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Might get the DHD (Inspire), Some questions.

I have some questions for you dhd owners as they are basiclly the same phone, please be honest.
1.how is the screen quality? With super Amoleds and iphone and atrix's high res screens how does the super LCD hold up? Does it look good in person? Text look good? Is it much better looking then say a 3GS? Very important to me, I want a good screen as I went from the Captivate to the 3G3 (my Captivate broke) and it was a huge downgrade imo.
2.Does the LED light do blue, red, yellow as well or just green and orange?
3.How is the camera quality? Wasnt impressed with the N1's camera and I here the desires was bad as well, this good?
4.How is the phone in person? Build quality? Does it feel REALLY big?
5.Will they get 2.3 officially? Beyond? And will it be supported a lot by xda devs in the future?
6.Music quality is very important to me, is the audio loud and good through headphones?
7.is the phone call quality loud and clear, another problem I had with my N1 and I eventually had to get rid of it because the call quality was too low.
8.Battery, be honest. How is it?
9.And finally how happy are you with your DHD and would you reccomend it to someone at this point in time?
Thanks in advance!

solidkevin said:
I have some questions for you dhd owners as they are basiclly the same phone, please be honest.
1.how is the screen quality? With super Amoleds and iphone and atrix's high res screens how does the super LCD hold up? Does it look good in person? Text look good? Is it much better looking then say a 3GS? Very important to me, I want a good screen as I went from the Captivate to the 3G3 (my Captivate broke) and it was a huge downgrade imo.
2.Does the LED light do blue, red, yellow as well or just green and orange?
3.How is the camera quality? Wasnt impressed with the N1's camera and I here the desires was bad as well, this good?
4.How is the phone in person? Build quality? Does it feel REALLY big?
5.Will they get 2.3 officially? Beyond? And will it be supported a lot by xda devs in the future?
6.Music quality is very important to me, is the audio loud and good through headphones?
7.is the phone call quality loud and clear, another problem I had with my N1 and I eventually had to get rid of it because the call quality was too low.
8.Battery, be honest. How is it?
9.And finally how happy are you with your DHD and would you reccomend it to someone at this point in time?
Thanks in advance!
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1. The screen quality is very good. (S)AMOLED vs (S)LCD is a thing that is really down to personal preference. I find LCDs better than AMOLEDs because the colors look more realistic. IMO the only thing AMOLEDs are better is the true black. Viewing angles in AMOLEDs are useless. You never look at your phone at that angle. Compared to iPhone 3G screen the DHD is mindblowing (I think 3GS has the same screen as 3G). Even compared to iPhone 4 the DHD holds its ground. Pixel density is lower but the big screen experience makes up for that.
2. Although the LED is tri-color and theoreticaly it can produce any color, AFAIK there is no way to make it flash other than green or amber for now.
3. Camera quality is good, minding it's a HTC's phone. You can check the camera guide in the sticky thread, there are ways you can improve the camera performance and some actual pictures taken with the DHD.
4. Build quality is amaising. It's my first phone with alluminum body and it makes a difference. Some users reported SIM and/or battery cover misalignment, but I have nothing of the sort. Also on mine DHD the camera is slightly misaligned with the body, but it doesn't interfere with its performance. Actualy I had the same issue with my second Touch HD, while the first one I had was perfect. Anyway that doesn't make photos blurry or anything.
The DHD might seem big, but in a few days you'll realise that it's just that all the other phones are small . I got used to it pretty fast. The fact that most of the area is used by the screen makes it's size reasonable. There is no feeling of a waste of space like on the iPhone.
5. I suppose the DHD will get 2.3 from HTC. Not so sure for anything else, but I'm willing to bet this great forum will not leave the DHD behind
6. The stock headphones are crap. With some quality headphones you can get great sound. Also SRS and Dolby make a difference.
7. Again there are user that complain about low in-call volume. I had no such issues, but it seems that if the headspeaker is not aligned with your ear the volume drops significantly.
8. Battery is good enough. With moderate to heavy use it easily lasts a day. At first it seems bad, because a/ it's still not conditioned and b/ you play with your new phone way too much. Once the excitement about your new toy has passed and the battery has few cycles behind it's back things improve. Charging every night is a must though. I could go through two days only with minimum usage.
9. Being my first Android I'm very excited about the DHD. I bought mine in late October and since then I had no reasons to be sorry about my purchase.
Anyway, if you have the chance to try the phone in person, I suggest you do it. Everyone demands different things from his/her phone and it's always best to see how you feel with the phone.

Thank you very much, main thing I was worried about was the Screen Quality, I mean it not being Amoled or anything and being so big, but thanks again.

solidkevin said:
Thank you very much, main thing I was worried about was the Screen Quality, I mean it not being Amoled or anything and being so big, but thanks again.
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In that case I really think you should try it in a shop and decide for yourself. These are things that can most easily be checked with a live unit. Camera, volume, sound quality require more tweaking and time to evaluate, but screen and size are the two most noticable things in the phone

Yup on the 13th I will go to ATT and check out the inspire, I am kinda worried about the battery life but then again it cant be as bad as the 3GS im using...

solidkevin said:
Thank you very much, main thing I was worried about was the Screen Quality, I mean it not being Amoled or anything and being so big, but thanks again.
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Big and more portable then a tablet or Dell streak 5"
The screen is more natural then the s-amoled screens. No hard non-natural colors bumping in to your eyes.

tkolev said:
1. The screen quality is very good. (S)AMOLED vs (S)LCD is a thing that is really down to personal preference. I find LCDs better than AMOLEDs because the colors look more realistic. IMO the only thing AMOLEDs are better is the true black. Viewing angles in AMOLEDs are useless. You never look at your phone at that angle. Compared to iPhone 3G screen the DHD is mindblowing (I think 3GS has the same screen as 3G). Even compared to iPhone 4 the DHD holds its ground. Pixel density is lower but the big screen experience makes up for that.
2. Although the LED is tri-color and theoreticaly it can produce any color, AFAIK there is no way to make it flash other than green or amber for now.
3. Camera quality is good, minding it's a HTC's phone. You can check the camera guide in the sticky thread, there are ways you can improve the camera performance and some actual pictures taken with the DHD.
4. Build quality is amaising. It's my first phone with alluminum body and it makes a difference. Some users reported SIM and/or battery cover misalignment, but I have nothing of the sort. Also on mine DHD the camera is slightly misaligned with the body, but it doesn't interfere with its performance. Actualy I had the same issue with my second Touch HD, while the first one I had was perfect. Anyway that doesn't make photos blurry or anything.
The DHD might seem big, but in a few days you'll realise that it's just that all the other phones are small . I got used to it pretty fast. The fact that most of the area is used by the screen makes it's size reasonable. There is no feeling of a waste of space like on the iPhone.
5. I suppose the DHD will get 2.3 from HTC. Not so sure for anything else, but I'm willing to bet this great forum will not leave the DHD behind
6. The stock headphones are crap. With some quality headphones you can get great sound. Also SRS and Dolby make a difference.
7. Again there are user that complain about low in-call volume. I had no such issues, but it seems that if the headspeaker is not aligned with your ear the volume drops significantly.
8. Battery is good enough. With moderate to heavy use it easily lasts a day. At first it seems bad, because a/ it's still not conditioned and b/ you play with your new phone way too much. Once the excitement about your new toy has passed and the battery has few cycles behind it's back things improve. Charging every night is a must though. I could go through two days only with minimum usage.
9. Being my first Android I'm very excited about the DHD. I bought mine in late October and since then I had no reasons to be sorry about my purchase.
Anyway, if you have the chance to try the phone in person, I suggest you do it. Everyone demands different things from his/her phone and it's always best to see how you feel with the phone.
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+1 to this.
About audio volume, generally, I dont have any problems but playing YouTube video's useually nets me very low/weak volume. I have no idea why but everything else plays loud. It might be an app issue, methinks.

The only thing that really sucks is the mic.

1. Screen quality is great. Text is clear, images look wonderful, video is more than watchable on a screen this size (all depending on the source, of course).
2. I've only ever seen green and orange, but I've never needed any other colour.
3. It's an HTC phone; The camera is an afterthought, really. Autofocus performs well, images are typical for a camera phone really. For a quick snap at a party it's great, if you want photos to remember take a digital compact with you.
4. I found the phone very big to begin with, but got used to it very quickly. A lot of reviewers said it was too big to use one handed, but that's all I ever do now. I have big hands and can reach the screen with minimal adjustment. If you have smaller hands, you may have more of an issue. FWIW, typing even in portrait mode with both thumbs is easy on a screen this size.
5. No idea about Gingerbread officially, but I wouldn't be surprised if we got 3.0 on it too. Should be able to run the improved UI as the DHD has a dedicated graphics chip and capable CPU.
6. I sold my iPod. Enough said.
7. Like many people, I find that you need the phone placed very exactly over your ear to get good volume out of it. I also find that unless the phone is pressed against my cheek, the person on the other end has trouble hearing me. Not a big deal, just needed to adjust how I hold my phone.
8. I'd like more battery life, obviously, but I get a day out of it with moderate use, a weekend with light use.
9. I would absolutely recommend the DHD to anyone who wanted an android phone with a large screen, capable software and hardware, and the money to afford one. I almost sold it to get a Motorola Defy, but I'm glad I didn't.

