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I've read a few threads here lately where someone asks as question and thereafter gets berated by the members who consider themselves developers for posting a question here. I can totally see their side of the argument since this is a development forum and it makes sense to keep the threads like "Help with my app code" separate from "OMGWFTBBQ!! How do I unbrick my XOOM???". Those people often refer to THE RULES saying it's against them to post questions here and to post in the General section.
I actually don't see that in the rules.
But maybe it should be. I am 'guilty' of posting a question or two here, and I even read the rules first to make sure it was the right place to post. I didn't see anything telling me not to, so I posted here, simply because I feel that the General forum section is for basic questions. In that context, I can see why people do post questions here.
So, I'd like to propose a solution that I think would make everyone happy, and would help clean up this section.
A "XOOM Hacking Help and Advanced XOOM Topics" subforum.
This would be a forum where people could ask all the questions and topics that aren't directly related to the actual development and coding process, but are more advance than most of the topics in the General XOOM subforum.
Would anyone else find this useful?
Also, devs, if there was a forum like this, would you be willing to drop in to answer questions? I know everyone here who is not a developer values your knowledge and helpful insight, which is why people ask questions here in the first place.
Thoughts?
Ive felt a bit of negativity too here. One issue is we don't have a q and a section yet. We are so early in the development cycle for the Xoom. We are building kernels and we don't even have SD slot drivers yet! This is the time for folks to kick back, relax, and enjoy their new toy. I freaking love my xoom! I am so excited for the future of this device. All the fun will come in due time. Relax guys!
I agree. I'm enjoying my XOOM a ton, and I actually visit this section more than any other because I love to see what the great minds here are cooking up for the community. But, I can understand their frustration. They're trying to get their bearings on a new device, but are also getting bombarded with questions that bury topics that are actually related to development. I also agree that some of them go overboard and should take a chill pill. It's not good to have someone get turned off from this forum and its benefits because a dev snapped at them for invading their domain and asking for help.
I voted NO. When there are enough Devs to populate this section, then it will be useful, until then you are only fragmenting the people that make up the community. Until then I would think it best that questions To the devs as well as by devs would be at home here. Many devices never even make it past this point.
I wonder how many people that have developed or are actually developing someting for the Xoom right now, have been the ones to try to enforce said non existent rules.
Yes if your willing to manage moving threads around, because for sure thats whats gonna happen
Generally NO though, In other XDA Development sub forums there are plenty of "OMG I bricked my ..." and plenty of useful developer help... since said bricking, etc usually comes along with installing someone bleeding edge hack.
I understand the want for purity but it will take strict enforcement!
No.
Having a Q&A forum would be nice though to separate all the little questions, especially those that get asked over and over and over..
Wow. Split poll data. lol.
So, I guess the 'devs' should just be nice. Fair enough. Maybe the rules should be updated to reflect what exactly is allowed and/or welcome in this forum.
"Doesn't sound like development to me."
Hello everyone,
I just wanted to make a note of how this category thread compares to the rest. I have had plenty of android phones in the past, all being HTC. This is my first Motorola handset, and it is by far my favorite. The developers for this phone are gods among men! And yet I see more disrespect day-to-day in these threads than I do helpful comments regarding the development projects! XDA has long been my number one site for all development collaboration and needed help for the android platform, and never have I encountered so much flaming as in the Motorola ATRIX forums. I do not know if this is turning to be the century of the trolls, but I feel bad for the developers and programmers that have to deal with these put downs, even though they are putting out so much VOLUNTARY work for the community.
So, if you are reading this, let's try and think twice before posting on development threads. It is not the place for harassment, flaming, disrespect, or any hurtful suggestion, as is any other place.
Thanks.
Yes! So much flaming on xda, no wonder devs put their work on other sites
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I don't mean to complain, but rather voice my opinion on the fact that these forums for the gs3 are just too messy. I don't think it's efficient to have one forum for gs3 themes when they're not compatible across different carriers.
I'm just saying that we're all modding our phones here, which we all know can end disastrously if something is flashed that shouldn't be. And it seems like every other post in the T-mobile development forums are people with Sprint variants asking questions about compatibility etc etc. I'm here to read about my phone, and mods that are applicable to my device, not people having problems or questions about a phone variant I don't even own. Not to mention it's annoying to see a theme I like, only to find out there's no version for my T-mobile variant.
