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Reasons to root

My Nexus One will be here tomorrow, and I am wondering what the Pro's and Con's of rooting are.
I've rooted before. I had a G1, but I bricked it, accidentally. Won't stop me from rooting the Nexus, but just give me some reasons why.
I obviously know about cooked roms, etc. I've read about the Desire rom with Sense UI, is it worth it?
Just want your input.

The "search" function of the forums is a great feature. I've seen several threads about this very subject already.

Its definitely worth it! I enjoyed the phone stock, but when i rooted and went with cyanogen 5053. I couldnt happier. I thought the phone was fast already, but with the ROM, its a step above!
And plus some apps from the market are only for rooted phones. SetCPU (underclocking app) is one of them, and has helped me out with battery life. moderate use, i got about 18 hours yesterday with still 35% left on the battery.

MaximReapage said:
The "search" function of the forums is a great feature. I've seen several threads about this very subject already.
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I searched and didn't find much specific. Sorry we're not all search pros.
h2opoloplyr_11 said:
Its definitely worth it! I enjoyed the phone stock, but when i rooted and went with cyanogen 5053. I couldnt happier. I thought the phone was fast already, but with the ROM, its a step above!
And plus some apps from the market are only for rooted phones. SetCPU (underclocking app) is one of them, and has helped me out with battery life. moderate use, i got about 18 hours yesterday with still 35% left on the battery.
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Cyanogen always produces great roms. Maybe I'll give his a shot when my phone gets here

stuff said:
I searched and didn't find much specific. Sorry we're not all search pros.
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Lucky for you, I've made a great thread!
Check it out here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=655734

Its great how we have members that spam other members topics with unuseful replys just to get there post count up.
This is exactly why I don't post alot.
@stuff: I rooted my n1 and flashed cyanogen 5053 and gotta say it's alot faster! If your the kind of guy that gets alot of apps and games like me there is another feature of rooted phones called apps2sd. Apps2sd allows you to set a partition size of your choosing on your sd card for use of storing installed apps and games. That way you are not limited to the internal phone memory. Also as h2opoloplyr_11 stated there are some apps that require your phone to be rooted. Thats all I can think of right now as I am new to android and the n1 but I'm sure there are more reasons and more reasons to come as devs get creative.

stuff said:
I searched and didn't find much specific. Sorry we're not all search pros.
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And yeah, didn't find anything? Oh really?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=647719&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627362&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=643353&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=644524&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=640356&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=635182&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=629797&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=623855&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=620001&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=617116&highlight=root
http://tmobileg1fans.com/index.php?topic=262.0
http://rootyourdroid.info/guides/benefits-of-root/
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Operating-System-Software/Benefits-of-Rooting/m-p/101568
http://androidforums.com/android-lounge/54804-benefits-rooting-without-installing-custom-roms.html
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-nexus/38224-benefits-rooting-n1.html
http://www.nexusoneforum.net/forum/nexus-one-general-discussion/1078-benefits-rooting-nexus-one.html
http://onandroid.blogspot.com/2010/02/benefits-of-rooting-your-android.html
http://tinyurl.com/yg2phpy
You are just lazy and a liar.

Paul22000 said:
And yeah, didn't find anything? Oh really?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=647719&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627362&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=643353&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=644524&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=640356&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=635182&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=629797&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=623855&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=620001&highlight=root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=617116&highlight=root
http://tmobileg1fans.com/index.php?topic=262.0
http://rootyourdroid.info/guides/benefits-of-root/
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Operating-System-Software/Benefits-of-Rooting/m-p/101568
http://androidforums.com/android-lounge/54804-benefits-rooting-without-installing-custom-roms.html
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-nexus/38224-benefits-rooting-n1.html
http://www.nexusoneforum.net/forum/nexus-one-general-discussion/1078-benefits-rooting-nexus-one.html
http://onandroid.blogspot.com/2010/02/benefits-of-rooting-your-android.html
http://tinyurl.com/yg2phpy
You are just lazy and a liar.
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Lol i liked that last one. how did you do it?

