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Schmidt: Nexus One so successful we dont need a Nexus Two

Eric Schmidt's words concerning why the Nexus One was created and how we dont need number Two.
Initially, Google felt that they needed to build a device to help Android along so they worked with HTC to create the Nexus One handset. Schmidt says: “The idea a year and a half ago was to do the Nexus One to try to move the phone platform hardware business forward. It clearly did. It was so successful, we didn't have to do a second one. We would view that as positive but people criticised us heavily for that. I called up the board and said: 'Ok, it worked. Congratulations - we're stopping'. We like that flexibility, we think that flexibility is characteristic of nimbleness at our scale."
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-Schmidt-You-can-trust-us-with-your-data.html

Heh, google is the inverse of apple

...I would like a Nexus Two though?
What about a 1280x720 4" IPS screen, sub-10mm thickness, aluminum/carbon fiber construction, HDMI port, front-facing camera, Tegra 2 SoC, battery life that is amazing, and capacitive touch buttons that are actually silk screened right?
And of course, a unicorn detector

oh well, there's the answer to that. now we all just wait for the next developer phone, whoever google decides to use. let's hope HTC again or maybe motorola.

i would like to see SE get into the game and develop a phone that is 100% backed up by Google. they make good phones.

I thought the title was a joke. lol
Wow, damage control ahoy.

arcticreaver said:
i would like to see SE get into the game and develop a phone that is 100% backed up by Google. they make good phones.
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+1 on this. SE really dropped the ball when they attacked the smartphone market. The W series phones were cutting edge in terms of being music centric. The K series were really good too, my K750i has the best 2 megapixel sensor of any camera. The K850i was a real stormer of a phone too.
I don't know what happened in SE HQ when they moved onto touchscreen phones and the like. They were ahead of the curve back in the day but maybe their UI let them down?
Samsung are another company who made good hardware but ****ed it up with their clunky software.
I'm not sure how these guys turn the ship around but HTC came from nowhere and are one of the biggest mobile phone manufacturers about now. Surely SE and Samsung can make a cracking phone again and win some of the market share back.
Another issue might be locking down access to root or bastardising Android with a clunky shell. HTC avoided that with a pretty nice UI in Sense.

britoso said:
Heh, google is the inverse of apple
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That's why I love em.

Knew it and have been saying it all along.
The Nexus One was never supposed to outsell any other phone or become an income source for Google. It was meant to drive the Android OS and the hardware platform and as Schmitty says, it "clearly worked".
Android market share has rocketed and continues to do so and even today, 7 months later from intro, new Android phones are STILL catching up to the specs of the Nexus One.

markouk said:
+1 on this. SE really dropped the ball when they attacked the smartphone market. The W series phones were cutting edge in terms of being music centric. The K series were really good too, my K750i has the best 2 megapixel sensor of any camera. The K850i was a real stormer of a phone too.
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I don't know about you, but that's what I dislike about SE. Why couldn't they just combine the best walkman and camera in one phone? Instead, they made two phones out of almost the same hardware and charge a high price for each of them...

RogerPodacter said:
oh well, there's the answer to that. now we all just wait for the next developer phone, whoever google decides to use. let's hope HTC again or maybe motorola.
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Hey Roger, do you mean the next developer phone that's not under a carriers control and gets updates ota directly from Google?
I guess I am kinda confused since I assumed Google is never gonna dip their hand in the smartphone market again besides supplying android.

Namuna said:
The Nexus One was never supposed to outsell any other phone or become an income source for Google. It was meant to drive the Android OS and the hardware platform and as Schmitty says, it "clearly worked".
Android market share has rocketed and continues to do so and even today, 7 months later from intro, new Android phones are STILL catching up to the specs of the Nexus One.
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Amen!
I love the N1, and can't wait for a future device done the same way (without any branding). I seriously hope HTC is the manufacturer. Can't see myself using a phone not made by them.

ap3604 said:
Hey Roger, do you mean the next developer phone that's not under a carriers control and gets updates ota directly from Google?
I guess I am kinda confused since I assumed Google is never gonna dip their hand in the smartphone market again besides supplying android.
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Since android's beginning, there has always been Google's developer phone, the one that Google uses to write the android OS on. First was the g1, now its nexus. It will always be a vanilla android version, not HTC sense or MOTOblur or whatever. Perhaps the next one will be sold thru a carrier, but I think they will ensure it can be purchased unlocked too. We don't know, this is new territory, and The nexus kinda set the standard. So I'm anticipating Google will make sure the next phone can be had without the carrier influence as well.

I actually don't think there should be a Nexus 2 from Google. They should just stick to what they do best and make great software. I don't think selling physical products is their thing and the Nexus One has served it's purpose of demonstrating the potential of Android.
Hopefully the plan is to dramatically improve the UI with Gingerbread and convince manufacturers like HTC and Motorola to run vanilla Android. They can release new versions of Android and leave it up to the manufacturers to deliver the updates.

I'm done with SE, myself. I followed them for a little while with a P990i, then Xperia X1 and was going to get an X10... but glad I got a Nexus One instead.
High-priced pieces of trash, they are. I know the X1 was HTC built and rebranded, but WinMo was so laggy on it and SE slapped an $800 price tag on it. Enough to wake you up.

