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Root or not to Root

You guys have prob seen a thread like this a million times, but I am getting my nexus 4 soon and I wasn't sure if i should root it or not. I have rooted before (droid x2, galaxy nexus, nexus 7) so I am fairly familiar with how the process works. I will not loose my updates from Google if I root and stay on stock ROM? That's what I would plan on doing anyways if I did. Thanks for the help!
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Just Google some of the benefits of having root.. if any of those sound appealing to you then... root it. If not, don't. Buuuut since you've already been rooted with several devices, you should already know if you should root or not. But thanks for making a new thread for this personal decision that you've made 3 times before
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In his defense this is a different devices I rooted and flashed rooms on my gs3 and gs2 but have not rooted or anything to this device but the key is yet right now haven't found a huge reason to do so this rom works perfectly for me and I get a days use out of it
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I just couldn't stand it no more and rooted after 1 month. Also flashed clockworkmod.
Went to Nightly Mako.
I love the device but feel the new Clockwork mod's blobs folder, unable to access backups so easy, and the dam memory size...
I hesitate and hope Nightlies are flawless. Frankly its awesome. So are is the Stock ROM.
I just prefer CM10.1

ROOT!!

If I were to flash nexus 4 PA would I need to wipe system as well as do a factory reset in recovery? The directions just say factory reset.
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You had better gain root... Gaining root denotes a gain not a loss. Unlocking the bootloader means your unbacked data would be lost. So back up data and root and enjoy. And yes you may wipe system I recommend it.
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Hi,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2180999&highlight=root+or+not+root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2194992&highlight=root+or+not+root
And: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=root+or+not+root,+why?

Original thread, what`s next: Wich rom should i choose?, please tell me all about while i wait for your answers because i`am too lazy to look for myself

gee2012 said:
Original thread, what`s next: Wich rom should i choose?, please tell me all about while i wait for your answers because i`am too lazy to look for myself
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Hi,
LOL... That's what I thought, like all these kind of threads...
Locked soon... ?

viking37 said:
Hi,
LOL... That's what I thought, like all these kind of threads...
Locked soon... ?
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Yes.

[Q] Greetings! need some help

Hello all,
I'm very new to the XDA fourms, and would like to thank everyone for having and keeping such a supportive community for Android based products
I would like to start off saying I just recently purchased a Nexus 4 and I would really like to root it, i'm a complete noob too rooting and have a few questions. I did read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1995688 and the how too Youtube video. questions below
1. I did see that i can keep the custom rom and just unlock and root my device, but will this allow me to change my cpu speed and such to conserve battery or would i need to install a different kernal and rom?
2. After rooting and unlocking my device and keeping stock rom will i still be able to get OTA updates without reverting back to factory state? or would i have to revert back to factory state DL the OTA update and re-root again?
3. I know that nexus 4 tool kit says Root Stock Jelly Bean builds (upto 4.2.1 JOP40D), can i use this for 4.2.2 or is their a updated Tool kit for 4.2.2? and if their is can someone please provide a link i tried searching for it and couldn't find anything, and preferably from Mr. mskip
I know these questions have probably been asked a million times and i apologies in advance for that. (noob problems )
Also advice and opinions are always extremely welcome :good:
Best,
Pkang

pkang said:
Hello all,
I'm very new to the XDA fourms, and would like to thank everyone for having and keeping such a supportive community for Android based products
I would like to start off saying I just recently purchased a Nexus 4 and I would really like to root it, i'm a complete noob too rooting and have a few questions. I did read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1995688 and the how too Youtube video. questions below
1. I did see that i can keep the custom rom and just unlock and root my device, but will this allow me to change my cpu speed and such to conserve battery or would i need to install a different kernal and rom?
2. After rooting and unlocking my device and keeping stock rom will i still be able to get OTA updates without reverting back to factory state? or would i have to revert back to factory state DL the OTA update and re-root again?
3. I know that nexus 4 tool kit says Root Stock Jelly Bean builds (upto 4.2.1 JOP40D), can i use this for 4.2.2 or is their a updated Tool kit for 4.2.2? and if their is can someone please provide a link i tried searching for it and couldn't find anything, and preferably from Mr. mskip
I know these questions have probably been asked a million times and i apologies in advance for that. (noob problems )
Also advice and opinions are always extremely welcome :good:
Best,
Pkang
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1. CPU control is a function of the kernel. You can keep the stock kernel, but I'd recommend a custom one. More features and capabilities.
2. I may be mistaken, but I believe your OTA will function as long as you are on the stock ROM and kernel with the factory files in place and the stock recovery. That's a lot to sacrifice for an update, especially when they'll be readily available here.
3. Don't use a toolkit. Use the rooting sticky to learn how to do it right.