Austin021296 said:
Lol i liked that last one. how did you do it?
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www.lmgtfy.com
That's how.

Eclair~ said:
www.lmgtfy.com
That's how.
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This was a prime opportunity for something like this! http://tinyurl.com/djtvaf

Rick7C2 said:
Its great how we have members that spam other members topics with unuseful replys just to get there post count up.
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It has nothing to do with getting our post counts up and everything to do with having a clean, uncluttered and efficient forum. No one likes to see the same questions asked every few days. The point of a forum is for it to serve as a repository of information to help and educate future enthusiasts. This guy isn't special and somehow entitled to create another redundant thread instead of using the search function like the rest of us do.. Not to mention he said in his original post that he rooted his G1.

uansari1 said:
It has nothing to do with getting our post counts up and everything to do with having a clean, uncluttered and efficient forum. No one likes to see the same questions asked every few days. The point of a forum is for it to serve as a repository of information to help and educate future enthusiasts. This guy isn't special and somehow entitled to create another redundant thread instead of using the search function like the rest of us do.. Not to mention he said in his original post that he rooted his G1.
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Why the hell isn't there an official stickied topic listing the pros and cons of rooting your device. The first thing people would see before they go asking repeated questions would be that thread.

Good question...the info was stickies in the G1 forum..probably still is.
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uansari1 said:
everything to do with having a clean, uncluttered and efficient forum. No one likes to see the same questions asked every few days. The point of a forum is for it to serve as a repository of information to help and educate future enthusiasts.
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Which is why the op's question should have either been answered or his topic reported. What could have been very simple has turned to a two page topic with only a few post that actually answer the question and it's not because of the op. It's because of all the other post within the topic that are completely of topic including this one.

Rick7C2 said:
Which is why the op's question should have either been answered or his topic reported. What could have been very simple has turned to a two page topic with only a few post that actually answer the question and it's not because of the op. It's because of all the other post within the topic that are completely of topic including this one.
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I'll add to it then...
Every time someone asks THIS question. It's about 10 pages of people giving different great benefits. What difference is 2 pages telling the guy to Lrn2Surch
If someone is too lazy to SEARCH for benefits. Who would ever expect them to accomplish rooting, and the various benefits without further questions that have been seen 100's of times.

It seems like I've seen this topic before.

New here

Hey im new to the forum and android world. Just bought a vibrant 3 days ago. Is there anything special I should know/learn about my phone or the whole android os?
(rooting dont know what it is just heard about it.)
I just switch from an iphone so any help would be appreciated.
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YoungLeiva said:
Hey im new to the forum and android world. Just bought a vibrant 3 days ago. Is there anything special I should know/learn about my phone or the whole android os?
(rooting dont know what it is just heard about it.)
I just switch from an iphone so any help would be appreciated.
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Welcome to Android!
You can start reading HERE.
There is a lot to learn. So start reading!

So kies mini is a maintance upgrade? Should I do this upgrade ?
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Welcome to the party....also read here and here

krook6023 said:
Welcome to the party....also read here and here
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totally forgot. Read those too! Those are great threads to read before posting up any questions, if you run into any trouble, etc.

One more thing...read and read and read and read. You have an expensive phone...all the info you need is here...but do yourself a favor and read for a few days so you understand what you are doing. That will limit your questions and headaches…
There are very helpful people in theses forums and they are more likely to help you after you have you have tried to help your self.

YoungLeiva said:
Hey im new to the forum and android world. Just bought a vibrant 3 days ago. Is there anything special I should know/learn about my phone or the whole android os?
(rooting dont know what it is just heard about it.)
I just switch from an iphone so any help would be appreciated.
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Congratulations on breaking free. Just one piece of advice in addition to the links others already posted - to make your life on these boards more pleasant, use the search before posting questions. There's a good chance the info is already available.

