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I Want Permroot, but no go?

Nothing happens when I click "attempt perm root"...absolutely nothing. What the F is going on?

bballcat03 said:
Nothing happens when I click "attempt perm root"...absolutely nothing. What the F is going on?
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You have to follow steps to unlock the bootloader (achieving S-off) before perm root will stick. Read the thread on achieving S-off. Don't do anything you don't fully understand, so read a lot. Afaik visionary does not perm root with one click without first having an unlocked bootloader.
EDIT: Read the resource bible. It's a sticky in the dev forum.
Swyped on my rooted MyTouch4G

I have s-off with 0.85.2007...everything works like a charm until I get to the permroot part...nothing happens when I hit it.

bballcat03 said:
I have s-off with 0.85.2007...everything works like a charm until I get to the permroot part...nothing happens when I hit it.
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If you have s-off and you have the eng 2007 bootloader, you're rooted. Make sure you have the superuser app installed to your phone. If not, you can get it from the market. You need it to gain root privileges in apps. If you have superuser you can test root by opening terminal emulator. Type su and hit enter. If you get a root request confirm it. The $ symbol should change to #.
You shouldn't need visionary anymore. Once you confirm root, uninstall it.
Swyped on my rooted MyTouch4G

But without doing "permroot" in visionary, it's not permanent, correct? Cause I want it permanent, not temp.
Yes I have superuser installed.

bballcat03 said:
But without doing "permroot" in visionary, it's not permanent, correct? Cause I want it permanent, not temp.
Yes I have superuser installed.
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Try what I said with terminal. If you type su and hit enter, you should see a #. If you do, congrats. Reboot and test terminal su command to see if your root sticks. Visionary won't tell you if you're rooted.
Swyped on my rooted MyTouch4G

Ok I redid everything again (without doing "attempt permroot") and did what you said and the $ changed to #...however, when I first did the temp root, and then went into terminal to do the:
- su
- "cd /data/local" etc....it changed from a $ to a # as well then...before I got to the end and rebooted.
So I am permrooted then and can change roms? Why didn't I have to do "attempt permroot" in visionary?

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Hope it helps!
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h0wlings0nnets said:
The unlocked.com
Precise...simple..quick...easy...works...
Hope it helps!
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App
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Uh, that's not a website!

Like I said, you were already rooted. When you attempt perm root with Visionary, I don't think it tells you anything. Just make sure your root sticks by rebooting and then typing su in terminal. If you get the #, you can uninstall Visionary.
As for flashing ROMs: You need to flash a new recovery in order to make Nandroid backups and flash ROMs. Clockwork ROM Manager from the market will allow you to flash Clockwork Recovery on your phone. I don't know how much experience you have with flashing ROMs in general, but if you're a novice in any way I wouldn't start changing your system just yet. Read the resource bible, lurk the developer threads, and get a firm grasp on what you are doing. Get familiar with ADB and Fastboot. Be totally confident in your knowledge. You can still brick your phone or at the very least give yourself an unneeded heart attack and hours of troubleshooting sh!t.
Resource Bible
Good luck and congrats on root!

Yeah I am looking at the "how to flash a rom for noobs" thread out of the resource bible...it says "In the hboot menu select recovery and then the phone will restart. You will get a phone with yellow triangle error."
I select recovery and another screen came up regarding the clockwork with a bunch of options, it didn't restart. And when I selected the option that said "reboot" it did, but I didn't get a yellow triangle error
Any ideas there?

Sounds to me you already have Clockwork Recovery installed. You must have done that without knowing it. Beats me. I you go into HBOOT and select Recovery the phone will shut off and boot into recovery mode. If you got Clockwork Recovery version 2.x.x.x (with green typeface), that just means you have Clockwork recovery installed and can flash Froyo based ROMs (like Iced Glacier), make Nandroid backups, and a bunch of other stuff you probably shouldn't mess with.
Just know that you CANNOT flash Gingerbread based ROMs (like CyanogenMod 7) with CW v. 2.x.x.x
You need CW v. 3.x.x.x to use gingy ROMs.
Keep reading.