So there won't be a N1 successor ??

adamwjohnson5 said:
I actually don't think there should be a Nexus 2 from Google. They should just stick to what they do best and make great software. I don't think selling physical products is their thing and the Nexus One has served it's purpose of demonstrating the potential of Android.
Hopefully the plan is to dramatically improve the UI with Gingerbread and convince manufacturers like HTC and Motorola to run vanilla Android. They can release new versions of Android and leave it up to the manufacturers to deliver the updates.
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Sure is nice having Google dictate what goes on the phone and not T-Mobile or AT&T or whoever. I think I'd opt for a slightly weaker phone over one with Sense UI and branding all over it.
I guess I'll be buying whichever dev phone is popular at the time, or making damn sure the phone has Cyanogen et al behind it and that it is vanilla.

No N2?!? Oh come on! It's not like they have to do much. Just make it a 4" screen, swap in a better 3D co-processor, slap a real keyboard on it and call it a day. I'd buy that off-contract any day!

I would agree that the N1 put android on the map, at the centre. They have multiple partners now SPAMMING rediculously good phones for android, the consumers know about it and WANT it, theyve done their task. Let them get back to making the OS orgasmic, and let HTC etc make phones that can vibrate

Like a guy said eariler this is whats called damage control. The N1 didn't start anything with Android OS, it was the Droid that did that. The N1 is a tiny blip on the radar of Android sales. The N1 failed and this is an arrogant look at the N1. The fact of the matter is HTC was planning 1ghz phones regardless of the N1 existance or not, remeber that phone list that was leaked last year of all the phones coming out this year? I love my N1 but lets face it google dropped the ball on it.
1. restrictions on the subdizing
2. restrictions on the type of plan
3. No dummy phones for TMO stores
IMO if they would have stuck the N1 in stores made it easy like Droid, Samsung Vibrant, and EVO, then N1 at the time would have been a mega hit. It was the first phone (that I can remember) with a ghz processor ppl would have went nuts for it because of the speed and its a really sexy looking phone.

Phone upgrades.

I'm one for technical innovation, don't get me wrong. I'm loving all the new tech that comes out. The atrix 4g basically wet my panties with its specs.
BUT. I hate how youhave top of the line equipment one day, then 6 months later it is completely outclassed.
Imagine if the video game systems did this?
The gamecube/xbox cam out in 2001
The 360 came out in 2005
The wii in 06
The ps2 is STILL kicken, but its original life was from 2000-2006
And the 360 and ps3 are here for a while to come. That much is clear. Why? Because the hardware is still underutilized!
Yeah, there were remakes, but nothing was remade to the poin where you were just "I HAVE TO UPGRADE."
they build stuff that's aheadof their times. Just recently the gamecube was found to have hidden 3d connectors!
Also, when there is a remake of a system, its usually a LOT cheaper, mostl because the cost of the tech drops. Look at the xbox 360 kinect.
Its like thedifferencebetween the galaxy s and nexus s, yet its CHEAPER!
Now look what else samsung is doing
Our Vibrant Brethren got fluffed big time. T-mo is getting a "Vibrant 4g" which is the vibrant with the original galaxy s specs (same thing but with hspa+ and ffc) and....RUNNING TW FROYO!!!!!!
Samsung is the company I wouldn't wanna follow. I've always loved samsungs hardware. Its always top of the line. But I've never had a samsung phone before this one, and I'm pretty sure this is gonna be my last -_- I thought all the stories about samsungs horrible track record regarding updates was a bunch of hoopla becaue my hero was updated regularly. My thought was "lol if htc is pushing these updates out, imagine samsungs speed!"
Boy was I wrong.
If it wasn't for the android dev community, samsungs android phones would've been dead a long time ago. They should realize this.
/endrant
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A_Flying_Fox said:
I'm one for technical innovation, don't get me wrong. I'm loving all the new tech that comes out. The atrix 4g basically wet my panties with its specs.
BUT. I hate how youhave top of the line equipment one day, then 6 months later it is completely outclassed.
Imagine if the video game systems did this?
The gamecube/xbox cam out in 2001
The 360 came out in 2005
The wii in 06
The ps2 is STILL kicken, but its original life was from 2000-2006
And the 360 and ps3 are here for a while to come. That much is clear. Why? Because the hardware is still underutilized!
Yeah, there were remakes, but nothing was remade to the poin where you were just "I HAVE TO UPGRADE."
they build stuff that's aheadof their times. Just recently the gamecube was found to have hidden 3d connectors!
Also, when there is a remake of a system, its usually a LOT cheaper, mostl because the cost of the tech drops. Look at the xbox 360 kinect.
Its like thedifferencebetween the galaxy s and nexus s, yet its CHEAPER!
Now look what else samsung is doing
Our Vibrant Brethren got fluffed big time. T-mo is getting a "Vibrant 4g" which is the vibrant with the original galaxy s specs (same thing but with hspa+ and ffc) and....RUNNING TW FROYO!!!!!!
Samsung is the company I wouldn't wanna follow. I've always loved samsungs hardware. Its always top of the line. But I've never had a samsung phone before this one, and I'm pretty sure this is gonna be my last -_- I thought all the stories about samsungs horrible track record regarding updates was a bunch of hoopla becaue my hero was updated regularly. My thought was "lol if htc is pushing these updates out, imagine samsungs speed!"
Boy was I wrong.
If it wasn't for the android dev community, samsungs android phones would've been dead a long time ago. They should realize this.
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I agree with you 497%
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/114/1143070p1.html
just a little link I found about the ps3 totally unrelated to this forum but hey

