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me im weighing my options tbh.
it's either going to be a moment...which i currently have a offer on
moment2
N1 if it EVER comes to sprint!
or maybe the next gen webos phone?
im not buying the evo as most are, im not fond of the design, too bulky IMO.
I'm going for the Evo. I was also concerned about the size, so I went to a T-Mobile store and scoped out the HD2. The size wasn't as bad as I'd feared.
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EVO !!!
no looking back
hero for now. maybe evo at the end of the year. ( my bday present ) etc.. whatever it is is will be android on sprint thats for sure..
whatever it is it'll have a hard keyboard, be on Sprint, and run Android.
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I've already brought my Palm Pre out of retirement and the last five updates that it received while I was away (yes, five!, and a phone that is actually supported and receives updates was surprising to me too) have really made it shine. It's a completely different phone. The high-performance 3D games rock, the web browser kills the one in the Hero, and the whole experience just feels better designed, more natural, and far more professional overall.
WebOS kicks major ass and with HP backing it and "doubling down" on the operating system I think that it has an enormous amount of potential, especially with updated hardware. So my next phone is definitely going to run WebOS. I'm tired of this fragmented Android nonsense and manufacturers who don't stand behind their products at all.
The WebOS homebrew community is utterly amazing as well. They actually publish the source code for their modifications and work together under one project:
http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page
Palm also supports them wholeheartedly. You don't have to root your phone, you simply enter the Konami code (literally by typing upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart--a badass easter egg) and it gives you full developer mode access to the device. Palm also publishes the source code that they modify (including the Pre's Linux kernel) under the GPL. They do this automatically without their customers having to stage a formal Twitter protest and waiting four months like HTC made us do last time:
http://opensource.palm.com/
To all my fellow Hero owners, best of luck with your abandoned handset. To those of you who decide to stay with Android, best of luck with your future abandoned handset.
Now that I know Fixxer isn't getting one, I'm going with the Evo.
@Sawawa good luck with your abandoned company (Palm). Whatever talent hasn't already quit will likely be muted by HP.
Maybe I have low expectations, but I only expect a cellphone to last me 6 months - 1 year. The Hero has done that already and still has plenty of life left in it. Whichever Ebayer gets mine will be lucky.
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Now that I know Fixxer isn't getting one, I'm going with the Evo.
@Sawawa good luck with your abandoned company (Palm). Whatever talent hasn't already quit will likely be muted by HP.
Maybe I have low expectations, but I only expect a cellphone to last me 6 months - 1 year. The Hero has done that already and still has plenty of life left in it. Whichever Ebayer gets mine will be lucky.
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Only one person has quit, and his position was obviated by the HP acquisition. The other executive, the Director of Carrier Marketing, was quite clearly fired for failing to properly market the device, but was allowed to leave gracefully to save face. No one else has left. They believed in the company enough to stick with it while things were dire, I doubt many of them are now suddenly eager to leave with the future looking so bright. HP didn't just spend 1.2 billion to watch the asset that they purchased languish and die.
Whatever. I'd rather be on a platform with some upside. The situation with Android is deteriorating, not getting better. If Google really releases Android 2.2 at their upcoming IO Conference in a few weeks (as is widely expected) can you imagine what kind of clusterfuck that will be?
1.5, 1.6, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2 = LOL
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Only one person has quit, and his position was obviated by the HP acquisition. The other executive, the Director of Carrier Marketing, was quite clearly fired for failing to properly market the device, but was allowed to leave gracefully to save face. No one else has left. They believed in the company enough to stick with it while things were dire, I doubt many of them are now suddenly eager to leave with the future looking so bright. HP didn't just spend 1.2 billion to watch the asset that they purchased languish and die.
Whatever. I'd rather be on a platform with some upside. The situation with Android is deteriorating, not getting better. If Google really releases Android 2.2 at their upcoming IO Conference in a few weeks (as is widely expected) can you imagine what kind of clusterfuck that will be?
1.5, 1.6, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2 = LOL
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HP killed the Ipaq (PDA), HP also killed the Voodoo brand after they bought it in 2006, so I wouldn't put it past them to squander an asset. I think competition drives better results, so I hope HP can keep Palm together.
I also fail to see Android segregation as hurting anyone. Apps that don't work on different versions aren't available in Market by design. Someone running 1.5 who is upset they don't have Latitude without buying a new phone doesn't qualify as a clusterfuck.
Old phones become obsolete, despite the platform. Check out the Iphone 4.0 software, only the 3gs and the new Iphone are actually going to utilize the majority of the new features available.
I'm at a crossroad and totally not sure what phone will be my next. i have to say that I want an EVO really bad but at the same time, I want a phone that will have prompt future support. My current thinking is that HTC (devices other than Nexus) does not fit that bill. So, at this point, I'm leaning toward the Nexus.
