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i turned on S now it wont let me turn it back on please help

hi guys i turned on s because iam sending this back to tmo. but i forgot to flash the stock recovery img and now i am attempting to root again with visionary. it says already rooted. but it wont give me permission. and the s is on. what do i do please help...

anyone...?

This is probably going to get moved to the Q & A forum before I can finish posting this.
I have yet to find an easier root process or an easier set of instructions to follow, than the following post...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834225
Please read that in its entirety. This is such an easy process that anyone who gets lost or messes it up, might not want to try it in the first place. I'm being as honest as possible, not trying to be insulting.
Ultimately, S=On is part of the un-root process, soooo, you're back at scratch. This means you would need to start back at the top of that post above and follow the instructions on how to root your phone/get S=Off.
Good luck!

shlongwoodian said:
This is probably going to get moved to the Q & A forum before I can finish posting this.
I have yet to find an easier root process or an easier set of instructions to follow, than the following post...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834225
Please read that in its entirety. This is such an easy process that anyone who gets lost or messes it up, might not want to try it in the first place. I'm being as honest as possible, not trying to be insulting.
Ultimately, S=On is part of the un-root process, soooo, you're back at scratch. This means you would need to start back at the top of that post above and follow the instructions on how to root your phone/get S=Off.
Good luck!
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i understand BUT when i run visionary it tells me already rooted.... but when i type in su it says permission denied....

We're going to need some additional details. You on 2.2.1? Have you restarted your phone since and tried again?
I'll spell it out for you - it really is dead-simple...
(***paraphrasing the OFFICIAL instructions in the thread I linked to above***)
- Enable USB Debugging
- Extract the root.rar in the original post - MAKE SURE YOU PAID ATTENTION AND NOTICED THERE IS A ROOT FOLDER WITHIN A ROOT FOLDER - a nested folder. You do NOT WANT THIS. You want just one /root folder on your sdcard, within it at the .sh scripts.
- Install VISIONary
- Attempt Temp Root
- Run Terminal emulator, type su and follow the instructions in the original post to execute the script - reboot.
- When your phone comes back up, run VISIONary again
- Attempt Temp Root
- Attempt Perm Root
There is really no way to mess this up. I have done this on 6 MT4G's, so if it's not working, you didn't follow the instructions - no doubt, no question. You don't need ADB - you can do this all from your phone with a file explorer (I use EStrongs) and a terminal emulator (I use Android Terminal Emulator).
I'm surprised this hasn't been moderated yet...

2012iawait said:
i understand BUT when i run visionary it tells me already rooted...
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What do you mean it "tells you already rooted"? I am rooted and just running VISIONary - that is, launching VISIONary - it doesn't tell you anything. If you click Temproot now, is that when it shows that?
You know you have to first do Temproot and then do Permroot, right? From what I've seen, you can't "over root," so honestly, I highly recommend starting over again. If possible, I would literally type out each and every step you're taking. Maybe it will show us where you're messing up.

Try a different version of visionary... r11 is my preference
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App

ESKIMOn00b said:
Try a different version of visionary... r11 is my preference
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App
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Good call. I thought about that as soon as I finished my last reply - i.e. check the VISIONary version.
I've been using r14 since my first MT4G and haven't had a single issue on any of the MT4G's I've used it on.

guys loook.... i am using r11 when i click root now.... it says already rooted i can access the clock work recover and everything but s is on and i dont have super user permission.... i turned the s on but now i cant turn it of. i dont have super user permission in terminal

2012iawait said:
i turned the s
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So that means you used the unroot.rar file and the process outlined in the first post? That's how you got S back =On again?

ok finally i got it. but now it wont let me flash the stock reocovery image i tried in adb and terminal in terminal it says file not found. and in adb sending reovery<3948kb> falled< status malformed help..... i have to send this back tomorrow

2012iawait said:
ok finally i got it.
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So what was it? It would help if you posted your mistake, so maybe it can help someone else that runs into problems.

shlongwoodian said:
So what was it? It would help if you posted your mistake, so maybe it can help someone else that runs into problems.
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i had to unroot it restart the temp root again then permroot.
done ... i flashed stock recovery....

Please post questions in Q&A section.

do I need s=off for cyanogenmod 7?