4.How is the phone in person? Build quality? Does it feel REALLY big?
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In my Oppinion the size is not too big. But if you take the DHD than take another Phone, the other one will fell REALLY small!

matzestinks said:
The only thing that really sucks is the mic.
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I am trying to recommend a AT&T phone for my mom, and I am thinking Inspire or atrix. I was leaning toward inspire because it will be available sooner, has a bigger screen, and a higher Megepixel camera. (plus I like my friends EVO)
I know that everybody likes to defend their phone, it is only natural,but please provide some cold hard feedback. There seems to be a lot of not so minor issues with this phone.
problems seem to be mounting from the feedback online:
1. Battery life is bad. every other 4"+ smartphone has a 1500 mah battery, and still have battery problems, so why make it even worse with a 1230 mah?
2. I am hearing the camera sucks. That is just the opposite of my Vibrant I find the pictures and video are incredibly good, and everyone always asks "did you really take that with your phone?" I figured an 8mp camera should be even better than the 5mp on my samsung, am I wrong about that?
3 The Mic sucks? what does this mean? Do people conplain about sound quality on phonecalls?
Dont get me wrong I love HTC build quality as I have had their phones before, but I dont want to buy a phone that I already know has some not so small problems. I also dont want my mom to have to tweak the heck out of the phone to make the battery last a day, or turn the screen down to where she can barely see it, or turn off 3g for goodness sake.
Are the problems popping up on the forums overblown? should I pick up an inspire, or should we wait for the Atrix?

My 2 cents
I'm a HTC die hard but I've had more issues with the DHD than any other devices before it.
A few (key) issues...
- Random reboots. Happened today during a call when an appointment alarm sounded off. Sometimes it just reboots when idle..
- Screen freeze - sometimes the device will not reach on touch input. Wait it out or reboot...
- Lag problem. The unofficial "USB fix" with reduced lags significantly, but not 100% on my device
- Bluetooth is slow to connect and sometimes only connects with HS profile (no A2DP). Half the times it's okay though. Also, A2DP disconnects randomly.
- Integration with Google navi removed in FW 1.72. But even with FW 1.32 there were problems - ex. Google Navi failing to lookup adress' searched from car panel.
This being a flagship device I expected a lot more. I still like HTC devices but I honestly cannot recommend the DHD to anyone.

HoundDK said:
I'm a HTC die hard but I've had more issues with the DHD than any other devices before it.
A few (key) issues...
- Random reboots. Happened today during a call when an appointment alarm sounded off. Sometimes it just reboots when idle..
- Screen freeze - sometimes the device will not reach on touch input. Wait it out or reboot...
- Lag problem. The unofficial "USB fix" with reduced lags significantly, but not 100% on my device
- Bluetooth is slow to connect and sometimes only connects with HS profile (no A2DP). Half the times it's okay though. Also, A2DP disconnects randomly.
- Integration with Google navi removed in FW 1.72. But even with FW 1.32 there were problems - ex. Google Navi failing to lookup adress' searched from car panel.
This being a flagship device I expected a lot more. I still like HTC devices but I honestly cannot recommend the DHD to anyone.
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There is something seriously wrong with your phone. For more than 3 months now, I didn't experienced a single random reboot, the only delay I have in touch input is when the phone is installing something and I think that's normal, the only lag issue I had experienced was back in the days when we had no permroot and I had the old version of Visionary (even without temprooting the device). The lag was gone as soon as I deinstalled Visionary, but I turned on USB debugging just in case. I only use BT to connect to my handsfree while driving and when transfering files to/from my laptop and had no problems with that. Don't know about Google navigation because it's not available in Bulgaria, the only flaw in the preinstalled navi app IMO is that it has no landscape mode.
Anyway check what you have installed on your phone and if you have overclocked, reduce the max freq, because the reboots you experience are deffinately not normal nor common.

No problems at all
HoundDK said:
I'm a HTC die hard but I've had more issues with the DHD than any other devices before it.
A few (key) issues...
- Random reboots. Happened today during a call when an appointment alarm sounded off. Sometimes it just reboots when idle..
- Screen freeze - sometimes the device will not reach on touch input. Wait it out or reboot...
- Lag problem. The unofficial "USB fix" with reduced lags significantly, but not 100% on my device
- Bluetooth is slow to connect and sometimes only connects with HS profile (no A2DP). Half the times it's okay though. Also, A2DP disconnects randomly.
- Integration with Google navi removed in FW 1.72. But even with FW 1.32 there were problems - ex. Google Navi failing to lookup adress' searched from car panel.
This being a flagship device I expected a lot more. I still like HTC devices but I honestly cannot recommend the DHD to anyone.
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Well mate you should go to a service center whit your DHD a friend of mine has simular problems and in the first serie s of the DHD is a lot that gives problems he went back whit it and they give him a new one
Regards

HoundDK said:
I'm a HTC die hard but I've had more issues with the DHD than any other devices before it.
A few (key) issues...
- Random reboots. Happened today during a call when an appointment alarm sounded off. Sometimes it just reboots when idle..
- Screen freeze - sometimes the device will not reach on touch input. Wait it out or reboot...
- Lag problem. The unofficial "USB fix" with reduced lags significantly, but not 100% on my device
- Bluetooth is slow to connect and sometimes only connects with HS profile (no A2DP). Half the times it's okay though. Also, A2DP disconnects randomly.
- Integration with Google navi removed in FW 1.72. But even with FW 1.32 there were problems - ex. Google Navi failing to lookup adress' searched from car panel.
This being a flagship device I expected a lot more. I still like HTC devices but I honestly cannot recommend the DHD to anyone.
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You do have a faulty phone i believe because i do not have does issues..
As for call phone volume i m on the stock rom and i don't have that kind of issues, weird maybe i put right in the first place i don't know.

1. Screen is fab. My original desire amoled screen wasn't as sharp as dhd and I love it.
2. Size well at first I thought it will be to big but after few days i've got use to it and now holding anything smaller feels weird
3. Build quality well. No problems here really. My SIM cover has maybe 1mm gap but I use barely there protection case and don't pay attention to it.
Aluminium body is great but due to the phone being so thin quite often it slips of my hand but with protective case it makes it slightly thicker and it's just right now...
4. Battery is ok I can easily get day use and it's actually better than original desire
5. Camera well I'm not a photographer but photos look very good to me and I love sense photo enhance feature
6. Sound quality well ring tone could be Lauder and i've not been using my phone as mp3 player.
Voice quality is ok imo
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Thanks for the info mattskeet sounds like a satisfied customer to me!
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Just buy your mom an iPhone
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crankdelly said:
Just buy your mom an iPhone
There's no need to be vulgar.
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What I dont like about the DHD?
1. The battery cover. That thing is damn hard to open.
2. That excess sealing thing at the right side of the LCD.
3. Volume rocker. Its a little to flush and difficult to use.

Very Disappointed

Hi all, I've received my new Galaxy s2 three days ago and I've faced a lot of the same problems that were affecting my first Sgs.
Here is a quick list:
1- Wifi poor reception (worse than sgs, desire,desire hd and Iphone 4)
2- Screen is blueish like my first sgs(In miu rom or cm7 it isn't blue because I can set the red color with voodoo color!!! so it's a faulty software calibration damn!!)
3- Gps lock is fast but not strong, it keeps disconnecting with Google navigator and works better with Sygic. Worse than Desire, Desire hd, Iphone 4, but better than my Sgs.
4-Random reboot!
5- Poor sound output through headphone!! Worse than all the other devices except Sgs, but since Supercurio realeased Voodoo sound it rocks!
I don't know if this problems could be solved by the community, but I am very frustrated. I put my trust in Samsung again and in the online reviews but now i fell betrayed.
I hope that I could return my phone to get another device but since htc locked its bootloaders I don't know what to choose...
I hope You all find my post useful if You are going to buy Sgs 2.
Could anyone that has Lg phone like optimus 2 tell me if this phone is good or if it has a lot of problems like galaxy 2?

not worth the effort of posting against a fixed viewpoint .
Deleted my phone works details as someone dont agree that out of a million phones sold some work ok .
jje

I've got one on order but all this disappointment is swaying me to cancel it and hold out with my iPhone 4 a while longer, there's nothing wrong with it to me anyway.