Intersting observation and comparison. I think the difference is that it takes so much development to introduce a new system that the entire process is excessively costly. From my understanding, each manufacturer (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft) loses money on each system sold because the costs are so high. They recoup the costs in peripherals and software development (getting game devlopers onboard to make games for their systems). Phone manufacturers make their money on the front end (phone sales) so they have every incentive to continue pushing out as many new phones as possible to cover every segment of the available phone market.
Different ideas at play.

tphillips78 said:
I agree with you 497%
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/114/1143070p1.html
just a little link I found about the ps3 totally unrelated to this forum but hey
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Lol sony really hates having open software. If they REALLY go through the effort of designing a Whole new system JUST to do what htc thought they did with the g2, then the video game world as we know it will clearly be gone.
They sould just pull a nintendo. "Hey, If you manage to hack it, whatevs. But ifyou accidentally update and we brick it, don't get mad boo "
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running_the_dream said:
Intersting observation and comparison. I think the difference is that it takes so much development to introduce a new system that the entire process is excessively costly. From my understanding, each manufacturer (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft) loses money on each system sold because the costs are so high. They recoup the costs in peripherals and software development (getting game devlopers onboard to make games for their systems). Phone manufacturers make their money on the front end (phone sales) so they have every incentive to continue pushing out as many new phones as possible to cover every segment of the available phone market.
Different ideas at play.
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But they're catering to the SAME individuals with ever release everyfew months.
Look at the HD2 and HD7 -_- STUFF LIK THAT KILLS ME
REALLY HTC? THE HD2 CAN'T HNDLE WINDOWS PHONE 7 BUT THE SAME HARDWARE RELEASED A YEAR LATER CAN?

Btw thanks for not flaming even though I was ranting
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A_Flying_Fox said:
Lol sony really hates having open software. If they REALLY go through the effort of designing a Whole new system JUST to do what htc thought they did with the g2, then the video game world as we know it will clearly be gone.
They sould just pull a nintendo. "Hey, If you manage to hack it, whatevs. But ifyou accidentally update and we brick it, don't get mad boo "
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Lol what gets me is that they complain about the ps3 being hacked what about when the playstayion phone comes out on android? Back to Samsung/Sprint for a hot second though. If samsung can release Froyo on all these other carriers worldwide with the TW interface what's truly stopping them from a US release? Is it the fact that if its ready for one carrier and not the others the others ***** threatening to drop samsung support for there customers? That's my opinion on the subject. If and when Froyo is released it will be on all carriers at the same time
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tphillips78 said:
Lol what gets me is that they complain about the ps3 being hacked what about when the playstayion phone comes out on android? Back to Samsung/Sprint for a hot second though. If samsung can release Froyo on all these other carriers worldwide with the TW interface what's truly stopping them from a US release? Is it the fact that if its ready for one carrier and not the others the others ***** threatening to drop samsung support for there customers? That's my opinion on the subject. If and when Froyo is released it will be on all carriers at the same time
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Yeah they're probably gonna go the moto route and put a blocked bootloader and then drop all support if you root it lol.
But yeah bck to sammy/sprint, I though about that. Until the nexus s came out with gingerbread on tmo.
Same hardware, latest software. So its clearly possible to put the latest software in.
What if its google?
I mean...so far only the nexus s has gingerread, but all the phones at ces blow the pants off the NS and NONE of them were running gingerbread (cept the arc I guess).
I just wish that they would embrace the O in AOSP.
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A_Flying_Fox said:
Yeah they're probably gonna go the moto route and put a blocked bootloader and then drop all support if you root it lol.
But yeah bck to sammy/sprint, I though about that. Until the nexus s came out with gingerbread on tmo.
Same hardware, latest software. So its clearly possible to put the latest software in.
What if its google?
I mean...so far only the nexus s has gingerread, but all the phones at ces blow the pants off the NS and NONE of them were running gingerbread (cept the arc I guess).
I just wish that they would embrace the O in AOSP.
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Very true it could very well be google to promote their "Flagship Device" oddly enough made by Samsung. Which is only available at Best Buy I believe still and not through T-Moblie Corporate (why I don't know). The only reason I don't think that it is Google is the fact that Google has promoted the "O" in AOSP to the fullest if they didn't we wouldn't be on this site with this discussion. Sammy could have struck a deal worth millions with Google to have their device pushed through so quickly. I still have yet to play with one. From what I have heard it's not very sturdy. That's from friends and acquaintances at Best Buy. They recommend the Vibrant over that thing if T-Mobile is your thing.