I PM'd ya, but no when I hboot and hit recovery, it doesn't reboot, it goes to "clockwork mod recovery v2.5.1.2

XfooYen said:
You have to follow steps to unlock the bootloader (achieving S-off) before perm root will stick. Read the thread on achieving S-off. Don't do anything you don't fully understand, so read a lot. Afaik visionary does not perm root with one click without first having an unlocked bootloader.
EDIT: Read the resource bible. It's a sticky in the dev forum.
Swyped on my rooted MyTouch4G
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I'm having the same issue as the OP. I'm quoting because I had a permroot stick with s-on on my previous MT4G. (I just had it replaced, damn power button)
Explain please? Why would it work on one but not the other?

I would have posted this in the development forum in the thread that had this technique, but I don't have enough posts yet or something?
Anyway, I have S=off, and visionary temp root works fine. But permroot in visionary r14 doesn't work, it just flashes like the button is pushed then does nothing, like I didn't even hit it. So I need to run the temp root everytime my phone starts up.
I didn't setup the engineer bootloader yet, should I do that?
Does r11 work better?
What is the next step to get permroot to work?

do I need s=off for cyanogenmod 7?

I have ROM manager premium, and I just downloaded CM7 through it, and was about to flash it, but remembered I dont have s=off.
Also, I cannot get past this screen no matter what. htt p://img145.imageshack.us/i/20110222142411.jpg/
Any help will be appreaciated I really want to be able to run CM7

You need to be rooted, use the ultimate gfree method that's stickie in the development section after you root make sure to back up your stock OS.
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epsix said:
You need to be rooted, use the ultimate gfree method that's stickie in the development section after you root make sure to back up your stock OS.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App
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Thanks for answering, but I am rooted, I used the visionary perm-root method. I have terminal emulator and typed "su" and it prompted for super user access. I also have a few apps that use root, which work.

Root access alone is not enough. You need S-Off as well.

jggimi said:
Root access alone is not enough. You need S-Off as well.
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Is that why I always get this screen when I try to make a back up or boot into recovery.

jggimi said:
Root access alone is not enough. You need S-Off as well.
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This Statement is correct.
jessek17 said:
Thanks for answering, but I am rooted, I used the visionary perm-root method. I have terminal emulator and typed "su" and it prompted for super user access. I also have a few apps that use root, which work.
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for short terms "s" Means security protocol. If your S=ON that means the phone will do a search each time you boot the phone on to see if anything as been tampered with. and if it has it will revert back to a factory status. Just like you first bought the phone. Which includes rooting, recovery images, boot images, engineering screens. What ever you do to your phone that isn't factory will be undone.
It is impossible to do. Because you need to flash the ROM from the recovery image. And since one you boot your phone it will replace Clockwork ROM manager with the factory style recovery image, you cannot not even get to the place you need to flash it from.

jessek17 said:
Is that why I always get this screen when I try to make a back up or boot into recovery.
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Correct because you flashing the Clockwork Recovery image will not STICK unless you have s=off.
They system will replace the aftermarket image with the original EVERYTIME you turn off the phone.

That is the Stock Recovery. You need S-Off and ClockworkMod Recovery. And the right release of CWM Recovery, also. Use CWM Recovery 2.x to back up, restore, and install Android 2.2 (Froyo) based ROMs, including stock, and CWM Recovery 3.x to back up, restore, and install Android 2.3 (Gingerbread) based ROMs, such as CM7.
There is a special version of CWM Recovery that can manage both Froyo and Gingerbread ROMs: 3.0.0.6. Search for it in the Development subforum.