Don't return the phone, there's nothing wrong with it.
I've had 4 Galaxy S2's pass through my ownership so I think I'm pretty well equipped to say whats normal for these phones and whats not.
- Wifi
Wifi reception IS poor. My old HTC Desire and my girlfriends HTC Desire both get MUCH better range on the wifi than the Galaxy S2. The range on all the Galaxy S2's I've had has been the same - poor. This is a common complaint about the G2. Anyone who says they don't have this problem either has no idea what good wifi range is, or is just lying out of their ass.
- Screen
The screen does indeed have a blueish tint on it. There's a thread about it on these forums. Nothing we can do about that. Again, another common issue to all G2's.
Also the some other issues you have mentioned. Touch screen sensitivity is on the low side, you can tap the screen lightly and quickly enough so that it doesn't register an input. This is impossible to do on a HTC Desire.
Also the pixel response time is said to be 0.001ms by Samsung, but this is a load of crap. It works out closer to 6-8ms, as evident when scrolling black text on a white background (or vice versa) the text will blur slightly.
- GPS
The GPS is pretty poor at the moment, hopefully it improves with updates, majority of people are complaining about this, myself included. None of the 4 G2's I had could get a quick lock on GPS (they take flipping ages). The GPS is REALLY hit and miss at the moment.
- Random Reboots
This is a REALLY REALLY common issue. It's been reported everywhere. However, depending on the frequency of the reboots would determine whether or not I'd class it as faulty. Of all the G2's I've had, NONE of them have randomly rebooted. However if yours has rebooted like once or twice over the week, I'd count that as normal, happens on a few android phones. But if it does it anymore than that, get it replaced.
- Poor Sound Output
This is completely subjective. But I have an expensive amp and speaker setup that I use on my PC which I've got used to so I'm really picky about sound quality and yes I agree, the sound output is abit naff. But it's not terrible by any means. I can live with it.

mcreego said:
Hi all, I've received my new Galaxy s2 three days ago and I've faced a lot of the same problems that were affecting my first Sgs.
Here is a quick list:
1- Wifi poor reception (worse than sgs, desire,desire hd and Iphone 4)
2- Screen is blueish like my first sgs(In miu rom or cm7 it isn't blue because I can set the red color with voodoo color!!! so it's a faulty software calibration damn!!)
3- Gps lock is fast but not strong, it keeps disconnecting with Google navigator and works better with Sygic. Worse than Desire, Desire hd, Iphone 4, but better than my Sgs.
4-Random reboot!
5- Poor sound output through headphone!! Worse than all the other devices except Sgs, but since Supercurio realeased Voodoo sound it rocks!
I don't know if this problems could be solved by the community, but I am very frustrated. I put my trust in Samsung again and in the online reviews but now i fell betrayed.
I hope that I could return my phone to get another device but since htc locked its bootloaders I don't know what to choose...
I hope You all find my post useful if You are going to buy Sgs 2.
Could anyone that has Lg phone like optimus 2 tell me if this phone is good or if it has a lot of problems like galaxy 2?
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If you think desire and Desire HD has better sound, you need your ears checked.
Desire HD is horrid, absolutely horrid when it comes to sound. It does not even give you proper stereo effects. Its a disaster.
That 1 point made me ignore whatever rest you said.

I use it with miu rom and it comes with dsp that made the sound good. The only problems I have with Dhd is low ringtone( partially solved by kernel implemention) and incall volume very very low and distorted at full volume.
Someone thinks is possible a change if a return the phone in the first 7 days with another phone?

It sounds like you have a faulty device tbh.
I can't compare to all the devices you can but my girlfriend has a desire (on my recommendation.) The SGS2 is superior in every issue you're having. And i loved her desire. I was actually surprised how much of a leap the SGS2 felt like.
LawAce said:
I've got one on order but all this disappointment is swaying me to cancel it and hold out with my iPhone 4 a while longer, there's nothing wrong with it to me anyway.
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All new phones have issues. Actually ALL phones have issues period. This phone is actually getting hugely positive reactions from both reviewers and general users like myself. It always amuses me how some people can only focus on the negative comments

I'm extremely happy with my SGS2. Comparing it to my Nexus S, DHD, Dell Streak, SGT and HD7, I have no complaints at all.
I will buy the HTC Sensation/Pyramid when it comes out, which will be a mistake (locked bootloader), I will set it up and then put it in a drawer forever.
If anyone doesn't like their SGS2, simply take it back. I will be keeping mine. It is amazing.

Funkym0nkey said:
If you think desire and Desire HD has better sound, you need your ears checked.
Desire HD is horrid, absolutely horrid when it comes to sound. It does not even give you proper stereo effects. Its a disaster.
That 1 point made me ignore whatever rest you said.
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he is talking about the sound volume level thru headphones i believe. and since tons of other people claim the SGS2 has poor headphone volume, i think he is telling the truth. just look around the forum, the posts are everywhere.

Exactly I was talking about headphones...I think that I will try a substitution to see if another sgs2 is different

I used GPS + Google Nav for over 5 hours straight 2 days ago... not a single overshoot, random jump to an adjacent street, arrow spinning around at a stop light, lost signal, etc. I don't know what the GPS complaints are about as I also own an unbranded i9000, but the SGSII's GPS/Nav performance is VOLUMES better than the i9000 GPS was even with both software and hardware tweaks.
Agreed on the WIFI though, WIFI does seem a bit weaker, but then again, the SGS's WIFI wasn't that great either. The plus side is, I do find the mobile reception much better than the SGS... my house is at the edge of coverage, and I could barely get a signal at times with the SGS. SGSII pulls H+ with no problems at my house.
At the end of the day, you're packing in WIFI, multiple GSM/UTMS, bluetooth bands, GPS all into one very slim device with limited real estate, I figured one of the antennas would be weaker. This time around, it looks like it's WIFI that suffers.

RogerPodacter said:
he is talking about the sound volume level thru headphones i believe. and since tons of other people claim the SGS2 has poor headphone volume, i think he is telling the truth. just look around the forum, the posts are everywhere.
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Heh, even I reported that volume is on lower side compared to other phones in that audio thread as soon as I got my SGS2.
But I would still take sgs2 volume over unacceptable stereo output of Desire HD.
Volume is actually sufficient if you have iems with decent isolation. Over ear headphones might be a problem.
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Never have a single sudden reboot on my phone( maybe it reboots during my [email protected]@)
Coming from an ip4, the soud via headphone is rather bad, hopes voodoo will make it better
Nothing to complain with my phone.

drm111 said:
Don't return the phone, there's nothing wrong with it.
I've had 4 Galaxy S2's pass through my ownership so I think I'm pretty well equipped to say whats normal for these phones and whats not.
- Wifi
Wifi reception IS poor. My old HTC Desire and my girlfriends HTC Desire both get MUCH better range on the wifi than the Galaxy S2. The range on all the Galaxy S2's I've had has been the same - poor. This is a common complaint about the G2. Anyone who says they don't have this problem either has no idea what good wifi range is, or is just lying out of their ass.
- Screen
The screen does indeed have a blueish tint on it. There's a thread about it on these forums. Nothing we can do about that. Again, another common issue to all G2's.
Also the some other issues you have mentioned. Touch screen sensitivity is on the low side, you can tap the screen lightly and quickly enough so that it doesn't register an input. This is impossible to do on a HTC Desire.
Also the pixel response time is said to be 0.001ms by Samsung, but this is a load of crap. It works out closer to 6-8ms, as evident when scrolling black text on a white background (or vice versa) the text will blur slightly.
- GPS
The GPS is pretty poor at the moment, hopefully it improves with updates, majority of people are complaining about this, myself included. None of the 4 G2's I had could get a quick lock on GPS (they take flipping ages). The GPS is REALLY hit and miss at the moment.
- Random Reboots
This is a REALLY REALLY common issue. It's been reported everywhere. However, depending on the frequency of the reboots would determine whether or not I'd class it as faulty. Of all the G2's I've had, NONE of them have randomly rebooted. However if yours has rebooted like once or twice over the week, I'd count that as normal, happens on a few android phones. But if it does it anymore than that, get it replaced.
- Poor Sound Output
This is completely subjective. But I have an expensive amp and speaker setup that I use on my PC which I've got used to so I'm really picky about sound quality and yes I agree, the sound output is abit naff. But it's not terrible by any means. I can live with it.
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1) What you mean by wifi range? I always get full bar anywhere in my house except my backyard with 3 bars.
2) Screen? Don't really care about it. And I think average consumer too dont really care about the tint.
3) GPS locked in 3sec everytime i use it. Never got disconnect or any other problem.
4) Random reboots? Really? I've seen those thread about it but tbh i never encounter this kind of issues.
5) Sound quality is not important to me. A decent one would be enough. Without using earphone, I prefer SGS II than my DHD. But when using earphone DHD is much better. And yes this is very subjective.
After following a few thread about SGS II problem I'm glad that my SGS II doesn't have it. So far i'm happy with my phone and it does whatever I want. In the end of the day there is no perfect phone in this world and everyone wants more and more. Is hard to pleased tech gadget but I think for average consumer this phone is good enough at the moment.

