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Sorry Guys not a specific X10 question, but as an X10 owner I thought this would be a good place to pick your brains on Android tablets.
I'm Looking at getting an android Tablet to mount in the dash of my car for using as a sat nav, music player etc, There are alot of cheap 2.2 Android tablets for sale such as this Flat Pad one.
http://pcvision.co.uk/shop/product_...ium=product_search&utm_campaign=google-simple
Alot of them have USB ports for web cams etc, do any of you know if there are there any aps that would display the camera output so it could be used as a rear-view camera?
Can you plug in external HDD to the USB port so the memory could be expanded above 32GB supported limit for SD cards? (necessary if to be used as an in-car media center)
It also states "GPS Capabilities (when connected to wifi)" why would GPS not work without wifi?
Also listed is Skype. Is the android market different for Tablets. I know that skype mobile is coming soon for all android devices, but it seems that a version of skype is already out on Android Tablets.
Thanks in advance for your replies.
I didn't know such pad existed until you pointed out, so thx
From what I can tell from the description;
1. You can plug in external hdd
2. Android 2.1 not 2.2
3. The reason you need wifi for gps to work is because gps on android uses data, so you need wifi or it says you can hook up a 3g dongle, which makes more sense for using gps in car
If somehow you get this android tablet entertainment setup to work let us know and post some pics, would love to see them
Good luck!
If you are going to buy one, research it first. There are some very cheapo dodgy looking ones around, make sure it has good support and supports apps you need.
tris1979 said:
Sorry Guys not a specific X10 question, but as an X10 owner I thought this would be a good place to pick your brains on Android tablets.
I'm Looking at getting an android Tablet to mount in the dash of my car for using as a sat nav, music player etc, There are alot of cheap 2.2 Android tablets for sale such as this Flat Pad one.
http://pcvision.co.uk/shop/product_...ium=product_search&utm_campaign=google-simple
Alot of them have USB ports for web cams etc, do any of you know if there are there any aps that would display the camera output so it could be used as a rear-view camera?
Can you plug in external HDD to the USB port so the memory could be expanded above 32GB supported limit for SD cards? (necessary if to be used as an in-car media center)
It also states "GPS Capabilities (when connected to wifi)" why would GPS not work without wifi?
Also listed is Skype. Is the android market different for Tablets. I know that skype mobile is coming soon for all android devices, but it seems that a version of skype is already out on Android Tablets.
Thanks in advance for your replies.
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I know I have seen cameras that can connect to Android devices via bluetooth. Can't find them now, so might want to make sure they are available before getting the tablet.
You would need Wi-Fi with apps like Google Maps because it downloads the map as you're driving. Check in the market, there are apps such as Co-Pilot where all of the maps are pre-loaded, so you don't need an internet connection for navigation.
I'd wait for something like the Galaxy Tablet.
I bought a $110 7" Tablet (EKEN) out of curiousity Even with a lot of people customs rom to improve efficiency, they just suck. They're slow, poor battery life, tons of market issues and the screen response is poor. I'd wait for somethign reputable before throwing any money down.
I bought one made by Archos, its a 5 inch screen tablet. Cost me about $200 on Ebay but it has 1.6, Though it is a good product. it uses WIFI and is great for an internet tablet. I also think it has GPS built in, but cost money for the service.
Edit: I remember, not all archos 5 tablets are android. You have to make sure it says 'andriod'.
Imagine the idea of an xperia pad..........
Na hope not
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Is that real? Or just a big iPhone 4?
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Chinese pads are made with low quality and tend to die young and unexpected, i suggest to wait a pad from a etablished brand. Look for reviews.
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i miss my nexus one :'(
Wait for the Notion Ink Adam, coming out Dec this year. The Pixel Qi display even allows reading in direct sunlight, which could be useful in a car.
I guess I need to do quite a bit of research first, prob best to wait untill they have been out for a while and there is a bit more info available. Battery wouldnt be an issue in car as it would be plugged in. When I do eventually get round to it I will be sure to post some pics.
Something that would be good for a tablet is an app that would let you run more than one app in split screen as there is plenty of screen space.
Hello,
I got in contact with IK Multimedia, to ask them if they will port there IPAD app AMPLITUBE to Android...
They said they can't because there is "latency" issue in Android, not allowing them to have real time effects applied to a signal coming through the microphone input.
Do you know if there is a way to reduce this latency in Android?
