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The advantage of Nexus S - think about it before you complain

I understand that after spending so much money on a phone (many of us probably got it at the unlocked, no contract price - I did) it is easy to complain about problems a phone may have. However, no phone is ever perfect; Nexus S is not an exception to the rule: It has its fair share of issues.
I just wanted to create this thread to remind people the real advantage of the Nexus S and probably one of the biggest reasons why people are getting it. Nexus S may have its problems - like any other phone - but before you decide to moan about how terrible of a phone this is, how you are disappointed, how Google/Samsung cut corners in hardware, etc. keep in mind why you (probably) got it in the first place: Vanilla Android and fast updates. With new versions of Android bring new goodies, getting fast updates often beats out hardware. The original Nexus is testament to this; almost a year old and it still runs with the latest and greatest.
Who's with me?

darkagent said:
i understand that after spending so much money on a phone (many of us probably got it at the unlocked, no contract price - i did) it is easy to complain about problems a phone may have. However, no phone is ever perfect; nexus s is not an exception to the rule: It has its fair share of issues.
I just wanted to create this thread to remind people the real advantage of the nexus s and probably one of the biggest reasons why people are getting it. Nexus s may have its problems - like any other phone - but before you decide to moan about how terrible of a phone this is, how you are disappointed, how google/samsung cut corners in hardware, etc. Keep in mind why you (probably) got it in the first place: Vanilla android and fast updates. With new versions of android bring new goodies, getting fast updates often beats out hardware. The original nexus is testament to this; almost a year old and it still runs with the latest and greatest.
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arg!!!! Ay! Matte ay!!!!

Too bad the nexus one is getting outdated fast, mainly because it has dual touch and not multi. Google maps 5.0 is a good example of the limitations. I hope this won't happen to the nexus/galaxy s after 1 year.

It will, but then i have a new phone to play with.

androidsjonnie said:
Too bad the nexus one is getting outdated fast, mainly because it has dual touch and not multi. Google maps 5.0 is a good example of the limitations. I hope this won't happen to the nexus/galaxy s after 1 year.
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The key is getting outdated one year later. Any smartphone that can still run with the newer models a year later is doing something right.
Of course, it is worth mentioning the Nexus One was released when 1 Ghz processors were just getting started. Nexus S was released with a 1 Ghz right at the eve of dual-cores...

I am SO with you!! The Nexus one is a year old and I STILL use it as my main phone. With Googles backing the phone will always have updates first which means we will have all the cool things to show off and use as others wait for their carriers/manufactures to push an update which can take at LEAST 8 months or longer (cough cough Galaxy S) It's hardware isn't anything to be super duper about but still.. what other phone is going to hit these quadrant scores and be this snappy right out of the box all while having Googles full support? The only thing keeping me away from me using this as my primary line is the lack of any sort of tri-color trackpad\led... My N1 has spoiled me lol

DarkAgent said:
The key is getting outdated one year later. Any smartphone that can still run with the newer models a year later is doing something right.
Of course, it is worth mentioning the Nexus One was released when 1 Ghz processors were just getting started. Nexus S was released with a 1 Ghz right at the eve of dual-cores...
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Lol what, the Tegra2? It'll be a while before snapdragon dual core and the Orion come out. Tegra2 has a worse GPU than the Hummingbird.
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Nexus One, still worth it?

Hey guys,
need a bit help, well technically my friend does. hes on the market for a new phone and hes quite in love with my nexus one (im def not gonna sell it though! haha). The only concern is whether the nexus one is too old now. He loves the build quality of the nexus one but is worried if its money well spent. He found a mint tmo version for about 320, but at the same time hes wondering if he should just wait and jump to att to buy a atrix or even an iphone 4. So bias aside, is the nexus one still worthy of a 300+ price tag? honestly?
i know its googles baby but what if google does what apple did with their 1st gen iphone. what if 2.3 will be the last upgrade available before google end of lifes the n1.

honestly does your friend give two craps if the nexus one gets an update or not? prob not. anyway my frient recently asked me the same thing, he loved my nexus one and was gonna buy one. he ended up not gettting anything but he was about to do it and found one near him on craigslist and all.
i dont think its a bad idea, i still think its the best phone out there i cant find one i like better yet which is why i keep mine. great build, awesome looking, color trackball, where else can that be found?

I wouldn't sell my phone or recommend a Nexus One to a friend knowing that the power button would certainly fail and the touchscreen will give them issues.
For those reasons i couldn't recommend this phone to anybody!

I switched phones every month for a year, everything having some flaw. I've had this thing since June. No touchscreen issue, no power button issue. Pure Google, piece of art. Get it, keep it, love it.

I just bought my 2nd one (the At&t version). I first bought one on the first day they released the ATT version, but then I sold it to switch carriers. I've been back on ATT for about 6 months now and I've missed my N1, so I just ordered another one from eBay.
I've had the Captivate and the Surround and I still want my N1 back.
It should be here today

DirkGently1: if it was how you're saying, the N1 should have been dropped out the market long ago. I've got mine and got not a single problem (but the touch axis problem, which is not felt not playing on my phone).
I'd suggest the N1, because it doesn't cost like the Nexus S, but still is Google Experience. If only the Nexus S had been pumped up a little more, I'd think about it as my next phone, but dual cores are behind the corner, Nexus S will be overtaken very soon... but still I'd prefere a Nexus S 'cause it's GE.