Thank you .
Im reading all this through the app so kind of.hard to read it all bearly getting used to the phone too thanks tho and I will start reading .
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Like everyone has said read lol
Welcome though! I also came from an iphone over a year ago and ive never looked back.
Sent from my vibrant running bionix 1.9.1 oc/uv/vodoo

Welcome
Like all ....welcome the above posts have provided links, remember a couple of things, Go slow at first before changing up the phone... get used to the phone. Look at the apps here and on the android market
Look at the development section in the Vibrant forum and read alot of the posting and links about the custom ROMs. The people who made them are superior to the service provider developers.
Once you are comfortable with your background/reference education then, start modifying the phone. You are going to find this is SUCH a good phone to customize, and way user friendly than others I have used in the past. Good luck, and welcome

Welcome +1!
We're here to help as long as the question hasn't been posted 15x10^n times =) Reading is integral to learning more about your phone. Peek into the dev forum but don't post any questions in there unless directly related to a ROM you've flashed (and even then search the thread for your answer [there's a search thread button at the top of the page]).
There are many good people on the forum even when the get short tempered due to "failure to read" syndrome.
Congratulations on a wise purchase, your phone is only going to get better (we've got some great devs ).
~SB

[Q] Can I install franco's kernel over CM10.1?

Hi,
I saw one thread where someone mentioned that franco's kernel needs to be installed over stock kernel.
However, franco's thread doesn't mention that. So, can I simply install franco's kernel over the CM10.1 kernel?
Any steps or links would be appreciated.
Thanks

Yes you can install it over the cm10.1 kernel.

Yes, in Franco's OP, he states that his kernel is compatible with CM. You just need to flash it and it replaces the CM kernel. If you update CM to a new nightly, you'll need to flash the Franco kernel again.
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gauravsri said:
Hi,
I saw one thread where someone mentioned that franco's kernel needs to be installed over stock kernel.
However, franco's thread doesn't mention that. So, can I simply install franco's kernel over the CM10.1 kernel?
Any steps or links would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Works good on stock too
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Using it right now with CM10.1. No issues so far. Give it a go, it's easy!

Just remember to reflash your current rom first if you ever decide to change kernel from Franco's. Else you'll get have problems booting.
via xda app

It is also written and confirmed in the OP of franco kernel lol Don`t you read at least the OP?

gee2012 said:
It is also written and confirmed in the OP of franco kernel lol Don`t you read at least the OP?
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Read? Blasphemy. Only fools will read OPs and stickies. And search functions are for tools. Much faster to spend five minutes waiting for someone to reply to my post then to spend ten seconds searching through the op
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snapper.fishes said:
Read? Blasphemy. Only fools will read OPs and stickies. And search functions are for tools. Much faster to spend five minutes waiting for someone to reply to my post then to spend ten seconds searching through the op
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For real. I always thought it was disrespectful to download and someone's work without reading the OP in the release thread.

estallings15 said:
For real. I always thought it was disrespectful to download and someone's work without reading the OP in the release thread.
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I always think it's disrespectful when people don't try and find answers before asking. People need to start thinking before they ask.
Pretty much use search. This is why I never make people use toolkits. People don't think. They don't learn. They just click a button.
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zephiK said:
I always think it's disrespectful when people don't try and find answers before asking. People need to start thinking before they ask.
Pretty much use search. This is why I never make people use toolkits. People don't think. They don't learn. They just click a button.
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Wow. So many senior members acting like trolls.:good:

