a little help from guys on here at xda. I'll just keep my thoughts to myself because there are enough threads here to complain about what Google and Samsung could have did to make this tablet shine.
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Ocean browser is the way to go. By far the smoothest browser I've seen on android. I used PaulObrien's super boot I think its called to root without unlocking. I did that and then took the official OTA updates. Worked a charm.
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1. Is mskips toolbox the way to go with this device ( I already downloaded it)
2. Are you guys having better results running a custom ROM with clock able kernel to help alleviate the lag issues?
3. Also wanted to know which browser you guys like the best quickness wise and least laggy?
4. I have not installed the update yet either. It says it's ready to install. Should I or are you guys having more issues with 4.2.1?
5. Can I do what I normally do once rooted and take off all the Google bloatware that I don't need with tibu?
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1. Not a big fan of any toolkits; so I don't know (I do stuff manually )
2. Might be placebo, but I've had a better experience in CM 10.1 nightlies than stock; but then again, CM has a more updated Kernel and source (atm)
3. AOSP Chrome isn't too bad either actually (I haven't experienced any of the horror most people seemed to report)
4. Update
5. You can freeze unneeded apps (or just remove them), install adblockers, and get access to certain data files
Thanks espionage724
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I've been playing with this tablet for about a day now and I must say, I don't think I've ever had the feeling that I didn't need to Root for any reason, but this tablet just works so well out of the box that I'm not missing anything in terms of performance or applications.
I was just wondering if anyone decided to forgo the flashing/rooting/roming process because the tablet just works.
Amen brother. So good out of the box... Just tasted Google Play Music as well... Wow! Almost don't even need Nova Launcher with stock JB 4.3 haha I might not bother rooting this time round unless something really uber comes along
Well I do think it is very nice out the box. Smooth and snappy. So, yes stock is good enough for me right now. I have root and recovery, so if some custom rom comes along and it looks interesting, I may try it out. However, until that image is released, everybody is going to be pretty close to stock. The only thing I don't like is the toggles/tiles don't work like they should. I tap the wifi tile and it opens the settings for wifi, not turn it on. Not a big deal tho...
Nope. I need the custom re-boot menu and quiet hours and I can no longer live without Pie.
THe stock worked perfectly tho. I had no issues at all.
Gotta have root for the six axis app so I can game it up with my ps3 c controller
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Grievance said:
Amen brother. So good out of the box... Just tasted Google Play Music as well... Wow! Almost don't even need Nova Launcher with stock JB 4.3 haha I might not bother rooting this time round unless something really uber comes along
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I ended up installing Action Launcher just to have those shutters and widgets
DaemonAshra said:
I ended up installing Action Launcher just to have those shutters and widgets
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Action Launcher doesn't count in this discussion, personally. It's basically good enough to kick the tar out of launchers on just about any framework you'll ever find (although it does look a tad out of place on my otherwise Sense-running HTC One).
Mostly yes, but I still root because I enjoy using Greenify and there are some other behaviors that require more permissions than stock Android will give us. The inclusion of the app permission manager though is quite wonderful.
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The only thing I don't like is the toggles/tiles don't work like they should. I tap the wifi tile and it opens the settings for wifi, not turn it on. Not a big deal tho...
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Long hold. They reversed the behavior from 4.2. Short tap = settings, Long tap = toggle on/off. Quite honestly, I prefer it in the 4.3 way better. I really don't turn off WiFi or Bluetooth, and having to go settings -> wireless -> bluetooth to get to the bluetooth settings was a bit much.
I root for the couple of apps that need it, but I run stock otherwise. Did on my original N7 as well.
No stuck sucks..... waste...
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No stuck sucks..... waste...
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Thank you for that brilliantly enlightening post.
I am happy with my stock setup right now. I am unlocked and rooted though. I also tried a couple of kernels but I am back to stock kernel. Same with ROMs. I will continue trying new ROMs but will keep using stock for now. My ultimate ROM will be a stable/clean ROM with Tablet UI.
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No stuck sucks..... waste...