i actually like this phone lol

I guess people from first batch was the lucky ones. I'm not having any of the listed issue.
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Nope, even people who got their GS2 on release have been having issues (like me)

oh maaan, i was about to purchase this phone in the coming month. and was expecting this phone's volume to be powerful just like my omnia hd. but.... it disappointed me, sh......t wat the hell is this. ok is there any one who can confirm whether this problem [ headphone volume] can be fixed by xda xperts .plzz

weird. no problems here, and I had two gs2's, since the first one had a dead pixel, so I exchanged it.
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sajadkhan806 said:
oh maaan, i was about to purchase this phone in the coming month. and was expecting this phone's volume to be powerful just like my omnia hd. but.... it disappointed me, sh......t wat the hell is this. ok is there any one who can confirm whether this problem [ headphone volume] can be fixed by xda xperts .plzz
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I think I saw in code somewhere in GS2, don't remember where, that it sets limit because of EU(we have laws for max. volume). I think we'll have to look that way, but it seems to be a good reason.
With PowerAmp & EQ "Phone Speaker Loud" it is loud enough for me .

Are you happy with your G2's ?

Hello, I apologize if the thread alredy exist! I did search!
So coming from far kingdom of 4X HD I want to to know if you owners of the G2 are happy with this phone
What are the common issues you really faced, I did read some blogs with common issues but i believe here the people who really have experiance with the device can give me more accurate info.
I am aiming for the D802 model non carrier branded open europe region.
Also i will not flash any roms and kernels and mods to it.
My 4x HD fits perfectly to my needs but it has some issues with it like bad build quality some plastic parts around the sides of the device are coming off. It has overheating issues. Its power button keeps dirt and its not responsive. So does the G2 come with such issues ?

I have it 10 days now, and wish I didn't bought it actually.
had issues with data connection on 3G/4G when it was on 4.2.2, now on 4.4.2 seems that is corrected
Next thing that irritate me is when you're in browser it doesn't react well when you scrolling, you need do realase fingers two times for every scroll. Tried in various browser on both JB and KK, and it is same
Next, on the sun, screen is barely readible
Next, sound is really crap, you can forgot to speak via speakerfon, and music is terribly bad produced via speakers
Camera, it sucks at low light
Web browsing, S4 and i5 are FASTER, we done side by side test
Also connecting to wifi is at least 4 times slower than my ex i5, my wifes S3
Placing of volume keys are really retarded
If you buy 16GB version, you will actually have less than 9GB free. I'm so mad on this, and you cannot put SD card.
I have 6GB pictures from my ex i5, putted Navigon, and almost no space left. I had lots of Android phones till now, but this G2 is worst ever. For the first time I was unable to keep NAND backup on the phone, few ROMs, and pictures, navigation,... you name it.
It looks very cheap too.

jucca said:
I have it 10 days now, and wish I didn't bought it actually.
had issues with data connection on 3G/4G when it was on 4.2.2, now on 4.4.2 seems that is corrected
Next thing that irritate me is when you're in browser it doesn't react well when you scrolling, you need do realase fingers two times for every scroll. Tried in various browser on both JB and KK, and it is same
Next, on the sun, screen is barely readible
Next, sound is really crap, you can forgot to speak via speakerfon, and music is terribly bad produced via speakers
Camera, it sucks at low light
Web browsing, S4 and i5 are FASTER, we done side by side test
Also connecting to wifi is at least 4 times slower than my ex i5, my wifes S3
Placing of volume keys are really retarded
If you buy 16GB version, you will actually have less than 9GB free. I'm so mad on this, and you cannot put SD card.
I have 6GB pictures from my ex i5, putted Navigon, and almost no space left. I had lots of Android phones till now, but this G2 is worst ever. For the first time I was unable to keep NAND backup on the phone, few ROMs, and pictures, navigation,... you name it.
It looks very cheap too.
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Sell it, then
I'm really happy with mine, coming form an HTC One, the only thing i missed is the stereo audio
The rest, is superior in G2, battery life is spectacular, awesome camera, wonderful screen!

erto90 said:
Sell it, then
I'm really happy with mine, coming form an HTC One, the only thing i missed is the stereo audio
The rest, is superior in G2, battery life is spectacular, awesome camera, wonderful screen!
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Happy as hell after recently using s4, note2, htc one(built quality and audio was awesome) and Htc butterfly.
Doesnt looks cheaper than Galaxy series.

This is me

erto90 said:
Sell it, then
I'm really happy with mine, coming form an HTC One, the only thing i missed is the stereo audio
The rest, is superior in G2, battery life is spectacular, awesome camera, wonderful screen!
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Agree, screen is really godd, but in indoors
Batery life is great, can't and I didn't complained about that.

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Agree, screen is really godd, but in indoors
Batery life is great, can't and I didn't complained about that.
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Outdoor screen is just OK, but is like all the others..

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Outdoor screen is just OK, but is like all the others..
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Not true. i5 has miles better screen in outdoor.

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Not true. i5 has miles better screen in outdoor.
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never tried iphones, never liked them, so can't say if that's true or not
but for android devices, g2 is just like all the others top gamma outdoor

erto90 said:
never tried iphones, never liked them, so can't say if that's true or not
but for android devices, g2 is just like all the others top gamma outdoor
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You have to beleive me. If I have to read something on a sunny day with a G2, need to cover screen to be readable. Never done this with an i5
I have to keep brightness at almost 100% at all the time, never needed to keep it so high on any phone till now.

I don't have that much trouble. I use lux, so I automatically get the best brightness for legibility.
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I'm really happy with my G2. Coming from a Galaxy S4, the battery life is stellar, the stock-based roms are awesome and I must say I don't regret the "stock" CM/AOSP experience with this phone.
For camera, stock is just OK but with the available mods it becomes very good. Granted, it's not the best one can find but it's definitely great for a point-and-shoot use.
Screen wise, I've never been much bothered with the sun so far. My experience is same or better than with the SGS4.
Performance overall is very good and I hardly find any activity where I'm dissatisfied with it. Often the lags and stutters are more caused by the app as I had experienced the same with my S4.
Buttons placement is actually good when you need to adjust during a call. Otherwise it may not be the most intuitive but you get just used to it and it becomes natural.
Knock on feature is awesome. Can't wait for knock code (d801 here...)
Call quality is very good, no complains on that front.
Speaker quality, well for Skyping it's good and loud enough, and I don't understand people listening to music through their phone speakers anyway. When it's in public I want to slap them and in private you gotta have crappy hears to listen to music on ANY phone that way anyway. When you buy a high-end, high-dollars phone you get a dock or BT speakers.
I certainly don't regret the switch!
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Ouch i am impressed how large the community of the G2 it is!
I missed ot ask something... Since the 4X is the 3rd LG device i used i had an 2x long time ago also used optimus G it wasnt mine
And i noticed that on software side there are some issues. On the stock 4.1.2 of the 4x it takes up to +/- 5secs. to open dialer app then a lot of lag
After using it for about week or two it becomes almost unuseable. And the features LG merged on the 4.1.2 to prevent 4x from cathing fire were the most stupid thing they could do... 10 mins of internet or smth that uses more CPU... and brightness drop to 70% then more 10 mins and drops to 50% and you are not able to brighten it up till gets cool again....

Came from iphone 4s and am extremely happy I made the switch. I'm definitely in love with this phone. The screen size is perfect for me and the display is very nice. I also enjoy the really slim bezels and I like the back buttons( hope I'm not the only one lol).
Also enjoy flashing custom ROMs
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I'm quite happy with my experience with the LG G2 thus far. I agree that sunlight legibility is not the best, but it is still not that bad. I hardly use my phone outside anyway. The only thing I don't really like is the glossy enclosure. I wish LG used the soft rubber that it used for the Nexus 5.
Oh, and it helps that the development for our phone is active. I get just the experience I want with all the ROMs, kernels and Xposed modules available out there.
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jucca said:
I have it 10 days now, and wish I didn't bought it actually.
had issues with data connection on 3G/4G when it was on 4.2.2, now on 4.4.2 seems that is corrected
Next thing that irritate me is when you're in browser it doesn't react well when you scrolling, you need do realase fingers two times for every scroll. Tried in various browser on both JB and KK, and it is same
Next, on the sun, screen is barely readible
Next, sound is really crap, you can forgot to speak via speakerfon, and music is terribly bad produced via speakers
Camera, it sucks at low light
Web browsing, S4 and i5 are FASTER, we done side by side test
Also connecting to wifi is at least 4 times slower than my ex i5, my wifes S3
Placing of volume keys are really retarded
If you buy 16GB version, you will actually have less than 9GB free. I'm so mad on this, and you cannot put SD card.
I have 6GB pictures from my ex i5, putted Navigon, and almost no space left. I had lots of Android phones till now, but this G2 is worst ever. For the first time I was unable to keep NAND backup on the phone, few ROMs, and pictures, navigation,... you name it.
It looks very cheap too.
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from what i read here 9Gb are not really enough for you... and you were happier with your i5...
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Came from iphone 4s and am extremely happy I made the switch. I'm definitely in love with this phone. The screen size is perfect for me and the display is very nice. I also enjoy the really slim bezels and I like the back buttons( hope I'm not the only one lol).
Also enjoy flashing custom ROMs
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Nice i am happy to hear possitive comments about this phone its nice.