gauravsri said:
Wow. So many senior members acting like trolls.:good:
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How exactly is that supposed to be a troll? It's simply raising awareness that toolkits lead to no good. By telling people that toolkits aren't any good and they actually invest 10-25 minutes sitting down and reading a stickied post and following it step-by-step is well-worth it. It's even more important than a lecture in class that people will most likely fall asleep through or not pay attention especially if you plan on tinkering your phone with custom ROMs / kernels / recoveries.
It's a basic fundamental of flashing. Using a toolkit gets you from Point A to B. But what if you need to go back because you forgot something on the way? You ask a question. But if you were at Point A and read all the directions and did it step-by-step as you go to Point B. Well, you won't be so confused on how you got there! Guess it's true that technology is outsmarting us
All of the biggest technological inventions created by man - the airplane, the automobile, the computer - says little about his intelligence, but speaks volumes about his laziness. ~Mark Kennedy
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. ~Albert Einstein
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Technology is great. It really is. But what's the point in doing something when you don't know the background behind it and how exactly it's done? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to install basic ADB environment and type some commands that you won't even have to remember. They're on the internet. There's a reason why someone posted that guide on how to do it. It's imperative and is stickied for a reason.
I'm a troll with 1200+ thanks. I must be doing a good job trolling the Q&A forums? You're a new member, Welcome to XDA. But if I am a troll, then you don't know the other side of it because there are a lot worse people than myself. Just use the search feature before asking things. Especially if it's in the FAQ of a OP post. as it does say,
2. This kernel works on Y or X rom?
A: This is one of the worse questions you can ask on my threads. This is a Nexus, it works on every rom you can possibly imagine.
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Read.... lucky that this isn't the Galaxy Nexus forum or something. You might accidently flash a ROM thats for the VZW version when you have a GSM version then wonder what happened to your phone. Reading is imperative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
I rest my case and unsubscribe from this thread.

[Q] Gotta make my mind up, which rom should I take??

Alright, so I'm wondering: Which 4.2 rom should I install on the Nexus 7? Thanks!!
UPDATE - Delete this thread, please.

Seat God not another one of these pointless threads. Look through the forum and you'll note that this has been asked and answered multiple times by the thread being summarily locked. Do you also ask others what your favorite food should be?
There is no best rom. Go to the dev forums, read, read some more, and then test drive the ones that pique your interest. Only you can answer the rom question for yourself.
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najaboy said:
Seat God not another one of these pointless threads. Look through the forum and you'll note that this has been asked and answered multiple times by the thread being summarily locked. Do you also ask others what your favorite food should be?
There is no best rom. Go to the dev forums, read, read some more, and then test drive the ones that pique your interest. Only you can answer the rom question for yourself.
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Alright. Delete the thread, then.

ill just close it..
Look op, you didn't commit a mortal sin, but really, as said; there is no best rom. The best ROM is the one that fits YOUR needs, has the look/feel you want, and works best with your apps. Go do some searching, and look for some that fits your needs, and then try a few. In the process, you will learn more about your device too.

First day ATT SG4 Questions

I previously had an htc vivid that I s-off'd and rom'd alot and before that I had a samsung infuse and I remember roming on the infuse to be pretty easy. So where do i start? I want to install cm10.1 nightly but I just got my phone today and I have no idea how to root or get cwm on it

VinnyCh4se said:
I previously had an htc vivid that I s-off'd and rom'd alot and before that I had a samsung infuse and I remember roming on the infuse to be pretty easy. So where do i start? I want to install cm10.1 nightly but I just got my phone today and I have no idea how to root or get cwm on it
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Start with these three threads, but don't limit yourself to them. You will find many useful links within those threads to help you as well. Good luck.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2301762
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2312444
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2295557

WTH, scott. you fast.
Good info as always

TheAxman said:
WTH, scott. you fast.
Good info as always
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I bet 90% (or more) of all "Help me!" type posts can be resolved with those few threads. Maybe another 5% need to be directed to another thread or two, and only the last 5% or so actually require more information than what has already been posted. If people would follow the XDA rules, search, and read what is easily available, most of them wouldn't have problems in the first place...much less need to make posts about them time after time. This forum has evolved nicely and people have taken their time to put together guides, solve problems, and create helpful posts. It is a slap in the face of those people when others don't take the time to read the information they made available. I see it all of the time, people saying, "but this is Q&A, I should be allowed to ask questions yadayadayada...). For some reason, to them, Q&A means I don't need to search, read, or learn, I can just ask a question that has been asked 20 times already (usually still on the first page) and people must flock to me with easy answers on silver platters! Of course, that is assuming they even put the question in the Q&A forum to start with. For some reason, they think they are above the rules or they are so special the rules don't apply to them. Q&A (according to XDA) exists to help AFTER someone has already searched and read on their own...not as a substitute for doing so. And saying, "but I searched", when it is obvious that no searching or very little searching was done only makes them a liar as well.
At most, people should only need to be directed to this information (existing threads). If they choose to ignore this help or if they think they are too important to take the time needed to read and learn...too bad. Fortunately, most accept the help and take advantage of the information, others, well I guess they just need to sit around, all butt-hurt, with their bricks. :laugh:
And to those that get butt-hurt...No, I'm not a Mod and I'm not affiliated with XDA, I just follow the rules that I agreed to when I signed up...just like everyone else is supposed to. DO you?
...and this isn't necessarily directed at the OP, I just happened to say it in this thread.