Here is a link for you to see what they do with IPAD and what could be fun to have on an Android tablet: http://www.ikmultimedia.com/Main.html?iphone/index.php&fenderiphone
Al
There are plenty of guitar apps on android market, both free and paid. I don't know if they have the fancy graphics, but sure they will work well. I don't understand what android latency problem is
There's also some music composer utils that you can grab, i tested uLoop and it works great on Folio.
Android not like iOS from Apple is opensourced so it have nothing to hide. Still I kind of agree that there's some lack of fancy apps on Android. We couldn't forget that app store is older and bigger than android market, and just a few months ago there were just a few phones running it. This days it's rather different, I won't say that android will rule the World, it depends greatly on Marketing, but it sure will continue to grow stronger. By the way, how do you connect the guitar to you ipad, i will also play to play a litle on my acoustic guitar (which also has a connector to an amplifier) ?
Regards,
Bastospn
Plug your guitar...
On iphone / Ipad, you have a very good "connection" kit called Irig form IK, or one from Peavey (don't remember the name).
Cost is around 30€...
Cheers,
Al
Thanks,
I got an ipod 4gen i guess it will work there to. I guess I will give it a try as soon i get some spare bucks.
Regards,
Bastospn
After trying several Android tablets, i am developing a board for DIY in-dash system which supports GPS, Music, Video, FM and maybe DVD... Any feature do you like if there is one Android system in your car?
Voice call?
Camera? :laugh:
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nonstop2050 said:
After trying several Android tablet, i am developing a board for DIY in-dash system which supports GPS, Music, Video, FM and maybe DVD... Any feature do you like if there is one Android system in your car?
Voice call?
Camera? :laugh:
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That is a genious idea!! So you plan to integrate a standard Android tablet into a car so that the front passengers can listen to music, make play lists play movies, use Google Maps based GPS (obviously this would only work for SIM card enabled tablets). I cant think of any other uses unless you really wanted to make serious modifications to the car.
Seriously, if I were you I would delete this thread until your idea has a patent or two because this idea is gold dust.
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That is a genious idea!! So you plan to integrate a standard Android tablet into a car so that the front passengers can listen to music, make play lists play movies, use Google Maps based GPS (obviously this would only work for SIM card enabled tablets). I cant think of any other uses unless you really wanted to make serious modifications to the car.
Seriously, if I were you I would delete this thread until your idea has a patent or two because this idea is gold dust.
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Yes. That is what i want to do.
Basically, i developed a board and it works. Now, im thinking new features and going to complete the work. One day it may come as an open design for Android fans.
Internet on the way is possible as 3G connection(USB dongle) is ready. Google street view is an interesting app for driving.
# feature is a quality wifi antenna.. reasoning being if its parked near my house it can connect and sync media, etc. External USB ports and Host mode.
Outside of that it all really falls on software I think. One would be the ability to mount MTP devices, and find media on them to play.
I have been thinking about this for years, and originally I was just going to use a browser based UI on top of a very minimalistic linux install. At this point just a tablet minus the form factor and some of the performance (has to be snappy but no need to play angry birds at 200fps), for a bit less $ could make a killer head unit.
I love the idea of android in the car. But don't waste your time re-inventing the wheel, essentially building a custom tablet that will surely be out of date(both in hardware and in software) long before the product makes it out the door.
Compared to technology, cars last forever. *The only way to keep car electronics from feeling dated by the time the car pulls out of the lot is to have a "Dumb" car which can seamlessly integrate with user-replaceable off-the-shelf electronics.
Focus your resources on creating a device that does nothing other than act as an interface between an off-the-shelf tablet and the car. Then all that is left is a one-size-fits all frame for the console that permits you to drop in any (or a wide range) tablet the user wants. Inside the frame you could provide either both power & data over USB or power over usb and data/control over Bluetooth. Spend all of your effort in making the interface compatible with as many makes / models of cars as possible and working out how to get as much data and control over the car as possible. Don't waste your time on anything else..
Make this data/control available via a openly published API and let other developers build apps to display/use/control things and let Samsung/Asus/Apple/whoever build the actual tablets.
This approach is best for everyone. Less work for you on so many levels. And for customers it is great because it is future proof. In a 5 years (or 5 months) all you have to do to upgrade to the latest and greatest hardware is stop by best buy and pick out a tablet.
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I love the idea of android in the car. But don't waste your time re-inventing the wheel, essentially building a custom tablet that will surely be out of date(both in hardware and in software) long before the product makes it out the door.
Compared to technology, cars last forever. *The only way to keep car electronics from feeling dated by the time the car pulls out of the lot is to have a "Dumb" car which can seamlessly integrate with user-replaceable off-the-shelf electronics.