I have ROM manager premium, and I just downloaded CM7 through it, and was about to flash it, but remembered I dont have s=off.
Also, I cannot get past this screen no matter what. htt p://img145.imageshack.us/i/20110222142411.jpg/
Any help will be appreaciated I really want to be able to run CM7

You need to be rooted, use the ultimate gfree method that's stickie in the development section after you root make sure to back up your stock OS.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App

epsix said:
You need to be rooted, use the ultimate gfree method that's stickie in the development section after you root make sure to back up your stock OS.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App
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Thanks for answering, but I am rooted, I used the visionary perm-root method. I have terminal emulator and typed "su" and it prompted for super user access. I also have a few apps that use root, which work.

Root access alone is not enough. You need S-Off as well.

jggimi said:
Root access alone is not enough. You need S-Off as well.
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Is that why I always get this screen when I try to make a back up or boot into recovery.

jggimi said:
Root access alone is not enough. You need S-Off as well.
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This Statement is correct.
jessek17 said:
Thanks for answering, but I am rooted, I used the visionary perm-root method. I have terminal emulator and typed "su" and it prompted for super user access. I also have a few apps that use root, which work.
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for short terms "s" Means security protocol. If your S=ON that means the phone will do a search each time you boot the phone on to see if anything as been tampered with. and if it has it will revert back to a factory status. Just like you first bought the phone. Which includes rooting, recovery images, boot images, engineering screens. What ever you do to your phone that isn't factory will be undone.
It is impossible to do. Because you need to flash the ROM from the recovery image. And since one you boot your phone it will replace Clockwork ROM manager with the factory style recovery image, you cannot not even get to the place you need to flash it from.

jessek17 said:
Is that why I always get this screen when I try to make a back up or boot into recovery.
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Correct because you flashing the Clockwork Recovery image will not STICK unless you have s=off.
They system will replace the aftermarket image with the original EVERYTIME you turn off the phone.

That is the Stock Recovery. You need S-Off and ClockworkMod Recovery. And the right release of CWM Recovery, also. Use CWM Recovery 2.x to back up, restore, and install Android 2.2 (Froyo) based ROMs, including stock, and CWM Recovery 3.x to back up, restore, and install Android 2.3 (Gingerbread) based ROMs, such as CM7.
There is a special version of CWM Recovery that can manage both Froyo and Gingerbread ROMs: 3.0.0.6. Search for it in the Development subforum.

Thanks for all the information, I am slowly learning, and trying to understand all of this.
I am currently trying to get s=off. I found this link via google : ht tp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996
I am already "rooted" I believe, because I have superuser access. Should I unroot first?
Also, in order to back up my current(stock) rom, do I need to use clockwork recovery 2.x?

jessek17 said:
Thanks for all the information, I am slowly learning, and trying to understand all of this.
I am currently trying to get s=off. I found this link via google : ht tp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996
I am already "rooted" I believe, because I have superuser access. Should I unroot first?
Also, in order to back up my current(stock) rom, do I need to use clockwork recovery 2.x?
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Yes that method will work.
no do not unroot prior to starting that method
yes you need to use 2.x to back up froyo (2.2) ROMs.

neidlinger said:
Yes that method will work.
no do not unroot prior to starting that method
yes you need to use 2.x to back up froyo (2.2) ROMs.
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Okay, is there a simpler way to get s=off? That looks a little complex for my first time doing this, and it seems as if one typo will brick my phone.

jessek17 said:
Okay, is there a simpler way to get s=off? That looks a little complex for my first time doing this, and it seems as if one typo will brick my phone.
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http://theunlockr.com/2010/12/10/how-to-temporarily-root-the-t-mobile-mytouch-4g-htc-glacier/
you can use the link i posted ^^^ there.
I will state this though. That link that you posted is the simplest way of truly rooting your phone. If that seem complex i would advice against you doing it at this point in time.
Rooting your phone basically turns your phone into a computer that can make and receive phone calls. And doing the wrong thing at the wrong time will seriously FUBAR your phone.
If you take a look in the Q&A section and the General Section you will see TONS of post with people in your shoes that didn't know what they were getting into and didn't take the warning laid out there.
READ READ READ about the android ADB before you decide to root your phone. And learn what everything is and what it does.
not trying to sound like a "Richard" but i don't want to see you mess up your phone either.