EVO
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Now that I know Fixxer isn't getting one, I'm going with the Evo.
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haha, whats with you? jesus man let **** go.
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haha, whats with you? jesus man let **** go.
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What are you talking about?
The first morestown powered android phone.
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if a fixed nexus one comes to sprint this summer I'll buy it. I'm not a fan of the size of the evo. I'm thinking I can hold out for android 2.2 devices if necessary.
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The first morestown powered android phone.
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I have high hopes for this also. Maybe it will be my Evo replacement... I wonder how long until we will see production handsets?
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I'm at a crossroad and totally not sure what phone will be my next. i have to say that I want an EVO really bad but at the same time, I want a phone that will have prompt future support. My current thinking is that HTC (devices other than Nexus) does not fit that bill. So, at this point, I'm leaning toward the Nexus.
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My thoughts exactly. I have a bad taste from what happened with 2.1 on the hero. I don't wan to re-live that with the evo. I think the nexus one would be my next choice also.
I have a pre also and will most likely sell it but if hp makes a super phone in the near future, I will probably go back to webos. I like webos but it is just not growing at a rapid pace and with all the stability issues with the company. The phones not selling for as much as it used to on ebay. I am gonna get out so I don't lose too much money.
Evo and XDA Devs, FTW! Sure hope toast and Flipz get one too.
I'm not eligible to upgrade till who-knows-when, so there will most likely be some exciting phones out by then lol. While I do love Android, I am also a little anxious to see what Blackberry OS 6 (and by then some new hardware) brings to the table. Regardless of OS, I'm fairly certain my next phone is going to have a physical keyboard.
Evo all the way. Since I wasn't thinking when I made my XDA user, I'll have to change it to EvoMeng
SO.. as the title says... is the Hero worth buying now?
Also, I`ve read here about some problems with the touch screen that suddenly appear... is that a general issue or just some isolated incidents?
The phone is over a year old now, the CPU is a generation older than the other Android devices with the 1GHz Snapdragon processor. I'm sure the phone manufacturers are preparing the next generation devices for later in the year - making those phones obsolete.
If you're after a cheap device then you should be able to get a Hero second hand for a decent price. If you're willing to root and try new ROMs then there is still a decent community for the Hero - otherwise you'll be stuck on Android 2.1 if you stick with the official updates. The Hero is highly unlikely to get any more updates from HTC.
If your budget allows for a newer phone, then you'd be better off getting a more powerful Android device.
Thanks, I too think that it`s a little old, but it has a fairly good price, almost the same as Wildfire here, where I live, but that qvga screen on the Wildfire is a let down for me.
Alex~ is bang on, it is cheap,and the community on here is great, so if your gona be using custom roms then go for it. But I wouldn't like to say how many devs will still bother with us after Xmas.
If you can put up ur budget, do that.
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Alex~ is bang on, it is cheap,and the community on here is great, so if your gona be using custom roms then go for it. But I wouldn't like to say how many devs will still bother with us after Xmas.
If you can put up ur budget, do that.
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Tru, there are better phones available if buying new, but it's more than competent if second hand.
I'll be about till May 2011 with my hero anyway, as my contract expires then. And even then, the hero is popular enough to merit continued support i reckin.
Hi I just bought one off eBay about a month old for £150 took a bit time to root and get used to Android, but worth it and its ok for price with lots of features. Although I think I now should have gone for HTC Legend?
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Not to mention that there is no other Android phone with as cool appearance as that of a black Hero (the european version, not the US Sprint's ugly cousin). I held the Desire in my hands and played with it a bit, but although it was blazingly fast, it didn't strike me as something I'd want.
What I will want next year is a Hero-shaped phone with modern hardware.
Would not recommend ebay.
Three are selling reconditioned £159.99 with £10 credit and can be unlocked from ebay for £6.50. Also £12 cashback if you go through Quidco.
Hope this helps.
Well the community for it is quite huge. Ofc it will slim when others move to newer phones, but I guess there are folks who got a 2 year contract (me being one of them, hehe )
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Not to mention that there is no other Android phone with as cool appearance as that of a black Hero (the european version, not the US Sprint's ugly cousin). I held the Desire in my hands and played with it a bit, but although it was blazingly fast, it didn't strike me as something I'd want.
What I will want next year is a Hero-shaped phone with modern hardware.
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I agree completely, imo the only other phone that looks as good or better than the Hero is the Legend. A Hero-shaped super phone would be amazing
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they've released the htc wildfire which is very much just a repackaged hero... i have no idea why they did it. it lacks all the style and class of the hero and only has an fm radio to make up for it.
Well if you root your Hero and overclock it, it pretty much becomes a Legend. Without the better screen and slimer profile. I want the Desire but got the HTC Hero this year because it just looked awesome (unfortunately Canadian carriers screw you over with 3 year contracts instead of two ) but I do love my Hero as it is my first smart phone and I love the 'chin'.