There is also the issue of phone contracts. So they are not catering to the same exact customers. For example, I am out of the market because I recently purchased the Epic. But, there are other people whose contracts are just ending or will be ending soon. So they constantly need the next new thing out there to entice those folks into paying customers. Video game hardware is different because there are new video games (as opposed to new phones). The games developers make better games over time by learning the hardware. While phone manufacters make better (usually) phones over time.

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There is also the issue of phone contracts. So they are not catering to the same exact customers. For example, I am out of the market because I recently purchased the Epic. But, there are other people whose contracts are just ending or will be ending soon. So they constantly need the next new thing out there to entice those folks into paying customers. Video game hardware is different because there are new video games (as opposed to new phones). The games developers make better games over time by learning the hardware. While phone manufacters make better (usually) phones over time.
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And some games have better resale value than others. Imagine if Game Stop was called Phone Stop and you could trade your old phone in for half the price you paid for it and buy a new one. I think I just had an epiphany lol. That settles it. Who's in with me to start this company lol. We just need $50,000 to start. I take pay-pal too lol

Haha. It's a nice notion. Ebay is the de facto 'phone stop' though. But hey, I have $1 to pitch in for start up money

running_the_dream said:
Haha. It's a nice notion. Ebay is the de facto 'phone stop' though. But hey, I have $1 to pitch in for start up money
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True Ebay is. You have just shattered my dreams. Crushed my soul. Thanks lol

It may not compare to console gaming, but look at PC gaming which gets "outdated" faster than phones. Sure <insert game> will run marginally better on a high end gaming PC built today compared to 6 months ago, but the same game will play just fine on that 6 month old system.
I bought this phone in particular to future proof myself. The hardware on this thing should be more than efficient enough to handle anything thrown at it software wise until my contract is up for another upgrade.
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CapsLockKey said:
It may not compare to console gaming, but look at PC gaming which gets "outdated" faster than phones. Sure <insert game> will run marginally better on a high end gaming PC built today compared to 6 months ago, but the same game will play just fine on that 6 month old system.
I bought this phone in particular to future proof myself. The hardware on this thing should be more than efficient enough to handle anything thrown at it software wise until my contract is up for another upgrade.
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Yeah I will give Sammy that. The Hardware is absolutely unbelievable. I just get angry with all the software upgrades going around to other phones and not the Samsung "Flagship" (other than the Nexus S) device. I mean come on the Intercept has 2.2.

[Q] Why is Samsung so bad vs. HTC?

OK I had the Hero, and the Google phones by HTC on other carriers all had the same problem whether on 1.5 or 1.6 they all wanted 2.0+, most were very delayed, some other companies, Motorolla, have botched updates as well.
That being said, I came from the Hero where I liked HTC, didn't like not having a keyboard on that phone sometimes. I find that Samsung seems to be about equal from my perspective, I am wondering why so many people here make them out to be the devil and make HTC sound wonderful. Do you really think they don't ever mess up updates there and all their phones are better? I'm sorta lost on that point, vs. almost any other Android company. As far as I'm concerned, having a friend who had the G3? on T-Mo then I got the Hero soon after, I have found Google to be the delay...that or every company does it...
Am I wrong somehow?

Android users will *****, moan and complain until their faces are blue. Google has trained us to expect software updates immediately since they release them so rapidly. And if the Android userbase doesnt have the latest and greatest on our phones within even a month of Google releasing the source code...they blow thru the roof.
I had the Hero as well...and I recall being on 1.5 and everyone *****ing about when we would get 2.0. HTC got brownie points because they got EVO users 2.2 so quickly while Epic owners sat in the corner and watched the cool kids move their apps to their SD card.
We will be getting 2.2 on Monday...and then we will want 2.3. Its a process that will never end...
And the end of the day...Android users are the biggest pains in the a double s's ever. They cry, complain and moan and the sense of entitlement they possess is ridiculous. Software updates take time to format for different phones running different systems. Patience doesnt exist though. Thanks to Google...

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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Im not concerned with froyo honestly. Im concerned with bug fixes for known problems
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Ditto. I could give a crap about froyo at this point. If it doesn't fix all the bugs and battery problems, who cares. Airplane mode toggle, GPS, exchange connection problems and battery drainage, and DRM batter drainage are my biggest complaints. To be honest with you I would be happy if they fixed those things, cause it's a pain to have to deal with all of that. There's no reason why you should have to do all this tweeking to get your phone to work semi decent!

OP, this is true. If I switch it will be for greatly increased dev support.
I'm reluctant only because I will really miss the camera. I bought the phone for the keyboard but it has proven itself fairly worthless compared to the blackberry keyboards I'm used to.

