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Sticking with the Evo

I reserved an Epic 4G for pick up today from the Sprint Store but decided to play around with a demo before buying it. Good thing I did. As the title suggests, I ended up walking out of the store with my Evo still activated.
The Epic has some things going for it. The appearance of the screen is amazing, as every single review has said already. The keyboard feels pretty good but unless I'm composing a long e-mail or typing up a word document, I'd rather just use the soft keyboard for quick texts and brief e-mails. The GPU on the Epic is also much better than the Epic. I downloaded Quadrant and the 3D graphics tests were hitting 30-50 FPS range where the Evo would only get to 15-20 FPS. Also, the Epic has Gorilla Glass...enough said about that.
Now for the bad. The soft keys are a pain in the ass when they dim. You can't tell what you are pressing until you've already hit the wrong one. The camera is not that great. I took a picture of the inside of the store with both the Evo and Epic. Both cameras were set to their max resolutions with minimum image compression. On the Evo, I could zoom in on the snapped picture and make out the weave in the carpet. But on the Epic, all I could see were colorful blobs. You wouldn't think the screen size would matter much but this was also very noticeable when using the soft keyboard and tapping on links with the browser zoomed out. Much easier to do on the Evo. Quadrant also gave the Epic (2.1) 900 vs the Evo (2.2) 1400 score index. I wish I had a 2.1 Evo to compare scores but that was all I had. Subjectively, I liked the look and feel of the Evo more than the Epic. The Evo looks slick and feels dense like a piece of jewelry where as the Epic looks like, well, a plastic phone.
Everything else was a draw. If I did not already have the Evo, I'd have a much harder time deciding which one to walk out of the store with. However, since I already had the Evo, I felt it wasn't worth the hassle to switch phones for a questionably minor change.

Thanks for the run down.
I'm so eager to see what people think of the Epic.
I don't have very high expectations for it, I'm still smitten with my EVO

if you guys own an evo, I don't think there is enough benefit to outweigh the new price unless you need the latest and greatest cpu/gpu. But for someone coming in looking for a new phone, the Epic wins handsdown. I mean there is no real comparison here. I've been using my Vibrant for a month now and literally, every other screen I look at looks like crap. Including the evo. I've used my friends evo and it is laggy as well. But either way, a phone is a phone right?
This is without 2.2 lol. Once 2.2 hits you can expect 3000+ The pic below is not mine but mine hits 2250, every thing/program/etc runs instantly. This so called lag fix is nothing special. Other manufacturers uses it on their phones not sure why Sammy didn't include it from the factory. I don't think any other phone out there in the WOrld ever hit over 2000 lol.
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I am pretty sure Caulk has a screen shot of his hitting 3000+. Apparently it is not hard to mess with the scores and that the way it currently determines the scores is very flawed.

boodies said:
I've been using my Vibrant for a month now and literally, every other screen I look at looks like crap. Including the evo.
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I use my screen outside!

I just came back from a Sprint store expecting to be absolutely overwhelmed by the Epic screen. I was not. In fact, I was underwhelmed.
I honestly was expecting to be blown away. But I was not. In fact, I think the Evo display looks better! Why?
1. Color seemed to be oversatured
2. The screen is REALLY pixelated. I mean not just a little. More pixelated than an iPhone 3GS, I kid you not. I was shocked. I was expecting it to be really crisp since it's same resolution as the EVO on a screen that's physically smaller. But seriously, why hasn't anyone mentioned this? It's hard to spot pixels on the evo screen, that's absolutely not the case with the Epic. The Evo screen looks like a Retina display compared to the Epic. Go to a Sprint store if you haven't and see it for yourself. Again, i am EXTREMELY surprised no one has mentioned it, even in reviews.
3. White is not white, it's blue.
Everything else was really nice. But I was seriously underwhelmed with the screen.

I went in to look at since still under 30 days. Kept my evo. Screen is really nice but damn that .3 inch is a killer. Also didn't like the bottom buttons. Nice keyboard. Had a tp2 which I loved the keyboard. But I always went back to the screen on it. It looked like the settings for contrast was all the way up. I'm sticking to my evo. Wasn't impressed with the epic. Just the screen. For what I do or what phones are capable to do right now with apps the evo is fine.
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zeuzinn said:
I just came back from a Sprint store expecting to be absolutely overwhelmed by the Epic screen. I was not. In fact, I was underwhelmed.
I honestly was expecting to be blown away. But I was not. In fact, I think the Evo display looks better! Why?...
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After looking at your history of cell phones, I have no choice but to believe you.

lol, nothing but denials. that's just human nature.

I reserved an epic but bought an evo last friday.the evo is smaller edge to edge but has a larger screen.there may be problems with the epic gps and many more roms are currently available for the evo.

boodies said:
lol, nothing but denials. that's just human nature.
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huh? this makes no sense. People that have the ability to trade in their current phones for the new phone are not doing so because they don't like it.
I don't even have a choice, but I wouldn't get it because of its smaller screen and physical keyboard. I do wish the Evo had a better CPU/GPU combo though.

They say the grass is always greener on the other side of the septic tank.
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boodies said:
lol, nothing but denials. that's just human nature.
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Dude, trust me. If the Epic was better, I would have gotten it. I can change phones like I change clothes. Also, your post has irony written all over it lmao.

