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Sticking with the Evo

I reserved an Epic 4G for pick up today from the Sprint Store but decided to play around with a demo before buying it. Good thing I did. As the title suggests, I ended up walking out of the store with my Evo still activated.
The Epic has some things going for it. The appearance of the screen is amazing, as every single review has said already. The keyboard feels pretty good but unless I'm composing a long e-mail or typing up a word document, I'd rather just use the soft keyboard for quick texts and brief e-mails. The GPU on the Epic is also much better than the Epic. I downloaded Quadrant and the 3D graphics tests were hitting 30-50 FPS range where the Evo would only get to 15-20 FPS. Also, the Epic has Gorilla Glass...enough said about that.
Now for the bad. The soft keys are a pain in the ass when they dim. You can't tell what you are pressing until you've already hit the wrong one. The camera is not that great. I took a picture of the inside of the store with both the Evo and Epic. Both cameras were set to their max resolutions with minimum image compression. On the Evo, I could zoom in on the snapped picture and make out the weave in the carpet. But on the Epic, all I could see were colorful blobs. You wouldn't think the screen size would matter much but this was also very noticeable when using the soft keyboard and tapping on links with the browser zoomed out. Much easier to do on the Evo. Quadrant also gave the Epic (2.1) 900 vs the Evo (2.2) 1400 score index. I wish I had a 2.1 Evo to compare scores but that was all I had. Subjectively, I liked the look and feel of the Evo more than the Epic. The Evo looks slick and feels dense like a piece of jewelry where as the Epic looks like, well, a plastic phone.
Everything else was a draw. If I did not already have the Evo, I'd have a much harder time deciding which one to walk out of the store with. However, since I already had the Evo, I felt it wasn't worth the hassle to switch phones for a questionably minor change.

Thanks for the run down.
I'm so eager to see what people think of the Epic.
I don't have very high expectations for it, I'm still smitten with my EVO

if you guys own an evo, I don't think there is enough benefit to outweigh the new price unless you need the latest and greatest cpu/gpu. But for someone coming in looking for a new phone, the Epic wins handsdown. I mean there is no real comparison here. I've been using my Vibrant for a month now and literally, every other screen I look at looks like crap. Including the evo. I've used my friends evo and it is laggy as well. But either way, a phone is a phone right?
This is without 2.2 lol. Once 2.2 hits you can expect 3000+ The pic below is not mine but mine hits 2250, every thing/program/etc runs instantly. This so called lag fix is nothing special. Other manufacturers uses it on their phones not sure why Sammy didn't include it from the factory. I don't think any other phone out there in the WOrld ever hit over 2000 lol.
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I am pretty sure Caulk has a screen shot of his hitting 3000+. Apparently it is not hard to mess with the scores and that the way it currently determines the scores is very flawed.

boodies said:
I've been using my Vibrant for a month now and literally, every other screen I look at looks like crap. Including the evo.
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I use my screen outside!

I just came back from a Sprint store expecting to be absolutely overwhelmed by the Epic screen. I was not. In fact, I was underwhelmed.
I honestly was expecting to be blown away. But I was not. In fact, I think the Evo display looks better! Why?
1. Color seemed to be oversatured
2. The screen is REALLY pixelated. I mean not just a little. More pixelated than an iPhone 3GS, I kid you not. I was shocked. I was expecting it to be really crisp since it's same resolution as the EVO on a screen that's physically smaller. But seriously, why hasn't anyone mentioned this? It's hard to spot pixels on the evo screen, that's absolutely not the case with the Epic. The Evo screen looks like a Retina display compared to the Epic. Go to a Sprint store if you haven't and see it for yourself. Again, i am EXTREMELY surprised no one has mentioned it, even in reviews.
3. White is not white, it's blue.
Everything else was really nice. But I was seriously underwhelmed with the screen.

I went in to look at since still under 30 days. Kept my evo. Screen is really nice but damn that .3 inch is a killer. Also didn't like the bottom buttons. Nice keyboard. Had a tp2 which I loved the keyboard. But I always went back to the screen on it. It looked like the settings for contrast was all the way up. I'm sticking to my evo. Wasn't impressed with the epic. Just the screen. For what I do or what phones are capable to do right now with apps the evo is fine.
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zeuzinn said:
I just came back from a Sprint store expecting to be absolutely overwhelmed by the Epic screen. I was not. In fact, I was underwhelmed.
I honestly was expecting to be blown away. But I was not. In fact, I think the Evo display looks better! Why?...
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After looking at your history of cell phones, I have no choice but to believe you.

lol, nothing but denials. that's just human nature.