It is a matter of preference so the choice in the end is yours, but we do have Feeyo .
The design really stands out yea. People are always like "hey, what kind of phone is that?" while my brother gets none and has a desire
I think there are too many phones who are desire-like look at first look. Hero really stands out
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The design really stands out yea. People are always like "hey, what kind of phone is that?" while my brother gets none and has a desire
I think there are too many phones who are desire-like look at first look. Hero really stands out
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I get that a bit. Although the only smartphone that really has any recognition here in NZ is the iPhone. I imported my phone as we don't even have a decent range of Android phones (at reasonable prices). I mean... we JUST got the Nexus One which Google just stopped selling? lol.
But I only recently got my hero (a month ago now?) and i'm happy with my purchase. I mean... there's other purchases that could be had. I almost got a Milestone but the keyboard really put me off (played with my mates', it was a terrible keyboard.. the buttons are so stiff it isn't funny). I mean... I noticed a price drop of the Milestone shortly after I purchased my Hero but.. Eh, I can't complain. Bigger screen/higher res would've been nice though. Specs aren't really much more to write home about though.
Hero was reasonably priced, looks good, performs well enough. My only real annoyances about it are: No official Froyo, smaller screen/lower-resolution than others, can't run some newer games which i probably wouldn't play much anyway.
I'll probably upgrade next year when I have lots of money
OK I had the Hero, and the Google phones by HTC on other carriers all had the same problem whether on 1.5 or 1.6 they all wanted 2.0+, most were very delayed, some other companies, Motorolla, have botched updates as well.
That being said, I came from the Hero where I liked HTC, didn't like not having a keyboard on that phone sometimes. I find that Samsung seems to be about equal from my perspective, I am wondering why so many people here make them out to be the devil and make HTC sound wonderful. Do you really think they don't ever mess up updates there and all their phones are better? I'm sorta lost on that point, vs. almost any other Android company. As far as I'm concerned, having a friend who had the G3? on T-Mo then I got the Hero soon after, I have found Google to be the delay...that or every company does it...
Am I wrong somehow?
Android users will *****, moan and complain until their faces are blue. Google has trained us to expect software updates immediately since they release them so rapidly. And if the Android userbase doesnt have the latest and greatest on our phones within even a month of Google releasing the source code...they blow thru the roof.
I had the Hero as well...and I recall being on 1.5 and everyone *****ing about when we would get 2.0. HTC got brownie points because they got EVO users 2.2 so quickly while Epic owners sat in the corner and watched the cool kids move their apps to their SD card.
We will be getting 2.2 on Monday...and then we will want 2.3. Its a process that will never end...
And the end of the day...Android users are the biggest pains in the a double s's ever. They cry, complain and moan and the sense of entitlement they possess is ridiculous. Software updates take time to format for different phones running different systems. Patience doesnt exist though. Thanks to Google...
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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Im not concerned with froyo honestly. Im concerned with bug fixes for known problems
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Ditto. I could give a crap about froyo at this point. If it doesn't fix all the bugs and battery problems, who cares. Airplane mode toggle, GPS, exchange connection problems and battery drainage, and DRM batter drainage are my biggest complaints. To be honest with you I would be happy if they fixed those things, cause it's a pain to have to deal with all of that. There's no reason why you should have to do all this tweeking to get your phone to work semi decent!
OP, this is true. If I switch it will be for greatly increased dev support.
I'm reluctant only because I will really miss the camera. I bought the phone for the keyboard but it has proven itself fairly worthless compared to the blackberry keyboards I'm used to.
I'm nowhere near the most hungry person for this new OS version (seriously, it's JUST SOFTWARE) but I have to admit it just doesn't make sense that a company worth possibly hundreds of billions of dollars can't update their "flagship" phones faster than this.
Yes, we all know Sprint figures into the equation somehow, but they sure managed to get Froyo onto the Evo quickly, didn't they? You can't tell me HTC, which is a far smaller and less influential company than Samsung, had less technical hurdles to overcome. (Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.)
Now Samsung and Sprint may be more conservative for the Epic's care, but their lack of transparency as to why is the issue here. It's largely about lack of communication. Sure, you can argue they don't owe us anything insider-y, but because we look at the technology as vital and spend so much money we want to feel taken care of and be assured our devices have value, and are valued. The phone should be better with this new version, but we probably shouldn't expect miracles either.
I just think Samsung, for all its admirable qualities, needs to really re-evaluate their product support. They've come a long way in mobile phones, and I bought the Epic because I liked the previous "dumb phones" they made well enough, but they also have a long way to go. With their smarts and innovation, I think they will be able to successfully reform. But they can't simply look at the immediate bottom line--competition in technology is too fierce now, reputations can get destroyed quickly, and companies which tarnish their brand can pay dearly for their errors. Just yesterday you had phone makers like Nokia and RIM high on the heap, and even Microsoft's Windows Mobile was once considered a potentially serious player--look at them now, struggling. It can happen to Samsung as well. But they can still make good, and maybe are finally turning the corner here in the U.S.