I'll have to stroll into a radioshack some time soon to check it out. I've had my Evo for 5 days so I still have time to switch. I've been enjoying my Evo so far though so it'll be hard for Samsung to win me over.

sintricate said:
I'll have to stroll into a radioshack some time soon to check it out. I've had my Evo for 5 days so I still have time to switch. I've been enjoying my Evo so far though so it'll be hard for Samsung to win me over.
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After you do can you please also confirm that the screen is Pixelated as hell? My brother has an iPhone 4 and kept rubbing in how he couldn't see pixels on the Retina display, until I showed my EVO and he couldn't either. lol.
The Epic's screen is so pixelated it actually makes it a deal breaker to me. I am just stunned no one else has mentioned it, it's just so glaring to me.
P.s.: I don't think radioshack stores have working models on display. Just dummies.

zeuzinn said:
After you do can you please also confirm that the screen is Pixelated as hell? My brother has an iPhone 4 and kept rubbing in how he couldn't see pixels on the Retina display, until I showed my EVO and he couldn't either. lol.
The Epic's screen is so pixelated it actually makes it a deal breaker to me. I am just stunned no one else has mentioned it, it's just so glaring to me.
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You might just be right. I saw a Tmobile Vibrant on demo at RadioShack last week and it was playing a movie and it looked really pixelated. I wasn't sure if it was just the movie or what since it was stuck on some kind of demo mode. I'll report back as soon as I'm able to play around with an Epic.

zeuzinn said:
After you do can you please also confirm that the screen is Pixelated as hell? My brother has an iPhone 4 and kept rubbing in how he couldn't see pixels on the Retina display, until I showed my EVO and he couldn't either. lol.
The Epic's screen is so pixelated it actually makes it a deal breaker to me. I am just stunned no one else has mentioned it, it's just so glaring to me.
P.s.: I don't think radioshack stores have working models on display. Just dummies.
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I can confirm this. I was eligible to get it today over my evo but I didn't..
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im getting flashbacks
this is a Hero VS Samsung Moment decision all over again. From the Hero's light leakage to the moments blue hue and a-moled screen. Even then the Samsung moment had a better processor. I chose the Samsung moment because of the build quality and regretted the decision. I can assume the Epic wont be treated like a bastard step child. I think more people were happy with the Hero than the Samsung moment. Part of that , i recognize is the fact that Samsung never advertised the Moment. I am going out on a limb and predict that this phone is too large (thickness) for mass appeal. Regardless of how you paint it and how many specs you can throw out, it is not as sexy as that "idevice". I hope i made the right choice purchasing the EVO no more bulging pockets!

Any evo owner anticipating the t-mo g2 though?

joackie27 said:
Any evo owner anticipating the t-mo g2 though?
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"Given the rumored 1GHz processor, 3.7-inch display, and 5-megapixel camera, the G2 will have hardware that puts it in the same pack as the Motorola Droid 2 and Samsung Epic 4G."
Article Link: http://www.cnet.com/8301-19736_1-20015229-251.html
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I'm assuming any current Evo owners that dislike the Vibrant/Epic would also dislike the G2, the G2 and Vibrant/Epic seem to be in the same class.
The only two things I would want from the Vibrant/Epic is its CPU/GPU combo and 16GB on-board NAND, everything else is a con to me, compared to the Evo.

An Evo user's thoughts on the Epic...

My immediate first impression: It looks better in person that it does in pictures online. I thought it looked pretty bland when I first saw it online, but in person, it's not bad. It definitely looks better than the Samsung Captivate on AT&T, but I still think that the Vibrant looks the best. Once I picked it up, I was surprised by how light it was. Initially, I was disappointed; I thought for a split-second that it was a dummy model that I was holding. It was noticeably lighter than the Evo. I couldn't, however, decide if this was good or bad. The lack of heft puts the Epic 4G dangerously close to being perceived as "cheap and plastic-y". The phone (as well as the other Galaxy S phones) just didn't feel that solid to me. Especially compared to phones that have some noticeable heft to them, like the Evo and Nexus One. I feel that if it were dropped from waist-high, it would shatter into a million pieces or something.
The lack of heft aside, the phone feels really good in the hand. It's rounded corners fell better than the Evo. But because of the keyboard, the phone is pretty thick. I noticed that trying to use the phone with one hand can be difficult sometimes (and I have fairly large hands), especially when trying to reach things at the top of the screen (like the notification bar).
The screen: I have mixed feelings about Samsung's Super AMOLED screen. When I turned on the screen for the first time, one word popped in my head: OVERRATED (the same word that came to me when seeing the iPhone 4's "retina display" for the first time). I honestly don't see the hype. Yes, if you're looking at a picture / movie, the colors look amazing. But looking at text, on the other hand, is a different story. The main problem that I had with the SAMOLED screen is the "screen door effect". You can see the individual pixels! What's worse, you can see them without even looking hard. They are just there, in your face. I have perfect vision, and I have to put my Evo pretty close to my face in order to make out individual pixels. On the Epic, you can see them everywhere. It's really bad when looking at text on a white background (like on almost every website). You can see the white lines in-between the black of the letters. It's like looking at a mini chess board. Here's a picture so you can get an idea for yourself:
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I would rather take a regular AMOLED, TFT LCD, or Retina display any day of SAMOLED
Ahhh, the keyboard. This is the ONLY reason I even considered swapping the Evo for an Epic. In short: it's really good. It's one of the best landscape keyboards I've ever used. The keys are really clicky, and are a nice size. My only complaint is that I wish they were domed more. Because they are flat, my fingers tended to slide over to adjacent keys. I'm sure with time I would be really fast & accurate on it. The only landscape keyboard that's better than this one is the one on the Touch Pro 2. That this is amazing.
I'm not gonna talk too much about the software, since we all know what Android is about. What I will say is that TouchWiz isn't that bad. It's actually better than the skin Motorola has put on the Droid2 and DroidX. It's not as good as Sense UI, but it's definitely better than stock Android. Overall, everything I did on the phone was super fast. Scrolling was smooth, and it didn't lag at all. No complaints.
Minor annoyances: -There is a dedicated smiley button on the keyboard… wtf. It would be much more useful it they put the @ symbol there, instead of it. -For some reason, Samsung likes putting the lock/power button on the right side of the phone. Not a big deal on the other Galaxy S phones, but every time I would lock/unlock the phone, the keyboard would move/open a little.
Final thoughts: It's a really good phone. If I had the choice today to either get a free Epic or a free Evo, I'm about 65% sure I'd take the Evo. If I was a new Sprint customer, there is almost no way to justify taking this phone over the Evo, especially seeing as how it's $50 more… Unless, of course, you abso-freakin-lutely need a physical keyboard.