neidlinger said:
http://theunlockr.com/2010/12/10/how-to-temporarily-root-the-t-mobile-mytouch-4g-htc-glacier/
you can use the link i posted ^^^ there.
I will state this though. That link that you posted is the simplest way of truly rooting your phone. If that seem complex i would advice against you doing it at this point in time.
Rooting your phone basically turns your phone into a computer that can make and receive phone calls. And doing the wrong thing at the wrong time will seriously FUBAR your phone.
If you take a look in the Q&A section and the General Section you will see TONS of post with people in your shoes that didn't know what they were getting into and didn't take the warning laid out there.
READ READ READ about the android ADB before you decide to root your phone. And learn what everything is and what it does.
not trying to sound like a "Richard" but i don't want to see you mess up your phone either.
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Isnt that just a video of temprooting and then confirming the root with terminal emulator?
I have seen many people with problems and they think they bricked their phone. I dont want to be one of them, and I've had a few close calls, and I'll tell you it wasnt fun.
From what I see ADB is just a remote terminal?
I appreciate that, and have taken the warnings very seriously.

jessek17 said:
Isnt that just a video of temprooting and then confirming the root with terminal emulator?
I have seen many people with problems and they think they bricked their phone. I dont want to be one of them, and I've had a few close calls, and I'll tell you it wasnt fun.
From what I see ADB is just a remote terminal?
I appreciate that, and have taken the warnings very seriously.
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That's kind of my point. People don't read.
If you take your time and read and do the entire process you won't have a problem. but you need to read all the way through something prior to jumping in the ring. There is a very strict set a rules that need to be followed.

little puzzled any help appreciated

ok so i recently picked up a used mytouch 4g. i rooted it and have superuser ability along with rom manager. have tried and think i have installed 3.0.2.4 clockwork recovery. i flashed that multiple times.
however when i try and boot into recovery i merely get to the phone with the red !. am i missing something?
thanks for your time!

kdm212 said:
ok so i recently picked up a used mytouch 4g. i rooted it and have superuser ability along with rom manager. have tried and think i have installed 3.0.2.4 clockwork recovery. i flashed that multiple times.
however when i try and boot into recovery i merely get to the phone with the red !. am i missing something?
thanks for your time!
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does you phone say s-off at the top when you boot into hBoot?

neidlinger said:
does you phone say s-off at the top when you boot into hBoot?
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s-on. however i thought you could still root and flash roms with it on. looks like im wrong?

kdm212 said:
s-on. however i thought you could still root and flash roms with it on. looks like im wrong?
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you are correct in your assumption.
The HTC Glacier and Vision have a security protocol in place that will revert the phone back to a 100% stock fashion every-time you turn off the phone. If you wish to do custom ROMs, recovery images, and radio files you must turn the "s-on" to "s-off".

neidlinger said:
you are correct in your assumption.
The HTC Glacier and Vision have a security protocol in place that will revert the phone back to a 100% stock fashion every-time you turn off the phone. If you wish to do custom ROMs, recovery images, and radio files you must turn the "s-on" to "s-off".
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ok so i did see the thread for s-off yet it seems very intensive. im also assuming theres no other way to get s-off.

kdm212 said:
ok so i did see the thread for s-off yet it seems very intensive. im also assuming theres no other way to get s-off.
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You can try the sh root.sh method.
1a ) download and install VISIONary.apk. Download from here
-Looks like you've done that since you have come this far.
1b) when you run VISIONary make sure both set system to R/W and Run Visionary.sh are both checked.
2) Download the script to the root of your SDcard
This is the file
3) Extract the folder from the .zip and store the folder with it's contents onto the root of the SDcard.
4) Download Terminal emulator from the market
-Link to the market for this app.
5) open the Terminal Emulator and type
Code:
$ su
#
The Dollar Sign " $ " should change to a pound sign " # ". If the Super user program ask for your permission, you'll want to grant it. You're screen should look like the box just above this line.
6 ) Change the directory to the root folder
Code:
# cd /sdcard/root
7) run the script
Code:
# sh root.sh
make sure you do not get any errors.
If you havent you can reboot into hBoot and look for s-off.
i personally used this method to root my phone before i left the t-mobile store when i bought the phone.
I CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE IF YOU MESS UP YOUR PHONE. ROOTING ONES PHONE IS SERIOUS BUSINESS AND SHOULDN'T BE TAKEN LIGHTLY. IF YOU SHOULD BLAME ME I WILL LAUGH AND POINT.