Focus your resources on creating a device that does nothing other than act as an interface between an off-the-shelf tablet and the car. Then all that is left is a one-size-fits all frame for the console that permits you to drop in any (or a wide range) tablet the user wants. Inside the frame you could provide either both power & data over USB or power over usb and data/control over Bluetooth. Spend all of your effort in making the interface compatible with as many makes / models of cars as possible and working out how to get as much data and control over the car as possible. Don't waste your time on anything else..
Make this data/control available via a openly published API and let other developers build apps to display/use/control things and let Samsung/Asus/Apple/whoever build the actual tablets.
This approach is best for everyone. Less work for you on so many levels. And for customers it is great because it is future proof. In a 5 years (or 5 months) all you have to do to upgrade to the latest and greatest hardware is stop by best buy and pick out a tablet.
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hi, cypho
Thanks for your advice.
Due to variety of cars(and tablets), I guess most difficult part is "a device that does nothing other than act as an interface between an off-the-shelf tablet and the car". Beside audio, power ..interfaces fitting to tablet, mounting and installation are blocking issues to make this kind of device.
There is another interface which has been widely applied in after market car head unit: standard 2DIN/1DIN stereo. Unfortunately, we have to put tablet into 2DIN/1DIN shield by this way.
nonstop2050 said:
hi, cypho
Thanks for your advice.
Due to variety of cars(and tablets), I guess most difficult part is "a device that does nothing other than act as an interface between an off-the-shelf tablet and the car". Beside audio, power ..interfaces fitting to tablet, mounting and installation are blocking issues to make this kind of device.
There is another interface which has been widely applied in after market car head unit: standard 2DIN/1DIN stereo. Unfortunately, we have to put tablet into 2DIN/1DIN shield by this way.
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I agree that is the hard part. Unfortunately that hard part cannot be avoided, weather you use an off the shelf tablet or build your own - it still has to interface with the car.
Really the ones who should be providing that open interface is the car manufactures. But they will never do it. They want to charge you $10,000 for an upgraded electronics package and then rely on those electronics feeling dated after 3 years to persuade people into buying a whole new car. How can they do any of that if it was easy to upgrade/replace the built in electronics for the cost of a cheep tablet.
The good news for you is because of the overpriced nature of manufacturers options if done right(sufficient polish and access to sufficient data and control over the car) you should be able to sell your interface device for big $$$. If the manufactures electronics option costs $10,000 and people are willing to pay for that, why would they not be willing to forgo the manufactures package pay twice that much or more for an aftermarket one that will never get old. Or better yet, imagine how much it is worth to someone considering spending buying a whole new car because their current car feels old.
Guys look here.
this dude build his streak 7 into his car. Just a idea
user_error said:
# feature is a quality wifi antenna.. reasoning being if its parked near my house it can connect and sync media, etc. External USB ports and Host mode.
Outside of that it all really falls on software I think. One would be the ability to mount MTP devices, and find media on them to play.
I have been thinking about this for years, and originally I was just going to use a browser based UI on top of a very minimalistic linux install. At this point just a tablet minus the form factor and some of the performance (has to be snappy but no need to play angry birds at 200fps), for a bit less $ could make a killer head unit.
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Hi,
Media Sync is a killer application comparing current head unit. :laugh: WIFI is working easily on Android. As you mentioned, quality antenna is a must. Thanks for your information.
exebreez said:
Guys look here.
this dude build his streak 7 into his car. Just a idea
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thats something i'd do if i had the time and money
nice idea
voice controls would be really nice and an option to let it read out mails/messages you are getting while driving
There are some good voice control apps in google play. Hardware should link to an internal or external mic for the apps.
Here I put an external one for better performance.
nonstop2050 said:
After trying several Android tablets, i am developing a board for DIY in-dash system which supports GPS, Music, Video, FM and maybe DVD... Any feature do you like if there is one Android system in your car?
Voice call?
Camera? :laugh:
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multiple cameras and external storage to store video streams from cameras
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user_error said:
# feature is a quality wifi antenna.. reasoning being if its parked near my house it can connect and sync media, etc. External USB ports and Host mode.
Outside of that it all really falls on software I think. One would be the ability to mount MTP devices, and find media on them to play.
I have been thinking about this for years, and originally I was just going to use a browser based UI on top of a very minimalistic linux install. At this point just a tablet minus the form factor and some of the performance (has to be snappy but no need to play angry birds at 200fps), for a bit less $ could make a killer head unit.
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You will stay in the car listening music instead of going back home to listen on our Sofa?