Thanks for all the information, I am slowly learning, and trying to understand all of this.
I am currently trying to get s=off. I found this link via google : ht tp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996
I am already "rooted" I believe, because I have superuser access. Should I unroot first?
Also, in order to back up my current(stock) rom, do I need to use clockwork recovery 2.x?

jessek17 said:
Thanks for all the information, I am slowly learning, and trying to understand all of this.
I am currently trying to get s=off. I found this link via google : ht tp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996
I am already "rooted" I believe, because I have superuser access. Should I unroot first?
Also, in order to back up my current(stock) rom, do I need to use clockwork recovery 2.x?
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Yes that method will work.
no do not unroot prior to starting that method
yes you need to use 2.x to back up froyo (2.2) ROMs.

neidlinger said:
Yes that method will work.
no do not unroot prior to starting that method
yes you need to use 2.x to back up froyo (2.2) ROMs.
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Okay, is there a simpler way to get s=off? That looks a little complex for my first time doing this, and it seems as if one typo will brick my phone.

jessek17 said:
Okay, is there a simpler way to get s=off? That looks a little complex for my first time doing this, and it seems as if one typo will brick my phone.
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http://theunlockr.com/2010/12/10/how-to-temporarily-root-the-t-mobile-mytouch-4g-htc-glacier/
you can use the link i posted ^^^ there.
I will state this though. That link that you posted is the simplest way of truly rooting your phone. If that seem complex i would advice against you doing it at this point in time.
Rooting your phone basically turns your phone into a computer that can make and receive phone calls. And doing the wrong thing at the wrong time will seriously FUBAR your phone.
If you take a look in the Q&A section and the General Section you will see TONS of post with people in your shoes that didn't know what they were getting into and didn't take the warning laid out there.
READ READ READ about the android ADB before you decide to root your phone. And learn what everything is and what it does.
not trying to sound like a "Richard" but i don't want to see you mess up your phone either.

neidlinger said:
http://theunlockr.com/2010/12/10/how-to-temporarily-root-the-t-mobile-mytouch-4g-htc-glacier/
you can use the link i posted ^^^ there.
I will state this though. That link that you posted is the simplest way of truly rooting your phone. If that seem complex i would advice against you doing it at this point in time.
Rooting your phone basically turns your phone into a computer that can make and receive phone calls. And doing the wrong thing at the wrong time will seriously FUBAR your phone.
If you take a look in the Q&A section and the General Section you will see TONS of post with people in your shoes that didn't know what they were getting into and didn't take the warning laid out there.
READ READ READ about the android ADB before you decide to root your phone. And learn what everything is and what it does.
not trying to sound like a "Richard" but i don't want to see you mess up your phone either.
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Isnt that just a video of temprooting and then confirming the root with terminal emulator?
I have seen many people with problems and they think they bricked their phone. I dont want to be one of them, and I've had a few close calls, and I'll tell you it wasnt fun.
From what I see ADB is just a remote terminal?
I appreciate that, and have taken the warnings very seriously.

jessek17 said:
Isnt that just a video of temprooting and then confirming the root with terminal emulator?
I have seen many people with problems and they think they bricked their phone. I dont want to be one of them, and I've had a few close calls, and I'll tell you it wasnt fun.
From what I see ADB is just a remote terminal?
I appreciate that, and have taken the warnings very seriously.
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That's kind of my point. People don't read.
If you take your time and read and do the entire process you won't have a problem. but you need to read all the way through something prior to jumping in the ring. There is a very strict set a rules that need to be followed.

[Q] cant install cwrm on the mt4g

hi guys i need a little help i cant flash or install the cwrm on the my touch 4g the phone is alrady rooted i temp rooted then perm rooted and now im rooted after the boot so i guess that means im rooted but when i flash the cwrm apparently everything goes smooth then i click on boot into recovery mode and it just never happens, instead i get the phone with the red triangle, and then i tried to do it manually (vol down power button) and insted of s=off i get s=on so i dont know what to think am i rooted or not? i have the superuser app and it asks me to allow things sometimes plus the root checker tells me im rooted....so please help me

If your bootloader still shows S-ON, you're definitely not rooted. Here are two root methods to try:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858021
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996
Personally, I recommend the first one that uses Visionary and the root.sh script.