The N1 is a great phone and I still love mine BUT if I were in the market for a new phone right now I would wait till the dual cores comes out which should be very soon.

RogerPodacter said:
honestly does your friend give two craps if the nexus one gets an update or not?
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its not high on his list but he would prefer something that isn't going to be neglected on updates.
like you guys stated, the dual cores is what hes worried about. with it being so close around the corner, would it be smart investing in year old (while advanced, its still a year old) tech? he just loves the design and quality of the nexus one but hes not sure if that is worth sacrificing the processer and other upgrades in different departments.
im just stuck on whether i should encourage him getting this phone, which is no doubt awesome but old, or wait it out.

bambamboom said:
its not high on his list but he would prefer something that isn't going to be neglected on updates.
like you guys stated, the dual cores is what hes worried about. with it being so close around the corner, would it be smart investing in year old (while advanced, its still a year old) tech? he just loves the design and quality of the nexus one but hes not sure if that is worth sacrificing the processer and other upgrades in different departments.
im just stuck on whether i should encourage him getting this phone, which is no doubt awesome but old, or wait it out.
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If he really likes the design and there's nothing else out there he wants, then I would say go for it for that price.
The way I look at it is if he can get a year out of it and be happy with it, then there will be better things out there a year from now anyway.

I've had my N1 since day-2 (had to wait for overnight shipping! ). It's more integrated into my life now, then when I first got it.
...But, I'm definitely starting to keep my eye out for the next thing. The N1 is already starting to show signs of being passed on from Google (ie the current delay on getting official Gingerbread to us!), whereas the Nexus S is the current poster-boy.
If your friend requires no-contract phone and ~$300 is his budget? Well, that's just about a no-brainer that the N1 is recommended.
Other than that, I'd tell them to hold until the Duals become a little more prevalent and then start looking... Who knows, maybe the Nexus Two with Dual-Core (get it, it's a Nexus TWO and it has TWO cores! ) will come out

I love my N1, but wouldn't pay $300 for it right now. It's nice to hear that the resale value is still up there (speaks volumes for HTC's build quality) but honestly, there are much better options out there right now.
If your friend is out of contract, he can pick up a G2 for free from T-Mobile with a 2-year contract. Other than the flimsy keyboard hinge, it beats the Nexus One in almost every category spec-wise. If you're worried about updates - G2 is just as unlockable and rootable as N1, with support from custom ROMs nowhere near stopping.
If your friend doesn't want a carrier-subsidized phone, then his best bet would be waiting a few months until the next generation of dual-core handsets start showing up en masse. Yes, they will be almost twice the price of a used N1 at that point, but that would be money well spent.

Dual cores are fine and dandy, but I would not jump on the first available models.
Nobody knows how is the battery usage or is there are any other esotheric bugs introduced by the new SMP platform.

draugaz said:
Dual cores are fine and dandy, but I would not jump on the first available models.
Nobody knows how is the battery usage or is there are any other esotheric bugs introduced by the new SMP platform.
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Good point. It's always a good idea to wait until the early adopters report in with issues. Power savings of dual-core processors is a fact on laptops and nettops, but yet remains to be proven on the mobile chip architectures. It's good to see manufacturers shipping larger batteries too (1930 mAh on Atrix), but only time will tell.

I bought a N1 right when it came out and loved it, then I got an hd2 and its the best phone I've ever had period, but the nexus one is definitely one amazing phone

Chahk said:
Good point. It's always a good idea to wait until the early adopters report in with issues. Power savings of dual-core processors is a fact on laptops and nettops, but yet remains to be proven on the mobile chip architectures. It's good to see manufacturers shipping larger batteries too (1930 mAh on Atrix), but only time will tell.
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Well, there is a concept of saving power by going multi-core and undervoting/underclocking at the same time. In theory you get more mips per watt.
But it has several relatively major ifs and buts.
First, you need to have something significant to process. The smartphone apps ten to be quite lean on processing anyway. Nobody uses their phones for prolonged number crunching sessions, the processing demand comes in short "spikes".
Second, those spikes should be parallelizable. Which is far from granted.
Third, you need to save more power than you burn on second chip. It is not only CPU itself, but also all this common glue logic around it which gets more complicated than in single core case.
Which altogether does not look like a sure deal to me. It can easily happen, that such dualcore device will greatly improve on video decoding battery life, but get even more miserable than usual standby times. Huge Attrix battery somehow does not look like a good sign to me.
In my opinion the hottest candidate for the second core would be a garbage collector. Which (if properly implemented) could dramatically improve the overall "smoothness" of the phone.
But something similar to the hyperthreading would do the trick too.

As of N1: I bought it when my Magic was starting going slooooow on recent versions of Android. My Nexus One is still highly responsive, and this is what I personally need for my daily usage. And I love to program tools on it: the screen is not small nor too big, it's just "perfect".