FocusVideo said:
multiple cameras and external storage to store video streams from cameras
USB camera and USB storage have been applied in the design.
USB camera can be standard PC web camera.
Full function samples will be done in several weeks. :laugh:
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hands free bluetooth profile would be good to have also.
JoelZracer said:
hands free bluetooth profile would be good to have also.
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hands free bluetooth profile would be good to have also.
Focus on fidelity
Your early adopters would definitely be those who are already putting in custom stereos. The main thing is that you want quality audio connections via RCA connectors, and avoid ground-loop noise like the plague. Even if what you created was just a a Bluetooth transceiver in the trunk...
-Charles
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Boll*cks I had this idea the other day.... then seen this. Guess I'll leave it to you good luck lad. :thumbup:
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You mean something like This ?
This would be great, if you could only make a dock for ANY tablet. The tablet that comes with this isnt probably too good. Having a nexus 7 in would make things MUNCH more intersting
Check out Sideclick for Amazon Fire TV and Fire TV Stick, programmable IR adapter that snaps onto the Amazon Fire TV and Fire TV Stick remotes that allow you to control your TV, sound, and streaming device all-in-on. A kickstarter project.
sideclick.jenn said:
Check out Sideclick for Amazon Fire TV and Fire TV Stick, programmable IR adapter that snaps onto the Amazon Fire TV and Fire TV Stick remotes that allow you to control your TV, sound, and streaming device all-in-on. A kickstarter project.
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Wow that thing is ugly. Funny thing is my tv remote already controls my Firetv and Tv and it's the one that came with my tv.
I think this would be really nice to have, my setup includes at least 2 remotes now and it would be very nice to have a way to turn the tv off/on and soundbar volume in one remote. Hope this succeeds
ahoslc said:
Wow that thing is ugly. Funny thing is my tv remote already controls my Firetv and Tv and it's the one that came with my tv.
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Thanks for the feedback. A lot of FireTV users like the remotes that come with the device. They are small, streamlined, and optimized for streaming TV. The FireTV Box can accept IR signals which is why your remote control for your TV will support it. However, does your remote control for your TV have the voice search option or a home button? If it does I would love to know the make/model.
Additionally, the FireTV Stick only accepts wi-fi based remotes. So your TV remote would not be able to control a FireTV Stick. That's where our product comes in handy. Ultimately, this product might not be for you but we have had very good feedback so far from users who share the same frustrations that we do.
ahoslc said:
Wow that thing is ugly. Funny thing is my tv remote already controls my Firetv and Tv and it's the one that came with my tv.
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Really? Fully functional (power, navigation, volume, etc)?
Which brand and model?
Btw--i think its a great idea...depending on price though, im not 100% certain a flirc dongle would be better. And i mean im not certain because ive never owned one. I do wish fire tv worked like my rpi does with tv remote. Right out of the box and theres an addon to configure keys the way you want.
Here is the Sideclick link for further review. Looks promising and hope it works out for them.
Thanks for link mjbxx
Thank you very much for posting the link, mjbxx. As a junior poster, it wouldn't allow us to do so
since the fire tv now accepts any bluetooth device wouldnt a dedicated IR/BT remote make more sense, and be less ulgly. thheres re already wireless remotes that are both RF and IR that work great with the fire TV for the same price as this ealry bird price and give you the benefit of a full keyboard as well.
For $30, hopefully cheaper if/when in regular production, I'll buy two. I only need power/vol+/vol- for one and tv power/sound system power/vol+/vol- for the other.
The design is kinda ugly, I'd rather if it were more of a piggy back thing putting the buttons on top of the remote over the empty space on the lower half of the remote, but I'll take function over form on this one.
I'm not knocking the concept product, cause I am sure its a good product, but its things like this that really show how lazy people have become. People cannot even pick up a remote anymore lol. I can hold and use my ipazzport mini keyboard and Fire TV remote at the same time. After the update a couple weeks back the cursor disappeared on the home launcher and sytem menus so I started having to use my remote again, and since up to that point I rarely used it, now I have to and its not a problem to hold both my keyboard and remote. I understand that this is not the same as my example, but if I can hold two remote sized devices in y hands at once, then most anyone else could too. The product is nice and a cool concept, but its too much. Kids in Africa walk 10 miles for dirty water and some people can't even hold two remotes. Something is wrong with that picture. Good luck to them on their kickstarter though.
porkenhimer said:
I'm not knocking the concept product, cause I am sure its a good product, but its things like this that really show how lazy people have become. People cannot even pick up a remote anymore lol. I can hold and use my ipazzport mini keyboard and Fire TV remote at the same time. After the update a couple weeks back the cursor disappeared on the home launcher and sytem menus so I started having to use my remote again, and since up to that point I rarely used it, now I have to and its not a problem to hold both my keyboard and remote. I understand that this is not the same as my example, but if I can hold two remote sized devices in y hands at once, then most anyone else could too. The product is nice and a cool concept, but its too much. Kids in Africa walk 10 miles for dirty water and some people can't even hold two remotes. Something is wrong with that picture. Good luck to them on their kickstarter though.