TeeJay3800 said:
If your bootloader still shows S-ON, you're definitely not rooted. Here are two root methods to try:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858021
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996
Personally, I recommend the first one that uses Visionary and the root.sh script.
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TJ is pretty much hit the nail on head.
The "s-on / s-off" is a security check. If your "s-on" the phone will restore it self to a 100% new status, any recovery images, fonts, rooted apps, have been replaced back to a like new status. You need to manually turn the security check off. Which one of the two links TJ will do for you.

Then just download rom manager from market. Open it and flash cwm through it. That simple.

dubie76 said:
Then just download rom manager from market. Open it and flash cwm through it. That simple.
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IF their "s" is sill "on" it will not flash and overwrite the stock recovery image. They'll flash it and it'll go right back to stock once they turn off the phone.

neidlinger said:
IF their "s" is sill "on" it will not flash and overwrite the stock recovery image. They'll flash it and it'll go right back to stock once they turn off the phone.
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Correct. I was adding to your post. That's why I said, "then"...

dubie76 said:
Correct. I was adding to your post. That's why I said, "then"...
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*face palm*
i thought it was a sarcastic post

TeeJay3800 said:
If your bootloader still shows S-ON, you're definitely not rooted. Here are two root methods to try:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858021
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996
Personally, I recommend the first one that uses Visionary and the root.sh script.
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+1 wow, I've learned so much just from reading some of your posts.

neidlinger said:
*face palm*
i thought it was a sarcastic post
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Lol. no, sorry I wasnt as clear as I thought I was.

[Q] rom manager doesnt backup or flashes...?

i have a mytouch 4g and im new to the forums and roms but i followed every instruction down to the letter but when i go to backup rom on the rom manager the phone just reboot and i see a phone with a exclamation mark....? help please and thank you

Flash clockwork first. You can do that in Rom manager - first option
Via my HTC Thunderbolt

rawdawgroy said:
i have a mytouch 4g and im new to the forums and roms but i followed every instruction down to the letter but when i go to backup rom on the rom manager the phone just reboot and i see a phone with a exclamation mark....? help please and thank you
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That means you haven't installed ClockworkMod recovery yet. First flash that via ROM Manager, and then attempt to make a backup again. I recommend doing it the manual way by booting into recovery mode, rather than by doing it through the ROM Manager app.

TeeJay3800 said:
That means you haven't installed ClockworkMod recovery yet. First flash that via ROM Manager, and then attempt to make a backup again. I recommend doing it the manual way by booting into recovery mode, rather than by doing it through the ROM Manager app.
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I was getting ready to say the same thing.

I got the clockworkmod recovery the phone doesnt let me do anything with out it and it shows up on my memory card when I try to back up it just goes to the screen with the big red exclamation point and when I try manually only the phone stock recovery comes up not clockworkmod....?

rawdawgroy said:
I got the clockworkmod recovery the phone doesnt let me do anything with out it and it shows up on my memory card when I try to back up it just goes to the screen with the big red exclamation point and when I try manually only the phone stock recovery comes up not clockworkmod....?
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are you rooted,if not you need to root it first

yea temp root and ive rooted everytime the phone reboots it wont let me use the app unless ive rooted the device

rawdawgroy said:
yea temp root and ive rooted everytime the phone reboots it wont let me use the app unless ive rooted the device
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Receptionist : the doctor will see you now mr rawdagroy
doctor:
Well Mr RawDog it Sounds like a good case of the "didntreadeverything".
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While you did root your phone you must turn off the security protocol. That is why we are mentioning s-off/s-on. IF you look in the development section you will see thread after thread after thread on how to do just that. Simply running VISIONary will not root your phone to the degree that you need. You must turn off that security protocol. If you don't everytime you reboot your phone it's going back to a OE fashion and losing Root Access, and losing the recovery image since the phone is flashing the stock recovery image again.

but thats what im sayin ive even had z4root and visionary but i only temp root not perm do i have to perm root to get this to work...? also ive re-rooted my phone everytime i rebooted cause i know that temp goes away after.... HELP PLEASE

rawdawgroy said:
but thats what im sayin ive even had z4root and visionary but i only temp root not perm do i have to perm root to get this to work...? also ive re-rooted my phone everytime i rebooted cause i know that temp goes away after.... HELP PLEASE
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read my signature in this post. Or in my post above. I have two links on how to turn s-off. VISIONary.apk and Z4 will not turn off your security protocol.