I reserved an epic but bought an evo last friday.the evo is smaller edge to edge but has a larger screen.there may be problems with the epic gps and many more roms are currently available for the evo.

boodies said:
lol, nothing but denials. that's just human nature.
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huh? this makes no sense. People that have the ability to trade in their current phones for the new phone are not doing so because they don't like it.
I don't even have a choice, but I wouldn't get it because of its smaller screen and physical keyboard. I do wish the Evo had a better CPU/GPU combo though.

They say the grass is always greener on the other side of the septic tank.
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boodies said:
lol, nothing but denials. that's just human nature.
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Dude, trust me. If the Epic was better, I would have gotten it. I can change phones like I change clothes. Also, your post has irony written all over it lmao.

I'll have to stroll into a radioshack some time soon to check it out. I've had my Evo for 5 days so I still have time to switch. I've been enjoying my Evo so far though so it'll be hard for Samsung to win me over.

sintricate said:
I'll have to stroll into a radioshack some time soon to check it out. I've had my Evo for 5 days so I still have time to switch. I've been enjoying my Evo so far though so it'll be hard for Samsung to win me over.
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After you do can you please also confirm that the screen is Pixelated as hell? My brother has an iPhone 4 and kept rubbing in how he couldn't see pixels on the Retina display, until I showed my EVO and he couldn't either. lol.
The Epic's screen is so pixelated it actually makes it a deal breaker to me. I am just stunned no one else has mentioned it, it's just so glaring to me.
P.s.: I don't think radioshack stores have working models on display. Just dummies.

zeuzinn said:
After you do can you please also confirm that the screen is Pixelated as hell? My brother has an iPhone 4 and kept rubbing in how he couldn't see pixels on the Retina display, until I showed my EVO and he couldn't either. lol.
The Epic's screen is so pixelated it actually makes it a deal breaker to me. I am just stunned no one else has mentioned it, it's just so glaring to me.
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You might just be right. I saw a Tmobile Vibrant on demo at RadioShack last week and it was playing a movie and it looked really pixelated. I wasn't sure if it was just the movie or what since it was stuck on some kind of demo mode. I'll report back as soon as I'm able to play around with an Epic.

zeuzinn said:
After you do can you please also confirm that the screen is Pixelated as hell? My brother has an iPhone 4 and kept rubbing in how he couldn't see pixels on the Retina display, until I showed my EVO and he couldn't either. lol.
The Epic's screen is so pixelated it actually makes it a deal breaker to me. I am just stunned no one else has mentioned it, it's just so glaring to me.
P.s.: I don't think radioshack stores have working models on display. Just dummies.
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I can confirm this. I was eligible to get it today over my evo but I didn't..
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im getting flashbacks
this is a Hero VS Samsung Moment decision all over again. From the Hero's light leakage to the moments blue hue and a-moled screen. Even then the Samsung moment had a better processor. I chose the Samsung moment because of the build quality and regretted the decision. I can assume the Epic wont be treated like a bastard step child. I think more people were happy with the Hero than the Samsung moment. Part of that , i recognize is the fact that Samsung never advertised the Moment. I am going out on a limb and predict that this phone is too large (thickness) for mass appeal. Regardless of how you paint it and how many specs you can throw out, it is not as sexy as that "idevice". I hope i made the right choice purchasing the EVO no more bulging pockets!

Any evo owner anticipating the t-mo g2 though?

joackie27 said:
Any evo owner anticipating the t-mo g2 though?
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"Given the rumored 1GHz processor, 3.7-inch display, and 5-megapixel camera, the G2 will have hardware that puts it in the same pack as the Motorola Droid 2 and Samsung Epic 4G."
Article Link: http://www.cnet.com/8301-19736_1-20015229-251.html
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I'm assuming any current Evo owners that dislike the Vibrant/Epic would also dislike the G2, the G2 and Vibrant/Epic seem to be in the same class.
The only two things I would want from the Vibrant/Epic is its CPU/GPU combo and 16GB on-board NAND, everything else is a con to me, compared to the Evo.

Why Samsung was a better choice than HTC

1. Processor/GPU.
2. Super Amoled.
3. Touch Screens.
4. Build Quality.
5. Freshness.
6. Great speakers.
I also think Google chose Samsung because of two very big HTC ****ups / backstabs.
1. The Nexus One. A Great Phone...
Except for the touch screen.
This was Google's "baby". And what did HTC do? They shipped all of their devices with faulty touch screens. ALL of them. And people overlook this? Why? This is HUGE. People say Samsung has a bad track record but this dwarfs Samsung's software issues. No I'm not speaking out of my ass, as I do own a Nexus One. I forked 350$ out for one why? Just so I could attempt to deal with the multi-touch issues on my projects.
2. HTC G2. Anti-Root.
No more comment on this. Of course they eventually figured it out, but HTC didn't want you to.
3. ?
Terrible, scratchy speakers on the Nexus One. Even on the G2.
What are your thoughts? I understand some people prefer the metal and hate the plastic. I for one love the aluminum on the iPad and Macbook Airs. However I also like the way the plastic feels on the Vibrant minus the 'creaks'. It feels very smooth in comparison to the G2 for instance.