I think it depends on what you really want. In fact, I also thought the price of N1 is a little expense. But I still bought it since I really like it, no matter the appearance or the hardware configuration. For me, it's not too old, but your friend need make the decision by himself~~~

draugaz said:
Well, there is a concept of saving power by going multi-core and undervoting/underclocking at the same time. In theory you get more mips per watt.
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There is another feature of these new dual-core chips, is that one of the cores can be toggled on demand. No sense in burning both cores if you're just checking e-mail or syncing calendars/social statuses, but a resource-hungry media app or a 3D game for example would spin up that 2nd core.
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Huge Attrix battery somehow does not look like a good sign to me.
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I'm feeling the exact opposite. Manufacturers are starting to realize that people actually use their phones for longer periods of time, and no matter how power-efficient you make them, a larger battery is always a good idea.

Chahk said:
I love my N1, but wouldn't pay $300 for it right now. It's nice to hear that the resale value is still up there (speaks volumes for HTC's build quality) but honestly, there are much better options out there right now.
If your friend is out of contract, he can pick up a G2 for free from T-Mobile with a 2-year contract. Other than the flimsy keyboard hinge, it beats the Nexus One in almost every category spec-wise. If you're worried about updates - G2 is just as unlockable and rootable as N1, with support from custom ROMs nowhere near stopping.
If your friend doesn't want a carrier-subsidized phone, then his best bet would be waiting a few months until the next generation of dual-core handsets start showing up en masse. Yes, they will be almost twice the price of a used N1 at that point, but that would be money well spent.
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i dunno nexus vs g2 i take the nexus still, g2 is bulky and laggy compared to N1 plus with tzones/web2go its a no brainer... N1 son!

Bought the desire hd a few months back but still im on my n1... dhd cant match the speed n pure google experience... luv the n1 sooo much i'll go so far as to say its the best phone i have ever owned...

Just bought nexus s congratulations to me

Just got the nexus s today what do I do
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Make calls, send texts, and generally use it?

get to know it then ROOT IT!!!

mazodude said:
get to know it then ROOT IT!!!
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I double this, load a custom ROM, do whatever
Congrats on the phone, it is a great one

Master™ said:
I double this, load a custom ROM, do whatever
Congrats on the phone, it is a great one
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Congrats.
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Welcome to the club!!
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1. Visit market.android.com (with your desktop, laptop, iPad , netbook, etc browser)
2. Install apps like there's no tomorrow.

congratulations 1st
i dont think you need to install custom roms. i think the phone is perfect as its " for me anyway "
even though i want to ask you. assuming you know that dual core phones are starting to come from this month. " optimus 2x" with tegra 2 from nvidia, 8M 1080p video recording, hdmi output and 1.3 M front facing camera, why did you pick up the nexus S now ?
did you get it used for a good price ?
or you didnt know about newer phones coming in the market very soon ?
or you dont care about new technology and just want a pure google expierience without any added extra " theme" ?
because reading your question in the first post, you pretty much dont know how did you end up with the phone lol

Grats, should be getting mine today
going to be my first smartphone.
as for the question above me, at this time i don't see a need for dual core phones.
one of the main reasons why I went for the NS, is that it is not as common as many other phones, I like having something that not many others (atleast in my area) have.

eyals76 said:
Grats, should be getting mine today
going to be my first smartphone.
as for the question above me, at this time i don't see a need for dual core phones.
one of the main reasons why I went for the NS, is that it is not as common as many other phones, I like having something that not many others (atleast in my area) have.
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how do you figure it out ? how do you figure it out that you dont need a dual core phone ?
the prices are not much of a difference, specialy if you are going to buy it new.
i am sorry but unless you provide me with a good reason like super amoled. pure google expiernce whatever, then there is no point of buying the nexus s TODAY when new phones are coming out within week or so.
same cant be applied for people who bought it when it came out in Dec.

Why don't I need a dual core phone? simple, for me the phone is mostly for calling and texting, now that i will have a smart phone I will add GPS navigation, emails, music, videos and casual gaming and probably other stuff that i might discover along the way.
From all that I have seen today on the internet and on smartphones that friends have, all these options run great on todays hardware.
Another reason for the nexus s is the 4" screen. most next gen devices are coming out with 4.3" screen, that makes the phone too big for me.
And I like the idea of the update support from google and not needing to rely on the manufacturer for updates.

eyals76 said:
Why don't I need a dual core phone? simple, for me the phone is mostly for calling and texting, now that i will have a smart phone I will add GPS navigation, emails, music, videos and casual gaming and probably other stuff that i might discover along the way.
From all that I have seen today on the internet and on smartphones that friends have, all these options run great on todays hardware.
Another reason for the nexus s is the 4" screen. most next gen devices are coming out with 4.3" screen, that makes the phone too big for me.
And I like the idea of the update support from google and not needing to rely on the manufacturer for updates.
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all what you said apply on both phones
both are good in calling, both are good in gps emails music videos. and gaming.
the difference is the dual core just does it better in terms of multi media and gaming " better performance "
as for the 4.3 screen. its fine. even though optimus 2x is 4.0 screen and so is the atrix as far as i know
the only reason i see that you might have a point is the updates directly from google. which is good reason enough to buy the phone assuming you are honest with your self when you typed that as one of the main reasons. because yeah it takes much longer to get updates if its not from google.