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Thanks. You are a shining example of conversational excellence.
Stock rom will be good enough until all if not all issues are resolved with the CM. Till then, ijust have my N7 rooted for titanium back up and other misc apps that require root.
Stock is good enough for my needs, but I installed CM anyway just to get that little extra
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Running stock + Root + Extra Power Menu
At least right now that is good enough since its so quick. I'd like to try out other roms or have a good kernel but going to wait til more testing is done with what is out there and get some of the bugs worked out as I've tried them but get mixed results for performance and stability. Right now stability is key and performance is very good as is stock, but more is always better, in due time
I find I miss the little things CM had. For example when downloading. In stock the arrow stays there constantly lit, it doesn't do the animation.
Thing is, it might look and feel smooth, but it can always get better. Rooting and custom ROMS just simply allow the further enhancements, customization, smoothness, and potential to save battery life. I really don't see any reason not to Root/use custom ROMS for any case as long as your comfortable with the process. Maybe if the device was used for business i could understand that maybe, but for personal usage why not take advantage of whats out there instead of settling for less? It's not like it voids your warranty anyways when you can always restore it to stock before turning it in.
To be honest I cant see how anyone can live without some of the great things that require root
Linaro/03 optimized kernels
Overclocking
PER APP DPI
Trickstermod
Rom Toolbox
Lux autobrightnes (If you read books on this puppy it's a must)
Fully featured equalizer - seriously this needs to be universal on all devices
SD Maid
Titanium backup
Custom toggles, and AOKP ribbon controls
Custom boot animations
...Stickmount (don't you need root for this?)
And thats just off the top of my head stuff that I personally use all the time. So I guess most of that stuff could be run on a "stock" setup, but where is the fun in that. What is the point in investing in suck an awesome dev device, and not loading up on the fantastic tools that have been made possible through the hard work of XDA's members?
McKay91 said:
I find I miss the little things CM had. For example when downloading. In stock the arrow stays there constantly lit, it doesn't do the animation.
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Try a different browser, dolphin is awesome, and shows you tons of details when you download files. The notification icon itself is very unobtrusive.
Except that recent versions of dolphin have made it horribad. I found it so slow as to be unusable and have moved to chrome. Dolphin also force quits on my phone all the time for no apparent reason. Used to love it.
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I downloaded the file on Tuesday and the phone has been working great. FYI, there is a wipe involved with the download. There's no warning before the fact it's during the setup.
Anyway, the phone has been great but last night, while charging, I noticed that the charging percentage and the time were not changing and the phone froze. My first freeze ever with any phone. The only thing I could think of was to hold the power button. After 4-5 , power button holds it recycled and came back.
One thing I noticed is that the phone, while charging, was warmer than usual and historically this phone doesn't get warm or hot.
Just a heads up, I may set up a chat with Oneplus just to see what they say
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I downloaded the file on Tuesday and the phone has been working great. FYI, there is a wipe involved with the download. There's no warning before the fact it's during the setup.
Anyway, the phone has been great but last night, while charging, I noticed that the charging percentage and the time were not changing and the phone froze. My first freeze ever with any phone. The only thing I could think of was to hold the power button. After 4-5 , power button holds it recycled and came back.
One thing I noticed is that the phone, while charging, was warmer than usual and historically this phone doesn't get warm or hot.
Just a heads up, I may set up a chat with Oneplus just to see what they say
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I guess you were on open beta. Its always like that if you "downgrade" from beta to stable there is a wipe involved.
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I guess you were on open beta. Its always like that if you "downgrade" from beta to stable there is a wipe involved.
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I was on beta but now I'm on the final, which I downloaded Tuesday. From my chat with OP ,minutes ago, they told me to clear the cache from the power menu and report back to them if this happens again.
pbman1953 said:
I was on beta but now I'm on the final, which I downloaded Tuesday. From my chat with OP ,minutes ago, they told me to clear the cache from the power menu and report back to them if this happens again.
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Recovery then wipe system..you'll need to reset up your phone but your storage will remain intact..