Most updates take a while for them to be released. There are always bugs that need to be fixed and the bugs are not usually easy to be fixed. The specs are slightly better on some other manufacturer phones, but the AMOLED screen keeps me sticking with Samsung. That and the fact that their charging ports don't have issues with falling off the mainboard like the Evo. It took thousands of complaints for HTC to come out with a reinforced charging port when they released the Evo Shift, but they still have not gone back and changed their manufacturing process of the regular Evo to incorporate the reinforced charging ports.
It is much easier to explain to a customer that damaged their ribbon cable when they dropped their phone with the slide open than it is to explain to a customer that their charging port is a common complaint, but since it damaged the solder joints and contacts beneath the port, they now have to pay $100 for their deductible or get a new phone if they didn't have ERP or TEP.
I really don't care what OS version im on as long as there's no bugs
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My guess is that HTC makes better android software to beging with.
I owned 2 samsung phones(Behold2 and Epic) and one HTC phone(MyTouch Slide 3GS).
MyTouch with only 600mhz CPU,512 ram and no dedicated GPU ran android(with Sense overlay) so well that it was unbelivebale.
MyTouch Slide 3GS with stock rom ran so much smoother and lag-free than my Epic is with any rom(maybe with exeption of Syndicate).I know people will say that its due to MTS3gs's lower resolution,while that maybe partialy true I think its because HTC takes their time to optimize android to run smooth on their hardware and has better developers.Samsung does **** halfassed,why not hire some better developers and make you software as good as your hardware and be number one phone company in the world?
I bought MTS3gs at launch date with 2.1 on it and within 2 months they released 2.2 for it,keep in mind that MTS3gs was not a heavy hitter,all 4 networks,flagship phone like Galaxy S is.That makes me feel that HTC cares about their reputation not like Samsung.
While my Samsung phones are of better build quality I would go back to HTC in a heartbeat if they had Amoled screens,but after using Amoled on Behold2 and S Amoled on Epic I cant,lol.
And one last thing why I think HTC is better-They release their source quickly.Why do you think all Cyanogens,MIUI and best roms hit HTC so quickly?
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Yes, we all know Sprint figures into the equation somehow, but they sure managed to get Froyo onto the Evo quickly, didn't they? You can't tell me HTC, which is a far smaller and less influential company than Samsung, had less technical hurdles to overcome. (Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.)
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Uh, lets review history a little bit.
HTC is the manufacturer of the Nexus 1, the first phone to get Froyo. They received froyo before the release of the Nexus 1 so that they could write drivers. SIX MONTHS LATER, the EVO4g comes along running a SLIGHTLY different first generation snapdragon SOC. In fact, the EVO has near identical hardware to the HTC Incredible which was released a full month before the EVO.
So HTC had PLENTY of time to begin developing drivers for the EVO.
You are saying that Samsung didn't have more technical hurdles to overcome creating drivers for the first devices to use their hummingbird processor and PowerVR SGX 540 gpu than HTC which built the reference platform for Froyo 2.2 through their Nexus One?
The Evo has also received multiple small patches from HTC because their Froyo update was obviously rushed by Sprint so that they could run all of those annoying "first" ads.
Also, take a look at some of the issues people have had with the Evo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Evo_4G#Criticism
It has the same screen issues that my HTC TP2 had, which is the brightening in a small spot as an example.
HTC and Samsung are the same..the biggest difference is Sprint is Sprint released EVO as their June phone and wanted to be first to upgrade to 2.2 so they pushed HTC to upgrade faster...If you think about it they updated the international SGS at an ok time table (not the best but OK)..when it got to the carriers is when the issues started happening..
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My guess is that HTC makes better android software to beging with.
I owned 2 samsung phones(Behold2 and Epic) and one HTC phone(MyTouch Slide 3GS).
MyTouch with only 600mhz CPU,512 ram and no dedicated GPU ran android(with Sense overlay) so well that it was unbelivebale.
MyTouch Slide 3GS with stock rom ran so much smoother and lag-free than my Epic is with any rom(maybe with exeption of Syndicate).I know people will say that its due to MTS3gs's lower resolution,while that maybe partialy true I think its because HTC takes their time to optimize android to run smooth on their hardware and has better developers.Samsung does **** halfassed,why not hire some better developers and make you software as good as your hardware and be number one phone company in the world?