thank you
estallings15 said:
1. CPU control is a function of the kernel. You can keep the stock kernel, but I'd recommend a custom one. More features and capabilities.
2. I may be mistaken, but I believe your OTA will function as long as you are on the stock ROM and kernel with the factory files in place and the stock recovery. That's a lot to sacrifice for an update, especially when they'll be readily available here.
3. Don't use a toolkit. Use the rooting sticky to learn how to do it right.
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thank you so much!
so use this sticky thread?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2183555
or can you recommend one?

pkang said:
thank you so much!
so use this sticky thread?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2183555
or can you recommend one?
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Yes, that thread has a lot of great info you should read up on if you are new to all of this.
Here is also a great thread if you just want to root the stock ROM. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2018179
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El Daddy said:
Yes, that thread has a lot of great info you should read up on if you are new to all of this.
Here is also a great thread if you just want to root the stock ROM. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2018179
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much much thanks!
Also i just wanted to know why the nexus 4 toolkit isn't recommended for beginners?
best,
Parm

pkang said:
much much thanks!
Also i just wanted to know why the nexus 4 toolkit isn't recommended for beginners?
best,
Parm
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Because when one uses a toolkit nothing is learned. If they ever run into a problem they won't know how to fix it. It also makes it more difficult for others to help because they don't understand the terminology.
I wrote more about this last January. That thread is linked in my signature "Dangers of toolkits and one click root methods."
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I wouldnt worry about updates.
Devs upload there ROMs with new android updates quickly.
Itll be much easier just to flash custom UPDATED ROMs than ota updates in my opinion.
Franco kernel would be a great start for you as well.
Amazing kernel.
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What a freakin mess....

So last night I decided (against my better judgment) to install TWRP recovery and flash the OTA. I did it, then had trouble rooting it. I decided to just say screw it and then restore my Nandroid backup (which I made like a good boy). Then I got a failed message on the restore. Booted back up to a fresh boot. Brand new "please select your language" .. Wtf? So then I went back to TWRP wiped everything tried to restore again. Now... Fail. So now I can't boot up because I wiped my ROM and I'm freaking stuck all over this 4.3 update. Really?
So now I will try to wait until WUGS toolkit gets updated and see if I can use it to flash a stock 4.3 image to the device then root it. I don't know if i can even use that toolkit if I don't have a ROM on the device. Anyone had experience with such a cluster and have advice? Any thoughts on why the nandroid didn't restore?
:banghead:
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Start again, using the 4.3 factory image, and do it MANUALLY - none of this BS toolkit rubbish

EddyOS said:
Start again, using the 4.3 factory image, and do it MANUALLY - none of this BS toolkit rubbish
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I haven't had any trouble with the toolkits personally and Wugs kit is very nice and easy to use. This whole mess does not stem from the use of a toolkit. Really something screwed up with TWRP I just don't know what caused it.
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Here's a guide made by me... It's really straight forward. And no waiting for toolkits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO7HkTrRzwM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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italia0101 said:
Here's a guide made by me... It's really straight forward. And no waiting for toolkits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO7HkTrRzwM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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To follow your guide do i need to be stock or can i use flash-all.bat even if i'm on sabermod and have twrp installed?