HTC has been great to me but I am happy Google went with Samsung.
Without the SuperAMOLED I wouldn't even be considering this phone as an upgrade to my Nexus-1

I agree with you OP. I loved the look and feel of the Vibrant, but i kept my N1 because of the "Pure Google" experience. I always thought to myself i wish the Galaxy S phone had Vanilla android, that would be amazing! We will see next week.

ap3604 said:
HTC has been great to me but I am happy Google went with Samsung.
Without the SuperAMOLED I wouldn't even be considering this phone as an upgrade to my Nexus-1
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Pretty much everything Anderdroid said we both went from Nexus one to galaxy S phones so have plenty of experience between both hardware of the N1/NS
even without SAMOLED this phone its better than nexus one
better multitouch up to 5 finger registration, better external speaker and sound quality is excellent whether its from external,3.5 and even stereo bluetoooth. Not to mention ridiculously fast mobile GPU
But yea SAMOLED is a huge plus IMO produces better whites doesn't seem to have the bluish/purplish tint that i noticed with my N1 and also better in direct sunlight

demo23019 said:
Pretty much everything Anderdroid said we both went from Nexus one to galaxy S phones so have plenty of experience between both hardware of the N1/NS
even without SAMOLED this phone its better than nexus one
better multitouch up to 5 finger registration, better external speaker and sound quality is excellent whether its from external,3.5 and even stereo bluetoooth. Not to mention ridiculously fast mobile GPU
But yea SAMOLED is a huge plus IMO produces better whites doesn't seem to have the bluish/purplish tint that i noticed with my N1 and also better in direct sunlight
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Oh yeah! I forgot about how trashy the G2's and Nexus One's speakers are.

HTC failed on screen (multi-touch plague) and speakers - these 2 things alone, made me hate them.

Anderdroid said:
1. Processor/GPU.
2. Super Amoled.
3. Touch Screens.
4. Build Quality.
5. Freshness.
6. Great speakers.
I also think Google chose Samsung because of two very big HTC ****ups / backstabs.
1. The Nexus One. A Great Phone...
Except for the touch screen.
This was Google's "baby". And what did HTC do? They shipped all of their devices with faulty touch screens. ALL of them. And people overlook this? Why? This is HUGE. People say Samsung has a bad track record but this dwarfs Samsung's software issues. No I'm not speaking out of my ass, as I do own a Nexus One. I forked 350$ out for one why? Just so I could attempt to deal with the multi-touch issues on my projects.
2. HTC G2. Anti-Root.
No more comment on this. Of course they eventually figured it out, but HTC didn't want you to.
3. ?
Terrible, scratchy speakers on the Nexus One. Even on the G2.
What are your thoughts? I understand some people prefer the metal and hate the plastic. I for one love the aluminum on the iPad and Macbook Airs. However I also like the way the plastic feels on the Vibrant minus the 'creaks'. It feels very smooth in comparison to the G2 for instance.
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I completely agree with you. You said everything.
I was planning to switch my HTC Desire for a Galaxy S, but the Galaxy S looks too much like an iPhone, and out of the box has bad system file, and touchwiz and stuff like that. Now Nexus S is out, with an unique, gorgeous design, I'm probably gonna buy it. Just wanna see some more reviews.

I honestly don't agree that it looks too much like an iPhone... How exactly? Even then I'm not even anti-iPhone so w/e. I think it has a better design than the iPhone.

Anderdroid said:
I understand some people prefer the metal and hate the plastic. I for one love the aluminum on the iPad and Macbook Airs. However I also like the way the plastic feels on the Vibrant minus the 'creaks'. It feels very smooth in comparison to the G2 for instance.
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You know what i dont understand is why there haven been any 3rd part aluminum battery cover replacement for galaxy S IMO this would be great
This would solve the whole cheap feel not to mention eliminate fingerprints on the back.

Anderdroid said:
I honestly don't agree that it looks too much like an iPhone... How exactly? Even then I'm not even anti-iPhone so w/e. I think it has a better design than the iPhone.
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I've got an iPhone 3Gs before my Desire, so I know what I'm talking about.
Many of my friends that saw the Galaxy S phone just said : "holy crap what an iPhone-Like!" without knowing anything about the phone.
With the metal around it, a kind of speaker above, a big home button under the screen, makes it look like an iPhone.
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I'm sorry this does like an iPhone(not only the UI).