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The MT3GS is using the 600mhz snapdragon processor is it not..that processor is pretty much an under-clocked EVO and GPU is the same..add to it the lower resolution and there is no reason why it shouldnt run smoothly..anyways on my Epic though when running 2.1 stock I had it smoothly no matter what I was doing :/
I bought MTS3gs at launch date with 2.1 on it and within 2 months they released 2.2 for it,keep in mind that MTS3gs was not a heavy hitter,all 4 networks,flagship phone like Galaxy S is.That makes me feel that HTC cares about their reputation not like Samsung.
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The mytouch series is T-mobile's brand...when your "branded" by the carriers you get more love...
And one last thing why I think HTC is better-They release their source quickly.Why do you think all Cyanogens,MIUI and best roms hit HTC so quickly?
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?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?..we are talking about the same HTC right? for the record Samsung releases source same day or within a week usualy..HTC on the other hand still didnt release sources for many devices eve after people have been calling them for AGES to release them...
What makes HTC easier is many devs have worked with HTC phones for YEARS even before they had any protection on bootloaders or anything..we practically grew up with them..and with the N1 it contributed a lot as well..
See, I just don't believe any of that and ill tell you why; the myTouch 4g. That phone runs worse than my HERO did with stock software. And it does everything slow: pulling up the dialer, installing and loading apps, pulling up the market, everything. Its honestly probably one of the worst feeling phones I've ever used (that weren't running MotoBLUR... shutters) and even launcher pro couldn't salvage it.
The reason HTC is "better" than Samsung is just as TC said; people here have awfully selective memories. HTC is just as painfully slow at getting this done as everyone else, they just got paid a ton to get 2.2 (not even 2.2.1 which I believe it still doesn't even have) out for ONE phone and everyone just forgot. I can't wait for the Evo to take 9 years like every other phone to get gingerbread/ice cream sandwich so people can return to hating every company evenly.
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Most updates take a while for them to be released. There are always bugs that need to be fixed and the bugs are not usually easy to be fixed. The specs are slightly better on some other manufacturer phones, but the AMOLED screen keeps me sticking with Samsung.
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True,Samsung has the best hardware,and Amoled keeps me buying from Sammy.But when Samsung got a flagship phone that is out on 6 major phone carriers in US alone,plus 3 more in Canada and probably 5-10 more in EU and they neglect to update them and put in a little Extra time when making the software for them-Thats bad business.
Samsung have no vision thats why they will never have loyal costumers like Apple.Why year after year you see same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones?Because they know that Apple will not abandon them.First iphone2g,iphone3g,3gs still get updated with new features.Samsung just too stingy to pay a few extra pennies that will earn them millions of exta dollars in a longrun.
Thanks for that very interesting and informative post. I can't claim to know about the intricacies of writing hardware device drivers, but even so, with all its resources it's tough to believe Samsung had so much trouble. But to keep perspective it's really mainly a U.S. problem. In other parts of the world they've had Froyo on Galaxy S for months. We have the differing builds and radios etc. they had to cope with. But enough devil's advocacy...my original incredulity is still in place about Samsung, if not Sprint. If the update lives up to at least most of our expectations, I guess it'll be bridge/water.
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True,Samsung has the best hardware,and Amoled keeps me buying from Sammy.But when Samsung got a flagship phone that is out on 6 major phone carriers in US alone,plus 3 more in Canada and probably 5-10 more in EU and they neglect to update them and put in a little Extra time when making the software for them-Thats bad business.
Samsung have no vision thats why they will never have loyal costumers like Apple.Why year after year you see same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones?Because they know that Apple will not abandon them.First iphone2g,iphone3g,3gs still get updated with new features.Samsung just too stingy to pay a few extra pennies that will earn them millions of exta dollars in a longrun.
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Wut?
Every phone Samsung has released under the Galaxy S banner other than the 4 major carriers in the US got Froyo in November.
Apple hasn't abandoned the iPhone 2g and 3g? Interesting.
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Thanks for that very interesting and informative post. I can't claim to know about the intricacies of writing hardware device drivers, but even so, with all its resources it's tough to believe Samsung had so much trouble. But to keep perspective it's really mainly a U.S. problem. In other parts of the world they've had Froyo on Galaxy S for months. We have the differing builds and radios etc. they had to cope with. But enough devil's advocacy...my original incredulity is still in place about Samsung, if not Sprint. If the update lives up to at least most of our expectations, I guess it'll be bridge/water.
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Now this is something we should ponder. Samsung has ALL of the drivers already written for a majority of what is needed to get us to Gingerbread. They released the Nexus S which is the flagship gingerbread phone, and simply has to port over and update our 4g and cdma drivers basically. We should absolutely see Gingerbread in a very quick fashion, IF that is, Samsung is deciding to support this phone as they should.
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Every phone Samsung has released under the Galaxy S banner other than the 4 major carriers in the US got Froyo in November.
Apple hasn't abandoned the iPhone 2g and 3g? Interesting.