Congrats on the phone.
@ll_l_x_l_ll
1ST) Don't forget that nexus S is a developer phone. If user wanted features, they would be better off buying any other android in today's market. If they want FM, memory slot, better cam, fancy UI, cheaper in price there are many other better options out there in competition to nexus s, and those options where already there before in December then the phone came out. main advantage of nexus s is that it is basic android phone with direct support from google. new software updates comes out to this phone then any other. that is handy for people developing, testing or integrating software for android.
2ND) dual-core cpu, with better performance GPU, bigger screen = short lasting battery, inconvenient to carry.... also dont forget u r buying a phone, not a PC. wont u rather play those nicer games on ur PC then on phone; come on, dont tell me everyone just keeps travelling whole week with no time to sit at a desk and enjoy games, videos, music. I still find it more convenient to send a proper email from my PC then from phone, though i like the fact that i can scan new emails quickly and sometimes send short replies (SMS-like). in short, I think going for those dual-core as soon as they come out would be an overkill. I would rather wait 10 months to a year, and buy the second generation of dual-core phones when they have better-ed battery use, with smaller size and get to choose from more apps that support dual-core.
3RD) for the enthus out there, its a matter of must have, whenever they can afford it, whatever they use it for, even if they understand the phone completely or not, its a toy by their preferred brand

seaelf said:
Congrats on the phone.
@ll_l_x_l_ll
1ST) Don't forget that nexus S is a developer phone. If user wanted features, they would be better off buying any other android in today's market. If they want FM, memory slot, better cam, fancy UI, cheaper in price there are many other better options out there in competition to nexus s, and those options where already there before in December then the phone came out. main advantage of nexus s is that it is basic android phone with direct support from google. new software updates comes out to this phone then any other. that is handy for people developing, testing or integrating software for android.
2ND) dual-core cpu, with better performance GPU, bigger screen = short lasting battery, inconvenient to carry.... also dont forget u r buying a phone, not a PC. wont u rather play those nicer games on ur PC then on phone; come on, dont tell me everyone just keeps travelling whole week with no time to sit at a desk and enjoy games, videos, music. I still find it more convenient to send a proper email from my PC then from phone, though i like the fact that i can scan new emails quickly and sometimes send short replies (SMS-like). in short, I think going for those dual-core as soon as they come out would be an overkill. I would rather wait 10 months to a year, and buy the second generation of dual-core phones when they have better-ed battery use, with smaller size and get to choose from more apps that support dual-core.
3RD) for the enthus out there, its a matter of must have, whenever they can afford it, whatever they use it for, even if they understand the phone completely or not, its a toy by their preferred brand
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1- then you agree with me. because thats what i said for people who bought it in Dec, then yeah. awesome. but for someone who is today, going to shop for a phone. i am sorry but the nexus S is not as a great value as say,, atrix or optimus 2x ( unless i want google updates or want a super amoled screen.. you know.. reasons to own a nexus S phone ". as a consumer, i dont give a crap if the phone is a developers phone or not. the end results is what matters to me.
PLUS i also agreed on the part that if he bought the phone for google updates, then thats a valid reason and he made the right choice " if it was honestly his intention like me who got sick of galaxy S lame updates by samsung.
2- the battery excuse was proven wrong with both optimus 2x released in korea where people report that the phone last more than 1 day with heavy usage . and the atrix even has a 1900 mah battery. that will pobably last longer. so please dont use that excuse.
and i know i am buying a phone. but if my phone can do pc stuff as well. then hell yeah. after all, you bought your phone for multi media. music. gps , movies, games etc. these are all PC stuff. otherwise you would have stayed on a cheap nokia phone that do nothing but calls. to me you seems you are trying to justify your purchase saying nexus S is a phone when atrix/optimus 2x are not a phone but PCs. when they both are doing the same functions exactly. but the atrix optimus 2x doing it better.
dont justify your reason for a phone. you pick whatever you want. its a personal taste, you might have bought the nexus S because you like the hardware design. its your money. you do whatever you want. when i asked i wanted a honest answer as maybe. just MAYBE he made the wrong choice. after all, we all come here for discussion and feedback/complaints/help if needed. thats what makes us a great community. " aside from troll posts ofcourse "
3- i also agree with you on this. thats what i just above. personal taste.