I'm nowhere near the most hungry person for this new OS version (seriously, it's JUST SOFTWARE) but I have to admit it just doesn't make sense that a company worth possibly hundreds of billions of dollars can't update their "flagship" phones faster than this.
Yes, we all know Sprint figures into the equation somehow, but they sure managed to get Froyo onto the Evo quickly, didn't they? You can't tell me HTC, which is a far smaller and less influential company than Samsung, had less technical hurdles to overcome. (Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.)
Now Samsung and Sprint may be more conservative for the Epic's care, but their lack of transparency as to why is the issue here. It's largely about lack of communication. Sure, you can argue they don't owe us anything insider-y, but because we look at the technology as vital and spend so much money we want to feel taken care of and be assured our devices have value, and are valued. The phone should be better with this new version, but we probably shouldn't expect miracles either.
I just think Samsung, for all its admirable qualities, needs to really re-evaluate their product support. They've come a long way in mobile phones, and I bought the Epic because I liked the previous "dumb phones" they made well enough, but they also have a long way to go. With their smarts and innovation, I think they will be able to successfully reform. But they can't simply look at the immediate bottom line--competition in technology is too fierce now, reputations can get destroyed quickly, and companies which tarnish their brand can pay dearly for their errors. Just yesterday you had phone makers like Nokia and RIM high on the heap, and even Microsoft's Windows Mobile was once considered a potentially serious player--look at them now, struggling. It can happen to Samsung as well. But they can still make good, and maybe are finally turning the corner here in the U.S.

Most updates take a while for them to be released. There are always bugs that need to be fixed and the bugs are not usually easy to be fixed. The specs are slightly better on some other manufacturer phones, but the AMOLED screen keeps me sticking with Samsung. That and the fact that their charging ports don't have issues with falling off the mainboard like the Evo. It took thousands of complaints for HTC to come out with a reinforced charging port when they released the Evo Shift, but they still have not gone back and changed their manufacturing process of the regular Evo to incorporate the reinforced charging ports.
It is much easier to explain to a customer that damaged their ribbon cable when they dropped their phone with the slide open than it is to explain to a customer that their charging port is a common complaint, but since it damaged the solder joints and contacts beneath the port, they now have to pay $100 for their deductible or get a new phone if they didn't have ERP or TEP.

I really don't care what OS version im on as long as there's no bugs
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My guess is that HTC makes better android software to beging with.
I owned 2 samsung phones(Behold2 and Epic) and one HTC phone(MyTouch Slide 3GS).
MyTouch with only 600mhz CPU,512 ram and no dedicated GPU ran android(with Sense overlay) so well that it was unbelivebale.
MyTouch Slide 3GS with stock rom ran so much smoother and lag-free than my Epic is with any rom(maybe with exeption of Syndicate).I know people will say that its due to MTS3gs's lower resolution,while that maybe partialy true I think its because HTC takes their time to optimize android to run smooth on their hardware and has better developers.Samsung does **** halfassed,why not hire some better developers and make you software as good as your hardware and be number one phone company in the world?
I bought MTS3gs at launch date with 2.1 on it and within 2 months they released 2.2 for it,keep in mind that MTS3gs was not a heavy hitter,all 4 networks,flagship phone like Galaxy S is.That makes me feel that HTC cares about their reputation not like Samsung.
While my Samsung phones are of better build quality I would go back to HTC in a heartbeat if they had Amoled screens,but after using Amoled on Behold2 and S Amoled on Epic I cant,lol.
And one last thing why I think HTC is better-They release their source quickly.Why do you think all Cyanogens,MIUI and best roms hit HTC so quickly?

DroidApprentice said:
Yes, we all know Sprint figures into the equation somehow, but they sure managed to get Froyo onto the Evo quickly, didn't they? You can't tell me HTC, which is a far smaller and less influential company than Samsung, had less technical hurdles to overcome. (Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.)
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Uh, lets review history a little bit.
HTC is the manufacturer of the Nexus 1, the first phone to get Froyo. They received froyo before the release of the Nexus 1 so that they could write drivers. SIX MONTHS LATER, the EVO4g comes along running a SLIGHTLY different first generation snapdragon SOC. In fact, the EVO has near identical hardware to the HTC Incredible which was released a full month before the EVO.
So HTC had PLENTY of time to begin developing drivers for the EVO.
You are saying that Samsung didn't have more technical hurdles to overcome creating drivers for the first devices to use their hummingbird processor and PowerVR SGX 540 gpu than HTC which built the reference platform for Froyo 2.2 through their Nexus One?
The Evo has also received multiple small patches from HTC because their Froyo update was obviously rushed by Sprint so that they could run all of those annoying "first" ads.
Also, take a look at some of the issues people have had with the Evo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Evo_4G#Criticism
It has the same screen issues that my HTC TP2 had, which is the brightening in a small spot as an example.