I can understand the General/Q&A/Accessories forums being unified, but themes? It's already been clearly stated that they don't work across each carrier so why are they all mushed together in one forum? I liked the layout before; 5 subsections for each carriers device, and I don't think this new breakdown is as efficient as it could be.
Well there's different forums for each carriers Android development at least. But I agree I don't like combining all carriers into one general forum
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Agreed, this place is a mess. I can understand having all the US variants under one "main" section of the forums, but I would then have 4 subforums: AT&T, T-Mo, Sprint, & Verizon, and then each of those subforums have a General, Q&A, Development, & theme section. Leave the accessories subsection under the "main" US GS3 section.
Thank you for using this thread as a solution instead of adding much more "mess" to our section. Please take the time to enjoy our many other "mess" threads regarding your "opinion"
Here is an ideal one. :good:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1734159
Mods should delete crap threads immediately
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1SiK1500 said:
Thank you for using this thread as a solution instead of adding much more "mess" to our section. Please take the time to enjoy our many other "mess" threads regarding your "opinion"
Here is an ideal one. :good:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1734159
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I think that's kind of what OP is talking about. I saw that thread a while ago but haven't been able to find anything without spending 20 minutes scrolling. Or subscribing to every thread I read and wanted to get back to. Search has proven useless from the phone.
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Now we have multiple development forums for each carrier but for some reason we cannot manage to have discussion forums based on the carrier? Why not? This does not make any sense at all.
Trying to sort through all the info is a real pain in the neck. I am the type that tries to read everything I can to avoid stupid questions that can be easily researched, but the current format seems dysfunctional to me.
Most posters do not tell us what carrier they are on when asking questions or providing information, so much of the info is a waste.
No offense intended toward the mods, but I believe there is a better way to handle this phone.
I have had multiple phones and have never seen so many issues on an XDA forum before.
PS. can we unsticky the pre-order discussions yet? I find it annoying when viewing the forums on my phone to have to scroll past useless threads.
Sorry for the mini rant...
Hope everyone has a great day!
What's your suggestion?
Agree, there needs to be an entire section for each carrier. General, development , QnA, and themes.
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I agree that things could be cleaned up a bit. I think it would be better if the "Original Development" forums were subforums of each of the Development forums. I like that the development forums are separated by carrier and that all the other forums are not, but there's no reason to have two completely separate development boards for each carrier. I also think some of the stickies in general discussion could be taken down.
jcbofkc said:
Now we have multiple development forums for each carrier but for some reason we cannot manage to have discussion forums based on the carrier? Why not? This does not make any sense at all.
Trying to sort through all the info is a real pain in the neck. I am the type that tries to read everything I can to avoid stupid questions that can be easily researched, but the current format seems dysfunctional to me.
Most posters do not tell us what carrier they are on when asking questions or providing information, so much of the info is a waste.
No offense intended toward the mods, but I believe there is a better way to handle this phone.
I have had multiple phones and have never seen so many issues on an XDA forum before.
PS. can we unsticky the pre-order discussions yet? I find it annoying when viewing the forums on my phone to have to scroll past useless threads.
Sorry for the mini rant...
Hope everyone has a great day!
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I agree that it is a mess. The new "Original" development section does not make sense. We do not need it and we did fine without having it in the Nexus One forums.
Can we make a development forum that pertains to all devices and then have a separate one that only works for the individual devices. E.g.: Kernels would go in device specific development, and then ROMs/scripts that work for all devices would go in the general development forum.
The last thing I need to do is scour the ATT, Verizon, and Sprint development + their Original Development Forums to see if I can use any of their ROMs/Scripts, etc... 9 different development forums are too many!!
Why does each carrier have two separate development forums anyway? The ones on the bottom don't even have anything in them really? I thought this was some type of error.
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Sorry. I should have provided the solution.
Go back to the original format when the forums were based by carrier. I know it would help new folks. As the popularity of this phone increases the problems will also multiply. I would hate for someone to mess up their phone by taking advice from a person on a different system.
Anyway that is my 2cents on the topic.
Markdental said:
I agree that it is a mess. The new "Original" development section does not make sense. We do not need it and we did fine without having it in the Nexus One forums.