May be another way but not sure.
We're you rooted? Did you disable magisk mods before hand?
dladz said:
Recovery then wipe system..you'll need to reset up your phone but your storage will remain intact..
May be another way but not sure.
We're you rooted? Did you disable magisk mods before hand?
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I'm actully not rooted. After reading the pros and cons I don't know if I need it at this point. After you leave a Verizon Samsung phone then go to a Pixel and now the 8 pro, it's pretty stripped compared.
After chatting with OP , the cache clearing so far has helped.
Thanks!
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I'm actully not rooted. After reading the pros and cons I don't know if I need it at this point. After you leave a Verizon Samsung phone then go to a Pixel and now the 8 pro, it's pretty stripped compared.
After chatting with OP , the cache clearing so far has helped.
Thanks!
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Definitely a tonne of benefits to rooting.
To name a few:
Backing up and restoring apps and their data as they are.
Proper ad blocking system wide.
Modifying the phone: centre clock, removing zram.
Magisk mods
Root apps like WiFi kill, Kali, system UI tuner
Kernels
Magisk ROMs
Full ROMs
I couldn't have an android phone without rooting. I've lived with a Huawei so I know how dull it gets.
dladz said:
Definitely a tonne of benefits to rooting.
To name a few:
Backing up and restoring apps and their data as they are.
Proper ad blocking system wide.
Modifying the phone: centre clock, removing zram.
Magisk mods
Root apps like WiFi kill, Kali, system UI tuner
Kernels
Magisk ROMs
Full ROMs
I couldn't have an android phone without rooting. I've lived with a Huawei so I know how dull it gets.
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On the routing your making me curious-
Backing up and restoring apps and their data as they are.- not sure what this does
Proper ad blocking system wide.- add blocking where, Google, Facebook etc?
Modifying the phone: centre clock, removing zram.- I'm ok with the clock, what is zram?
Magisk mods- have never used them, but back in the day when I had my Note 4 there was a cool prgram for rooting that had all kinds of mods and tools
Root apps like WiFi kill, Kali, system UI tuner- not sure how that benefits me
Kernels- not sure what they do
Magisk ROMs- I see them here talked about alot
Full ROMs- When I had my Note 4 I tried roms all the time. They were cool but there was always some kind of bugginess about them
Since my Note 4, I've been out of the rooting game.
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On the routing your making me curious-
Backing up and restoring apps and their data as they are.- not sure what this does
Proper ad blocking system wide.- add blocking where, Google, Facebook etc?
Modifying the phone: centre clock, removing zram.- I'm ok with the clock, what is zram?
Magisk mods- have never used them, but back in the day when I had my Note 4 there was a cool prgram for rooting that had all kinds of mods and tools
Root apps like WiFi kill, Kali, system UI tuner- not sure how that benefits me
Kernels- not sure what they do
Magisk ROMs- I see them here talked about alot
Full ROMs- When I had my Note 4 I tried roms all the time. They were cool but there was always some kind of bugginess about them
Since my Note 4, I've been out of the rooting game.
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Titanium can back up or remove any app as it is. If you remove let's say a game you'll lose all progress unless you have a sync feature.
The only add blocking you can have without root is using a fake VPN, it's overkill and not as efficient at removing ads. And yes ads from the whole device and all apps.
Zram ? Google it.
Magisk - yes the mod is magisk.
Not sure how they benefit you? I'm losing the will to live here, they were examples, you find what you need.
Kernels - Google it
Note 4 I had it myself, some of the absolute worst examples of ROMs on XDA.
You crack on at stock you seem happier there.
It was just a suggestion. Nvm
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Titanium can back up or remove any app as it is. If you remove let's say a game you'll lose all progress unless you have a sync feature.
The only add blocking you can have without root is using a fake VPN, it's overkill and not as efficient at removing ads. And yes ads from the whole device and all apps.
Zram ? Google it.
Magisk - yes the mod is magisk.
Not sure how they benefit you? I'm losing the will to live here, they were examples, you find what you need.
