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Hi All,
I have recently backed this kickstarter project: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...le-worlds-most-versatile-stands/?ref=kicktraq
It seems awesome and exactly what I am looking for but I am now concerned about the neodymium magnet attached to the back of my N7. I searched the internet and XDA but although I found concerns I found no valid conclusions about if a magnet like this attached to my device, not on a case, would cause any issues.
I see some people made some mounts that involved neodymium magnets, but it seemed like the device was connected to the magnets for short periods off times (car mounts) not long term/24-7/permanently like with this stand that seems so awesome to me!
Why no responses??
Any idea why there have been no responses? I would have posted this in the accessories section, but when I indicated it was a question I was told to post it here in Q&A.
I have seen that a few years ago people posted neodymium magnets would not be safe to tablets, but I wonder if that is still the case. Is there potential for screen damage? data storage damage? GPS interference? by having the magnet attached to the tablet, instead of on a case.
Does this also mean, that if I do get this product and the magnet is attached to me tablet, I can't have the tablet near my laptop (which has a regular hard drive or credit cards?
Thanks!
me personally, i would never have any magnets anywhere near my electronics no matter who or what says.
but the project and its devs seem safe as indicated on their page. just keep in mind it's your risk
Those magnets shouldn't harm anything. The only issue I can think of would be accidentally locking the device with the magnet.
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veeman said:
Those magnets shouldn't harm anything. The only issue I can think of would be accidentally locking the device with the magnet.
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ok stupid question from a stupid person....if the magnet accidentally locked the device how would I be able to unlock it?
ms_guy99 said:
ok stupid question from a stupid person....if the magnet accidentally locked the device how would I be able to unlock it?
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By pressing the power button just like how you would normally wake the device. Or by moving the tablet away from the magnet should automatically wake it.
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veeman said:
By pressing the power button just like how you would normally wake the device. Or by moving the tablet away from the magnet should automatically wake it.
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Got it!! I thought so...but just needed to verify!
Hopefully with the magnet being attached to the tablet it won't cause any issues. With the bigger/stronger magnet on the stand and the smaller magnet being on the back of the tablet I should have no issues with just separating the two!!
THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!!!
Can't wait for my stand!!!!!
I really love this feature on the phone. So much that i have found myself doing it on my Nexus 7 and other devices thinking they'll wake too. Nope! Have any of you been knocking other things around? he
With so many other people that do not have a G2, they seemed to be concerned over the buttons on the back. with knock-on I really do not use the buttons on the back unless I need to reboot.
pilot85 said:
I really love this feature on the phone. So much that i have found myself doing it on my Nexus 7 and other devices thinking they'll wake too. Nope! Have any of you been knocking other things around? he
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I actually caught myself doing it on my Nexus 7 today.
pilot85 said:
I really love this feature on the phone. So much that i have found myself doing it on my Nexus 7 and other devices thinking they'll wake too. Nope! Have any of you been knocking other things around? he
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If you hack the N7 and if there are any PGM kernels available for it, you can have essentially the same thing (I think PGM uses a swiping action rather than knock knock, but its the same principle)
I rarely use the power button on the back, I love the knock on feature!
Theres been kernels since when I had an Htc Evo that had the slide to awake feature, couple of kernels for the One have it along with a knock on and off feature but it has a very small sweet spot, still it was the only thing that kept me sane since I had to strain and fumble my One to get to the power button. The most reliable method was the logo to sleep and awake, you had to actually press down just above the Htc logo and half the time you would end up hitting the application drawer icon. I didn't care for the swipe over the capacitative keys function.
G2 you can knock on and off anywhere which is what sets this function apart, yes you can tap up top on the status bar to have it work every time otherwise you just need to get your timing down on the double knock elsewhere. I love this feature from LG, it just makes sense regardless of where the power key is located but honestly I find myself using the power key sometimes just because I like the way it feels, its one of the best buttons I've ever pushed lol for lack of a better word.
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I rarely use the power button on the back, I love the knock on feature!
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The knock on has worked for my about 99% of the time and I haven complaints. At most I tap a third time and never use the power button other then to reboot.