Can we make a development forum that pertains to all devices and then have a separate one that only works for the individual devices. E.g.: Kernels would go in device specific development, and then ROMs/scripts that work for all devices would go in the general development forum.
The last thing I need to do is scour the ATT, Verizon, and Sprint development + their Original Development Forums to see if I can use any of their ROMs/Scripts, etc... 9 different development forums are too many!!
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Agree, I have no f-ing idea what the "Original Development" forums are even supposed to be... the description confused the hell out of me. As far as I'm concerned. A ROM is a ROM. Why do we need 2 threads for vaguely different types of ROM. Who the F cares? This is the first forum I've seen that makes this stupid distinction.
I agree with the other guy that this unnecessary forum should at least be made a subforum of the development forum... or at best deleted entirely.
I don't mind the combined discussion threads, though.
I agree with separating the carriers, but the two separate development sections for each carrier has been around for months. It was that way with the SGS2 and works fine. So, yeah, the only change i would like to see is to separate carriers.
i agree, we need a cleanup on aisle S3
If enough people post in this thread, maybe the mods will reconsider the overall setup of the forums for the GS3.
x_SCOS_x_ELITE said:
i agree, we need a cleanup on aisle S3
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Dude, that signature is bananas... it's taking up half the screen (which looks even crazier compared to your 1-line comment). Just sayin' :silly:
My suggestion that I brought up before to a mod.
"I have an idea that would help both mods and us xda user when it come to SGs3 forum. General and accesories can be left without carrier specific names. Then sprint, verizon, att&t, and t-mobile can have their own sub-forums with development, Q&A, and themes & apps.
Ex.
[Sprint]Gs3
- Dev
-Q&A
-Themes & Apps
And last the title of the Gs3 forum title should be changed to
"U.S Samsung Galaxy S3 variants ( Sprint, T-mobile, Verizon, & ATT&T)
With this two sub forums can be deleted that are present now since they'll be apart of the carrier variant sub forum."
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masaidjet said:
My suggestion that I brought up before to a mod.
"I have an idea that would help both mods and us xda user when it come to SGs3 forum. General and accesories can be left without carrier specific names. Then sprint, verizon, att&t, and t-mobile can have their own sub-forums with development, Q&A, and themes & apps.
Ex.
[Sprint]Gs3
- Dev
-Q&A
-Themes & Apps
And last the title of the Gs3 forum title should be changed to
"U.S Samsung Galaxy S3 variants ( Sprint, T-mobile, Verizon, & ATT&T)
With this two sub forums can be deleted that are present now since they'll be apart of the carrier variant sub forum."
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Seems like a reasonable plan. I hope the mods consider it.
Sooo...
General Discussion
General Q&A
AT&T
Q&A
Development
Themes
Sprint
Q&A
Development
Themes
T-Mobile
Q&A
Development
Themes
Verizon
Q&A
Development
Themes
deserted1 said:
Sooo...
General Discussion
General Q&A
AT&T
Q&A
Development
Themes
Sprint
Q&A
Development
Themes
T-Mobile
Q&A
Development
Themes
Verizon
Q&A
Development
Themes
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Might as well just make entire different sections like they used to. Including their respective general sections.
I agree with the idea what the original dev forums should be subforums on the dev forums, but I totally understand what the mod's were going for in regards to having a general section for all carriers. I'm assuming the idea was that it would create more of a community if we were lumped into one general forum, versus all being isolated by carrier. I wonder, if it was split up by carrier, if we would have gotten as much help from non VZW dev's who have come over to show us support. There might be a better way to organize things, but I also like the idea of a more connected community of SGS3 users across carriers
The other solution is to keep the QA, Dev, etc forums, but instead have subforums for each carrier. This way solutions that worked for all carriers could be posted in the main forum for each section, with carrier specific solutions in the subforums.
Galaxy S III Development
T-Mobile Development
AT&T Development
Sprint Development
Verizon Development
[Below all these would be a forum for development that crossed over between carriers, not necessarily for ALL carriers, but if there's any crossover]
deserted1 said:
Sooo...
General Discussion
General Q&A
AT&T
Q&A
Development
Themes
Sprint
Q&A
Development
Themes
T-Mobile
Q&A
Development
Themes
Verizon
Q&A
Development
Themes
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Yea basically that's what I meant
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Really didn't want to do this but EVERYBODY that posted here, post in the Official *** New Device Forum Requests *** thread.