also do i need sdk or adb to flash a rom on my phone....????

rawdawgroy said:
also do i need sdk or adb to flash a rom on my phone....????
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NEED ? No.
HIGHLY ENCOURAGE Yes.

ok i followed your instructions down to the letter and when i put # cd/sdcard/root it say not found on card .....???

rawdawgroy said:
ok i followed your instructions down to the letter and when i put # cd/sdcard/root is say sd card not found .....???
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its cd /sdcard/root not cd/sdcard/root make sure you hit the space bar between cd and /

Here is a good how to on you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4B4y0CQUDo

and after it does it thing just turn the phone off or....? and how do i know if its done...???

rawdawgroy said:
and after it does it thing just turn the phone off or....? and how do i know if its done...???
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when i rooted i didn't use that method i used this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996 also watched this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4B4y0CQUDo and had no issues. Sorry i can't help with that method

rawdawgroy said:
and after it does it thing just turn the phone off or....? and how do i know if its done...???
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you need to boot into hBoot and look at the top line for s-on or s-off. If s-off just boot the phone normally and click on Temp root, then perma root and your done.

WOLF26915 said:
when i rooted i didn't use that method i used this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996 also watched this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4B4y0CQUDo and had no issues. Sorry i can't help with that method
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is this a perm root or temp i ask cause i am really tired of rooting after every boot...

rawdawgroy said:
is this a perm root or temp i ask cause i am really tired of rooting after every boot...
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yes this is perm root

[Q] is this root real?

so...i finally got my phone rooted, i think. i used visionary after downgrading to 2.2.1, and i went into terminal, typed in su, and it gave me #. Just wondering, does this root stick? ie. if i start flashing, I'm not suddenly going to "lose root"...like is this as valid a root as using gfree?
regards
trev

rockr4Christ said:
so...i finally got my phone rooted, i think. i used visionary after downgrading to 2.2.1, and i went into terminal, typed in su, and it gave me #. Just wondering, does this root stick? ie. if i start flashing, I'm not suddenly going to "lose root"...like is this as valid a root as using gfree?
regards
trev
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if you only used the visionary app to root and not root.sh or gfree, then yes, you will lose root after a reboot. this kind of root is called a TEMP ROOT and that is all visionary.apk can give you if you haven't acquire S-Off with either the root.sh or gfree method.

I used the perm root, and i have rebooted it twice, and still have root... thats why I'm asking .
I would check s-on, or s-off, but I can't get into recovery (shows little red triangle). Should i flash an engineering boot loader if Im just going to flash CWM anyways?
Regards
Trevor
Ps, thank you for patience and helping a self admitted n00b out

rockr4Christ said:
I used the perm root, and i have rebooted it twice, and still have root... thats why I'm asking .
I would check s-on, or s-off, but I can't get into recovery (shows little red triangle). Should i flash an engineering boot loader if Im just going to flash CWM anyways?
Regards
Trevor
Ps, thank you for patience and helping a self admitted n00b out
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it shows if you have S-off in the bootloader
just power off your phone, and turn it on using the Power and Volume DOWN buttons.
IMO, i would flash the engineering bootloader, just to be on the safe side. who knows? someday it might save you
if i have helped, please hit thanks!

weird. i got it into hboot...and s'on. any ideas?
regards
trevor

rockr4Christ said:
weird. i got it into hboot...and s'on. any ideas?
regards
trevor
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which method of perm root did you use? root.sh or gfree?

i did the visionary perm root. isn't that the root.sh? i followed the guide here on the forums..
trev

rockr4Christ said:
i did the visionary perm root. isn't that the root.sh? i followed the guide here on the forums..
trev
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visionary and root.sh are two different things.
visionary only gives you root access while the root.sh script is the one that actually gives you the S-Off so that you can perm root.
here, try this link