I echo the same thoughts as you and still have my evo, i will try the epic out for 30 days and see if it grows on me but I have slight evo withdrawals. The physical keyboard is nice, I feel like I would miss having that option.
The screen is growing on me, I really love how readable it is in the sun and the colors and contrast are really great.
Another thing you left out is how incredibly fast this phone is. Even at 2.1 without CM6 it blows the EVO out of the water in every way, there is virtually no lag and you don't see the typical tearing or jitterness you get on the EVO. I can't even imagine how smooth it will be when 2.2 is on here...
The one thing that will determine whether I keep it is if the development community will be as good as the EVO. The EVO dev community from the start was bursting with life but the epic dev community seems rather flat and slow so far.
Another concern is Samsungs commitment to keeping the phones up to date and bug free. Something I don't have too much faith in as I saw how they pretty much ignored Samsung Moment customers.

Nice review.
I also own both an EVO and the Epic. My decision to switch was based on the keyboard and the processor speed. Both lived up to my expectations. The speed actually exceeded my expectations, whereas the keyboard isn't as good for games as I thought it would be. Wish it had a more game-like dpad. I think EVERYONE is pissed off about the decision to have a dedicated smiley button.
I'm actually very impressed with the screen. Unfortunately if you look closely you can see the pixels... but only when it's still. I honestly think it's mind bogglingly good when playing games or watching movies. The size of the EVO's screen is definitely a plus. So big. But I can see my Epic SO MUCH BETTER in direct sunlight. Even with auto-brightness on. With my EVO, I had to manually crank it up to 100% to get even a slight idea what I was looking at.
I actually found it to be so much faster than the EVO (even with 2.2). Games feel soo much smoother. Especially 3D games. And I am a huge gamer. Also, surprisingly, TW isn't all that bad (as you said). I actually plan on keeping it for a while. On my EVO I ran launcher pro, but sense is nice too. The EVO has the edge in widgets. No manufacturer's UI has anything close to the same quality widgets that sense has.
I actually don't mind the weight of this phone. I know the EVO feels heavy and sturdy, but the reason the SGS phones are so light is because of their screen technology. Both phones have the same soft-touch back.
All in all, I'm really glad I made the switch. I'm having a lot of fun with the Epic. The only thing I miss from my EVO is the GPS... but we're getting a fix for this this month.
Oh and one more thing. Stock battery life on my Epic KILLS what I experienced on my EVO. I'll post some battery life results later. I almost think my phone is a fluke.
I'd definitely recommend this phone to a new Sprint customer. But that's just my vote. I'm sure other EVO users will chime in.

I feel the same to going to test it a little more for the next 2 weeks I am having 3g probelms for some reason a lot slower then my evo and the wifi shuts on and off but the screen is nice keyboard is awasome and is really fast but evo will make a come back
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ttieder said:
I feel the same to going to test it a little more for the next 2 weeks I am having 3g probelms for some reason a lot slower then my evo and the wifi shuts on and off but the screen is nice keyboard is awasome and is really fast but evo will make a come back
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Which phone did you end up sticking with?

I too own both, feel like I miss stuff from the EVO, but I am giving the Epic more time to grow. love the screen and +1 for the camera, the Evo has failed me so many times with the camera. Some goods and some bads. if it had tilt/kickstand that would be sweet.

bomix said:
I too own both, feel like I miss stuff from the EVO, but I am giving the Epic more time to grow. love the screen and +1 for the camera, the Evo has failed me so many times with the camera. Some goods and some bads. if it had tilt/kickstand that would be sweet.
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If you get the dock, it will work as a kickstand (its tilted just right). Unfortunately the dock isnt as portable and the headphone hack on the back wont work until the Epic gets 2.2 apparently.
What else do you miss from the EVO? Aside from the large screen? I also have an EVO and it just sits around. I never have any desire to pick it up... but I also refuse to sell it.

bjb_nyj101 said:
I would rather take a regular AMOLED, TFT LCD, or Retina display any day of SAMOLED
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Ahm..both AMOLED and Super-AMOLED are pen-tile...aka what you showed in the picture above is for both...
Though there are many reasons to justify an Epic over an EVO..keyboard and screen are not the only reason that make the Epic shine...

gTen said:
Ahm..both AMOLED and Super-AMOLED are pen-tile...aka what you showed in the picture above is for both...
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He makes a good point. The difference with super amoled is that the touch sensor is integrated into the screen, making the overall display MUCH thinner and lighter. It's still AMOLED. Bright and brilliant. I absolutely love it.