ll_l_x_l_ll said:
how do you figure it out ? how do you figure it out that you dont need a dual core phone ?
the prices are not much of a difference, specialy if you are going to buy it new.
i am sorry but unless you provide me with a good reason like super amoled. pure google expiernce whatever, then there is no point of buying the nexus s TODAY when new phones are coming out within week or so.
same cant be applied for people who bought it when it came out in Dec.
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LOL.
I actually agree with you that it's an odd time to be buying a Nexus S for most folks, but your final sentence there doesn't sit quite right.
You seem to be saying that the "magic" timeframe to justify buying a phone when better/faster/slicker devices are just around the corner is 3 months? I don't want to be buying a new phone every three months, though I've sort of fallen into that trap over the last year (Nexus One, Galaxy S i9000, iPhone 4, Nexus S all bought and kept in less than a year, with several others given a test drive).
Those of us who bought the Nexus S in December were heavily criticized even back then for buying what many called "outdated" technology with dual core phones coming out in a few months.
My experience with Android phones has been that there is ALWAYS a better phone coming out in a month or two. Pick what meets your needs today and get it and don't worry about justifying the purchase to some stranger in a forum...you'll go nuts otherwise.

ll_l_x_l_ll said:
congratulations 1st
i dont think you need to install custom roms. i think the phone is perfect as its " for me anyway "
even though i want to ask you. assuming you know that dual core phones are starting to come from this month. " optimus 2x" with tegra 2 from nvidia, 8M 1080p video recording, hdmi output and 1.3 M front facing camera, why did you pick up the nexus S now ?
did you get it used for a good price ?
or you didnt know about newer phones coming in the market very soon ?
or you dont care about new technology and just want a pure google expierience without any added extra " theme" ?
because reading your question in the first post, you pretty much dont know how did you end up with the phone lol
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well i am in love with the way the nexus s looks and i'd rather wait for the galaxy s 2 which the guy told me 4th quarter but if it comes out earlier these bad boys go on ebay for like $500-650 so i will just sell and buy the phone off contract

I was one of those who decided to buy a Nexus S now. In my case, a friend of mine was traveling to the US and coming back this week. I had an option of getting an Atrix or a Nexus S.
The reasons I went for the Nexus S are:
1) Motorola not only locked the baseband, but this time they signed the files. This makes the Atrix almost iPhone-like. If I wanted a closed system, I'd have stuck with the iPhone some time ago, and not switched to Android.
2) I owned a Galaxy S, which I gave to my wife (who had a Milestone) and I'm in love with Super AMOLED screens. It has raised the bar really high for me, and I wouldn't settle for any screen. Many Atrix users have reported that the Atrix screen, despite the resolution, is not that great.
3) Atrix ships with Android 2.2, and who knows when they'll have 2.3 (considering this is Motorola we're talking about.) And with Android 2.2, the Atrix seemed sluggish (on the interface) in every video I've seen so far.
4) Considering that phones are much more expensive here in Brazil, I was able to sell my wife's Milestone for just as much as I paid for the Nexus. And I even managed to give my friend (who bought it) a sweet deal. That's how expensive these things are around here. So I didn't really spend any money on the upgrade.
I don't know when my friend will be in the US again, so it was kind of a "now or never" sort of thing.
I guess I'll just wait for Google to release the next Nexus, or go for the Galaxy S2 in a few months. Right now, I'm really happy with my choice. The Nexus S feels like someone took the Galaxy S (which was already a phone I really loved) and made it even better.
Just my two cents...

ll_l_x_l_ll said:
how do you figure it out ? how do you figure it out that you dont need a dual core phone ?
the prices are not much of a difference, specialy if you are going to buy it new.
i am sorry but unless you provide me with a good reason like super amoled. pure google expiernce whatever, then there is no point of buying the nexus s TODAY when new phones are coming out within week or so.
same cant be applied for people who bought it when it came out in Dec.
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I can afford both phones, but am leaning towards the Nexus S for the following reasons:
1) SAMOLED colors and contrasts
2) Usable front camera for video calls
3) Will get Ice Cream (GPU acceleration and Gtalk video chat) in June, unlike the encrypted Atrix (next December, maybe?)
4) Most good apps will run on it just fine, while Atrix only has a couple of good Tegra 2 games and many apps that won't run on it till devs have a reason to update them by the end of the year (like all the video call apps, for instance).

Congrats on your phone!
Ignore the people who think you bought it late. I'm still waiting for it to be released in my country (should be any day now). It will be my first smartphone. My previous 2 phones (yeah I only had two) were Sony Ericsson Walkman phones, which are the best "dumb" phones there are in my opinion, but I have kept an eye on Android since it has been introduced. I have been patiently waiting untill the OS would be more grown-up, and I think the time has come.
I'm not the kind of guy that buys another phone within a year. If I buy a phone, I plan to use it for at least 2 years. Because of that, I want a phone that I think I can use for more than 2 years. It has to be special to me.
But, this doesn't mean I want the latest hardware. I am more than happy with what the Nexus S can do, and for now I don't see any reason to have a dual-core device. There just aren't features that I may use that need it, and the Nexus S is fast enough. Of course, since dual-core phones aren't more expensive than the Nexus S, I could just buy a dual-core phone, but the Nexus S seems more complete to me. And this is a thing I can't really describe....
I just think the Nexus S is unique. Unique enough to last more than 2 years, and still have people saying "nice phone".