EleCtrOx666 said:
I've got an iPhone 3Gs before my Desire, so I know what I'm talking about.
Many of my friends that saw the Galaxy S phone just said : "holy crap what an iPhone-Like!" without knowing anything about the phone.
With the metal around it, a kind of speaker above, a big home button under the screen, makes it look like an iPhone.
I'm sorry this does like an iPhone(not only the UI).
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Well Im glad the nexus s and any us version of the sgs do not look like that. Only the EU I9000 looks like that and has the buttons like that.

shep211 said:
Well Im glad the nexus s and any us version of the sgs do not look like that. Only the EU I9000 looks like that and has the buttons like that.
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The tmobile vibrant looks the same minus the big home button

I agree with everything the OP said and then some:
- super evil NAND lock on devices making the whole "open" in the OS to pretty much heavily locked down. To date Samsung were very relaxed about securing their devices in evil ways.

Better reach of Samsung all over the world. For exmaple, here in India HTC support is pathetic/kind of non existence. They have just started setting up their own service centers. Whereas samsung is pretty establisehd in this part of the world since long time. So I assume samsung has a wider reach.
But would love to see HTC expand their market here. Very few HTC models here

Samsung was probably the better choice.. though, I don't think I appreciate the material they used to make the NS. The N1 may have had a faulty touchscreen (wasn't that the same touch panel used on all the devices HTC made, prior to their more recent ones?).. but at least it didn't have a plastic covered casing that adores fingerprints.
I don't know exactly what the problem is with using plastic, but everyone doesn't like it.. so.. I'm jumping on the bandwagon, lol. In all seriousness though, why exactly is this so horrible?

Eclair~ said:
Samsung was probably the better choice.. though, I don't think I appreciate the material they used to make the NS. The N1 may have had a faulty touchscreen (wasn't that the same touch panel used on all the devices HTC made, prior to their more recent ones?).. but at least it didn't have a plastic covered casing that adores fingerprints.
I don't know exactly know what the problem is with using plastic, but everyone doesn't like it.. so.. I'm jumping on the bandwagon, lol. In all seriousness though, why exactly is this so horrible?
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Because it feels/looks more cheap then say, N1/Desire/Iphone 4 etc, the look suits more of a mid range phone, then a top end smartphone.

I have to say one thing I loved about the N1 was the teflon (or whatever it was) coating on the battery panel and back/sides of the phone. It would shrug off fingerprints and was quite hard to nick/scratch. Although after almost a year of use, my N1 does show some of the coating peeling off near the headphone jack and also near the USB plug.

SAMOLED has the bluish tints with their whites as well. And the Pentile Matrix arrangement used in SAMOLED results in not so sharp text. S-LCD is better in that way. Obviously overall both screens kind of tie out.

I agree with most of these posts. Vanilla android plus galaxy s is a dream come true.
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Superfrag said:
SAMOLED has the bluish tints with their whites as well. And the Pentile Matrix arrangement used in SAMOLED results in not so sharp text. S-LCD is better in that way. Obviously overall both screens kind of tie out.
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I hate hearing that because it makes me wonder if all those tests I've done saying I have 20/20 vision are incorrect since I can't ever see what you all are talking about unless i literally press my eyeball up against the screen. And even then, the screen on my Captivate doesn't have any 'matrices' showing.
Or maybe you just go along with what the detractors say without actually checking out a SAMOLED screen

Disappointed with washed out screen

I received my Shift today only to find out it has a crappy washed out screen. I've had some experiences with bad displays on the Mytouch 4G as indicated in this thread so I decided to visit a few Sprint stores and kiosks to check out their displays. They all exhibited washed out screens when viewed from an angle. All the reps I talked to are unaware of a display issue or didn't even notice problem until I pointed it out.
I also noticed that all the EVOs I looked at had a similar problem. I decided to check out a Verizon kiosk and looked at the Droid Incredible, Droid 2, and Droid X - which I believe are all LCD panels - and they all had good to great viewing angles.
I'm wondering if it is an issue similar to the MT4G where HTC was using 2 different panel types. If this is the intended quality of the screen I'm pretty disappointed. Fortunately this phone isn't for me and my girlfriend doesn't mind it. As bad as Samsung is I enjoy the SAMOLED screen on my Vibrant. I think I will pass up on the EVO and the Shift and wait to see what Sprint debuts in the next few months.