i dont know man.. that picture in the first post doesnt look like my epic.. ( I know its a vibrant, i meant the screen) I even put it on the same contacts screen and i dont notice the pixels like i see them in that picture.. and i have 20/20 vision myself. This screen is amazing to me. especially coming from a touch pro 2. and my buddy has the evo.. His screen looks a little washed out next to mine. But it still looks good though dont get me wrong. I love the size of the evos screen and the kickstand is great too. I just needed the keyboard and processor speed which is why i ended up waiting for the epic to come out.. either way both phones are the best you can get on the market right now

heres a close up of how mine looks. i tried to use a similar screen.. this is with a 10mp camera in macro mode so its pretty close up.. the screen wasnt on full brightness. i can see the pixels in this picture because its so close but i cant get close enough with my eyes to even notice it

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i dont know man.. that picture in the first post doesnt look like my epic.. ( I know its a vibrant, i meant the screen) I even put it on the same contacts screen and i dont notice the pixels like i see them in that picture.. and i have 20/20 vision myself. This screen is amazing to me. especially coming from a touch pro 2. and my buddy has the evo.. His screen looks a little washed out next to mine. But it still looks good though dont get me wrong. I love the size of the evos screen and the kickstand is great too. I just needed the keyboard and processor speed which is why i ended up waiting for the epic to come out.. either way both phones are the best you can get on the market right now
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Considering the monitor size..the left picture is what you see..the right picture if what you would see with a magnifying glass...its not really a fair representation.
What he is seeing is not exactly individual pixels..more like jaggedness..this jaggedness is seen on some small fonts and on straight lines..mostly white lines..but even when text is jagged it is still perfectly readable..it kinda looks a little italic or sharpened lol...on things like bold font or zoomed in text its fairly un-noticable.

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i dont know man.. that picture in the first post doesnt look like my epic.. ( I know its a vibrant, i meant the screen) I even put it on the same contacts screen and i dont notice the pixels like i see them in that picture.. and i have 20/20 vision myself. This screen is amazing to me. especially coming from a touch pro 2. and my buddy has the evo.. His screen looks a little washed out next to mine. But it still looks good though dont get me wrong. I love the size of the evos screen and the kickstand is great too. I just needed the keyboard and processor speed which is why i ended up waiting for the epic to come out.. either way both phones are the best you can get on the market right now
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The evo's screen (and the Iphone's) look very washed out next to one another. Compare title screens for Angry Birds.

Disappointed with washed out screen

I received my Shift today only to find out it has a crappy washed out screen. I've had some experiences with bad displays on the Mytouch 4G as indicated in this thread so I decided to visit a few Sprint stores and kiosks to check out their displays. They all exhibited washed out screens when viewed from an angle. All the reps I talked to are unaware of a display issue or didn't even notice problem until I pointed it out.
I also noticed that all the EVOs I looked at had a similar problem. I decided to check out a Verizon kiosk and looked at the Droid Incredible, Droid 2, and Droid X - which I believe are all LCD panels - and they all had good to great viewing angles.
I'm wondering if it is an issue similar to the MT4G where HTC was using 2 different panel types. If this is the intended quality of the screen I'm pretty disappointed. Fortunately this phone isn't for me and my girlfriend doesn't mind it. As bad as Samsung is I enjoy the SAMOLED screen on my Vibrant. I think I will pass up on the EVO and the Shift and wait to see what Sprint debuts in the next few months.

I think you have a bit of an unreasonable expectation there. Its a phone. You're supposed to look directly a it.

funny my screen is vibrant and crystal clear. return the thing if it isnt right and quit yer *****ing

Damn what's up with all the hostility?
Can you post some pictures similar to the one in the MT4G thread for comparison? A return is definitely warranted if the screen quality is abnormal.

silow said:
Damn what's up with all the hostility?
Can you post some pictures similar to the one in the MT4G thread for comparison? A return is definitely warranted if the screen quality is abnormal.
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Well part of the hostility is that a lot of posts are started here basically just to ***** about something and what not. And people get tired of it.
Also something like this is very subjective because a lot of people wouldn't expect a device like this to be viewable from 120 degrees, because why would you want to view it like that.
If you don't like the display then thats fine, just don't buy the phone and then start to ***** about it.
Personally, I haven't noticed any viewing angle problems, but I'm usually viewing it from the intended viewing angle. (or pretty close).
I do notice some washing out at 120 degree or greater, but I can barely read whats on the screen, so it really doesn't matter.
Perhaps the Epic 4g is the phone for you if you just want to be able to view your phone while laying in bed next to it... (i kid i kid) but seriously perhaps the Epic (Galaxy S line) is the way for you to go.

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I received my Shift today only to find out it has a crappy washed out screen. I've had some experiences with bad displays on the Mytouch 4G as indicated in this thread so I decided to visit a few Sprint stores and kiosks to check out their displays. They all exhibited washed out screens when viewed from an angle. All the reps I talked to are unaware of a display issue or didn't even notice problem until I pointed it out.
I also noticed that all the EVOs I looked at had a similar problem. I decided to check out a Verizon kiosk and looked at the Droid Incredible, Droid 2, and Droid X - which I believe are all LCD panels - and they all had good to great viewing angles.
I'm wondering if it is an issue similar to the MT4G where HTC was using 2 different panel types. If this is the intended quality of the screen I'm pretty disappointed. Fortunately this phone isn't for me and my girlfriend doesn't mind it. As bad as Samsung is I enjoy the SAMOLED screen on my Vibrant. I think I will pass up on the EVO and the Shift and wait to see what Sprint debuts in the next few months.
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*looks around to see who cares* I don't understand the point of this thread. You're complaining about a imaginary problem on a phone you're not even going to use, yet your girlfriend doesn't mind this supposed issue? Most people view the display right smack dab in front of them. Its not a tv, you're not going to be ten feet away from the device trying to use it are you?
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I don't notice any unreasonable amount of washing out (or any at all really) at ANY angle. I imagine if you're standing in sunlight it will, but inside my work, I can pretty much view it at angles up to 180 degrees. Can I read the icons? Of course not, but the screen isn't "washed out" at that angle either.