N6 isn't the perfect Nexus ..

After a week of testing my N6 i can clearly say that N5 was a long way better in his time ..
I'll explain myself.
With the bug that make the sound going from low to loud. (And don't say it's feature because it's not ! Exemple : when you reboot your phone for exemple, unlock it and go to one game like clash of clan very quickly for exemple, you'll clearly hear the sound making weird things like there's low volume then going up by itself ..)
The performance issues.. (Many games stuttering, Facebook app that lags like hell, Here Maps too, Shazam stuttering animation.. Well in other word many app that doesn't act like it should with the power of our N6)
The battery isn't as great as Note 4 or at least comparable.. it's very inconsistant .. well it's still better than N5 but it's just "OK"
The purple tint when very low brightness (amoled issue but again Note 4 don't have a issue like that)
The camera is more than OK but it's still not like something WOW and taking a picture take much time if you compare to other flagship..
I don't own a Note 4 but after all YouTube Videos and even a friend Note 4 that's why i'm comparing these two..
But i own a N5 and back in december 2013 when i receive my N5 i can clearly say that it wasn't the perfect phone but more close to perfect phone than our N6 is.
I really hope that Google update will solve at least the performance issue and the "inconsistant sound" issue cause it's clearly software issue and make our battery a bit better.. Then i'll say that N6 will be more close to the perfect "phablet" I love my n6 beside all these issues, the material used, the 6" screen, the speakers (when they go well) and lollipop feature are awesome !

I gave up on the nexus and got a g3. I'm very happy. Its running lollipop and I have no complaints.

Some devs were talking about bad coding and lazy game devs being the cause of the stuttering since they haven't optimized them for lollipop; the same can be said for lag in apps.
The tint at low brightness is because the Nexus goes below 0 if you compare adaptive vs regular when both are at 0. You will notice the same thing if you use Lux brightness app on the Note 4.
The speaker bug will be fixed so that's not a big deal
My battery life is great, but YMMV.
The camera takes excellent pictures its more user error most of the time. Check our the Nexus pictures OP if you want some good examples of what it can do in good hands.

I'm with you on the poor game performance. Whatever the reason it's unacceptable and I'm going to give this several months to hopefully get ironed out.

Personally for me I loved the Nexus 4. If it had better LTE support I'd still rock one. I'd liked to have seen the new Droid as a Nexus. To me that would have been a better idea.
That said for my dreams, the N4 body with a 4.95in AMOLD dispaly and N5 hardware would have KILLED it for me.

Pilz said:
Some devs were talking about bad coding and lazy game devs being the cause of the stuttering since they haven't optimized them for lollipop; the same can be said for lag in apps.
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Well how come that N5 with stock lollipop doesn't have any performance issue if it come from game aren't optimized for lollipop ?
I think it comes from the N6 software ..
I hope for sounds are going to be fixed ..
And for other issue as i said, it's like that and i know but well it could be better

I haven't noticed any game performance issues or sound issues. I am running Lean Kernel and have my GPU slightly OC'd though.
I have owned every Galaxy device there is (except Note 4) and the performance of my Nexus 6 is leaps and bounds over anything I've owned in the past. Its kind of like a race car.....you just have to know how to tune it right.

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The speaker bug will be fixed so that's not a big deal
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Will it? Because I'm hearing a lot of "It's a feature," the first step is admitting there's a problem.

I own the Note 4 but keep coming back to the Nexus 6. It is about preference. I'm on CleanRom + franco kernel and it is rocking in performance. This phone will only get better with software updates.
As for pictures, I learned something new by owning both phones. Yes, the Note 4 takes great pictures that look great on the phone but when comparing on a large screen I was surprised the pictures looked better from Nexus 6. I couldn't believe it.

tlf55 said:
Well how come that N5 with stock lollipop doesn't have any performance issue if it come from game aren't optimized for lollipop ?
I think it comes from the N6 software ..
I hope for sounds are going to be fixed ..
And for other issue as i said, it's like that and i know but well it could be better
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I'm just going off of what was said. I read it in the kernel OP for LK or Franco if I recall correctly. It could also be the GPU using older coding trees which aren't as optimized(it was mentioned in the same place as the above)
The sound should be fixed, soon hopefully I 5.03 or whatever the end update is called. Its rumored that 5.1 is coming out in February.
I'm much happier with this phone over my G3 I can consistently get 6 hours SOT so that's fine with me and the development is crazy compared to other phones.
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Will it? Because I'm hearing a lot of "It's a feature," the first step is admitting there's a problem.
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I don't think it is because my Nexus 9 doesn't exhibit this. It's hopefully going to get fixed here soon.

How quickly we forget... the 5's camera was utter horse crap when it was released. Go back and read those initial reviews.... it's not pretty. It took two updates to fix. My wife still has her 5 and my 6 focuses much quicker and takes far better photos in every condition we've come across.... and hers still can't focus worth a damn most of the time. Most everything written about the 6's shooter starts with some dig on the Nexus 5's camera.
And as poor as you say the battery is, I still get closer to twice the screen time on my 6.
And then there is better radios, much better speakers. And the screen... yes, the overblown red screen tint that only kicks in with ambient display and in a dark room and it's turned down...But let's ignore the lightbleed and poor contrast ratio of the 5's screen that makes blacks more like slightly uneven dark gray.
'course, the 6 doesn't fart rainbows and puke unicorns like the 5.
The 6 is a superior phone the 5 in pretty much every way and a much better match to the current competition.
But they don't make then like they used to, right? Revisionist history. I really liked my 5, but I'm not so blinded to not see reality.

Personally I love the device and couldn't care less what you did with it or why you don't like it
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I don't know what perfect would be, but this phone is pretty dang good.

Am I one of the few who thinks the Nexus 6 is a perfect phone? I have zero issues with it.

I've been content with the N6 thus far and now a 5" screen feels like a flip phone to me. I gave my mom my N5 since she has a iPhone 4S and when I tinker on it I can't believe how small it is .
I've noticed the noise issue pretty much with only system sounds.
I've been getting a lot of complements on the photo quality using the HDR+. I noticed the N5 took better pics with the HDR+ before I got my N6. I've even had iPhone users at work ask me to take photos at our Christmas party LOL.

I'm bailing out soon as the next flagship phone comes out . Disappointed

I haven't met THE perfect phone yet. But the entire Nexus line is pretty close to what i want. The Nexus 6 has actually turned me off to smaller phones now. I am a big guy with huge hands, and now the Nexus 5 feels like a Snickers bar in my hand. Does the Nexus 6 have its faults? Absolutely. Every device has its own faults. But for my needs, and how it performs for me, the faults are miniscule.

OP please list the specs of what you'd consider your perfect phone and why. For MY needs personally, the N6 is perfect. Glad I was an early adopter.

pyrogoggles said:
Am I one of the few who thinks the Nexus 6 is a perfect phone? I have zero issues with it.
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Same here.
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tlf55 said:
Well how come that N5 with stock lollipop doesn't have any performance issue if it come from game aren't optimized for lollipop ?
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This has been discussed at length in the performance thread. The fault lies with game developers who are known to put out crap code and do a terrible job supporting games.
As for faceplant...it has been a battery vampire and performance hog for a long while.