HTC and Samsung are the same..the biggest difference is Sprint is Sprint released EVO as their June phone and wanted to be first to upgrade to 2.2 so they pushed HTC to upgrade faster...If you think about it they updated the international SGS at an ok time table (not the best but OK)..when it got to the carriers is when the issues started happening..
lviv73 said:
My guess is that HTC makes better android software to beging with.
I owned 2 samsung phones(Behold2 and Epic) and one HTC phone(MyTouch Slide 3GS).
MyTouch with only 600mhz CPU,512 ram and no dedicated GPU ran android(with Sense overlay) so well that it was unbelivebale.
MyTouch Slide 3GS with stock rom ran so much smoother and lag-free than my Epic is with any rom(maybe with exeption of Syndicate).I know people will say that its due to MTS3gs's lower resolution,while that maybe partialy true I think its because HTC takes their time to optimize android to run smooth on their hardware and has better developers.Samsung does **** halfassed,why not hire some better developers and make you software as good as your hardware and be number one phone company in the world?
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The MT3GS is using the 600mhz snapdragon processor is it not..that processor is pretty much an under-clocked EVO and GPU is the same..add to it the lower resolution and there is no reason why it shouldnt run smoothly..anyways on my Epic though when running 2.1 stock I had it smoothly no matter what I was doing :/
I bought MTS3gs at launch date with 2.1 on it and within 2 months they released 2.2 for it,keep in mind that MTS3gs was not a heavy hitter,all 4 networks,flagship phone like Galaxy S is.That makes me feel that HTC cares about their reputation not like Samsung.
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The mytouch series is T-mobile's brand...when your "branded" by the carriers you get more love...
And one last thing why I think HTC is better-They release their source quickly.Why do you think all Cyanogens,MIUI and best roms hit HTC so quickly?
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?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?..we are talking about the same HTC right? for the record Samsung releases source same day or within a week usualy..HTC on the other hand still didnt release sources for many devices eve after people have been calling them for AGES to release them...
What makes HTC easier is many devs have worked with HTC phones for YEARS even before they had any protection on bootloaders or anything..we practically grew up with them..and with the N1 it contributed a lot as well..

See, I just don't believe any of that and ill tell you why; the myTouch 4g. That phone runs worse than my HERO did with stock software. And it does everything slow: pulling up the dialer, installing and loading apps, pulling up the market, everything. Its honestly probably one of the worst feeling phones I've ever used (that weren't running MotoBLUR... shutters) and even launcher pro couldn't salvage it.
The reason HTC is "better" than Samsung is just as TC said; people here have awfully selective memories. HTC is just as painfully slow at getting this done as everyone else, they just got paid a ton to get 2.2 (not even 2.2.1 which I believe it still doesn't even have) out for ONE phone and everyone just forgot. I can't wait for the Evo to take 9 years like every other phone to get gingerbread/ice cream sandwich so people can return to hating every company evenly.
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bentiger said:
Most updates take a while for them to be released. There are always bugs that need to be fixed and the bugs are not usually easy to be fixed. The specs are slightly better on some other manufacturer phones, but the AMOLED screen keeps me sticking with Samsung.
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True,Samsung has the best hardware,and Amoled keeps me buying from Sammy.But when Samsung got a flagship phone that is out on 6 major phone carriers in US alone,plus 3 more in Canada and probably 5-10 more in EU and they neglect to update them and put in a little Extra time when making the software for them-Thats bad business.
Samsung have no vision thats why they will never have loyal costumers like Apple.Why year after year you see same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones?Because they know that Apple will not abandon them.First iphone2g,iphone3g,3gs still get updated with new features.Samsung just too stingy to pay a few extra pennies that will earn them millions of exta dollars in a longrun.

Thanks for that very interesting and informative post. I can't claim to know about the intricacies of writing hardware device drivers, but even so, with all its resources it's tough to believe Samsung had so much trouble. But to keep perspective it's really mainly a U.S. problem. In other parts of the world they've had Froyo on Galaxy S for months. We have the differing builds and radios etc. they had to cope with. But enough devil's advocacy...my original incredulity is still in place about Samsung, if not Sprint. If the update lives up to at least most of our expectations, I guess it'll be bridge/water.

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True,Samsung has the best hardware,and Amoled keeps me buying from Sammy.But when Samsung got a flagship phone that is out on 6 major phone carriers in US alone,plus 3 more in Canada and probably 5-10 more in EU and they neglect to update them and put in a little Extra time when making the software for them-Thats bad business.
Samsung have no vision thats why they will never have loyal costumers like Apple.Why year after year you see same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones?Because they know that Apple will not abandon them.First iphone2g,iphone3g,3gs still get updated with new features.Samsung just too stingy to pay a few extra pennies that will earn them millions of exta dollars in a longrun.
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Wut?
Every phone Samsung has released under the Galaxy S banner other than the 4 major carriers in the US got Froyo in November.
Apple hasn't abandoned the iPhone 2g and 3g? Interesting.

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Thanks for that very interesting and informative post. I can't claim to know about the intricacies of writing hardware device drivers, but even so, with all its resources it's tough to believe Samsung had so much trouble. But to keep perspective it's really mainly a U.S. problem. In other parts of the world they've had Froyo on Galaxy S for months. We have the differing builds and radios etc. they had to cope with. But enough devil's advocacy...my original incredulity is still in place about Samsung, if not Sprint. If the update lives up to at least most of our expectations, I guess it'll be bridge/water.
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Now this is something we should ponder. Samsung has ALL of the drivers already written for a majority of what is needed to get us to Gingerbread. They released the Nexus S which is the flagship gingerbread phone, and simply has to port over and update our 4g and cdma drivers basically. We should absolutely see Gingerbread in a very quick fashion, IF that is, Samsung is deciding to support this phone as they should.