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I don't notice any unreasonable amount of washing out (or any at all really) at ANY angle. I imagine if you're standing in sunlight it will, but inside my work, I can pretty much view it at angles up to 180 degrees. Can I read the icons? Of course not, but the screen isn't "washed out" at that angle either.
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Can you post a shot similar to this one?
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riggsandroid said:
Well part of the hostility is that a lot of posts are started here basically just to ***** about something and what not. And people get tired of it.
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Don't like it? Don't read it. Problem solved.

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Don't like it? Don't read it. Problem solved.
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well many of us read the posts because we genuinely want to help somebody if theyre having a legit problem so "dont like it dont read it" doesnt exactly work in a forum like this....i agree the hostility should def come down a level but I also agree this is basically a non-issue, at least for 95% of people out there who dont need to look at their phone from any sort of angle....but to be fair to the 5% left it is a legit concern so def no need for any hostility at all really.....

AnalogXDA said:
Don't like it? Don't read it. Problem solved.
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I just don't know what this guy is expecting? He asked why the hostitlity and I told him why.
I didn't think my post was "hostile" in any way, but whatever.
Hope you're able to track down hardware you are happy with OP.

My phone looks perfect from whatever angle I view it at. Meh.

Think the hostility comment was directed at me. The way I see it he has choices. Keep it and complain or take it back and have sprint fix or replace it or dump it on his gf which is what he did.
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foxsdaddy67 said:
Think the hostility comment was directed at me. The way I see it he has choices. Keep it and complain or take it back and have sprint fix or replace it or dump it on his gf which is what he did.
sent from my evo shift
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Lmao.
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anthonyf27 said:
My phone looks perfect from whatever angle I view it at. Meh.
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Can you post a picture similar to this (including the HTC clock widget)? I'd like to compare to see if my phone is in fact defective.

I can't post a picture, but my unit looks just like the picture you've posted.
I agree that viewing angles aren't that big a deal on a cell phone. The device is really meant to be looked at directly and from a close range. Hell, this could even be a privacy feature! With this kind of screen, the guy next to you on the bus can't read your emails!
BS aside, I think this is a non-issue for the vast majority of people. If it's a big deal to you, return it. Get a Sammy phone. It's your money. You should get what makes you happy.
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so the "washing out" you're talking about is mainly on white areas on the screen? Mine does that at angles over about 75 degrees, but that's to be expected with most (if not all) LCD panels so it's certainly not unreasonable or even noticeable to me.
Why are you trying to view it at that kind of an angle anyway?
I will mention that I can still read what's on your screen at that angle, even if the colors aren't accurate to what they are viewing straight. Heck, I can read text messages on my phone at nearly 90 degrees. They're obviously off color, but the text shows up just fine.

tatonka_hero said:
so the "washing out" you're talking about is mainly on white areas on the screen? Mine does that at angles over about 75 degrees, but that's to be expected with most (if not all) LCD panels so it's certainly not unreasonable or even noticeable to me.
Why are you trying to view it at that kind of an angle anyway?
I will mention that I can still read what's on your screen at that angle, even if the colors aren't accurate to what they are viewing straight. Heck, I can read text messages on my phone at nearly 90 degrees. They're obviously off color, but the text shows up just fine.
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It doesn't only affect the white areas on the screen, i.e. the numbers in the clock are supposed to be black. Check out the Mytouch 4G thread I linked in my original post, it shows side-by-side comparisons of 2 different panel types on the MT4G - one exhibiting this washed out effect. It's been speculated by developers whom sifted through source code that the "bad" panel is a Sharp panel and the "good" panel is Sony. I'm not savvy on LCD panels so I don't know if this is an inherit trait of LCD technology. I do know that I've seen devices such as the Droid Incredible (LCD version), MT4G with a good panel, and others that do not have this problem. The high quality IPS panels on the iPhones don't exhibit this either.
It's not that I use the phone at these angles. This is just the best way to show the washing out effects.

compared to my htc aria my shift's screen is washed out, the darks arent as dark, the colors aren't as vibrant.
I have friends with regular EVOs (launch day evo's not current) and the screen on those screens are horribly washed out. The evos at the sprint store are much better..
I don't think the shift's screen is at all bad, but there is room for improvement.

Think the mods need to change the name of this thread to
GUIDE: how NOT to view an LCD screen lol
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HTC One Design. Lagging in Innovation?

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The HTC One front looks strikingly similar to the BB10 and the back to the Xperia P?
Frankly, the One X has the superior design.
I saw this image in fb. I didnt create it. Don't execute me.

lee480 said:
The HTC One front looks strikingly similar to the BB10 and the back to the Xperia P?
Frankly, the One X has the superior design.
I saw this image in fb. I didnt create it. Don't execute me.
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:good: :good: :good::good: :good:

Well, they look similar. But, I won't crucify them. Something will always be similar to other products in past. You can make a invisible, hexagonal, holographic phone!
What I am more worried about is their product placement and marketing strategies. Their marketing and promotion created same type of feeling like it did 1 year back when HOX was launched. I find their strategies bit confusing to be honest.
An example -- they are trying to differentiate in terms of their camera, pixel-size etc., This is a good idea. But how's that going to translate for common folk is something totally different. They are making things more complicated with all ultrapixel, zoe, and many more marketing terms. You can generate sales by confusing customers.
I am bit confused by their marketing strategies. Good product. How it translates to sales is a totally different matter. This was the same scenario in 2012. HOX was a good product, but literally sold nothing.
One thing I can definitely tell you is that Samsung will launch a marketing blitz from middle of March. If HTC wants to avoid a 2012, they should be smart in their approach.