I understand your frustration.
tlf55 said:
After a week of testing my N6 i can clearly say that N5 was a long way better in his time ..
I'll explain myself.
With the bug that make the sound going from low to loud. (And don't say it's feature because it's not ! Exemple : when you reboot your phone for exemple, unlock it and go to one game like clash of clan very quickly for exemple, you'll clearly hear the sound making weird things like there's low volume then going up by itself ..)
The performance issues.. (Many games stuttering, Facebook app that lags like hell, Here Maps too, Shazam stuttering animation.. Well in other word many app that doesn't act like it should with the power of our N6)
The battery isn't as great as Note 4 or at least comparable.. it's very inconsistant .. well it's still better than N5 but it's just "OK"
The purple tint when very low brightness (amoled issue but again Note 4 don't have a issue like that)
The camera is more than OK but it's still not like something WOW and taking a picture take much time if you compare to other flagship..
I don't own a Note 4 but after all YouTube Videos and even a friend Note 4 that's why i'm comparing these two..
But i own a N5 and back in december 2013 when i receive my N5 i can clearly say that it wasn't the perfect phone but more close to perfect phone than our N6 is.
I really hope that Google update will solve at least the performance issue and the "inconsistant sound" issue cause it's clearly software issue and make our battery a bit better.. Then i'll say that N6 will be more close to the perfect "phablet" I love my n6 beside all these issues, the material used, the 6" screen, the speakers (when they go well) and lollipop feature are awesome !
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This is my first Nexus device. As for other phones, like the LG G3, which I traded for my N6, what development does it really need with the exposed framework and G3 toolbox? Pretty much let you add any feature you wanted, so not much need for development at all, except for radios and such.
I have the Note 4 and it's a great phone, got to admit the Sammy did a great job with their overlay.
That being said, the N6 does seem to be a little subpar in the software department; but no doubt it will get sorted out, probably by developers here. I think that Google did not want to miss the Holiday rush and pushed the phone out with no real and varied test user input. So the few shortcomings of the phone were probably not addressed. In the end it's about what you want the phone to do. If you're a gamer, there may be a few titles you'll have to pass on, and I doubt they'll ever get looked at because not everyone uses the Nexus nor are there many available.
However, if you use the phone for the basics like phone calls and messaging, I think it will suit you just fine. Admittedly it could use some help in the design of the lollipop messaging. Very plain and not intuitive. But there are plenty of third party messaging apps to take it's place, shame though.
Sound is usually pretty good after the phone wakes all the way up, and battery life is comparable to many smartphones out there now a days. The hardware of the phone is outstanding and should still be in play a year from now, even competitive.
The size of the phone is nothing new to me since I prefer "phablets!" The built in wireless charging is a plus and something I hope to see common place in the future on all devices, time will tell.
Lollipop 5.0 and 5.o.1 need some help, and I think if you like to tinker with your phone a lot, XDA will develop what you need. However, If you're like me and don't have the time you use to, it might be a wise choice to move on to something else. I'm holding out until the next big update to see what issues are actually addressed and what development is made to move us in the right direction. I appreciate not having all the bloat that other phones get, but I don't feel pure android is up to snuff with enough user options to keep me interested very long. Got spoiled by sammy and LG tweakbox. I feel that should be the norm and it's pretty easy after attaining root on either of these to freeze or delete the bloat so there you go. If you are an avid flasher, this is the phone for you, but if you have other hobbies and interest, plan to move on to greener pastures.

Anyone feeling a bit let down? V20 review

I am trying to convince myself that I am wrong or somehow biased, but I don't think I am in this situation. I am a phone junkie and I bounce between devices quickly. In the last 6 months I have had the Axon 7, HTC 10 (still have, S-off'd with Unlocked GSM firmware/ software), Nexus 6P, HTC M9, s7 edge, s6 edge+, iphone 7 plus, Droid Turbo, and now the V20. I will say that over all, the V20 is built beautifully and performs well. The battery life is a bit weaker than I was hoping, just like the HTC 10, the quick charge 3.0 almost covers that short coming. The things that are making me disappointed though are as follows:
LG Skin / UI : Feels a little off, made up a bit by using Nova launcher, but everyone knows it won't remove it all...
Performance: I might be expecting a bit much, but I have had my device slow down (to unbearable lag / waiting on apps to switch/come up) more than a handful of times requiring a reboot
Battery Life: As stated above, the battery life is pretty week and I find myself having to top up a towards 6 pm, it does charge quickly, but find that a little sad.
Camera: This is where I am shocked. The camera overall doesn't live up to what I expected or how it was advertised. In ideal situations, it can take good photos, and I mean GOOD, not Great. If you don't switch to manual and tweak everything out, you will be sadly disappointed. Auto focus has a hard time locking in, can get a bit of grain / noise, and if there is movement or action, good luck. In video mode or if you flip into manual mode, you can get much better results, but in the heat of the moment, not everyone will be quick to get it ready in time to get that shot. In low light situations, it has been very disappointing. The lag time between the flash / focus and getting a picture off, I end up with a blurry out of focus picture most of the time. I am basing this off pictures I take of my young daughter. The camera on the HTC 10, Axon 7, iPhone 7 plus, S7 edge, and S6 edge+ all out perform in these situations. For a phone/device that is supposed to be built around photography and video, it has been a major disappointment. the Main camera/sensor is decent, but the zoom/cropped area is a bit small. The wide angle does cover a lot more at the cost of resolution. I am hoping that LG does something to address this in software/firmware updates, but as of now, it is a huge let down.
Audio: The single firing speaker does an admirable job for playing music, speaker phone on the other hand is a somewhat weak and sometimes hard to hear, even when driving in silent vehicle with the windows closed. The Quad DAC has also let me down. After the DAC in the Axon 7 and the HTC 10, I am not impressed. It does improve the audio, but not as well as the competition. With the DAC enabled and audio all the way up, the volume level is weak. With the same headphones that I used in the Axon 7 and the HTC 10, I have no problem hearing the outside noise. I also don't feel that it is nearly as tweakable / noticeable as the HTC 10. When I had the DAC on the HTC 10 on, I could immediately tell the difference and the Highs, Mids, and Lows were way easier to notice / spot changes on. Again, maybe software updates may resolve this, but definitely a let down for me.
Overall: The phone is beautiful. For a phone with removable battery, it honestly feels like a unibody device. I am a bit disappointed in all phone manufacturers currently going to this 2.5D curved glass for no good reason, making getting tempered glass protectors a joke majority of the time. The software overall is fairly smooth. The screen is above average and the secondary screen has become second nature to me. Being able to snap a wide angle shot when others can't definitely something that has lead to people asking me what phone I am using. Had I not gone through all the phones I have in the last 6 months, I may have been way more impressed. As a flagship device, I will say it comes close to delivering what was promised. Had the Note 7 not failed miserably with the exploding issue, I think the V20 would have easily been eclipsed. This phone gets so close in many departments, but doesn't quite nail them down. Considering there is nothing else in the market that draws my attention, I will try and see if it makes it through the initial growing pains that might be solved with software updates.
Before anyone wants to say I forgot about the Pixel, no, I didn't. After having the HTC 10 (which I still have and love as a backup device) and playing with the Pixel, I see absolutely no reason to waste the money on the sad excuse of a flagship device at the same taxing price as an apple product. How google basically took the HTC 10, made it ugly , went with onscreen buttons and a whole lot of bezel, and took away removable storage but is still succeeding with it is beyond me. Yes it has an "amazing camera", assistant (you can get with root on the v20 and nexus 6p), and can charge the battery super fast, but the price tag and lack of innovation is a deal breaker.
So, please, let me know if you agree or disagree. I have been trying to be unbiased and love this phone. Am I being unreasonable, or is it really just a device that got close to the finish line and just gave up?

I think it all depends on what your needs are. We know it doesn't have the best camera. It's very competitive, but not the best. Performance can be fixed with updates. I suspect that LG rushed the ROM to be the first to have Nougat, which was one of their selling points for this phone. Battery life depends on your usage. LG's Quantum displays are horribly inefficient, so the screen is your primary battery drain, but my understanding is that idle drain is very good. Then you have fast charging and one of the few phones that you can instantly go to 100% on by swapping batteries.
For me, this is the only phone that checks all of my requirements: Functional always-on-display, IR blaster, 5.7"+ screen, good camera, removable battery and SD card. So, I'm buying the complete package, not because it's the best at everything. Every single phone has shortcomings. You need to decide which ones you can live with and buy your next device based on that criteria.

I'm with you, I thought the camera was quite a disappointment when shooting in auto mode. I liked the phone a lot (coming from a Nexus 6p) and if the camera had been good it would have been a no-brainer for me, because as greyhulk says it checks most, if not all, the boxes. But I need a camera that shoots good pics in auto mode. Sent it back.

Also disappointed with the camera. Especially after coming from the Note 7..

Settings/Developer Options/ Tick on "Force GPU Rendering" should make your beast smoother/snappier. So any kind of lag should disappear!
If root available try L Speed/Entropy/fstrim apps found on Play Store!
LG V20 & LG G5 are snappy beasts and are well optimised with the Snapdragon 820 and is better than Samsung!

Battery is my main disappointment. Even with minimal use I have only made it an entire day once. Something keeps eating battery while the phone is idle and I have yet to track it down. I suspect it is an app that needs a Nougat update. Same usage and set of apps on the S7 Edge and Note 7 would usually leave me near 50% at the end of the day.