Kernels - Google it
Note 4 I had it myself, some of the absolute worst examples of ROMs on XDA.
You crack on at stock you seem happier there.
It was just a suggestion. Nvm
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Thanks for writing back. For me I'm a performance junky. I'm not a gamer just a surfer that wants a high octane machine, if possible. Does rooting do that? I remember Titanium from the past , good tool and you have to be careful is what I remember.
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Thanks for writing back. For me I'm a performance junky. I'm not a gamer just a surfer that wants a high octane machine, if possible. Does rooting do that? I remember Titanium from the past , good tool and you have to be careful is what I remember.
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Nah titanium is safe.
Does rooting help with speed, I would say so yes, I've made a phone run an emulator it had no business running..
Mainly through zram being disabled and having a kernel that allows a higher clock speed, plus the ROM I was running being as light and efficient as possible..
Stock simply cannot compare with that.
Everyone on here wants the fastest phone, the 865 in the 8 pro is the fastest processor there is..it's quicker than the Nvidia shield pro which I have, it can run things that the shield can't..
Performance isn't an issue with way, but yes being rooted opens doors that just don't exist for stock.
To play devil's advocate on the rooting thing...
I've been doing the android thing since gingerbread (good 7+ years). Back then it was an absolute MUST. These days not so much.
Most of the reasons to root back then was to add features that weren't available in Android stock ROMs at the time.
Let me give you some CONs to rooting before you jump into it...if these don't apply then have at it and have fun. It's fairly easy to do on this phone and once you have TWRP up and running you can pretty much revert any screw up and get your phone back up and running and have fun with tinkering.
1.) Do you enjoy Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, YouTube TV (TV service not YouTube app), or any other app that requires Winevine DRM encryption? OnePlus devices drop from L1 to L3 once you unlock the bootloader (requirement for root). Those apps will now all be at 480P 30FPS instead of 720p/1080p or 60 FPS. Total deal breaker for me watching sports on the road need the 60 FPS.
2.) Do you like to use GPay? It can work but it's a cat/mouse game with Google Play Services.
3.) It's fun theming with Substratum but every time there's an app update you have to hope it doesn't bork the theme. Gotta install an OTA? Disable all your modules, uninstall your themes, flash, and then re-enable. Tedious. Maybe I"m getting older but wife, kids, family stuff I don't want to be messing around with all this?
4.) Want ad-blocking? Blokada works excellent. I have an old rooted tablet (Tab S3) and it uses AdAway. Both effectively block my ads. Also I run a personal VPN at my house with PiHole so I can block that way too by connecting to my home VPN on the road.
5.) Swift Backup will backup most of your apps without root. It'll restore them without data. I've never in the 7 years of messing with Android had a perfect 1:1 restore with TWRP and Titanium Backup.. There's always little things that act up. Not a deal breaker these days missing Titanium Backup. Especially when not root and constantly mucking with the system it's usually pretty rock solid not requiring a constant TWRP/Titanium solution.
6.) Most praise Viper4Android. Great app. Stock it sounds fine for portable use. No phone DAC is going to compete with dedicated equipment so you're basically polishing a turd. There's better equipment out there to get solid audio. Phone isn't one of them.
7.) I haven't looked into rooting this phone for months so my last point is dated and I believe there is a fix but last i checked (once again a few months back haven't been on XDA for a bit) there were some serious fingerprint loss when unlocking the bootloader and then trying to relock or use MSMTool to go back to stock.
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To play devil's advocate on the rooting thing...
I've been doing the android thing since gingerbread (good 7+ years). Back then it was an absolute MUST. These days not so much.
Most of the reasons to root back then was to add features that weren't available in Android stock ROMs at the time.
Let me give you some CONs to rooting before you jump into it...if these don't apply then have at it and have fun. It's fairly easy to do on this phone and once you have TWRP up and running you can pretty much revert any screw up and get your phone back up and running and have fun with tinkering.