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You do realise that the very concept of a remote control is 'laziness' in itself, I once had an old TV where you had to go to the unit itself because it didn't have a remote control.
People have always sought to make lives more convenient, that's one reason why the remote was invented in the first place and personally, while I wouldn't buy one, a device like this would be convenient for me as I only ever use my TV remote for power, source and volume (it would also help prevent wear and tear on said remote).
So before you use 'first world problems' in a post again, look around you and think because chances are you've spent allot of money on things which would have helped those people for what could be considered 'laziness'.
I like lazy and convenient. Kids in Africa walking 10 miles for dirty water has nothing to do with me wanting to consolidate from 2 or 3 remotes down to 1. Having a FireTV and a TV to connect it to is all about being lazy. No matter what people have, it could always be better, easier, more convenient. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. I'd like to think it's better to have a FireTV with a 60" 1080p flat screen than a 13" black and white tube TV with bunny ears for reception and a twisty knob you have to get up to turn if you want to watch something different.
This isn't the right thread or even the right forum for first-world shaming, but I'm sure if you google around you can find a different site for that.
tech3475 said:
You do realise that the very concept of a remote control is 'laziness' in itself, I once had an old TV where you had to go to the unit itself because it didn't have a remote control.
People have always sought to make lives more convenient, that's one reason why the remote was invented in the first place and personally, while I wouldn't buy one, a device like this would be convenient for me as I only ever use my TV remote for power, source and volume (it would also help prevent wear and tear on said remote).
So before you use 'first world problems' in a post again, look around you and think because chances are you've spent allot of money on things which would have helped those people for what could be considered 'laziness'.
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LOL
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sideclick.jenn said:
Check out Sideclick for Amazon Fire TV and Fire TV Stick, programmable IR adapter that snaps onto the Amazon Fire TV and Fire TV Stick remotes that allow you to control your TV, sound, and streaming device all-in-on. A kickstarter project.
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Looks Great, but I'm sure there are other remotes out there right now that can replace all of my remotes, even my FireTv...
I don't think the product looks that ugly. It seems to fill a niche that the manufacture left wide open. Nice project.
Sorry, but that looks awful and cumbersome. Might as well use duct tape....
usaljones said:
Looks Great, but I'm sure there are other remotes out there right now that can replace all of my remotes, even my FireTv...
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Even the mic? Not saying you are wrong, but I'm not aware of any universal remotes with a mic that would work with the FireTV.
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KCFish said:
Sorry, but that looks awful and cumbersome. Might as well use duct tape....
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It's not the greatest design - I'd have tried to design it a bit different (not sure of the technical difficulties of what I have in mind), but considering how small the FireTV remote is in the first place this thing doesn't look too bad. Well, it doesn't look cumbersome anyway.
At this point it doesn't look like it will get funded. The deadline is Thursday and they have over $40,000 to go. That's too bad.
thesavo said:
At this point it doesn't look like it will get funded. The deadline is Thursday and they have over $40,000 to go. That's too bad.
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Too bad, and a bit surprising. Assuming the pictures are of working prototypes and they have the patents (or pending patents) already in place, I'm surprised they need $150k to start producing them.
Hi
I’ve just unearthed an old Casio portable TV ( small 2” screen) and it’s only analogue . Other than not receiving a signal it’s in perfect condition,
Shall I just chuck it or is there another use ??
Thanks
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Possibly use it as an oscilloscope display? Or even set it up with a faux-scilloscope screensaver for cool factor.
Put on desk or build into a pc case-mod as a temp/fps heads-up display.
Mount it tastefully by the front door, linked to a security cam or smart doorbell.
Use it in a retro-pi briefcase build for authentic on-the-go vintage gaming.
Link to a webcam as a baby-monitor.
Or just ship it to me and I'll do one of those things! Lol
Lots of possibilities.
A Google search for "NTSC transmitter" turned up some interesting results.
A lot of the interesting solutions seemed to involve a soldering iron.