Have to say I disagree.
The Hi-Fi is plenty loud enough and noticeably changes on the go. I have noticed though, it depends on the headphones that you are using. I have used 4 different sets. And each pair gave different results.
The camera is great. Video is turning out to be exactly as expected. As for the camera, it doesn't grab the shot in the first try every time and its nothing a tap of the screen and refocus hasn't been able to fix. But than again I haven't had a camera phone that has been able to take the shot first time every time.
Battery, that's a user to user base question. The other day I was able to get 32 hours out of my battery. But than on the other hand with very heavy use I only got 6.5 hours.

Weird I get about the same battery life as I did with my note 7. When at work I use the phone about the same amount every day 12 hr shifts and I am between. 50 to 70 percent
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I think your disappointment stems from using so many current generation phones, lets face it most years the hardware upgrades (specifically processors) match each other.
The HTC 10 runs the same hardware as the LG v20, so you've experienced it already. S7 has the same processor as well (assuming its the Qualcomm version) so it's not a big difference compared to someone coming from last generation phones.
Like for me I am coming from a v10 which had an outdated processor out the gate (others were using 810 while the v10 had the 808 due to overheating issues with the 810). The phone is literally over twice as fast as the v10 so I would certainly see a difference compared to you coming from the same generation of processors.
I don't own the phone yet but I will say it's a disappointment to see the camera being a letdown in reviews when you consider that the camera was the big feature of the v10.
Battery doesn't sound all that great either but it's got to be better than the v10. I am sure this will be remedied by 3rd party extended batteries that we will hopefully see. My v10 battery sucked until I upgraded to a 9000 mAh Zerolemon battery pack.
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Ali Mirza said:
Settings/Developer Options/ Tick on "Force GPU Rendering" should make your beast smoother/snappier. So any kind of lag should disappear!
If root available try L Speed/Entropy/fstrim apps found on Play Store!
LG V20 & LG G5 are snappy beasts and are well optimised with the Snapdragon 820 and is better than Samsung!
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Hello! What specifically does the "Force GPU Rendering" option?

I think you will settle with the Porsche Design Mate 9. Just a feeling lol

Why's there no option for ambivalence or just predictable? Just look at the stats and you pretty much know what you're getting. I'm happy with this phone after the $200 off and assuming I get the ~$150 headphone offer. I would be unhappy for full list price without those promos. For the price w/promos there just isn't anything comparable.
The display is the worst part of this phone for me. AMOLED just beats LCD anyway you slice it, this phone looks badly washed out and the auto brightness does weird things. Also the viewing angles are wonky, I was used to being able to use my phone at extreme angles but now I find myself lifting the phone up more. If this phone had AMOLED it would be a solid 9.9/10 for me, of course I knew I wouldn't like the screen when I bought it I just couldn't find a solid AMOLED phone. I don't particularly like the fingerprint reader position, have to pick it up off a table to use it and I've found my finger accidentally turns the screen on sometimes when I put it in my pocket. The second screen is nice for changing tracks or seeing what track is playing (or seeing the time at night without going blind), but it sucks for notifications. I miss my notification LED and my Qi charging.
Other than that this phone is pretty solid. I'm getting almost identical battery life that my Note 7 got, namely about 2 days. The standby battery life is phenomenal, I usually lose 1-2% overnight even with the second screen on. I love the removable battery so I don't have to worry about the battery dying before I'm ready to get rid of the phone. I'm no audiophile, so to me this phone is the best audio experience I've ever had with a phone hands down. Even streaming at just 192kbps this phone really makes my Shure SE215's sing. The camera is noticeably worse than the Note 7 at low light but it's still the 2nd best camera on a phone I've seen. Close up pictures have lots of nice detail and that's the kind of pictures I usually take. It focuses quickly and locks focus down better than the Note 7 did. For the kinds of the pictures I take in fact this camera is better, unlike my Samsungs this phone's auto white balance mode works correctly. The whole phone feels quick and snappy, comparable to the Note. I'm getting slightly better signal than I've ever gotten, in fact the wifi is much stronger than either of my Note 7's were.
I like the look of the phone and it feels great in my hands, which although not as great as the all glass Note 7, it feels like I could drop it and have nothing to worry about. I don't find the UI intrusive or laggy, eventually I'll swap over to nova prime once I'm tired of stock. For me it ticks all the right boxes of keeping old features rather than heading the apple direction and removing everything. Removable battery, SD card, IR Blaster, headphone jack, USB C, etc For that reason alone I think it's worth supporting LG

I agree
Main reasons I am keeping it are the $200 off, switched to T-mobile from VZW, and they are paying off the ETF so saving that money and the headphones makes the phone ideally almost free to me. For the full retail, I would return it in a heartbeat. People have hit it on the head that it really might be the fact the the Snapdragon 820 and the 4 GB ram is now getting long in the tooth. The camera can produce some nice pictures in manual mode, so I try to jump to that right away, but just a bit of a hassle to be on the ball to take a simple pic. With moderate light and close up, it does perform well. I can't really control lighting at all times and try and get my daughter up close and still when a picture moment comes though, the s7 handled it much better. I am going to try some different headphones to see if it is just the main pair I use that is letting me down. For the money / hardware, I think the Axon is the better bang for the buck with the AMOLED screen and the all carrier support. The speakers on that are ridiculous and the DAC was solid. This phone over all falls somewhere in the 7.5-8 /10 for me. Between the V20 and the HTC 10 I'll be good til the next wave of Flagships hit. I just have the feeling that LG pushed it out in a hurry to capitalize on the Note 7 flop and they could've polished it up a lot more. I can see them making the camera more responsive in low light and possibly addressing the battery life / hifi-dac customization / volume in the updates. It does a lot right but overall I was expecting and hoping for more from LG when they have had the perfect shot to grab the market. So far I am seeing the responses that seem line up with my expectation. Thanks everyone for taking the time to read and respond!
bishmaster5000 said:
Why's there no option for ambivalence or just predictable? Just look at the stats and you pretty much know what you're getting. I'm happy with this phone after the $200 off and assuming I get the ~$150 headphone offer. I would be unhappy for full list price without those promos. For the price w/promos there just isn't anything comparable.
The display is the worst part of this phone for me. AMOLED just beats LCD anyway you slice it, this phone looks badly washed out and the auto brightness does weird things. Also the viewing angles are wonky, I was used to being able to use my phone at extreme angles but now I find myself lifting the phone up more. If this phone had AMOLED it would be a solid 9.9/10 for me, of course I knew I wouldn't like the screen when I bought it I just couldn't find a solid AMOLED phone. I don't particularly like the fingerprint reader position, have to pick it up off a table to use it and I've found my finger accidentally turns the screen on sometimes when I put it in my pocket. The second screen is nice for changing tracks or seeing what track is playing (or seeing the time at night without going blind), but it sucks for notifications. I miss my notification LED and my Qi charging.
Other than that this phone is pretty solid. I'm getting almost identical battery life that my Note 7 got, namely about 2 days. The standby battery life is phenomenal, I usually lose 1-2% overnight even with the second screen on. I love the removable battery so I don't have to worry about the battery dying before I'm ready to get rid of the phone. I'm no audiophile, so to me this phone is the best audio experience I've ever had with a phone hands down. Even streaming at just 192kbps this phone really makes my Shure SE215's sing. The camera is noticeably worse than the Note 7 at low light but it's still the 2nd best camera on a phone I've seen. Close up pictures have lots of nice detail and that's the kind of pictures I usually take. It focuses quickly and locks focus down better than the Note 7 did. For the kinds of the pictures I take in fact this camera is better, unlike my Samsungs this phone's auto white balance mode works correctly. The whole phone feels quick and snappy, comparable to the Note. I'm getting slightly better signal than I've ever gotten, in fact the wifi is much stronger than either of my Note 7's were.
I like the look of the phone and it feels great in my hands, which although not as great as the all glass Note 7, it feels like I could drop it and have nothing to worry about. I don't find the UI intrusive or laggy, eventually I'll swap over to nova prime once I'm tired of stock. For me it ticks all the right boxes of keeping old features rather than heading the apple direction and removing everything. Removable battery, SD card, IR Blaster, headphone jack, USB C, etc For that reason alone I think it's worth supporting LG
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Ali Mirza said:
Settings/Developer Options/ Tick on "Force GPU Rendering" should make your beast smoother/snappier. So any kind of lag should disappear!
If root available try L Speed/Entropy/fstrim apps found on Play Store!
LG V20 & LG G5 are snappy beasts and are well optimised with the Snapdragon 820 and is better than Samsung!
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Please stop posting this everywhere
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You also forgot to mention the locked bootloader
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I came from the LG Nexus 5x and I loved that phone. While it's only been a few days, I am more than happy with the V20.
I get a phone through work, but upgraded on my own last year to the 5x. So when I cracked my screen a few weeks ago, I went through work this time. Options were limited on AT&T and since I'm gonna be stuck with a phone for 2 years I wanted the newest phone I could get without "compromising" what I'd wanted in a phone. I also didn't want to settle for a year old phone or switch to the iPhone (Android since 2010 and likely forever).
Anyway, I say all that to say that the V20 was never on my radar, mostly because of the size, even though I'd previously had the Note 2, 3 and briefly 4. I'd been very happy with the size and feel of the 5x, but the battery life was horrendous. Basically anything would have been an upgrade, and the V20 does more than I need in the battery department. If I can get to my bed before needing a charge, I'm a happy man, since I'd be charging around lunch on a daily basis before.
I was already used to the fingerprint sensor and love the fact it's on the back on the V20 as well. I can deal with the volume buttons swapped and the power button moving to the fingerprint sensor. It was a little odd at first but I'm used to it already.
Again, the camera and screen on the 5x was mediocre so anything would be better. And again the V20 checks both of those boxes; huge, vibrant screen, and pictures that look beautiful to my eye. If you're going from newest flagship to newest flagship an argument can be made on those points, but if you're upgrading after a year + the hardware is always going to be better, even if you find some flaws, and IMO the V20 does great in both categories.
The removable battery does have its pros. A few years ago it was a 'must-have' for me, but nowadays I'd taker water/dust proofing over it. Not a deal breaker though. The SD card slot IS however a wonderful thing. Despite the 64 GB internal, I love being able to add and not worry about space. I've had my local music library backed up to an SD card for quite a while and it's so convenient to have that at my disposal locally (no network connection needed).
The software. Not much better than PURE Android and rooting has always been a priority for me. BUT, stability ultimately is the most important thing on a phone to me now. Being able to lower DPI via adb shell is huge. Really not having TiBu or the ability to remove some carrier apps is about the worst left we can't do. And to be honest, it's easily overlooked. Is it annoying AF we can't remove everything we don't want? Absolutely. But said apps can be hidden with certain launchers, and I've come to just ignore them in the app drawer, forgetting they're even there.
Add in the FM radio (so novel yet so great), Second Screen (which I actually could use some tips on getting the most out of) and I'm digging this phone. Is LG's UI a little clunky? Yea, but I'll live. And using something new is refreshing, honestly.
It's only been a few days but I'm happy with this device and have no regrets. The V20 may also get me back on the Phablet train, being unable to use something smaller as they feel like toys. I've not gone a full 2 years without upgrading in quite some time. This phone is going to be the test.
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I agree with what you say. I think my let down is from moving from flagship to flagship all into the same time frame. The coming from any device before the snapdragon 820 and a quad HD screen, this thing is a major upgrade. I agree that the fingerprint scanner is best on back... Loved it on the nexus 6p and the axon 7. I just sold my htc 10 so I'm committed to the v20. Holding out til something amazing comes this way...