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Wut?
Every phone Samsung has released under the Galaxy S banner other than the 4 major carriers in the US got Froyo in November.
Apple hasn't abandoned the iPhone 2g and 3g? Interesting.
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They haven't abandoned the 3g..it works by 2 years cycles..so 2g has been abandoned but 3g has not until the iphone 5...
That said it doesn't mean samsung has gave up on us completely..for all you know we may go up all the way to honeycomb and beyond...they just have been rather slow at it :/

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Why year after year do you see the same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones? Because Apple consumers are a cult made up of a certain type of people who are easily susceptible to being brainwashed by clever advertising and worship everything Steve Jobs says or does like he's the David Koresh of geekdom.
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Fixed. Half tongue-in-cheek, but half serious as well.

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Now this is something we should ponder. Samsung has ALL of the drivers already written for a majority of what is needed to get us to Gingerbread. They released the Nexus S which is the flagship gingerbread phone, and simply has to port over and update our 4g and cdma drivers basically. We should absolutely see Gingerbread in a very quick fashion, IF that is, Samsung is deciding to support this phone as they should.
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Sure, that sounds sensible except I might beg the question...why then not take us right to Gingerbread? ;-) Coincidentally I was at a Best Buy tonight and played with a Nexus S. It really is weird how it's so similar to the phone I'm typing this on right now, but Google's sponsorship of it changes so much on the software side...

Samsung Within vs HTC Evo 3D

I'm trying to decide between the HTC Evo 3D and the Samsung Within which is Sprint's version of the Galaxy S2. I figure Epic users would have some good insight on how the Within might turn out.
The one big knock on the Galaxy S2 I keep hearing is Samsung's lack of support and updates when compared to HTC.
Is this something that has really been problematic for Epic owners and do you think it will be a big issue with the Within?
Any input would be greatly appreciated.

There are a couple threads on this question, so a quick search will bring up several lengthy discussion to help with your choice
For the most part, I would say go with the S2
IMO, the hardware specs are a lot better, but the main reason, the one that trumps all others, at least at this time IMO, is the locked bootloader on the EVO 3D that blocks advanced modding of the phone
This is supposd to change, but until it does, you should stay away from the EVO 3D
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The GS2 stomps all over the Evo 3D. I saw one at the Sprint store and I was not impressed.

S2. Plus its completely unlocked.
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S2 we have odin
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S2 WiThin is the best upcoming phone to come to sprint, that we know about at this point in time.
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Photon is a good choice too. I'd probably pick the GS2 tho. Better Processor, Better Screen, unlocked bootloader. No crappy 3d, which I know you don't have to use it but still. 3d is horrible. It reminds me of those 3d greeting cards with the weird plastic.

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It reminds me of those 3d greeting cards with the weird plastic.
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Me too, it hurt my eyes to look at the one in the store.
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There were some articles floating around today saying the US GS2 devices may not even come at this point or could be heavily delayed. Lack of carrier interest based on other competitive devices or something like that.

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There were some articles floating around today saying the US GS2 devices may not even come at this point or could be heavily delayed. Lack of carrier interest based on other competitive devices or something like that.
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I find that hard to believe, considering the S2 has been Samsung's best selling phone ever, so far.

clankfu said:
I'm trying to decide between the HTC Evo 3D and the Samsung Within which is Sprint's version of the Galaxy S2. I figure Epic users would have some good insight on how the Within might turn out.
The one big knock on the Galaxy S2 I keep hearing is Samsung's lack of support and updates when compared to HTC.
Is this something that has really been problematic for Epic owners and do you think it will be a big issue with the Within?
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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Hands down the Within will smash the Evo 3D

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I find that hard to believe, considering the S2 has been Samsung's best selling phone ever, so far.
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Yeah, it seems crazy to me... I'll dig up links, running around the office at the moment.
It was something about when the GS1 came out there was significantly less competition on that level but now everyone and their Mom has that level of phone out or coming out and Samsung sucks for CDMA.
Obviously that's not my opinion and I am paraphrasing, lol.

Here's one: http://androidcommunity.com/samsung...h-delay-down-to-carrier-disinterest-20110708/

I'd buy the Within simply for the fact that it has either 16 or 32gb of built in storage plus the micro SD support of up to 32gb. 64 potential gigs of storage is pretty insane

i can has 5 row physical qwerty pls?

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i can has 5 row physical qwerty pls?
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No, shame on you for asking.
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Well, hopefully the whole, “negotiations with American telecom companies have dragged on” part won't drag on for too much longer. But I think if negotiations are still up in the air it doesn't look good for a summer release.

Most reports I have seen, at least for the Within, still peg the release at late July.
Considering the S2 is set to be the most popular smart phone EVER, I find the rumor of phone company disinterest hard to buy into, rumor or no rumor.
But gotta admit, only time will tell.

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Most reports I have seen, at least for the Within, still peg the release at late July.
Considering the S2 is set to be the most popular smart phone EVER, I find the rumor of phone company disinterest hard to buy into, rumor or no rumor.
But gotta admit, only time will tell.
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I certainly hope it's all BS. I am itching for something new.

Let's hope sprint doesn't gimp the s2 the way it did the epic just to make the evo's look good :/
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Htc again?