I think you have a bit of an unreasonable expectation there. Its a phone. You're supposed to look directly a it.

funny my screen is vibrant and crystal clear. return the thing if it isnt right and quit yer *****ing

Damn what's up with all the hostility?
Can you post some pictures similar to the one in the MT4G thread for comparison? A return is definitely warranted if the screen quality is abnormal.

silow said:
Damn what's up with all the hostility?
Can you post some pictures similar to the one in the MT4G thread for comparison? A return is definitely warranted if the screen quality is abnormal.
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Well part of the hostility is that a lot of posts are started here basically just to ***** about something and what not. And people get tired of it.
Also something like this is very subjective because a lot of people wouldn't expect a device like this to be viewable from 120 degrees, because why would you want to view it like that.
If you don't like the display then thats fine, just don't buy the phone and then start to ***** about it.
Personally, I haven't noticed any viewing angle problems, but I'm usually viewing it from the intended viewing angle. (or pretty close).
I do notice some washing out at 120 degree or greater, but I can barely read whats on the screen, so it really doesn't matter.
Perhaps the Epic 4g is the phone for you if you just want to be able to view your phone while laying in bed next to it... (i kid i kid) but seriously perhaps the Epic (Galaxy S line) is the way for you to go.

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I received my Shift today only to find out it has a crappy washed out screen. I've had some experiences with bad displays on the Mytouch 4G as indicated in this thread so I decided to visit a few Sprint stores and kiosks to check out their displays. They all exhibited washed out screens when viewed from an angle. All the reps I talked to are unaware of a display issue or didn't even notice problem until I pointed it out.
I also noticed that all the EVOs I looked at had a similar problem. I decided to check out a Verizon kiosk and looked at the Droid Incredible, Droid 2, and Droid X - which I believe are all LCD panels - and they all had good to great viewing angles.
I'm wondering if it is an issue similar to the MT4G where HTC was using 2 different panel types. If this is the intended quality of the screen I'm pretty disappointed. Fortunately this phone isn't for me and my girlfriend doesn't mind it. As bad as Samsung is I enjoy the SAMOLED screen on my Vibrant. I think I will pass up on the EVO and the Shift and wait to see what Sprint debuts in the next few months.
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*looks around to see who cares* I don't understand the point of this thread. You're complaining about a imaginary problem on a phone you're not even going to use, yet your girlfriend doesn't mind this supposed issue? Most people view the display right smack dab in front of them. Its not a tv, you're not going to be ten feet away from the device trying to use it are you?
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I don't notice any unreasonable amount of washing out (or any at all really) at ANY angle. I imagine if you're standing in sunlight it will, but inside my work, I can pretty much view it at angles up to 180 degrees. Can I read the icons? Of course not, but the screen isn't "washed out" at that angle either.

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I don't notice any unreasonable amount of washing out (or any at all really) at ANY angle. I imagine if you're standing in sunlight it will, but inside my work, I can pretty much view it at angles up to 180 degrees. Can I read the icons? Of course not, but the screen isn't "washed out" at that angle either.
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riggsandroid said:
Well part of the hostility is that a lot of posts are started here basically just to ***** about something and what not. And people get tired of it.
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Don't like it? Don't read it. Problem solved.

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Don't like it? Don't read it. Problem solved.
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well many of us read the posts because we genuinely want to help somebody if theyre having a legit problem so "dont like it dont read it" doesnt exactly work in a forum like this....i agree the hostility should def come down a level but I also agree this is basically a non-issue, at least for 95% of people out there who dont need to look at their phone from any sort of angle....but to be fair to the 5% left it is a legit concern so def no need for any hostility at all really.....

AnalogXDA said:
Don't like it? Don't read it. Problem solved.
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I just don't know what this guy is expecting? He asked why the hostitlity and I told him why.
I didn't think my post was "hostile" in any way, but whatever.
Hope you're able to track down hardware you are happy with OP.

My phone looks perfect from whatever angle I view it at. Meh.

Think the hostility comment was directed at me. The way I see it he has choices. Keep it and complain or take it back and have sprint fix or replace it or dump it on his gf which is what he did.
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foxsdaddy67 said:
Think the hostility comment was directed at me. The way I see it he has choices. Keep it and complain or take it back and have sprint fix or replace it or dump it on his gf which is what he did.
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Lmao.
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anthonyf27 said:
My phone looks perfect from whatever angle I view it at. Meh.
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Can you post a picture similar to this (including the HTC clock widget)? I'd like to compare to see if my phone is in fact defective.