bishmaster5000 said:
Why's there no option for ambivalence or just predictable? Just look at the stats and you pretty much know what you're getting. I'm happy with this phone after the $200 off and assuming I get the ~$150 headphone offer. I would be unhappy for full list price without those promos. For the price w/promos there just isn't anything comparable.
The display is the worst part of this phone for me. AMOLED just beats LCD anyway you slice it, this phone looks badly washed out and the auto brightness does weird things. Also the viewing angles are wonky, I was used to being able to use my phone at extreme angles but now I find myself lifting the phone up more. If this phone had AMOLED it would be a solid 9.9/10 for me, of course I knew I wouldn't like the screen when I bought it I just couldn't find a solid AMOLED phone. I don't particularly like the fingerprint reader position, have to pick it up off a table to use it and I've found my finger accidentally turns the screen on sometimes when I put it in my pocket. The second screen is nice for changing tracks or seeing what track is playing (or seeing the time at night without going blind), but it sucks for notifications. I miss my notification LED and my Qi charging.
Other than that this phone is pretty solid. I'm getting almost identical battery life that my Note 7 got, namely about 2 days. The standby battery life is phenomenal, I usually lose 1-2% overnight even with the second screen on. I love the removable battery so I don't have to worry about the battery dying before I'm ready to get rid of the phone. I'm no audiophile, so to me this phone is the best audio experience I've ever had with a phone hands down. Even streaming at just 192kbps this phone really makes my Shure SE215's sing. The camera is noticeably worse than the Note 7 at low light but it's still the 2nd best camera on a phone I've seen. Close up pictures have lots of nice detail and that's the kind of pictures I usually take. It focuses quickly and locks focus down better than the Note 7 did. For the kinds of the pictures I take in fact this camera is better, unlike my Samsungs this phone's auto white balance mode works correctly. The whole phone feels quick and snappy, comparable to the Note. I'm getting slightly better signal than I've ever gotten, in fact the wifi is much stronger than either of my Note 7's were.
I like the look of the phone and it feels great in my hands, which although not as great as the all glass Note 7, it feels like I could drop it and have nothing to worry about. I don't find the UI intrusive or laggy, eventually I'll swap over to nova prime once I'm tired of stock. For me it ticks all the right boxes of keeping old features rather than heading the apple direction and removing everything. Removable battery, SD card, IR Blaster, headphone jack, USB C, etc For that reason alone I think it's worth supporting LG
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I agree. Top tier amoled should've been here. Probably would've improved the already great battery life another 20%ish. And notification LED would've been awesome. Yeah yeah. I know we have second screen, but I don't use it. Probably why I get 6h+SOT all the time. 8h 1m was my best and I had 3% left. I get 7h+ often. Standby time is incredible. Hasn't been consistent for me but probably lose 1% about every 5h average. Need to root and get adblocking. That will probably improve battery life even more. Hoping a custom kernel with only modification of voltage settings will help too. Tired of all these unstable kernels with features I don't use or care.about. haven't stuck with a custom kernel since...maybe note2. It has been awhile. Just roll with stock kernel since no dev wants to make a simple kernel with voltage adjustments. Not paying anymore devs on kernels until they deliver. I've paid upfront twice and font nothing in return. Scumbags.and I hope the fingerprint scanner has features. Features like being able to use as track pad or minimum that uses swipes for shortcuts like the pixel. That would be friggin' awesome. And aside from camera on auto not being consistent the phone otherwise is almost flawless. I've gotten accustomed to the camera on auto though. Multiple pictures and using focus at different spots has helped tremendously. I've been able to tweak my screen close to accurate by eyeballing it so pictures look like the scenery on screen now. Got to test video and bi def recording today at veterans day parade. Both exceeded my high expectations. Just need slmevody to find binning of chips which I made a dedicated thread for but nobody answered. I've looked everywhere. And one of first things I do when I root is customize the boot up screen. Boring. Very boring and.typical of T-Mobile. I've only had to reboot for sim or micro SD reasons though. Very very stable. Micro SD isn't up to par unless I have root. Nonetheless I've been able to work around it. Just had to take care out. And everybody keeps saying IR blaster. I think our IT is a transceiver. Supposedly it can learn but I haven't tried yet. R.I.P. remotes if it indeed can learn. LG did good. Seems rushed but this is truly a flagship phone in many ways. Swappable battery in 2016on a flagship. Say what? LG needs to step it up on the accessories. Ready to buy a 6 pack of batteries. I got in on the $51 deal for the BCK-5200 package on Amazon. Now just need a good sale on batteries.

Coming from a note 7 I have mixed feelings. It ticks a lot of the boxes but I miss waterproof, the great samsung screens and I knew about those when I bought. The camera really disappointed me though. I was expecting it to take way better pics than it does. Spoiled from the note 7 I suppose. I didn't realize before buying it that it had the IR blaster and I had really been missing that from my s5. Nice to not have to hunt for remotes anymore. Its not ideal, but for someone like me that over 5.7" screen is a requirement it really is the best second choice to my old note 7. The bootloader sucks too. I had gotten out of the habit of reroming phones since samsung pay and now that I am off samsung I thought it would be fun to start that again. But nope. I have a sprint one and it seems to be non rootable at the moment.
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I do think a little bit of my dissapointment in the camera is not genuine. I am mainly comparing shots taken with this phones camera viewed on this phones screen to shots taken by the note 7 on the note 7's screen. The same photo would of course pop more on the amoled screen even if it was the same camera so thats part of the disappointment. But even still I think the note 7 took way better pics.

I love the phone other than no root, the camera I'm not really disappointed because I'm no photographer, the IR blaster is a must thank you LG, Samsung what are you thinking. The removable battery isn't a big deal since the battery does pretty good. If it was water proof that would top it off.
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