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They haven't abandoned the 3g..it works by 2 years cycles..so 2g has been abandoned but 3g has not until the iphone 5...
That said it doesn't mean samsung has gave up on us completely..for all you know we may go up all the way to honeycomb and beyond...they just have been rather slow at it :/
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Why year after year do you see the same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones? Because Apple consumers are a cult made up of a certain type of people who are easily susceptible to being brainwashed by clever advertising and worship everything Steve Jobs says or does like he's the David Koresh of geekdom.
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Fixed. Half tongue-in-cheek, but half serious as well.
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Now this is something we should ponder. Samsung has ALL of the drivers already written for a majority of what is needed to get us to Gingerbread. They released the Nexus S which is the flagship gingerbread phone, and simply has to port over and update our 4g and cdma drivers basically. We should absolutely see Gingerbread in a very quick fashion, IF that is, Samsung is deciding to support this phone as they should.
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Sure, that sounds sensible except I might beg the question...why then not take us right to Gingerbread? ;-) Coincidentally I was at a Best Buy tonight and played with a Nexus S. It really is weird how it's so similar to the phone I'm typing this on right now, but Google's sponsorship of it changes so much on the software side...
I love htc but they did us wrong with the kernal source. I know we got it but they made us wait a while. Even though we did well without is thanks to our awesome devs. I was wondering if all you out there will stick to htc or go elsewhere due to the support? Im not totally mad because like i said we did great without it. Let me know whats in on your mind.
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i'm still gonna support HTC cause no matter what they got the build quality and i love sense still the best
Yeah Sense UI is what keeps me with HTC, its just so pretty and their phones are solid, but here recently i have been thinking alot about them doing us wrong on source but HTC is where ill prolly stay.I have been looking at the Design too
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The build quality on HTC's are solid. The kernel source was really frustrating to me and the way Samsung is handling things makes me want to go Samsung next device. Alas I still have another year+ for an upgrade.
I love HTC I know they took a lot to release the kernel source, like everybody else the build of their phones is great, the htc loggers issue and now the wimax issue.. and still love sense no other manufacturer skin on top is better.
I just switchd to the Motorola Photon just cause it has a great build quality, better radios the international capabilities and is faster overall but the most important thing is that I bought it brand new for only 250 bucks that was less than half price...
But I would definitely buy HTC again in the future.
I agree with others that HTC makes a great phone, and I love Sense; but I'll probably go to a different manufacturer next time around due to the lack of communication from HTC about the delay in releasing our source plus the data logging being done unscrupulously by HTC.
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Yeah Sense UI is what keeps me with HTC, its just so pretty and their phones are solid, but here recently i have been thinking alot about them doing us wrong on source but HTC is where ill prolly stay.I have been looking at the Design too
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I was thinking of the Design too. I figured by New Years/Christmas that maybe the price would drop a little and i can get a good deal on it
It's true HTC did screw everyone by holding up the Source Kernel. I for one am truely pissed off by this. But that being said, I WILL buy an HTC device when I finally decide to retire my Shift. Because I prefer their devices to all the others I have owned (Samsung, Motorola, LG, Sanyo).
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I agree with others that HTC makes a great phone, and I love Sense; but I'll probably go to a different manufacturer next time around due to the lack of communication from HTC about the delay in releasing our source plus the data logging being done unscrupulously by HTC.
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The data logging is done by all manufacturers... samsung's is called "carrier iq"... we will never escape big brother...
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The data logging is done by all manufacturers... samsung's is called "carrier iq"... we will never escape big brother...
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You can believe that , big brother is always watching. Here's a little tid bit for all you out there. I read somewhere recently that their are over 1 million surveillance cameras active in the US
I'm gonna stick with HTC because they have the best quality android phone with sprint. The samsungs and lgs feel like toys and also feel like if you dropped them they'd break. Plus Sense is awsome....
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Although HTC has delayed the Evo Shift kernel source they have stuck to their word on other devices. Look at how fast the kernel source for the HTC Sensation and HTC Evo 3D were released. But like others said I am also pissed about how they kept it from us for so long. Then the only reason they did is because we all got sick of it here on xda and decided to bug the sh** out of them about it. Next time we need to not wait so long and get on their a**es right away
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Definitely will stay with HTC. They, imo, have the best quality devices. And yes ill say it also, sense rocks!!
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I will go with whatever company has a phone with the features I am looking for and it must be able to be rooted fully and I want the Kernel sources released in a timely manner. Build quality is one major thing I do look for. I will not switch from Sprint either...I get too good of an employee discount through my work(24%).
I was in Sam's Club yesterday and handled some of the phones and the Epic Touch 4G is way too big and feels cheap. I would probably not buy a Samsung because of how they feel even though the features and screens seem nice...way too big on the Epic Touch. But nice if they made a high end phone in a 4" screen or smaller like last years models. I am not sure if the screens would overcome the build quality...tough call. Samsung does seem a little better lately with support though.