I can't post a picture, but my unit looks just like the picture you've posted.
I agree that viewing angles aren't that big a deal on a cell phone. The device is really meant to be looked at directly and from a close range. Hell, this could even be a privacy feature! With this kind of screen, the guy next to you on the bus can't read your emails!
BS aside, I think this is a non-issue for the vast majority of people. If it's a big deal to you, return it. Get a Sammy phone. It's your money. You should get what makes you happy.
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so the "washing out" you're talking about is mainly on white areas on the screen? Mine does that at angles over about 75 degrees, but that's to be expected with most (if not all) LCD panels so it's certainly not unreasonable or even noticeable to me.
Why are you trying to view it at that kind of an angle anyway?
I will mention that I can still read what's on your screen at that angle, even if the colors aren't accurate to what they are viewing straight. Heck, I can read text messages on my phone at nearly 90 degrees. They're obviously off color, but the text shows up just fine.

tatonka_hero said:
so the "washing out" you're talking about is mainly on white areas on the screen? Mine does that at angles over about 75 degrees, but that's to be expected with most (if not all) LCD panels so it's certainly not unreasonable or even noticeable to me.
Why are you trying to view it at that kind of an angle anyway?
I will mention that I can still read what's on your screen at that angle, even if the colors aren't accurate to what they are viewing straight. Heck, I can read text messages on my phone at nearly 90 degrees. They're obviously off color, but the text shows up just fine.
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It doesn't only affect the white areas on the screen, i.e. the numbers in the clock are supposed to be black. Check out the Mytouch 4G thread I linked in my original post, it shows side-by-side comparisons of 2 different panel types on the MT4G - one exhibiting this washed out effect. It's been speculated by developers whom sifted through source code that the "bad" panel is a Sharp panel and the "good" panel is Sony. I'm not savvy on LCD panels so I don't know if this is an inherit trait of LCD technology. I do know that I've seen devices such as the Droid Incredible (LCD version), MT4G with a good panel, and others that do not have this problem. The high quality IPS panels on the iPhones don't exhibit this either.
It's not that I use the phone at these angles. This is just the best way to show the washing out effects.

compared to my htc aria my shift's screen is washed out, the darks arent as dark, the colors aren't as vibrant.
I have friends with regular EVOs (launch day evo's not current) and the screen on those screens are horribly washed out. The evos at the sprint store are much better..
I don't think the shift's screen is at all bad, but there is room for improvement.

Think the mods need to change the name of this thread to
GUIDE: how NOT to view an LCD screen lol
sent from my evo shift

[Q] is it just me or is the top bezel thicker than bottom (and other small worries)

I've been following the z2 eagerly, ever since the first leak and i had a fear that it it no longer symmetrical, i have done alot of analyzing of pictures and videos and it to me seems like the top bezel is EVER SO SLIGHTLY thicker than the bottom meaning theres no symmetry.
I have a ocd like obsession with design and symmetry, which is why i choose the z series since the first z, it also to me sadly seeme the z2 has been more rounded than the z1 which to me is a slight dissapointment.
Second off it seems both the back glass and the metal frame has gotten a bluish hue, from what i have seen i liked the z1's gun metal grey frame i don't understand why they changed it infact more black would be nice too, other videos show it in a more premium like silver which i like alot so it is hard to judge as many videos look different.
A positive thing is that it seems they got rid of that ugly plastic strip inside the metal frame that the z1 had, it ruined the design for that phone in my opinion and i adore the design of my z1 just hated that plastic.
other than these microscopic worries the phone seems to be my absolute dream phone inside and out.

I think its the SONY branding, sensors, camera and the black stripe of the speaker bar that gives the impression of a greater bezel up top.

Can't really tell you.
if you're really obsessed with symmetry, maybe you should bring a ruler when you about to buy it later

mujj said:
I think its the SONY branding, sensors, camera and the black stripe of the speaker bar that gives the impression of a greater bezel up top.
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heres the thing i took sonys official front press picture of the phone copied it put it next to the phone upside down it seems to check out
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heres the thing i took sonys official front press picture of the phone copied it put it next to the phone upside down it seems to check out
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OH Yeah..I.....can....see.........................Nah..

Publicglutton said:
OH Yeah..I.....can....see.........................Nah..
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isn't it obvious unless i am completely wrong
that the bottom one is like 0.5 mm or so longer they would be completely centered with eachother as i flipped the phone unless i am completely missing something

Looks like it is. Can't say it's a problem though. Xperia Z was the same and I only noticed it after a few days...