ll_l_x_l_ll said:
1- then you agree with me. because thats what i said for people who bought it in Dec, then yeah. awesome. but for someone who is today, going to shop for a phone. i am sorry but the nexus S is not as a great value as say,, atrix or optimus 2x ( unless i want google updates or want a super amoled screen.. you know.. reasons to own a nexus S phone ". as a consumer, i dont give a crap if the phone is a developers phone or not. the end results is what matters to me.
PLUS i also agreed on the part that if he bought the phone for google updates, then thats a valid reason and he made the right choice " if it was honestly his intention like me who got sick of galaxy S lame updates by samsung.
2- the battery excuse was proven wrong with both optimus 2x released in korea where people report that the phone last more than 1 day with heavy usage . and the atrix even has a 1900 mah battery. that will pobably last longer. so please dont use that excuse.
and i know i am buying a phone. but if my phone can do pc stuff as well. then hell yeah. after all, you bought your phone for multi media. music. gps , movies, games etc. these are all PC stuff. otherwise you would have stayed on a cheap nokia phone that do nothing but calls. to me you seems you are trying to justify your purchase saying nexus S is a phone when atrix/optimus 2x are not a phone but PCs. when they both are doing the same functions exactly. but the atrix optimus 2x doing it better.
dont justify your reason for a phone. you pick whatever you want. its a personal taste, you might have bought the nexus S because you like the hardware design. its your money. you do whatever you want. when i asked i wanted a honest answer as maybe. just MAYBE he made the wrong choice. after all, we all come here for discussion and feedback/complaints/help if needed. thats what makes us a great community. " aside from troll posts ofcourse "
3- i also agree with you on this. thats what i just above. personal taste.
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There isn't another phone or tablet on the market now or coming in the near future that can push out 4.4k on quadrant without breaking a sweat. Dual cores won't be worth it until they have ice cream and can make use of both cores until then the only reason to own one is to make you feel like your gadget **** is bigger.
Furthermore why buy an atrix now when the HTC pyramid is coming soon? Dual 1.2 ghz snap dragon cores? Hell yes. Oh wait by the time that comes Tegra 3 phones will be coming out. So why buy a dual core when quad core phones are coming?!. .................
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How long are you planning on keeping this phone?

With Ice cream sandwich coming out this fall or winter it seems like this phone might have came out at the wrong time. There will probably be an update for the sg2 or at least a port, but not sure if the experience will really be the same.
I am guessing I am probably going to move to the next nexus device when it comes out. I am just wondering how many people believe they will get rid of their gs2 within a year.

djsaad1 said:
With Ice cream sandwich coming out this fall or winter it seems like this phone might have came out at the wrong time. There will probably be an update for the sg2 or at least a port, but not sure if the experience will really be the same.
I am guessing I am probably going to move to the next nexus device when it comes out. I am just wondering how many people believe they will get rid of their gs2 within a year.
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There will always be something newer and shinier on the horizon. The S2 is currently (arguably) the best android handset you can buy. Even the recently released dual core competitors don't seem to stack up against it.
Personally I adopt a 12 - 18 month cycle. In that amount of time large leaps can be made in technology and I can still get my moneys worth out of the current device.
The new S3 (not the nexus prime which is very sketchy on details and release timeframe) is touted to be a 1.4 Ghz dual core with NFC - not really a huge leap forward and not enough reason to get rid of my current S2, especially given the fact that CM is almost out for the S2 and worse case scenario (or best case ) we can go to icecream S via that route.

till see a perfect " pure google "phone .. hoping the rumors about Nexus Prime are true

I will probably keep it for the next 2 years. As someone else said we might get Ice Cream Sandwich officially or unofficially. Doubt i might be attracted by another device for at least a year, apps and games are still poorly optimized for dual-core devices, let alone quad-core, if they get launched by the end of the year. As i'm not a fan of 3D mobile phones and i consider S2 to have the proper screen size for a mobile phone, i guess it's safe to say i'll be keeping the S2 for 1 - 2 years. I still have my HTC Touch HD which i kept for 3 years and i gotta say the only reason for changing it was the desire to try Android OS. In terms of battery consumption WM does a lot better job than Android and my 3 old HD's battery beats the hell out of S2's, while doing the same things.

18 month contract, so easy decision really.

As soon as the Sensation gets S-OFF I jump ship, going to the Desire HD (my backup phone) upgrade. I like the 4 soft keys too much and most of all, as a music phone, I find the SGS2 doesn't quite has it in term of sound AND volume. So now I'm reduced to show off during the week with my dual-core SGS2 and having the Desire HD during the weekends, for teh love of music! DSP manager+Android Music app v3.0 don't give the same result on DHD and SGS2, you can't even compare. I have 9.6 GB of music on my 16GB microSD, the only thing preventing me to get a Sensation is the locked bootloader.
HTC screwed it up perfectly on this one!
f.

For the price of this phone, I am hoping two years. But as new phones come out over the next year it will make it hard for a phone ho such as myself

Until it starts feeling outdated and slow... kind of like the feeling I get when I use my girlfriend's SGS after using the SGSII for almost 2 months now.
As of right now, the SGSII runs everything smoothly. No point in upgrading when I get no performance benefits whatsoever.