I think the front of both the HTC One and the BB10 look like the Droid X.
I don't fault them though, I loved that phone.

lee480 said:
The HTC One front looks strikingly similar to the BB10 and the back to the Xperia P?
Frankly, the One X has the superior design.
I saw this image in fb. I didnt create it. Don't execute me.
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I can see the difference
In second picture comparison, the Xperia p has rectangle shape with sharp corners.
HTC ONE have rectangle shape with rounded corners.
Definitely its innovation
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And it still looks better than both.
I honestly don't care as long as it looks good in my eyes and it is hackable. Why are you guys even debating this?

Meh, with my joys with my one xl. I think I'll be passing this one up.

Really? So companies can't take inspiration from other devices? Its clear they didn't copy the design 100%, but inspired maybe. People criticize Apple for suing companies that they say they "copied their designs" and here people are criticizing HTC. Its a great looking phone, who cares if they were inspired by others. Everything is essentially based on something that preceded it.

You guys are smoking crack. That's a beautiful phone
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Being aluminium, I wonder what colour will show once it's scratched, on the silver,black and red (is silver the natural aluminium colour?)

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Being aluminium, I wonder what colour will show once it's scratched, on the silver,black and red (is silver the natural aluminium colour?)
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Silver is the natural color for aluminum
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I agree the Blackberry and the HTC look similar and both sport a bezel that looks unnecessarily large to me.

OP must hate GM then lol
But for me I am on my 3rd year of Galaxy phones and I must say HTC has me looking to switch!!
There may be one thing missing though... gorilla glass? I know a lot of people say blaaa but it has saved my arse more than once. It may be there but I have yet to see anything about it.
Loving...
the case/design
camera! finally someone gets Mp aren't everything expect in the SLR world!
speakers... I absolutely HATE having to cup my hand behind my phone just hear a frign youtube video!!!
Curious...
3 years of Galaxy means 3 years of OLED... LCD?? I'll have to see it..
battery/CPU so they increased the CPU but the chip is supposed to consume less but at this time there is no talk/standby yet... makes me wonder if it's true...
dislikes...
HTC is notorious for locking phones up.
Colors again.. or lack of... Why does Nokia get it but no-one else does...
the back... if this thing going to rock back and forth when I lay it down? Also is the middle going to gather the most scratches?
LCD... Again they may be improved a bit, but there is no denying the color depth of OLED.
beat audio logo/logo's period!!! ONE in huge letters on the back... WTF!
HTC is bad at updating phones, but this can sometimes be countered in cyan....
Over all I am loving the looks and the speed. I really think a switch is coming

It's not just me. Just read the sentiments online. A lot have the same impression. Though I would not be surprised if the people here could not see. It's a HTC section of XDA after all.
I don't hate HTC. Is just that the design is too similar.
Admittance is the first step to recovery. Maybe HTC can reflect why it's bleeding market to Sony? For your info, Sony sold more phones than HTC in the previous quarter.

Reddragon, it has gorilla glass 2.
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What we're buying isn't clothes... Innovations have to be under the hood for me! It's still a cell phone... How much innovations do you need or can they make? There's a 13mp camera, a flash, a sim card slot... Screen, volume rocker etc.... If all you're looking for is looks, then you shouldn't buy this phone... It's clearly too expensive for your needs... The S6 processor, 2gb of ram and everything it has to offer don't show in the design.... Personally, I'll buy this device for sure... It's a piece of innovation... Under the hood!
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lee480 said:
It's not just me. Just read the sentiments online. A lot have the same impression. Though I would not be surprised if the people here could not see. It's a HTC section of XDA after all.
I don't hate HTC. Is just that the design is too similar.
Admittance is the first step to recovery. Maybe HTC can reflect why it's bleeding market to Sony? For your info, Sony sold more phones than HTC in the previous quarter.
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Ford sold more cars than Porsche, Lamborghini and Ferrari together... And still, Ford isn't better...

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this colour
Apparently just like the iPhone 5 this phone will scratch like hell. Especially with the chamfered edges and aluminium body. Not keen on this

The Sony comparison is ridiculous.
The rear looks just like the rear to the One X, except with tiny plastic bands that the device HAS to have for the radios. The innovation here is that those bands are tiny and are inset gaplessly, giving the entire phone a seamless, single-piece feel. This hasn't been done before, ever, to my knowledge.
Edit for the above tho, I have to wonder why they didn't go for the micro-arc oxidisation root (like the One S) instead of anodising... Frankly, the shiny edge looks kind of tacky.

catachresistant said:
The Sony comparison is ridiculous.
The rear looks just like the rear to the One X, except with tiny plastic bands that the device HAS to have for the radios. The innovation here is that those bands are tiny and are inset gaplessly, giving the entire phone a seamless, single-piece feel. This hasn't been done before, ever, to my knowledge.
Edit for the above tho, I have to wonder why they didn't go for the micro-arc oxidisation root (like the One S) instead of anodising... Frankly, the shiny edge looks kind of tacky.
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I believe that they've learned that the MAO process isn't that durable when used in phones.. yes it's indeed a smart innovation and it makes the One S really sexy, but durability-wise, no.
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Official Nexus 6 User Impressions Thread

Ok, so I am in the camp of those waiting to see the magical unicorn. However, I am growing tired of following the evergrowing "where is my shipment" thread.... There have to be some of you out there with the phone, and searching for each individual thread seems strange. Can we start a full on user impressions thread so that we can get an idea of what to expect on the incredible day that we actually receive our units?