neidlinger said:
You can try the sh root.sh method.
1a ) download and install VISIONary.apk.
-Looks like you've done that since you have come this far.
1b) when you run VISIONary make sure both set system to R/W and Run Visionary.sh are both checked.
2) Download the script to the root of your SDcard
This is the file
3) Extract the folder from the .zip and store the folder with it's contents onto the root of the SDcard.
4) Download Terminal emulator from the market
-Link to the market for this app.
5) open the Terminal Emulator and type
Code:
$ su
#
The Dollar Sign " $ " should change to a pound sign " # ". If the Super user program ask for your permission, you'll want to grant it. You're screen should look like the box just above this line.
6 ) Change the directory to the root folder
Code:
# cd /sdcard/root
7) run the script
Code:
# sh root.sh
make sure you do not get any errors.
If you havent you can reboot into hBoot and look for s-off.
i personally used this method to root my phone before i left the t-mobile store when i bought the phone.
I CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE IF YOU MESS UP YOUR PHONE. ROOTING ONES PHONE IS SERIOUS BUSINESS AND SHOULDN'T BE TAKEN LIGHTLY. IF YOU SHOULD BLAME ME I WILL LAUGH AND POINT.
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tried that and it does have s-off. thanks! however when i try to boot into recovery im still stuck with the phone and !...
EDIT: /sdcard/root/wpx.ko failed (function not implemented)

kdm212 said:
tried that and it does have s-off. thanks! however when i try to boot into recovery im still stuck with the phone and !...
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After doing the above method you're gonna have to reinstall the recovery from Rom Manager. Watch it carefully do not let the phone sleep (I recommend going to delopment check never sleep while charging and plug it into a charger while it downloads.) You have to pay attention because it will ask for SU permissions when it finishes downloading, and it for some reason only gives you like 3 or 4 seconds instead of the usual ten. If you have already tried installing the recovery you may wanna go to the SU App and make sure that Rom Manager didn't get denied premission which is the default if you do not select Allow fast enough.

got it! thank you very much! cant wait to play with a new rom. any recommendations?

Virtuous Fusion 1.0.6 with sense 3.0/3D is fantastic!. Give it a go.

kdm212 said:
got it! thank you very much! cant wait to play with a new rom. any recommendations?
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Try out a sense rom and non sense to decide which you like best. virtuous fusion 1.0.6 is pretty nice sense rom and cm7 or royalginger are awesome non sense roms.

im going to try both!

kdm212 said:
im going to try both!
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Make sure to do Nandroid Backups prior to flashing new ROMs. And just a fair warning you might want to install the .85 (engineering) hBoot.

what is that hboot all about?

neidlinger said:
Make sure to do Nandroid Backups prior to flashing new ROMs. And just a fair warning you might want to install the .85 (engineering) hBoot.
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Absolutely a great idea, little nerve wracking to make changes to hboot and radio but very worth it. The directions how to do engineering boot loader are in the ultimate s-off sticky. Confusing at first, but after you do it once it gets easier.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App

kdm212 said:
what is that hboot all about?
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It's a option that helps prevent bricking the device. Allows you to flash section of to phone's workings
[sent via Cyanogen powered Android]

Shivansh said:
Virtuous Fusion 1.0.6 with sense 3.0/3D is fantastic!. Give it a go.
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+++++100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 BEST ROM I HAVE EVER USED!!!!!
*so far

so first i must thank you all for the help. now the bad, i decided to buy another mytouch 4g. my fiance liked the old one so much that she took it. so now im here with a new one and have nothing but problems.
im running 2.2.1 and seem to be able to root the phone. su icon is on and everything. BUT if i reboot the phone its like i have to start over. im not just temp rooting either. second, i cant get ANY terminal emulator to let me have su access.
visionary, z4root, adb. you name it and i seem to think ive tried it. lol this is unfair, my chicks phone is way better than mine.
any help would be so awesome.

kdm212 said:
so first i must thank you all for the help. now the bad, i decided to buy another mytouch 4g. my fiance liked the old one so much that she took it. so now im here with a new one and have nothing but problems.
im running 2.2.1 and seem to be able to root the phone. su icon is on and everything. BUT if i reboot the phone its like i have to start over. im not just temp rooting either. second, i cant get ANY terminal emulator to let me have su access.
visionary, z4root, adb. you name it and i seem to think ive tried it. lol this is unfair, my chicks phone is way better than mine.
any help would be so awesome.
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Trade phones back so she gets the new one. Problem solved!
Seriously though, some of these phones won't root with visionary root.sh method. Bad news is if it's not working you will need to try gfree method to root which is indicative of a phone with the emmc chip that is considered to be faulty. For more info search for the thread about emmc chips.
Sent from my demonSPEED Glacier using XDA Premium App

so this is not a rootable phone?