1.) Do you enjoy Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, YouTube TV (TV service not YouTube app), or any other app that requires Winevine DRM encryption? OnePlus devices drop from L1 to L3 once you unlock the bootloader (requirement for root). Those apps will now all be at 480P 30FPS instead of 720p/1080p or 60 FPS. Total deal breaker for me watching sports on the road need the 60 FPS.
2.) Do you like to use GPay? It can work but it's a cat/mouse game with Google Play Services.
3.) It's fun theming with Substratum but every time there's an app update you have to hope it doesn't bork the theme. Gotta install an OTA? Disable all your modules, uninstall your themes, flash, and then re-enable. Tedious. Maybe I"m getting older but wife, kids, family stuff I don't want to be messing around with all this?
4.) Want ad-blocking? Blokada works excellent. I have an old rooted tablet (Tab S3) and it uses AdAway. Both effectively block my ads. Also I run a personal VPN at my house with PiHole so I can block that way too by connecting to my home VPN on the road.
5.) Swift Backup will backup most of your apps without root. It'll restore them without data. I've never in the 7 years of messing with Android had a perfect 1:1 restore with TWRP and Titanium Backup.. There's always little things that act up. Not a deal breaker these days missing Titanium Backup. Especially when not root and constantly mucking with the system it's usually pretty rock solid not requiring a constant TWRP/Titanium solution.
6.) Most praise Viper4Android. Great app. Stock it sounds fine for portable use. No phone DAC is going to compete with dedicated equipment so you're basically polishing a turd. There's better equipment out there to get solid audio. Phone isn't one of them.
7.) I haven't looked into rooting this phone for months so my last point is dated and I believe there is a fix but last i checked (once again a few months back haven't been on XDA for a bit) there were some serious fingerprint loss when unlocking the bootloader and then trying to relock or use MSMTool to go back to stock.
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1- L1 remains after rooting
2- Gpay works as it should after rooting
3- Substratum theme dont break anything at least the ones I use
4- best seems Adaway - needs root
5- to save /data TWRP, fastest and easiest. Oneplus backup not bad
6- viper4android, that requires Root makes the sound much better on this phone
7- I never faced the fingerprints loss and anyway there is fix on the threads
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1- L1 remains after rooting
2- Gpay works as it should after rooting
3- Substratum theme dont break anything at least the ones I use
4- best seems Adaway - needs root
5- to save /data TWRP, fastest and easiest. Oneplus backup not bad
6- viper4android, that requires Root makes the sound much better on this phone
7- I never faced the fingerprints loss and anyway there is fix on the threads
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I was literally about to say all of this. +1111111
Spot on.
Weird thing for me these days is not needing twrp, it's always been my safety net, but it's just not needed these days, if they ever get rid of Fastboot then it's game over, I'll be buying an iPhone.
The great thing about OOS and magisk ROMs is it retains the goodness from stock and gives you the tweaks systemlessly. Which is nice and safety net passes.
I agree with all of the above.
But either way @ the OP you do you, I'll do me.
PS: I've been doing the android thing since the G1 which was doughnut I think it was it cupcake?
If something is a risk to you then you haven't looked into it enough, there is always a way back, which is where you learn the most about yourself and your device.
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Nah titanium is safe.
Does rooting help with speed, I would say so yes, I've made a phone run an emulator it had no business running..
Mainly through zram being disabled and having a kernel that allows a higher clock speed, plus the ROM I was running being as light and efficient as possible..
Stock simply cannot compare with that.
Everyone on here wants the fastest phone, the 865 in the 8 pro is the fastest processor there is..it's quicker than the Nvidia shield pro which I have, it can run things that the shield can't..
Performance isn't an issue with way, but yes being rooted opens doors that just don't exist for stock.
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You're making a good case for me to try it. What are the ABC's to get into rooting slowly and notice a difference?
Thanks for your help!
pbman1953 said:
You're making a good case for me to try it. What are the ABC's to get into rooting slowly and notice a difference?
Thanks for your help!
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I've got a root guide in the guides section..then I'd say check out xXx no limits, allows you to add a profile with a load of changes.. ..
Mods in themes section..
Kernels in development.