Federico_96 said:
To follow your guide do i need to be stock or can i use flash-all.bat even if i'm on sabermod and have twrp installed?
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Yep anything you want. Doesn't matter, I was on pa and matrix
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Well thanks. I will look forward to watching this. Again this will flash stock img, root, and unlock bootloader? And I don't have a rom on my device at all. Is that okay?
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jcnbama said:
So last night I decided (against my better judgment) to install TWRP recovery and flash the OTA. ...
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I could tell this was going downhill after reading this first sentence. Why would you install a custom recovery in order to flash an OTA? I don't mean to offend you but you have a lot of reading to do before you continue flashing anything.
I was in the same boat and confused as hell back in my Nexus One/Galaxy Nexus days. What I've discovered after a lot of trial and error as well as A LOT of reading, is that once you become extremely familiar with using ADB and Fastboot commands you realize how unbelievably simple this stuff really is. Even soft bricks are just small hiccups that won't stress you out anymore.
Learn how to properly use ADB/Fastboot commands through terminal (in OSX) or command prompt (n Windows) and you will realize that the toolkits are silly and do exactly the same thing.
Again, I mean this in the least offensive way possible. This is coming from someone who thought he bricked his Nexus 7 and let it sit in a drawer for 5 months before finally understanding ADB/Fastboot, pulling it out of the drawer and having it back up and running within 10 minutes...
jcnbama said:
Well thanks. I will look forward to watching this. Again this will flash stock img, root, and unlock bootloader? And I don't have a rom on my device at all. Is that okay?
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This is completely OK. Follow THIS guide (just one of many) to learn how to setup your computer for ADB/Fastboot. Then follow THIS guide to learn how to flash back to completely stock. No current ROM is required on your phone to do any of this.

I swear this is a nightmare. I don't have TBU or anything. I literally have to start over. I am always VERY careful to read and make back ups that's why I use TWRP it's why I make Nandroids and this just sucks. Ugh. I have to piss and moan I don't know where to start lol. Thanks for letting me vent..
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jcnbama said:
I haven't had any trouble with the toolkits personally and Wugs kit is very nice and easy to use. This whole mess does not stem from the use of a toolkit. Really something screwed up with TWRP I just don't know what caused it.
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its not that there is trouble using root toolkits(even though there is occasionally), it the fact that you dont learn to do things the right way. and when little issues come up, the knowledge isnt there to fix things yourself. and those little minor things turn into major headaches/issues.

simms22 said:
its not that there is trouble using root toolkits(even though there is occasionally), it the fact that you dont learn to do things the right way. and when little issues come up, the knowledge isnt there to fix things yourself. and those little minor things turn into major headaches/issues.
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Well I do understand that point. It's a good one. I honestly don't know how to use ADB like I should. But at the same time it's a lot easier and if used properly can prevent mistakes. And good Devs make good money in donations so everyone is happy.. Lol :beer:
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Without knowing, i took the OTA update...does that mean i cant root anymore?

So stupid me, my note 3 downloaded the update itself, i got a text, reached for my phone and without knowing accidently clicked the install button.
Does this mean rooting cant be done for my note 3 anymore? or is there a workaround.
If i factory reset, does that revert my phone to the version it came out of the box?

Nah man your good. There's an app out though I haven't tried yet but I think it's called Kingo Root. Look for it on google. You can then install safe strap and flash some roms. I recommend Beans in my opinion tried em all and that one stuck for me.
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There are so many of these thread, yet people continue to make more and more... I think there should be one thread that is stickied or something where people discuss these issues instead making these threads over and over again
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Trying to make a package so I can use keimdall

Forgive me if my post is in the wrong section. I'm wanting to be able to use keimdall instead of Odin to go back to stock and am stuck at creating the firmware.xml. I have never done anything like this before, and I obviously don't want to brick the device. I am completely lost at the id's. Where can I read up on this or has someone already made a package that I'm just not seeing?
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Theres more to it than the package, as far as i knos it wont flash at all even with that, theres a couple pulls you can rebuild it with that supposedly work but i havent gotten to testing them yet, I have a thread kinda about this already actually if you want to check that. Also you were incorrect about the section, you've posted in general but this would more appropriately fit in the q & a section, no worry though.
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