I really like mine, I picked it up today at T-Mobile to use on Verizon. Now, I still may end up going back to T-Mobile because I like the fact that I can have Voice + Data on it and higher voice quality... However, about the device...
Coming from iPhone 6 and then iPhone 6 Plus I was impressed by 5.0. Android finally feels very polished and better designed than iOS8. I actually now see iOS8 as being pretty basic when few months ago it was like a breath of fresh air. The device itself feels great, build quality is good and is more so on a lighter side.
Display is much nicer than what I expected after reading reviews. I actually prefer it to iPhone 6 display as colors pop out a bit more and higher resolution and bigger display really stands out while watching videos. Adaptive brightness is great, I finally do not feel as if my android is too dim on auto brightness. Ambient display is awesome, I like seeing notifications as they come without the need to really waste battery the way it was on iPhone.
Speakers are loud enough, much better than most other phones. I would still give an edge to iPhone 6 for its base, but overall, I love the dual stereo on it. Also, placement is nice, I do not constantly feel as if I am covering the speaker while playing games or holding my phone in landscape.
Camera seems much better than N5 and N4 were... those weren't too good. It took good pics so far, I haven't tested enough to tell you if it is amazing though.

Somewhat disappointed by the back material. Feels cheap compared to the nexus 5 black soft touch. Other than that the screen is great and so is the camera . low light shots are excellent.
Call quality is excellent... Used a hangouts call and it was awesome as well. Latency is lower than with the n5.
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I just picked mine up today. 32GB midnight blue from Sprint. I ordered it Saturday and they said it was on back order and would take 1 to 3 weeks. I went in there today just to see if it had shipped yet and as soon as I walked in the Sprint gal went to the back and brought it out. I wasn't expecting that!
The back of the phone really is a fingerprint magnet! Haha
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Camera samples below.
Nexus 5 with the slim armor spigen. That case has been through it, but is still standing strong. Has protected my N5 extremely well. 
I've only had this device in hand for about 4 hours but overall I am loving it. The way it feels in the hand is comfortable, the over structure feels durable. Overall it runs smooth and fast. Haven't had it long so I can't really give my overall opinion on it. I'm not disappointed at all. Loving this device so far. No complaints my way!

First battery stats from today.

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First battery stats from today.
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Nice! Look forward to it getting better over time

There are things I like and dislike about this phone. Yes, it's big, but the sheer width of the phone is what makes it cumbersome and slippery at times. The camera is solid which is something I can't say about any other Nexus phone.
Things I like:
Build quality is solid. Feels dense in the way HTC phones feel.
Speakers are wonderful.
That eggshell white color is downright sexy.
Minor nitpicks:
Lollipop isn't as fast as it was on my OnePlus (development build). Not sure if this has something to do with encryption overhead or the fact it's pushing a lot more pixels. The 2 plastic speakers are huge dust magnets.

Is the White version also a fingerprint magnet?

pedxing said:
Somewhat disappointed by the back material. Feels cheap compared to the nexus 5 black soft touch. Other than that the screen is great and so is the camera . low light shots are excellent.
Call quality is excellent... Used a hangouts call and it was awesome as well. Latency is lower than with the n5.
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how does it feel "cheap" compared to the nexus 5's? The only difference i can tell is that the Nexus 5's is more of a rubberized soft-touch feeling, whereas the Nexus 6 is more like a soft-touch/matte plastic. Yes, the rubberized back FEELS better.... but one doesn't really feel any cheaper than the other to me. Besides.... with how much of a fingerprint magnet the back of this phone is, i can't imagine me using this for long without a case. Just have to wait for my Cruzerlite case to come on Saturday (or sooner).

elementaldragon said:
how does it feel "cheap" compared to the nexus 5's? The only difference i can tell is that the Nexus 5's is more of a rubberized soft-touch feeling, whereas the Nexus 6 is more like a soft-touch/matte plastic. Yes, the rubberized back FEELS better.... but one doesn't really feel any cheaper than the other to me. Besides.... with how much of a fingerprint magnet the back of this phone is, i can't imagine me using this for long without a case. Just have to wait for my Cruzerlite case to come on Saturday (or sooner).
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To me the soft touch feels well engineered...they put thought into it. The regular plastic back feels like no thought went into it at all. It feels the same as a plastic soda bottle. Thus cheap because thoughts are expensive.
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air2k57 said:
I really like mine, I picked it up today at T-Mobile to use on Verizon. Now, I still may end up going back to T-Mobile because I like the fact that I can have Voice + Data on it and higher voice quality... However, about the device...
Coming from iPhone 6 and then iPhone 6 Plus I was impressed by 5.0. Android finally feels very polished and better designed than iOS8. I actually now see iOS8 as being pretty basic when few months ago it was like a breath of fresh air. The device itself feels great, build quality is good and is more so on a lighter side.
Display is much nicer than what I expected after reading reviews. I actually prefer it to iPhone 6 display as colors pop out a bit more and higher resolution and bigger display really stands out while watching videos. Adaptive brightness is great, I finally do not feel as if my android is too dim on auto brightness. Ambient display is awesome, I like seeing notifications as they come without the need to really waste battery the way it was on iPhone.
Speakers are loud enough, much better than most other phones. I would still give an edge to iPhone 6 for its base, but overall, I love the dual stereo on it. Also, placement is nice, I do not constantly feel as if I am covering the speaker while playing games or holding my phone in landscape.
Camera seems much better than N5 and N4 were... those weren't too good. It took good pics so far, I haven't tested enough to tell you if it is amazing though.
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Hey, could you please share the framework files from your N6 system with me? Thx