I will keep mine until something significantly better comes out.
Thanks to villainrom 1.4 the only big comllaint i had, battery kife, has been addressed.
Screen, speed, form factor and camera on this handset cant.be matched, and from what weve seen so far only the iphone 5 will come close any time soon.
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I'm "stuck with this phone for two years" to use the words of my mother (I had to get the contract in her name) so I don't think ill be getting any kind of upgrade before then ,although my contract says I can upgrade May 2013 but I won't be doing this as by then ill be 18 and can get my own contract, then i'm hoping to move to a 12 or 18 month contract, so I can keep up with the latest hardware.
Hopefully Samsung will be sticking to the 18month update thing that they announced at Google IO, so it won't feel to outdated.
I don't really see any major hardware changed happening for another year (most quadcore chips are scheduledfor Q1 or Q2 2012 launches) so we will probably find a similar situation to late last year when all new phones had very similar specs.

2 years, unless I find myself with a lot of disposable income.

5-6 months. haven't kept a smartphone longer than that (except the htc desire, which i used as my flash-happy android phone side-by-side with when i had an iphone 3gs/4). As for my next purchase, leaning strongly towards whatever the next nexus is!

I upgrade around every 6 months so I guess it will be December time! To be honest unless HTC come up with something superb I reckon I'll be waiting on the next Samsung beast...... Hercules anyone??
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Till Galaxy SIII comes out

allready sold.. was nice, to have the best smartphone for a while.
But I wait till something better hits the market
Something more Flawless.
SGS2 was pretty near, but the battery turned me off
With 2 days battery life, I wouldn't even sold it or would buy a new.
Hope SGS3 will be flawless

18-24 months at least i'd say.
what makes you think Ice cream sandwich won't be good on it btw?

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6 months. Max. If Samsung will fix at least half of currently available bugs. Actually, last night i wanted to smash it to the wall.

@ AllWin: what sort of bugs? I've been pretty thorough with the phone, and haven't found much at all. Although I'm putting Kies asside here - if you are including that then fair enough
I'm loving the phone (just got one week ago.) Two possible gripes that will see me seriously consider and test the iPhone 5 when I can upgrade again (9 months).
Battery is a little gripe, although I'm hoping it will be better with time - do my usual of put on everything possible (in this case, 3G, wireless, Bluetooth, GPS, amazing looking live wallpaper galaxy something or other). I do use all the above. I'll start switching things off one by one after a week until I'm getting a full day of my usage out of it.
Secondly, I know it has been said before. but the syncing progress feels very old fashioned and cumbersome compared to the iPhone it replaced. I have spent a lot of time working out hwo to make this as simple as possible. Only time will tell if it continues to be a gripe.
If I can deal with the above, then I love the phone, and Samsungs vlingo which actually works and from a technical point of view would be happy waiting 18 months or more.

Until it stops working.
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2 years or until it breaks

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So, I assume everyone browsing this forum has the G2. I really am still in love with this device. The main reason is the physical keyboard. I also know though that there are a lot of phones coming out that will probably blow the phone away.
So what are you guys doing with the releases of HTC One series? Also, what about phones from other carriers?
I thought it would be good to hear some opinions because I am carefully considering the HTC One S with TMobile.

The HTC One S looks like a nice device- the S4 seems to have mostly better specs than the quad core international version.
For me, however, it is missing a few things: microSD card and NFC. If it had more internal memory, then the microSD card would be a non-issue. If I am going get a new phone, then I would rather get a phone with newer features (NFC), rather than a slightly better phone than I have now. It would be like getting a phone that didn't have a front facing camera or bluetooth.
I like HTC phones, but I think the One S is a little too lean on features. I expect that there will be better phones later this year that have all the features I want.

gee one said:
The HTC One S looks like a nice device- the S4 seems to have mostly better specs than the quad core international version.
For me, however, it is missing a few things: microSD card and NFC. If it had more internal memory, then the microSD card would be a non-issue. If I am going get a new phone, then I would rather get a phone with newer features (NFC), rather than a slightly better phone than I have now. It would be like getting a phone that didn't have a front facing camera or bluetooth.
I like HTC phones, but I think the One S is a little too lean on features. I expect that there will be better phones later this year that have all the features I want.
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Yeah, what do you think about the Nexus?

The Galaxy Nexus? That seems OK, but since the dual core S4 phones are announced, it seems a little dated. If I had to chose, I think I would wait for a better phone. If I was still running a donut rom on my G1, then the galaxy nexus or the One S would be an easy choice. But since I'm rocking my G2 with Audacity, I would rather wait for a phone that has all the features I'm looking for. Hopefully, T-mo will come out with a worthy phone in the G series.

Do you know what phones are supporting the Snapdragon S4? I thought that was a long time away? I haven't been in the mobile phone circle for some time now.

That makes 2 of us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
There are only a handful of phones and tablets that have been announced for the S4 - One s and XL, and EVO 4G LTE. At this point, my dream phone will be released late 2012. The S5 platform is a 28 nm process, so waiting for the S4 will have a lot of added value compared to the current state of the art 45 nm process.
For comparison, our beloved G2/DZ is a 45 nm SoC, while the Tegra 2 and 3 series are 40 nm processes. So 28 nm is the next milestone. Of course, process size is not the only measure of a phone, but I would use it as a benchmark to see how much of an upgrade you'll be getting.
I was pretty set on getting a One S, but the more I look into it, the more I want to wait for a bigger upgrade across the board. The one exception is size- the G2 is a great size and I don't won't to drift towards the phablet area. I want a cool phone, not a half-shrunken laptop.

Im wonder why the G2 is still the last worthy qwerty phone tmo has had. It sucks because when i needed a phone the G2x had just come out and i was upgrading from mytouch slide. I love my G2x but i miss having a keyboard. Now i am due for a full upgrade and still tmo has no worthy qwerty phones.

Yeah I am in love with the form factor of the G2. I also love the physical keyboard. I think a lot of users prefer that option, so I wish they would make more of these options available.
I do wish the G2 was a little bigger though. I don't think that phones like the Nexus or One X are too big, they are not the Galaxy Note after all.
I think I am going to hold off for the end of 2012 for multiple reasons. I will be more willing to upgrade then.
edit: I am actually waiting on TMobile to send me a replacement phone. Mine only boots in to the HTC screen and then never goes past. They offered me a Sidekick for free instead, but I don't know why that would be much better. I guess I research the ICS roms available and move that way until the end of the year. Thanks for the link, and the input.

@gee_one the architecture doesn't really increase performance, at least not directly. It does lower operating temperature and power consumption, which may or may not allow for even more overclocking, and thus more performance.
@joe333x have you tried the htc doubleshot (branded as mytouch4g slide). It's a fast phone and perhaps a decent upgrade from the g2/dz. Although I think it'd be better to wait for a phone with the newer s4/tegra soc's.
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@gee_one the architecture doesn't really increase performance, at least not directly. It does lower operating temperature and power consumption, which may or may not allow for even more overclocking, and thus more performance.
@joe333x have you tried the htc doubleshot (branded as mytouch4g slide). It's a fast phone and perhaps a decent upgrade from the g2/dz. Although I think it'd be better to wait for a phone with the newer s4/tegra soc's.
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So if I read tech specs correctly, you want see much difference from the cpu the HTC One S offers and the phones in the next year or so?

Correct me if I'm wrong but the One S is going to offer the Qualcomm S
4 Krait SoC, right? That's definitely going to last long enough till you upgrade.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the One S is going to offer the Qualcomm S
4 Krait SoC, right? That's definitely going to last long enough till you upgrade.
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You mean an additional 2 years?

yesshh said:
Do you know what phones are supporting the Snapdragon S4? I thought that was a long time away? I haven't been in the mobile phone circle for some time now.
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The One XL (US AT&T version of the One X) has the S4, and that phone is speculated to be released in the next few weeks. Some folks on XDA are even hoping for an announcement this week, and a release date next week (4/22?). An early test device has already been benchmarked by an AT&T employee, and it smokes every other Android device around, including tablets:
http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-one-xl-benchmark-snapdragon-s4-tegra-3-67678/

if they come up whit One Z, and if it will look cool, might get.

I never thought I would say this, but I think I'll be able to live without the hardware keyboard. I won't qualify for the full upgrade subsidy until the end of September, and while the One S looks like a pretty nice phone, I'm much more interested in what Samsung is going to announce at the beginning of May. Then again, by the end of September, there may be something even better.

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I never thought I would say this, but I think I'll be able to live without the hardware keyboard. I won't qualify for the full upgrade subsidy until the end of September, and while the One S looks like a pretty nice phone, I'm much more interested in what Samsung is going to announce at the beginning of May. Then again, by the end of September, there may be something even better.
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Yeah, I have full upgrade as of now, so I am trying to read up on the One S and the SGS3 for now. I think the lack of hardware keyboard will not be too much of a big deal, even though I will miss it. I do like that the SGS3 should be bigger, but overall I am interested in processing power and what will last the longest.
There is no information on who will receive the SGS3 is there? I have started to just live with the fact that there will be new, better technology in the mobile world every few months, so I may just be going with the One S. But Samsung will release more only a week or so after the One S release, so I may wait it out all the same.
Decisions, decisions.

At bare minimum, the krait will definitely last 2 years before it ends up in a DZ esque situation, performance wise, that is. Right now, it seems that it's the fastest chip around, and I really don't see a how android is going to need faster performing devices for the forseeable future.
The One S would personally last me 2 and a half, maybe 3 years. I'm guessing 2 years for the average joe. The krait is a very promising soc and will last for a while. Although, I'd still wait to see what else HTC is going to offer. Still hoping for a keyboard device, heh...
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Yeah, I am awaiting a keyboard phone also, but with my current financial situation I might need to hold off until the end of the year to see what they release and what the SGS3 looks like.

That is in fact the better course of action. Right now it's a really bad time to buy a smartphone..
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I think the biggest draw for me will be stock ICS- when there is a new T-mo phone that has stock ICS, I'll be there. I can flex on the small things like sd card and physical keyboard, but Sense is a no-go.