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isn't it obvious unless i am completely wrong
that the bottom one is like 0.5 mm or so longer they would be completely centered with eachother as i flipped the phone unless i am completely missing something
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zz, Taking a longer much closer look at your example image of the bezel , I think your right , it's very tiny difference...but it's there .
It does not really bother me though, I'm much more OCD about keeping my phone in pristine condition, so as soon as I recieve mine it will be on with a front & back screen protector and case :silly:

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zz, Taking a longer much closer look at your example image of the bezel , I think your right , it's very tiny difference...but it's there .
It does not really bother me though, I'm much more OCD about keeping my phone in pristine condition, so as soon as I recieve mine it will be on with a front & back screen protector and case :silly:
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oh this is not what i wanted to know due to my obsession
and i am ocd about EVERYTHING i spent hours yesterday looking up pictures and videos comparing them to eachother to get the right look of the frame some pictures show it with a dark like blue which is ok other show it with a purple silver like hue which to me is a little on the girly side but i need to see myself before i judge the phone is so perfect that i am nitpicking the heck out of it
the other small tiny worry is that it seems they wen't back to the blue like black glass like the original z
i liked the blue like frame on the original z so chances are i'll like z2 aswell
but WHY would they touch the already perfect z1 design they only needed to add the thinner bezels speakers and screen and get rid of that plastic the design was perfect as it was
if they even dare putting XPERIA in big letters at the front on their next flagship then i won't even bother even trying to consider that it would entirely damage the phone beyond repair for me
the z1 was so perfect but i guess i can't expect them to mae a phone after my taste the omnibalance design was almost that
edit:it all makes sense now they only reduced the bezel at the bottom not the top
which means the top bezel is the same thickness as z1
it all makes sense now

zzcool said:
oh this is not what i wanted to know due to my obsession
and i am ocd about EVERYTHING i spent hours yesterday looking up pictures and videos comparing them to eachother to get the right look of the frame some pictures show it with a dark like blue which is ok other show it with a purple silver like hue which to me is a little on the girly side but i need to see myself before i judge the phone is so perfect that i am nitpicking the heck out of it
the other small tiny worry is that it seems they wen't back to the blue like black glass like the original z
i liked the blue like frame on the original z so chances are i'll like z2 aswell
but WHY would they touch the already perfect z1 design they only needed to add the thinner bezels speakers and screen and get rid of that plastic the design was perfect as it was
if they even dare putting XPERIA in big letters at the front on their next flagship then i won't even bother even trying to consider that it would entirely damage the phone beyond repair for me
the z1 was so perfect but i guess i can't expect them to mae a phone after my taste the omnibalance design was almost that
edit:it all makes sense now they only reduced the bezel at the bottom not the top
which means the top bezel is the same thickness as z1
it all makes sense now
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But that's a good thing. Same size device, but more screen real estate

zzcool said:
edit:it all makes sense now they only reduced the bezel at the bottom not the top
which means the top bezel is the same thickness as z1
it all makes sense now
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I read that the top bezel has to be that size to fit the camera module (camera module is too large to fit behind the LCD and keep the phone thin). So it makes sense that they can't shrink it. Good investigating!

Why are we even talking about this subject? If the bezel was bigger on one side..... who cares?
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shook187 said:
Why are we even talking about this subject? If the bezel was bigger on one side..... who cares?
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Because we are tech nerds obsessing over a phone. Come join the party if you want. :highfive:

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Why are we even talking about this subject? If the bezel was bigger on one side..... who cares?
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The OP? What is the purpose of your post? OP clearly said he's obsessed with this. I answered the poll out of memory but now I see it, it really is a tiny bit out of symmetry. I will possibly do my own analysis.
To you, OP. The edges still have the plastic, its just in perfect alignment with the metal so that the curvature is perfect. This was one of my favorite improvements in the phone design.
PS. I suggest meditation and relaxation techniques for your ocd.

Ugly and boring

I love the look of my G4 with the leather. It stands out among all the Galaxy and iPhones.
Now the G5 looks too much like those phones... and the non black chin on the front is ugly af.
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Also, I hate that they took the volume keys off the back. They worked great there in my opinion and made things like taking a screenshot one handed super easy.
Oh well, hopefully they either make the battery non-removable and/or not include an sd card option. That would effectively kill this phone as a choice for me.

I've had the g2, g3, and currently using the g4. If the g5 looks like the leaked photos above, I'll pass by it. No way would I be interested in that ugly mofo.

Currently, my dream phone would be:
- LG G3 size (G4 got just too big enough to require my hand to do a shuffle to reach the top opposite corner)
- LG G4 leather backplate options (with the NFC/Qi wireless sticker that's like $10 on ebay)
- LG G3 bezels (G4 got bigger bezels, WTF?)
- Stainless steel instead of plastic chrome on the edges
- LG V10 fingerprint scanner and volume rockers all on the back
- LG G4 camera quality
- USB-C for the rare occasion you want to transfer large files fast or charge it faster than Qi.
- Much more powerful IR blaster
- Swappable battery and microSD card, of course (like all previous LG G's)
- Stock Android (not likely, but hey dreamphone)

Only LG could make a superior metal phone look more like plastic than anyone else. The G3 looks more metallic than this thing.