[Q] cant install cwrm on the mt4g

hi guys i need a little help i cant flash or install the cwrm on the my touch 4g the phone is alrady rooted i temp rooted then perm rooted and now im rooted after the boot so i guess that means im rooted but when i flash the cwrm apparently everything goes smooth then i click on boot into recovery mode and it just never happens, instead i get the phone with the red triangle, and then i tried to do it manually (vol down power button) and insted of s=off i get s=on so i dont know what to think am i rooted or not? i have the superuser app and it asks me to allow things sometimes plus the root checker tells me im rooted....so please help me

If your bootloader still shows S-ON, you're definitely not rooted. Here are two root methods to try:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858021
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996
Personally, I recommend the first one that uses Visionary and the root.sh script.

TeeJay3800 said:
If your bootloader still shows S-ON, you're definitely not rooted. Here are two root methods to try:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858021
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996
Personally, I recommend the first one that uses Visionary and the root.sh script.
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TJ is pretty much hit the nail on head.
The "s-on / s-off" is a security check. If your "s-on" the phone will restore it self to a 100% new status, any recovery images, fonts, rooted apps, have been replaced back to a like new status. You need to manually turn the security check off. Which one of the two links TJ will do for you.

Then just download rom manager from market. Open it and flash cwm through it. That simple.

dubie76 said:
Then just download rom manager from market. Open it and flash cwm through it. That simple.
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IF their "s" is sill "on" it will not flash and overwrite the stock recovery image. They'll flash it and it'll go right back to stock once they turn off the phone.

neidlinger said:
IF their "s" is sill "on" it will not flash and overwrite the stock recovery image. They'll flash it and it'll go right back to stock once they turn off the phone.
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Correct. I was adding to your post. That's why I said, "then"...

dubie76 said:
Correct. I was adding to your post. That's why I said, "then"...
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*face palm*
i thought it was a sarcastic post

TeeJay3800 said:
If your bootloader still shows S-ON, you're definitely not rooted. Here are two root methods to try:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858021
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996
Personally, I recommend the first one that uses Visionary and the root.sh script.
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+1 wow, I've learned so much just from reading some of your posts.

neidlinger said:
*face palm*
i thought it was a sarcastic post
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Lol. no, sorry I wasnt as clear as I thought I was.

[Q] unrevoked wont flash

hi
im a complete noob at this game so plz bear with me.. i managed to s off my wildfire earlier with alpharev (cheers alpharev) and have followed instructions on other threads but i still cant get the latest unrevoked to work..it still asks if the firmware is new? ive also tried the older version which also fails to flash the recovery.
i used the latest superoneclick and it went through the motions and deemed that the phone was rooted but as i checked it, it wasnt
i have just used rom manager premium and it downloads clockwork to about 99% then freezes and force closes
can anyone point me it the right direction as im loosing my hair atm
thanks in advance.

tincaesox said:
hi
im a complete noob at this game so plz bear with me.. i managed to s off my wildfire earlier with alpharev (cheers alpharev) and have followed instructions on other threads but i still cant get the latest unrevoked to work..it still asks if the firmware is new? ive also tried the older version which also fails to flash the recovery.
i used the latest superoneclick and it went through the motions and deemed that the phone was rooted but as i checked it, it wasnt
i have just used rom manager premium and it downloads clockwork to about 99% then freezes and force closes
can anyone point me it the right direction as im loosing my hair atm
thanks in advance.
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with superoneclick, hit shell root, wait. after , hit root, and you'll have it !

anonimo95 said:
with superoneclick, hit shell root, wait. after , hit root, and you'll have it !
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thanks..tried this and still no joy

Try this way:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1130044

nejc121 said:
Try this way:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1130044
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worked a treat
kudos to you man

no need of shell root first. Directly hitting the root also gives permaroot.
And go with PC49IMG process or fastboot flash recovery process for custom recovery. Donot use unrevoked.