This is not unique to XDA. People on all forums ask before trying to find the answer. It doesn't matter how much good info is posted, most users want to be spoon fed instead of trying to learn on their own.
Even with power of Google, we see people post " how do I ....." On forums first, when the same query on google will give instant answers.
I can't explain it, but we are all witness to it.

alphadog00 said:
This is not unique to XDA. People on all forums ask before trying to find the answer. It doesn't matter how much good info is posted, most users want to be spoon fed instead of trying to learn on their own.
Even with power of Google, we see people post " how do I ....." On forums first, when the same query on google will give instant answers.
I can't explain it, but we are all witness to it.
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Does not excuse it in the slightest. Anyways I'm happy for the OP choosing the S4 but this is getting quite repetitive and needs to stop :/
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+1 to all
A lot of members like Axman have invested many hours in writing great "noob" threads. Very well done and easy to understand. What I never get is why folks invest a lot of money in this phone, and others, and don't want to spend time educating themselves on how to root it and flash roms.

Thermalwolf said:
Does not excuse it in the slightest. Anyways I'm happy for the OP choosing the S4 but this is getting quite repetitive and needs to stop :/
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Where have you been? Haven't seen you around in awhile.
Agreed though, getting old. Same issue, different name.

TheAxman said:
Where have you been? Haven't seen you around in awhile.
Agreed though, getting old. Same issue, different name.
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Life, and AOKP has been keeping me quite content but yea long time no see, glad to see familiar faces
Decided I should drop by more to help with these QA threads hahaha
To the OP now, don't think we hate you or anything, it's just you put like NO EFFORT into researching. The QA forum is here to help issues beyond just getting started.
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I started those guides thinking that everyone would be talking about flashing roms, whats cool, whats not, and so on, made them so anyone new could even understand, I must have forgotten that people just want to get a phone and start rooting and such, without reading because his buddy said it was cool to root and flash roms, even told him, here go to this site and get roms, and flash them. Then the process starts, a continuous posts of I can't , and it won't questions.
What gets me, you know they are not searching, because the post right above theirs has their problem right in the thread title. Saw one of those yesterday somewhere.
Ka dumb a$s, duh!
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Btw .. OP, I am going to apologize for semi hi-jacking your thread. It was wrong. Sorry sir. Seriously.

I think by now the OP has read your Guide, plus others and is now running and enjoying a custom rom--

rugmankc said:
I think by now the OP has read your Guide, plus others and is now running and enjoying a custom rom--
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This! Also I got very intimidated by all the people screaming at me. I did a bunch of research before I asked the question and was still confused hence the question I'm not an xda idiot but the s4 was already very big in modding when I joined whereas the infuse and vivid had just started to get cwm and root when I got them so I grew with the romers I apologize for looking so nooby since reading the first post I now have a auto Loki cwm and root access and am running the Google edition ROM thank you all for the suggestions and links
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Glad you got it--
Don't feel bad sometimes we need to vent--nothing personal
I came here in early May from the One S and close to 3.5 years of flashing HTC devices with the advantage of unlocked bootloaders thru fastboot. But, still felt like a noob here--still do--
Odin/Kies/Loki were all new. Esp loki. I have spent hundreds of hours reading probably a couple thousand posts. Still learning. It does take a lot of effort to figure this out for some of us--like me.
But, a good investment as one needs to not only know how but why--to not lose a pricey phone--
Welcome to the S4--Unbelievable Phone--:good: