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G1 owners deserve early upgrade eligability for NEXUS ONE

I am feeling the hype of the nexus one, as im sure the rest of you are. It is truely an amazing phone, and i have a feeling it will have a xda following as powerful as the g1 has had. Seeing as though our phones are nearly out of date and close to its limit with android i was looking into buying a nexus one. NEVER would i pay 500 or so dollars for an unlocked phone. I have tmobile, but i have not had my g1 long enough for an upgrade(since last nov). Who else agrees that tmobile should be generous enough to enable us to buy the nexus one under upgrade pricing with a new 2 year agreement. They will be making their money from me, its just not right that we are basically going to be left in the dust.

No, g1 owners dont deserve anything. When you bought a g1 you paid for that phone. You never paid for any future proofing of any sort. This is like saying Windows Users should get every new version of windows free just for using windows.
You paid for a T-Mobile G1 and that is what you received. If you want to upgrade to a new phone you must pay for that new phone. These two phones have nothing to do with each other except that they both run Android. T-Mobile G1 is sold by T-Mobile, and Nexus One is sold by Google, it just happens to support T-Mobile's network.
If you think 529$ is too much just dont buy it, or wait for it to drop in price.

melterx12 said:
No, g1 owners dont deserve anything. When you bought a g1 you paid for that phone. You never paid for any future proofing of any sort. This is like saying Windows Users should get every new version of windows free just for using windows.
You paid for a T-Mobile G1 and that is what you received. If you want to upgrade to a new phone you must pay for that new phone. These two phones have nothing to do with each other except that they both run Android. T-Mobile G1 is sold by T-Mobile, and Nexus One is sold by Google, it just happens to support T-Mobile's network.
If you think 529$ is too much just dont buy it, or wait for it to drop in price.
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If anything, T-Mobile would at least upgrade G1 users to the MyTouch 3G like Rogers is going to upgrade their Dreams to the Magic because they say that it will not be able to upgrade them to 2.1 because of hardware limitations.
Doubtful that T-Mobile would take that hit though.

tazz9690 said:
If anything, T-Mobile would at least upgrade G1 users to the MyTouch 3G like Rogers is going to upgrade their Dreams to the Magic because they say that it will not be able to upgrade them to 2.1 because of hardware limitations.
Doubtful that T-Mobile would take that hit though.
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The only problem with that is the only benefit would be larger space for flashing a rom and wouldn't get the ram upgrade that you'd get if you upgraded to a magic. Unless they mean the 32b magic. Than i guess it would be the same thing. But imo, i'd rather have the keyboard then the extra space that could be solved by apps2sd.
I somewhat regret getting the mt3g.

I understand upgrading from a g1 to mytouch 3g, as they are very similar, but upgrading from a g1 to a n1 is like upgrading from a ford to a ferrari, price-wise.

I like the nexus, dont get me wrong, really seems to be advertised as an outstanding phone. I dont mind paying 500 cash for a phone, I bought my G1 for $450 anyway, but I am weighing my options between the droid and the nexus right now...simply because my number one love for the G1 is the qwerty keyboard, and droid carries that feature on but nexus doesn't.

Klyentel said:
I like the nexus, dont get me wrong, really seems to be advertised as an outstanding phone. I dont mind paying 500 cash for a phone, I bought my G1 for $450 anyway, but I am weighing my options between the droid and the nexus right now...simply because my number one love for the G1 is the qwerty keyboard, and droid carries that feature on but nexus doesn't.
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The droid has one of the worst keyboards I've ever seen on a phone, I don't recommend it
And T-mobile will upgrade you to a nexus. You just have to get out of contract and shell out $200 first

JAguirre1231 said:
The droid has one of the worst keyboards I've ever seen on a phone, I don't recommend it
And T-mobile will upgrade you to a nexus. You just have to get out of contract and shell out $200 first
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yeah so I've heard....guess im just afraid of not being able to adjust to an all touch screen phone...but i know i get 30 days to return if i dont like it so im try the nexus anyway, plus my favorite dev is cooking roms for it, so i gotta give it a go!

Let me clarify..... im am talking about the 2 yr agreement price, i believe it is $179 hell, i'd sign a 3 year agreement for it. I am not asking for ANYTHING free. i know i do not deserve it. just the option to upgrade.

Klyentel said:
I like the nexus, dont get me wrong, really seems to be advertised as an outstanding phone. I dont mind paying 500 cash for a phone, I bought my G1 for $450 anyway, but I am weighing my options between the droid and the nexus right now...simply because my number one love for the G1 is the qwerty keyboard, and droid carries that feature on but nexus doesn't.
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FWIW the Nexus One "enterprise edition" has been rumored to sport a fully qwerty. At that time I imagine they also intend to support both proxies through the browser as well as WPA2 enterprise natively, but I can't say for sure as it's all just smoke right now.

bubsy7 said:
Let me clarify..... im am talking about the 2 yr agreement price, i believe it is $179 hell, i'd sign a 3 year agreement for it. I am not asking for ANYTHING free. i know i do not deserve it. just the option to upgrade.
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yes we know, but fact simply remains that you signed a two-yr contract, a contract that stated how long you had to wait before upgrading...therefore, you must wait that time out....regardless of phone issues, thats with any cell company, T-mobile cant make business being generous, so your topic of this thread is just wishful thinking...but not a bad idea though, cus i agree it would be nice.

Klyentel said:
yes we know, but fact simply remains that you signed a two-yr contract, a contract that stated how long you had to wait before upgrading...therefore, you must wait that time out....regardless of phone issues, thats with any cell company, T-mobile cant make business being generous, so your topic of this thread is just wishful thinking...but not a bad idea though, cus i agree it would be nice.
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That's not true, you signed a contract to stay with them for 2 years. You can upgrade at any time, you just have to pay full price. They subsidize for new or out-of-contract customers to have them with that carrier

JAguirre1231 said:
The droid has one of the worst keyboards I've ever seen on a phone, I don't recommend it
And T-mobile will upgrade you to a nexus. You just have to get out of contract and shell out $200 first
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This is not T-Mobile! FOR THE LAST TIME! THIS PHONE IS SOLD SOLELY BY GOOGLE! Even if you buy it with a T-Mobile contract it will still be unlocked! Google is simply selling this phone with a T-Mobile contract in agreement with T-Mobile!
THE NEXUS ONE IS NOT SOLD BY T-MOBILE AND IS NOT A T-MOBILE PHONE!

Klyentel said:
yeah so I've heard....guess im just afraid of not being able to adjust to an all touch screen phone...but i know i get 30 days to return if i dont like it so im try the nexus anyway, plus my favorite dev is cooking roms for it, so i gotta give it a go!
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14 day return, not 30 days.

melterx12 said:
14 day return, not 30 days.
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oh, my bad, 14 days still enough, i'll probably fall in love the first day

JAguirre1231 said:
That's not true, you signed a contract to stay with them for 2 years. You can upgrade at any time, you just have to pay full price. They subsidize for new or out-of-contract customers to have them with that carrier
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yeah you're right...but who gives a **** about upgrading b4 time if you still goin pay full price...IMO, thats not an upgrade.

melterx12 said:
This is not T-Mobile! FOR THE LAST TIME! THIS PHONE IS SOLD SOLELY BY GOOGLE! Even if you buy it with a T-Mobile contract it will still be unlocked! Google is simply selling this phone with a T-Mobile contract in agreement with T-Mobile!
THE NEXUS ONE IS NOT SOLD BY T-MOBILE AND IS NOT A T-MOBILE PHONE!
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I know this, but T-Mobile is the one who subsidizes it. That is why I said it tht way

in any case, if you subsidize you are paying 80$/month for 2 years for a plan which without the nesxus one costs 60$ a month +180$ upfront!
24 x $20(Amount you are overpaying for the plan) = $480
$480 + $180 = $660
$660 - $530(price of a phone unsubsidized) = $130 OVER PAYED!

melterx12 said:
in any case, if you subsidize you are paying 80$/month for 2 years for a plan which without the nesxus one costs 60$ a month +180$ upfront!
24 x $20(Amount you are overpaying for the plan) = $480
$480 + $180 = $660
$660 - $530(price of a phone unsubsidized) = $130 OVER PAYED!
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Very true indeed...bravo. That being said people..just buy the dam phone unlocked from google...you have the option to shop carriers for the best priced plan. If you dont have $529, there is word that was discovered, hold on let me see can i find it......
Ah! here it is! its called SAVE

Klyentel said:
Very true indeed...bravo. That being said people..just buy the dam phone unlocked from google...you have the option to shop carriers for the best priced plan. If you dont have $529, there is word that was discovered, hold on let me see can i find it......
Ah! here it is! its called SAVE
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Subsidizing phones is just to make it more affordable for people who doesn't have the cash on hand. It's kind of like when you get a loan for a car. Most people won't have all the money for the car so they get a bank loan. When you get the loan you'll be charged interest until you've payed the car off. that extra $130 you are "overcharged" is just interest, in this situation.

Just gone for it...placed my trust in Google :)

Hope I've made the right decision
Now just need to get the best price for my Google bought Nexus One + Official Car Dock...
Anyone else pre-ordered? What made your mind up? I figured I should cash in on the Nexus One now before the next generation properly kicks in.

edmacfly said:
Hope I've made the right decision
Now just need to get the best price for my Google bought Nexus One + Official Car Dock...
Anyone else pre-ordered? What made your mind up? I figured I should cash in on the Nexus One now before the next generation properly kicks in.
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LUcky you foreigners and your preorders....
I sold my N1 for 350 buy itself ...well American dollars

I'd be happy with somewhere around that figure I guess. Gone the option of a short term SIM-only contract and buying the phone outright. Seems to make better financial sense and suits my geekiness in wanting an upgrade at least every 12 months.

edmacfly said:
I'd be happy with somewhere around that figure I guess. Gone the option of a short term SIM-only contract and buying the phone outright. Seems to make better financial sense and suits my geekiness in wanting an upgrade at least every 12 months.
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In the US, on Tmobile they offer 2 plan types 1 plan requires a contract and is more expensive monthly but you get your subsidized phone price. the other plan is no contract and is 20 dollars cheaper but you pay full price for your phone.
IF you do the math it costs more at the end of those 2 years than if you just bought the phone outright

edmacfly said:
Hope I've made the right decision
Now just need to get the best price for my Google bought Nexus One + Official Car Dock...
Anyone else pre-ordered? What made your mind up? I figured I should cash in on the Nexus One now before the next generation properly kicks in.
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Yep pre-ordered mine a few days ago here in the UK.
Sold my iPhone 4 so I'm hoping I wont regret that
I just fancied a changed from the same old apple keeps giving us, lets hope Google can deliver.

^ unless you have a family plan in which case it's cheaper to get the 2 year contract (since you have to buy two+ phones at full price).

recklesslife85 said:
Yep pre-ordered mine a few days ago here in the UK.
Sold my iPhone 4 so I'm hoping I wont regret that
I just fancied a changed from the same old apple keeps giving us, lets hope Google can deliver.
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Would be great to hear your experiences when you receive it! I did completely opposite and just bought an iPhone 4 after using G2 for almost two years rooted and all. I just wanted something very fast and very usable in everyday situations, as opposite to more geeky android.

monkey186 said:
Would be great to hear your experiences when you receive it! I did completely opposite and just bought an iPhone 4 after using G2 for almost two years rooted and all. I just wanted something very fast and very usable in everyday situations, as opposite to more geeky android.
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two years with the G2?

Sorry i meant G2 as in htc magic (here they are sometimes referred to as G2)

Atrix for $199 or wait for a different phone?

Hi, I am new around here. Been lurking around for a little while.
I recently lost my iPhone 3Gs so I have been looking around to replace it with an Android phone bc I am kinda bored of iOS.
I dont have an upgrade til at the end of the year so I decided to call the customer relations and see if they can work out something for me. I remember reading in a "how much did you get your atrix for?" thread where the guy said he was leaving unless they gave him a killer deal and got his for $130 +$180 in credit and no renewal of contract which is hard for me to believe. I tried and the best they gave me was $199 with extension.
I am having a hard time deciding whether to move to verizon or t-mobile but they dont have any phones that i am interested in at the moment although it seems like there will be some interesting phones on the way soon.
but I need a smartphone again ASAP bc the 'dumbphone' is makin me feel dumb.
Would it be worth it to try to hustle them a bit more for a better deal or just move on to a different network? I thought they'd give me a better deal since i been with them for a decade now but i do think $199 for the atrix is still pretty reasonable. It is just that I can always use a better deal.
Sorry if this thread is pointless but any input will be appreciated. Thanks.

$199 for an Atrix off-contract is a killer price considering that you can still take your business elsewhere and get at least $400 on ebay for the Atrix if you decide to move.

that's a great deal! go for it, you'll love the atrix

awesome deal
worst case u can still sell it on craigslist for 450+ and u are not in a contract

Honestly... I'd hold off for another month or so and wait for the SGS2. The atrix is a good phone. I jumped on this bandwagon a little early and regret it; I'm waiting for the SGS2 international (I-9100) and jumping ship as soon as it's out.
Don't get me wrong though - if you're not a tinkerer then this is a great phone. And coming from an iphone I assume you don't care about the phone being locked up seeing as how that's Apples M.O. It could be a good phone for you but personally, I want to customize it more than I'm currently able to.

alphamancer said:
Honestly... I'd hold off for another month or so and wait for the SGS2. The atrix is a good phone. I jumped on this bandwagon a little early and regret it; I'm waiting for the SGS2 international (I-9100) and jumping ship as soon as it's out.
Don't get me wrong though - if you're not a tinkerer then this is a great phone. And coming from an iphone I assume you don't care about the phone being locked up seeing as how that's Apples M.O. It could be a good phone for you but personally, I want to customize it more than I'm currently able to.
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Isn't the SGS2 International like $950 off contract lol.

Yep that's a great deal!!!
It is great phone and hopefully in couple months or sooner the boot loader will get crack which im hopping for it because that will unlock tons more enjoyment from it and with the docks imagine what you can do with those. And even Motorola might even release something or unlock the boot loader when they see sales going down because everyone wants too unlock the full potential of this device!!
I got the atrix laptop dock also which is pretty nice but it just needs a bit more speed.

I tried and the best they gave me was $199 with extension.
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So I read this as, $199 for a 2 year contract (EXTENSION)..
That's the same as everyone else.. How is that a good deal?

you can get atrix for 119 in costco.
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i was about to say the same thing
i was about to say the same thing. bought it few days ago for $120. The good thing is if I dont like the phone I can return it within 90 days without any charges and if something good comes by then (lets say Iphone 5,6 or whtever)..all I have to pay is the difference which is $80...

the price is with contract extension so basically the same price anyone can get. I just said that they would give me the contract/upgrade price now instead of waiting until the end of the year when I will be "eligible" for an upgrade. My bad for the misunderstanding. I'm not sure if I will be able to get the costco price since I can't get it for $199 even from the corporate store. As far as i know, AT&T will only allow me to get it at a discounted price through the customer relations department.
I guess I'll try if I can have the customer relations put a note on my account so that any at&t carrier can see my eligibility.

Hell, you should just buy it outright for the price; if you don't like it you can just sell it for 400+.
The phone is great though, I only took mine back because of the locked bootloader, the galaxy s 2 is coming out, and I just got bored with it.

Amazon's web store has it for $149. You'll lose your unlimited data plan if you have one, but I read that if you badger them enough they'll give it back to you.
That's what I'm going to try anyway!

do you mean if you get it from amazon?

Yes, they force you to change your data plan. Last night I found out you can also get that price at Radioshack, but I don't know if the data plan hassle remains.

moktarino said:
Yes, they force you to change your data plan. Last night I found out you can also get that price at Radioshack, but I don't know if the data plan hassle remains.
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I bought mines from radioshack and yes i was forced to convert to one of their new DATA plans, After the changes were done i called up at&t to have my unlimited databack. They submitted a case to their so called "BUFU dept" and they switched my unlimited back in 3 days.
Keep in mind i called before the changes and confirmed that they will put back my data plan

Got mine at Radio Shack for $149. No hassle at all with data plan or setup. Took less time than it typically does at an ATT store.

Bought the Vibrant on or near release date? ETF is now 100 dollars.

Just thought I'd poke my head in and let you guys know that if you bought the Vibrant on the release date, today is the day you can terminate your contract and pay a 100 dollar ETF as opposed to a 200 dollar ETF.
I switched to Verizon last month for a number of different reasons. I moved to a different part of the country and my service with T-Mobile here was beyond terrible. I wasn't happy with how T-Mobile/Samsung, or a combination of the two, completely abandoned this device 7 months after the fact. It went beyond not getting the latest version of Android, there are some pretty annoying bugs that never got fixed. After getting shafted by T-Mobile on a number of different devices, it was becoming clear that they don't have the resources to support even their "flagship" smartphones (my T-Mobile MDA never got the updates it deserved either). The G1 was the only device that really got any love for awhile after release, and that was because it's a Google Experience device. Also, it became clear during the proposed merger that customer support just didn't care anymore. But I'm getting way off track here...
Anyway, just letting you all know. 100 dollars may still be too much for you guys to justify walking away, but I'm quite happy in doing so. I'd also like to say thank you to the absolutely wonderful and amazing development community we've had for this device. Without you, this device would be garbage. I mean it. Thanks again for your continued support.

unfortunately i still have 6 more months...thanks for the heads up though.

If it's 6 months or less etf drops to $100. More than 6 months is $200

It's about $120 with tax.
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Motofail Strikes Again with Trade in Offer

So here is the link with the details of the trade in offer. Being on AT&T, the only option is an Atrix HD. The problem is, that came out with a price point of $50. Amazon and Best Buy now have it listed for free with a contract renewal. So once again, we just got another slap in the face.
It is tempting to get a free Atrix HD and slap the Razor Maxx battery in it though...saw that in their forum. I also saw in their forum that they have finally rooted it but are still working on the bootloader...get that done and it is tempting.
http://www.motorola.com/blog/2012/1...-smartphone-and-you-may-qualify-for-100-back/

F U Motorola. I'm so getting the next Nexus device.
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Read more closely, you get a $100 Motorola Visa Prepaid Card for using the trade-in program. So you can either get it from Amazon for free or get it from AT&T for $99 and use the $100 rebate. Either way you end up even as far as money spent. That being said, AT&T won't keep the Atrix HD at $99 forever, so you can probably make a little money on that offer if you aren't dying to do it today.

AtrixMarshall said:
So here is the link with the details of the trade in offer. Being on AT&T, the only option is an Atrix HD. The problem is, that came out with a price point of $50. Amazon and Best Buy now have it listed for free with a contract renewal. So once again, we just got another slap in the face.
It is tempting to get a free Atrix HD and slap the Razor Maxx battery in it though...saw that in their forum. I also saw in their forum that they have finally rooted it but are still working on the bootloader...get that done and it is tempting.
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No fcking way i'll get another unsupported-locked-closed-unupdateble motorola device

Geez wow great, a rebate that doesn't include my Canadian Bell Atrix 4G

Hmmm... Wait 6-8 weeks to get my $100? Worse yet... to find out that because of some obscure rule or something I don't qualify because I'm bald and I am stuck with a phone I had to pay for when I could have maybe gotten something better like a Sammy 3?
Thanks for the offer but no thanks. If maybe they had a unit that was competing head to head with the HTC1X or the SG3, then maybe I'd consider it.

What a bunch of worthless clowns, they're merely guaranteeing 100$ from Clover Wireless, a company that buys used phones and reconditions them for resale. You can send your phone to them at any time for trade in value.
Or, you could sell it on Craigslist.
In addition you don't get the phone unless the phone is active on your account at the time of purchase of the new phone.

Finally Atrix2 is abandoned too.. Check Motorola forum...
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rancur3p1c said:
What a bunch of worthless clowns, they're merely guaranteeing 100$ from Clover Wireless, a company that buys used phones and reconditions them for resale. You can send your phone to them at any time for trade in value.
Or, you could sell it on Craigslist.
In addition you don't get the phone unless the phone is active on your account at the time of purchase of the new phone.
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Don't forget that this new phone will probably come with its bootloader locked tighter than San Quentin during a riot. But I'm sure we can count on Motorola to keep the OS current.
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Sorry. Couldn't resist.

or just sell it for $180 on craigslist for cold hard cash

Finally Atrix2 is abandoned too.. Check Motorola forum... <br />
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One update only for Motofail. LOL..
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Atrix 2 got dropped already after one update? Not surprised. The Atrix HD doesn't look impressive with it's 1GB RAM, not when other phones are out with 2GB RAM. I'm not sure how future-proof it will be, but then again, it looks like Motorola is turning these things into disposable devices, despite the 2 - 3 year contracts.

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Don't forget that this new phone will probably come with its bootloader locked tighter than San Quentin during a riot. But I'm sure we can count on Motorola to keep the OS current.
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but but but I thought motorola was going to start unlocking their bootloaders????

rancur3p1c said:
What a bunch of worthless clowns, they're merely guaranteeing 100$ from Clover Wireless, a company that buys used phones and reconditions them for resale. You can send your phone to them at any time for trade in value.
Or, you could sell it on Craigslist.
In addition you don't get the phone unless the phone is active on your account at the time of purchase of the new phone.
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The business concept for mobile phones is to make people think they are disposable products. Device makers working with carriers to ensure a mutual benefit; make a device with a 1-2 year life span, claim a price 10 times what it cost to make, sell it for double what it cost to make ($50-$200) with a minimum 2 year contract then just before the contracts start giving out (18 months) stop issuing updates to persuade people they need to trade in their old device which is still viable. Set up a trade-in program, refurbish for $0-$20 a device, turn around and sell it used for another $50-$100.
Pretty sweet deal if you ask me considering both the device makers and the carriers all win big off of consumers.
As for the actual cost of a device, take the iPhone 5 for an example. 64gb device costs $399 for a 2 year contract and the 32gb version costs $299 with the same contract? Wow...that better be by far the fastest, most incredibly efficient 32gb of $100 memory considering I paid $90 for an OCZ Agility 3 64gb drive nearly a year ago. The whole process is nothing more than gouging the consumer and borderline price fixing/oligopoly both of which the Telcom industry has not only been notorious for but so notorious that the Bell System/ATT antri trust agreement with the Feds that occurred back in the early 80's only recently ended.

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but but but I thought motorola was going to start unlocking their bootloaders????
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LOL. But did they say when? Actually, there was some "development device" they were marketing, but the only thing I saw that made it a development device was an unlockable bootloader and lack of warranty and nothing on a hardware level access (serial/JTAG/ICSP) or documentation level.

lehjr said:
LOL. But did they say when? Actually, there was some "development device" they were marketing, but the only thing I saw that made it a development device was an unlockable bootloader and lack of warranty and nothing on a hardware level access (serial/JTAG/ICSP) or documentation level.
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My dad has an iPhone 3GS. Old device.. and he's running iOS 6!!!!
I can't believe Motorola left us out in the cold again. I had a Motorola Cliq. I should have learned my lesson, but noooo... I had to go back to them.
Meanwhile, my other phone (a Galaxy Note) receives so many updates a month I actually have to choose which ones I want to apply.
Motorola: NEVER AGAIN.

lehjr said:
LOL. But did they say when? Actually, there was some "development device" they were marketing, but the only thing I saw that made it a development device was an unlockable bootloader and lack of warranty and nothing on a hardware level access (serial/JTAG/ICSP) or documentation level.
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Hey man I'm not saying I believed it or anything.

Actually...there's not many phones with 2GB of ram. IMO...Atrix HD is a nice phone with nice performance.
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Have not read all of the details but how about do the trade in for Atrix HD with ATT and get the $100 from Moto. Before 30 days is up, you can go back to att and trade the HD in for SGIII or other phone. Will Moto know any different? Just saying.

e07015 said:
Have not read all of the details but how about do the trade in for Atrix HD with ATT and get the $100 from Moto. Before 30 days is up, you can go back to att and trade the HD in for SGIII or other phone. Will Moto know any different? Just saying.
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We have a winner