I love htc but they did us wrong with the kernal source. I know we got it but they made us wait a while. Even though we did well without is thanks to our awesome devs. I was wondering if all you out there will stick to htc or go elsewhere due to the support? Im not totally mad because like i said we did great without it. Let me know whats in on your mind.
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i'm still gonna support HTC cause no matter what they got the build quality and i love sense still the best

Yeah Sense UI is what keeps me with HTC, its just so pretty and their phones are solid, but here recently i have been thinking alot about them doing us wrong on source but HTC is where ill prolly stay.I have been looking at the Design too
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The build quality on HTC's are solid. The kernel source was really frustrating to me and the way Samsung is handling things makes me want to go Samsung next device. Alas I still have another year+ for an upgrade.

I love HTC I know they took a lot to release the kernel source, like everybody else the build of their phones is great, the htc loggers issue and now the wimax issue.. and still love sense no other manufacturer skin on top is better.
I just switchd to the Motorola Photon just cause it has a great build quality, better radios the international capabilities and is faster overall but the most important thing is that I bought it brand new for only 250 bucks that was less than half price...
But I would definitely buy HTC again in the future.

I agree with others that HTC makes a great phone, and I love Sense; but I'll probably go to a different manufacturer next time around due to the lack of communication from HTC about the delay in releasing our source plus the data logging being done unscrupulously by HTC.

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Yeah Sense UI is what keeps me with HTC, its just so pretty and their phones are solid, but here recently i have been thinking alot about them doing us wrong on source but HTC is where ill prolly stay.I have been looking at the Design too
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I was thinking of the Design too. I figured by New Years/Christmas that maybe the price would drop a little and i can get a good deal on it

It's true HTC did screw everyone by holding up the Source Kernel. I for one am truely pissed off by this. But that being said, I WILL buy an HTC device when I finally decide to retire my Shift. Because I prefer their devices to all the others I have owned (Samsung, Motorola, LG, Sanyo).

Rynomite said:
I agree with others that HTC makes a great phone, and I love Sense; but I'll probably go to a different manufacturer next time around due to the lack of communication from HTC about the delay in releasing our source plus the data logging being done unscrupulously by HTC.
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The data logging is done by all manufacturers... samsung's is called "carrier iq"... we will never escape big brother...
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The data logging is done by all manufacturers... samsung's is called "carrier iq"... we will never escape big brother...
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You can believe that , big brother is always watching. Here's a little tid bit for all you out there. I read somewhere recently that their are over 1 million surveillance cameras active in the US

I'm gonna stick with HTC because they have the best quality android phone with sprint. The samsungs and lgs feel like toys and also feel like if you dropped them they'd break. Plus Sense is awsome....
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Although HTC has delayed the Evo Shift kernel source they have stuck to their word on other devices. Look at how fast the kernel source for the HTC Sensation and HTC Evo 3D were released. But like others said I am also pissed about how they kept it from us for so long. Then the only reason they did is because we all got sick of it here on xda and decided to bug the sh** out of them about it. Next time we need to not wait so long and get on their a**es right away
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Definitely will stay with HTC. They, imo, have the best quality devices. And yes ill say it also, sense rocks!!
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I will go with whatever company has a phone with the features I am looking for and it must be able to be rooted fully and I want the Kernel sources released in a timely manner. Build quality is one major thing I do look for. I will not switch from Sprint either...I get too good of an employee discount through my work(24%).
I was in Sam's Club yesterday and handled some of the phones and the Epic Touch 4G is way too big and feels cheap. I would probably not buy a Samsung because of how they feel even though the features and screens seem nice...way too big on the Epic Touch. But nice if they made a high end phone in a 4" screen or smaller like last years models. I am not sure if the screens would overcome the build quality...tough call. Samsung does seem a little better lately with support though.
The Photon felt really nice. It felt solid and seemed to have nice features including a nice kickstand. The styling is a nice change as well. I would consider a Motorola based on build quality and features but I wouldn't buy one until a full root was achieved. They seem better lately but I don't trust them as a company.
The HTC EVO Design 4G felt the best of the bunch. I would love that phone if it had the specs of some of the higher end phones. The build quality was great. It reminded me of the Nexus One based on how it has the unibody type build to it. I would consider this phone in a heartbeat if it had a dual core processor.
The EVO 3D was nice as well but I hate the fact I would be buying a phone with 3D. Even though I could turn it off I hate knowing I am paying for a feature like that which I don't care about. Give me the EVO 3D specs in the EVO Design body/screen size minus the 3D and I'd be in heaven.
It is just too bad you have to buy a tablet sized screen to get the best specs anymore. After owning the EVO Shift as my first smartphone and using Swype and Swift Key X I will not buy another phone with a hardware keyboard but I will also not buy a phone with a screen larger than 4" so I am in a sort of dilemma as I don't have a lot of choices these days in high end phones. Hopefully by January-June 2013 there will be better options with better sized screens available. That Epic Touch just felt huge. There is no way it would be comfortable to put in my pocket.
Anyway, back on topic. Yes, I would buy another HTC but not out of brand loyalty or anything like that. I buy based on what the phone has to offer.

amoled looks soooo good that I'll be jumping brands when the time comes.

I'm actually upgrading from my shift to an epic 4g touch but strictly for issues with the device(ie. Messages, contacts, replacements w/ corroded motherboards) but I plan on keeping my shift and rooting it. Just can't stay with a manufacturer who can't do anything to help on a carrier who only cares about high end devices.
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