Very sad design.

Really the back side doesn't bother me much since I will have a case. The only part that I don't like about the front is that big chin on the bottom (although the black version looks way better than this silver version.) I am curious though since that piece is removable if LG or a third party could make a replacement for it that would be more sleek and not so big. I think that would improve its look a lot.

Looks like a Nexus 6p,iPhone 6 plus design languange.
I cant believe how many OEMs are copying the boring design of the iphone.
HTC, Sony, LG , Huawei and even samsung.
Seriously, it isnt that good.Its bland and has nothing going for it
For proof, check the "latest" flagships of these OEMs And let me not even start with planned obsolecence of the removable battery...

shadowcore said:
Looks like a Nexus 6p,iPhone 6 plus design languange.
I cant believe how many OEMs are copying the boring design of the iphone.
HTC, Sony, LG , Huawei and even samsung.
Seriously, it isnt that good.Its bland and has nothing going for it
For proof, check the "latest" flagships of these OEMs And let me not even start with planned obsolecence of the removable battery...
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i don't see anything common in design with the iphone 6plus or nexus 6p
LG took the design from the nexus 5x

numpea said:
i don't see anything common in design with the iphone 6plus or nexus 6p
LG took the design from the nexus 5x
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"Visor", rounded shape similar to iphone 6 and jumpin g to the inferior material of aluminium, etc.

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"Visor", rounded shape similar to iphone 6 and jumpin g to the inferior material of aluminium, etc.
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Lol, why didn't you say iphone copied everything you just listed from HTC?

The camera bump thing reminds me of the Xiaomi Mi2S with a custom back cover that I have seen for it...

I really hope this is a prototype cause that is fugly as hell.

Why do you care so much what it looks like? So long as it does the job I would be happy. My main beef is no upgrade in internal storage from 32G. Yes i have a 128GB microSD card, but many apps dont let you transfer all to the card. needs 128GB internal to future proof it ( but that would mean no need to upgrade for a long time! not good marketing!) Dont like metal, too heavy and shocks the phone if dropped, more likely to crack the screen. If it keeps the FM radio, microSD expansion slot and removeable battery, which the others dont have all of, it will still be the stand out phone.

All will be revealed tomorrow I guess. Can't wait for the G6 though

Im using the G4, I love the curved display and the leather backcover, thats what i miss.

I got nothing but disappointment for this 5th iteration of the G series. Like several before said this phone is God awful ugly. There should at least be a black option. The colors are all too pastel. Perfect for some women...but nothing about the curves or design speaks to me. Not pleased about moving the volume rockers to the side. Lord only knows how much extra all those extra attachments will cost. I don't keep phones long enough to invest in cases and accessories anyway. I like my phones naked better. I love my V 10 maybe they won't muck that up too much! The next V just need the internals updated and that's all!!!

I think the design looks great. But end of the day, do we really care what a phone looks like? Id rather we went back to soft touch plastic than metal or glass. Most of us just put a plastic case over our phones anyways.
I left Android for 6 Plus after using it exclusively since 2010 or so. The G5 is the first Android phone that is compelling enough for me to consider switching back. The modular design to me is groundbreaking. I'm a big audio guy, so I'd definitely buy the DAC. Who knows what other cool accessories they'll make for it. LG deserves major praise for being the first brand to figure out how to design a metal unibody phone with a removable battery.

I felt this way. Then I kept watching hands on videos. Your mind will change. This phone looks very nice IN HAND

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I felt this way. Then I kept watching hands on videos. Your mind will change. This phone looks very nice IN HAND
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exactly what I thought but a nice dbrand skin on the back with a red circle around the fingerprint scanner and a red trim around the cams and it looks nice I will be going for the dark gray version(or whatever they call it) with a black carbon skin and red carbon trim so that it matches my audiotechnica m50x mkbhd skin and the interior of my car and even my desk that has red lights on the back the front looks almost exactly as my lg g3 only bigger forehead

Huge bezels, no app drawer, smaller battery, smaller screen but bigger phone, ugly mofo and again HUGE bezels!!!! Such a disappointment. Absolutely love my G3, it looks better than G5 and has bigger battery and bigger screen with tiny bezels and the phone is still smaller. After Samsung dropped SD card and removable battery I said id never go back to Samsung. But they have bought back SD card support and to be honest I've never once needed to replace the battery on any of my phones so I don't mind the non removable battery especially since s7 edge has a HUGE 3600 mAH. The S7 edge has a bigger screen but phone is smaller and this time it is properly waterproof ip68 with no flaps! and from early camera tests, it has the best camera. Really disappointed with LG so going back to Samsung this time round.