Got mine a couple of days ago. It is the most premium feeling nexus yet. I love the mixture of metal and plastic. However it is a little slippery. I normally put a case on my phones but I'm going to be really picky about what I get for this one considering the extra size. After de encrypting the phone it's finally just as fast/ faster than my nexus 5. Still testing battery but so far seems better since it's bigger.

Been using mine for two days now, coming from my Oneplus One.
This phone feels faster in some ways, slower in others. I'm guessing software and apps need better calibration.
Ugh, the screen color seems yellow, but slightly tilted to the side seems much better. OPO had better whites.
Battery in the 6 is horrible compared to OPO, yes I know the dpi...
Camera is awesome
Design is much better than OPO (subjective)
Sound is majestic omg
I couldn't get the hidden led notification to work
Fyi, im rooted and unencrypted
Edit: on the issue of it being slippery I find the opposite to be true. With moist hands after workouts or sweaty hands, the phone sticks to your hand. Maybe with dry hands its slipperier(sp)

got my nexus 6 a few days ago. really enjoying it. it is quite literally the device i've been waiting for, in every way.
what i like:
- the display is bar none. the g3 also has a 2k display but it's not as beautiful, imo (and yes, i owned one). this screen quality/clarity is a jaw-dropper
- battery life is good. for 3220mah its not stellar (5-6 hours SOT) but for the amount of pixels its pushing, its just fine. having had nexus 5 and it's sorry battery life, its nice to have this 6 and know that you'll have enough juice for the day.
- of course lollipop is great. to me, it includes so much more thought and features than kitkat did. when i received my nexus 5 last year, i was immediately rooting and looking for custom roms. KK was so bare bones. beautiful and fluid, but without almost any features it seemed. with lollipop, i dont feel the same. i will of course eventually root and begin trying out custom roms, looking at their optimizations and offerings but in the meantime, stock L is just fine.
- multimedia playback is excellent on this 6" 2k display with dual front facing speakers. seriously.
- i cant hate 6 months of free google play music all access.
- this phone is absolutely everything i want in a device. couldn't be happier.
what i dont like:
- although the phone is absolutely beautiful, it is entirely too slippery, imo. with its size and weight, you WILL drop this phone at some point. i highly recommend a case. as a matter of fact i have mine in one now. i'm using a matte black tpu from Diztronic. once Clay ( @OneStepAhead ) has them back in stock on the website, i highly recommend getting one. i cannot say any more how awesome this phone and case combo is. http://www.tpu-cases.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=44_109&products_id=421
- it would be nice if there was a better notification system in place so that i wouldnt have to pick my phone up to see if i've missed anything. google HAS to know that we live in a connected world now. there were probably 50 ways to approach providing notifications to the user. i dont know why they opted to go the route of initial notification screen wake and then nothing else. i will say this, as much as this would bother me on other phones, this nexus is so great in every other way that i easily look past this annoyance.

pedxing said:
To me the soft touch feels well engineered...they put thought into it. The regular plastic back feels like no thought went into it at all. It feels the same as a plastic soda bottle. Thus cheap because thoughts are expensive.
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Agree 100%. After reading all of the reviews about how premium it felt, I was ready to pull the trigger this Christmas. But I just got hands on with it in the T-Mobile store and I was pretty unpleasantly surprised.
"THAT'S IT? THIS IS IT?"
I turned it over for about twenty seconds before putting it down and not picking it up again. Yes, it may be a minor thing to some, but feel-in-the-hand is one of my top priorities. My N5 feels much better to me, even the weight of it, somehow. By comparison, even the Moto X I held yesterday (the black with the soft touch back) was much more satisfying. The N6 felt like a dummy model. Based on this new info, plus the fact that I was already lamenting the absence of Moto software, I'll be going with the Moto X.

Subjective, I guess. My Nexus 5 looks and feels a lot less premium than my 6.

I've had mine for almost a week while it didn't take long to get used to the size I can actually work it pretty well with one hand. I just don't know if I like having a phone this big

Love this device, was disappointed in battery life...its good and about even to the m8 but I was hoping for more.
I love that it charges really quick, even using another non turbo charger. I find this phone easy to use one handed with the exception of hitting the back button with my right, or the multitask button on the right.
Build quality is superb IMO, speaker is great. Almost as good as m8. Louder than m8 but m8 is slightly more rich. In a lot of ways this reminds me of the m8 just bigger

Finest phone I've ever owned. Trounces the Nexus 5 (which IMO is one of the most comfortable and well-rounded phones ever made) and OPO in build quality and overall performance on every level, although the 7-9+ SOTs on the OPO were pretty nice too. Still happy with my purchase.

I got mine the other day through att and I'm impressed. I came from the Note 3 and was pretty much over the touchwiz stuff. I love the lollipop look. The phone feels great to hold and the screen looks great. I LOVE the turbo charger...went from 14% to 78% in 30mins! Awesome sauce!!!!