The Photon felt really nice. It felt solid and seemed to have nice features including a nice kickstand. The styling is a nice change as well. I would consider a Motorola based on build quality and features but I wouldn't buy one until a full root was achieved. They seem better lately but I don't trust them as a company.
The HTC EVO Design 4G felt the best of the bunch. I would love that phone if it had the specs of some of the higher end phones. The build quality was great. It reminded me of the Nexus One based on how it has the unibody type build to it. I would consider this phone in a heartbeat if it had a dual core processor.
The EVO 3D was nice as well but I hate the fact I would be buying a phone with 3D. Even though I could turn it off I hate knowing I am paying for a feature like that which I don't care about. Give me the EVO 3D specs in the EVO Design body/screen size minus the 3D and I'd be in heaven.
It is just too bad you have to buy a tablet sized screen to get the best specs anymore. After owning the EVO Shift as my first smartphone and using Swype and Swift Key X I will not buy another phone with a hardware keyboard but I will also not buy a phone with a screen larger than 4" so I am in a sort of dilemma as I don't have a lot of choices these days in high end phones. Hopefully by January-June 2013 there will be better options with better sized screens available. That Epic Touch just felt huge. There is no way it would be comfortable to put in my pocket.
Anyway, back on topic. Yes, I would buy another HTC but not out of brand loyalty or anything like that. I buy based on what the phone has to offer.
amoled looks soooo good that I'll be jumping brands when the time comes.
I'm actually upgrading from my shift to an epic 4g touch but strictly for issues with the device(ie. Messages, contacts, replacements w/ corroded motherboards) but I plan on keeping my shift and rooting it. Just can't stay with a manufacturer who can't do anything to help on a carrier who only cares about high end devices.
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Just curious to know if there are any details of upcoming Android phones in the year 2012? I have searched Google extensively but details appear to be very scarce.
Personally I would like to get a non-hardware keyboard phone for my next one (my last three HTC phones have had keyboards, and you can probably guess which phones they were!). So ideally would like a fairly thin phone, but with a decent battery in it. Would also like much more onboard storage (32gb).
Unfortunately details for upcoming phones seem to be heavily under lock and key.
What's after GNexus
Yeah I was wondering the same thing. After the GNexus, everyone's tight lipped about what they're coming up with.
Just tried a GNexus at the Bell Store (Canada) and didn't walk out too impressed. So I'm now anxiously waiting on other vendors to step up the game and introduce those ICS ready, less capacitive buttons phones already.
Let's see what they have in store for us in 2012.
we shud get something future proof. desire z is good. yes they can use ICS. but we lack a lot of cool feature. maybe like NFC? /: hope new phones are cheap and awesome like dz.
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we shud get something future proof. desire z is good. yes they can use ICS. but we lack a lot of cool feature. maybe like NFC? /: hope new phones are cheap and awesome like dz.
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The top of range of the new phones, one that is unanimously considered fantastic, will probably cost a hell of a lot. But as long as it isn't priced silly like an iPhone, then I won't mind taking out a 2 year contract if the phone is really good and ticks all the boxes.
I'm hanging onto my Desire Z till HTC comes out with another slide-out keyboard phone...
I want a new phone to replace my Vision - anyone heard any rumours about any decent qwerty handsets coming out?
Only ones I've heard about are the Dell Hancock and Motorola Droid 4 (RAZR with a keyboard). Both of which I doubt will get released in the UK.
It's a shame HTC haven't announced anything because my contract's up soon and I'm wanting a new toy to play with.
GSMarena seems to have the good list of phones, and some rumored ones too. I feel it's more a case of ditching hardware keyboards because of more time, money and resources needed to make them. Maybe that's why HTC is able to crank out so many touch phones but rarely any keyboard ones.
The few best out there are the Samsung i927 and Motorola XT860. Both are on dual core processors.
Here's the current list via GSMarena search for 800Mhz, 512mb RAM and up phones.
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QWERTY or gtfo. I wish there was a good candybar-style phone that had good xda dev support :-(
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QWERTY or gtfo. I wish there was a good candybar-style phone that had good xda dev support :-(
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Yep, seems like "the best" supported QWERTY out there right now, factoring dev support is the Mytouch 4g Slide. G2 comes the second. As far as I can tell, the dev on the MT4GS on CM9 has posted youtubes of his progress in their section. It looks on par with the progress of our DZ ICS roms.
But I don't want to drop my plan and head over to T-mobile. I'm comfortable with my provider.
I hope it doesn't come to the day QWERTY phones become a dying breed esp with XDA devs. The lack of "must-have" QWERTY releases are making it look like it is.