This may be the only way we are going to make this happen.
Would like to publicly request a dedicated section for the Umeox x201. This covers such devices like the the AW-414, AW-420, Vapirius AX-3, Omate TrueSmart ans at least three other devices based on the x201 platform.
Current issues with not having a dedicated forum are;
Informational master thread keeps getting buried
Cannot add development releases to the Dev DB
Development projects are not being posted due to lack of a development section
The current Omate TrueSmart main thread is now over 100 pages long and includes development, Q&A, general discussions and is near unmanageable
There is a lot of cross posting of the same information on the AW414 and TrueSmart threads because, except for case and name, they are the same device.
wondermike8 said:
A section for this class of smartwatch would greatly help things. It would make it easier to find information because we could have single-topic threads. It would be easier to contribute because catching up with a thread would be quicker. It would allow the community to grow and operate.
But of course it would be useful to US. Every obscure device community could ask for a section and argue that it would help them. We need to argue that our device is so popular that a section is required. Here are some points to consider:
* Within the "Other Smartwatches" section, the "Omate Truesmart" thread has about 40% of the posts of the "MotoActv" thread. However, the MotoActiv has been around since 2011 and the Truesmart has been around since - well, for all intents and purposes, it isn't even out yet and there's still a thriving community
* There are more posts in the "Omate Truesmart" thread than in the entire "Pebble Smartwatch" section. Don't get me wrong, there's a huge and dedicated Pebble community out there. Here on the XDA forums, however, the Umeox x201 community is larger, more active, and in need of a good home
* A dedicated section will improve the quality of the site. Having monster threads like the "Omate Truesmart" thread make the site disorganized and difficult to use. If the information is easy to find, the users are better informed. Well-informed users make a better community. Better communities bring in more advertisment dollars.
* The time to act is NOW. The early devices are beginning to ship, and the there are only a few developers churning away. Over the next month or two, the number of devlopers will explode. Implementing a new section now will allow time for proper organization. Allowing a thread to balloon to 10,000 posts and we'll need to hire more mods to help sort the information into proper threads.
Does it make sense? Is it worth it? My professional experience in forum management (of which I have none) says yes!
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Note to Admins:
We currently have info, fixes, development environment guides and so on spread out across multiple G+ communities and posts, two forums and personal pages and are already running into issues where even searching doesn't even find some it. If you decide to not create a section for the x201 please let us know as we will need to find some sort of solution.
agreed
You have my support. Now let's flood the official request thread
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Lokifish Marz said:
Would like to publicly request a dedicated section for the Umeox x201. This covers such devices like the the AW-414, AW-420, Vapirius AX-3, Omate TrueSmart ans at least three other devices based on the x201 platform.
Current issues with not having a dedicated forum are;
Informational master thread keeps getting buried
Cannot add development releases to the Dev DB
Development projects are not being posted due to lack of a development section
The current Omate TrueSmart main thread is now over 100 pages long and includes development, Q&A, general discussions and is near unmanageable
There is a lot of cross posting of the same information on the AW414 and TrueSmart threads because, except for case and name, they are the same device.
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Agreed.
i support this too.
attapKia said:
i support this too.
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Couldn't agree more.
Would be grateful for a dedicated section as well.
I agree. We need a section for the best SmartWatches so far.
Aye, Loki, you have my axe!
(in other words, I support a dedicated forum)
Support!
One more here to agree !!
Omate might kill me for this since I'm one of their forum moderators and an admin, but I think a development forum on XDA is a much better thing then a "special development forum"...
Reason 1:
There are too much wise noses on the TS forums who think they know it all, but over here at XDA I mostly see professionals or at least people working together more professionally...
Reason 2:
There has never been an Asus Padfone series forum over here at XDA (even though a lot of people requested it), and there has been a lot of development for this device over at my Padfone community, but I know there would be a lot more development if the Padfone would've gotten it's own forum over here a XDA... So to make the TS (or any other Umeox watch since they're pretty much all the same, except for the exterior) a great success, proper development is required!
So +1
Agree
And as an avid reader of this forum and member since 2007 (when xda-dev was for xda's only), I support this request.
support this.....
I support this.
Agree.
+1
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Yes, please. :good:
+1