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QWERTY or gtfo. I wish there was a good candybar-style phone that had good xda dev support :-(
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Indeed. Next QWERTY phone or G3 like successor better have quadcore support, hi-grade build quality, all the feature of current flagships, heck GLONASS support and definitely no provider advertized phone like the mytouch series, plain factory phones only.
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Well, if Apple has their way in court, there won't be any Android phones anymore. They are winning patent case after patent case, and their goal is to shut Android down and have a monopoly on the smartphone market. Some think android is in real trouble... though it will likely be a case of Google having to pay a truckload of money to Apple. Gotta love modern capitalism....
Sheesh, didn't know the legal battle between them was serious enough for an OS extinction. The patent system is seriously corrupted.
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I know.. suing over the slide to lock and unlock???? Wtf? How can you patent an idea? It was an idea at the time apple filed a patent for it, way before the 1st Gen iPhone came into being.
Your right about patents killing a OS.
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Sheesh, didn't know the legal battle between them was serious enough for an OS extinction. The patent system is seriously corrupted.
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Apple just banned the sale of all HTC phones running Froyo and below, including the G2 (without upgrade), starting in April. If it keeps going this way, Apple will take over.
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Apple just banned the sale of all HTC phones running Froyo and below, including the G2 (without upgrade), starting in April. If it keeps going this way, Apple will take over.
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You mean filed a lawsuit to ban them, good luck apple...good luck. I for one am happy to see apple wasting buttloads of cash on crying about android. Next quarter they'll slip even more
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This is ridiculous. How does the DZ/G2 or even hardware keyboard phones come close to the function of an iPhone?
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This is ridiculous. How does the DZ/G2 or even hardware keyboard phones come close to the function of an iPhone?
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They're superior and sell more...hence why apple is jealous...they should be used to it by now wouldn't u think?
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Apple just lost one of them to Samsung recently. I really doubt they will win because they are downright ridiculous. I think the judges are starting to realize that apple is just sue-happy and thinks everyone stole their work. Pretty soon they start suing the produce guys claiming they stole their name lol! Idiots!
I'm curious about a new qwerty HTC also. The only newer choice we have is the MyTouch 4G Slide but it has ZERO dev support. I guess I'll see if I can make it until the next G model or something. My G2 is in pretty good shape so I'll be okay for a while, I hope
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Yep, seems like "the best" supported QWERTY out there right now, factoring dev support is the Mytouch 4g Slide. G2 comes the second. As far as I can tell, the dev on the MT4GS on CM9 has posted youtubes of his progress in their section. It looks on par with the progress of our DZ ICS roms.
But I don't want to drop my plan and head over to T-mobile. I'm comfortable with my provider.
I hope it doesn't come to the day QWERTY phones become a dying breed esp with XDA devs. The lack of "must-have" QWERTY releases are making it look like it is.
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Wha? They have literally 4 whole pages of their development section lol! what are you talking about?!
Unfortunately, Apple has taken the road of "if you can't beat em, sue em". They are just pissed because somebody came around, and gave people what they wanted, instead of TOLD them what they wanted. Like how about big screen smartphones, and the ability to move files without having to use Apple's crappy iTunes bloatware? And now they wonder why Android has taken the smartphone marketshare from them.
Now Apple is burning the bridges with other companies that made the iPhone what it is, in an attempt to extort Android from the top spot. Samsung has made the CPUs for all the iPhones, and the memory chips for many of them, until recently where Apple is now trying to move to other suppliers, so it can more easily attack Samsung without repercussions. And how useless would the iPhone be without the Google search engine, or Google Maps? Some have postulated that the iPhone location logging debacle earlier this year was an indication that Apple is trying to come up with a map and navigation solution so it can break away from Google.
Hopefully, the recent patent ruling against HTC will be tied up with appeals and countersuits. I don't see the smartphone landscape changing just from a few patent suits. And hopefully that would never happen, as I enjoy having a smartphone that actually acts like a computer, not a closed architecture iPod.
Back to the OP, it seems like HTC's is just starting to reveal specs on its 2012 devices. Of interest are the Elite (4.7" display and LTE on AT&T), the Ville (4.3" AMOLED display, dual core 1.5 GHz CPU) and the Edge (4.7" SLCD and quad core 1.5 GHz NVIDIA CPU). Unfortunately, no hint of anything with a hardware keyboard anytime soon, AFAIK.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/19/htc-elite-flagship-phone-and-4g-lte-windows-phone-to-hit-att-in-early-2012/
http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/09/htc-ville-detailed-htc-sense-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-thinner-than-iphone/
http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/08/htc-edge-to-lead-the-smartphone-pack-with-quad-core-cpu-optically-laminated-display-and-unibody-design/
The HTC Vivid (released on AT&T earlier this month) looks pretty nice. But the body is a little too angular and plastic for my liking. It seems that HTC might be (thankfully) going back to the aluminum unibody that it has become known for.