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I really love this feature on the phone. So much that i have found myself doing it on my Nexus 7 and other devices thinking they'll wake too. Nope! Have any of you been knocking other things around? he
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I love it!!!
pilot85 said:
I really love this feature on the phone. So much that i have found myself doing it on my Nexus 7 and other devices thinking they'll wake too. Nope! Have any of you been knocking other things around? he
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i was actually at barnes and nobles earlier getting my niece a cheap nook tablet to use and tried to knock on the display model as im so used to it now. the clerk was looking at me funny so i had to pull out the phone and show her lol
Knock-on and it's counterpart Knock-off are a very convenient feature that I'm confident to say is the MOST convenient method of turning on a phone as of September 2013. If other companies don't follow suit in either a very similar fashion or something better, I would be surpr..... No, I'm sure other companies will do something very similar. It's really that good. Only thing I can imagine would be superior is having the phone read my thoughts. Err, wait!
xyltha said:
Knock-on and it's counterpart Knock-off are a very convenient feature that I'm confident to say is the MOST convenient method of turning on a phone as of September 2013. If other companies don't follow suit in either a very similar fashion or something better, I would be surpr..... No, I'm sure other companies will do something very similar. It's really that good. Only thing I can imagine would be superior is having the phone read my thoughts. Err, wait!
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I can only think of one con of the knock on feature. I find that if I put my hand in my pocket or handle the phone without the intention of turning it on, sometimes part of my hand hits the screen twice and it will randomly turn on in my pocket or while in my hand. Not a big deal, I'm sure some software tweaks could fix the sensitivity.
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I can only think of one con of the knock on feature. I find that if I put my hand in my pocket or handle the phone without the intention of turning it on, sometimes part of my hand hits the screen twice and it will randomly turn on in my pocket or while in my hand. Not a big deal, I'm sure some software tweaks could fix the sensitivity.
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If the phone is in the pocket the proximity sensor should still notice it's covered and knock on wouldn't work. At least that's the premise.
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I can only think of one con of the knock on feature. I find that if I put my hand in my pocket or handle the phone without the intention of turning it on, sometimes part of my hand hits the screen twice and it will randomly turn on in my pocket or while in my hand. Not a big deal, I'm sure some software tweaks could fix the sensitivity.
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I have the exact same problem..
Not really when it's in the pocket but sometimes when I unmount my device from the car mount and put it in my pocket, I hold it with my thumb on the screen, leave the car and then dump it into my pocket. With my thumb on the screen, the screen turns on. The screen is especially sensitive since it's just been unplugged from the car charger.
This sucks, coz then it uses the capacitive screen sensor instead of the gyro sensor. It's not knockON. It's more like touchON.
Really hope someone or LG will come up with the tweaking of this.
the physical home button was something I did not think would bother me but it is a major design flaw. When putting the device in a case and closing the cover while in sleep mode the cover presses the home button taking a tablet out of sleep mode. so as I carry the tablet the screen turns off and on. this is with a case that uses the four corner tab design. Hopefully, a different case design will solve the issue.
This is the only issue I have had but it is driving me nuts.
hopefully with root we'll be able to disable that. why they chose not to recess the button is beyond me.
I wonder if a case that activates auto screen off and on blocks that from happening.
Does anyone have a case with that built in that could let us know.
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the physical home button was something I did not think would bother me but it is a major design flaw. When putting the device in a case and closing the cover while in sleep mode the cover presses the home button taking a tablet out of sleep mode. so as I carry the tablet the screen turns off and on. this is with a case that uses the four corner tab design. Hopefully, a different case design will solve the issue.
This is the only issue I have had but it is driving me nuts.
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What case are you using if you don't mind me asking
atg284 said:
What case are you using if you don't mind me asking
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The Belkin case from Best Buy
rap6388 said:
The Belkin case from Best Buy
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Is it a fitted case for the note 2014 specifically or is it a generic 10 inch case? I'm just not finding it on bestbuy.com
he note 8 still comes on with the magnetic case. I cant find where the sensor is on he note 10 . it's too dark and I'm bout to sleep.
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Is it a fitted case for the note 2014 specifically or is it a generic 10 inch case? I'm just not finding it on bestbuy.com
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it is specific for this device. I could not find them online either but walked into Best Buy and the Sales guy said they just came in the day before
rap6388 said:
it is specific for this device. I could not find them online either but walked into Best Buy and the Sales guy said they just came in the day before
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Thanks for the info...There are two sides to this coin. It could be a design flaw that the case accidentally clicks the home button. Isn't it their responsibility to design the case properly?
Note 8 has the same button design, I have it since the release date with Samsung's book cover, it hasn't been a problem. Waiting for a similar case for 10.1.
I bought the official flip case. It has a magnet in the front. Unfortunately Moto have used a rather powerful neodinium magnet. So, your phones magnetometer will follow the edge of the case around rather than true north!!!! This doesn't matter for gps navigation, but for on foot travel, and any augmented reality apps that use the compass this case will make the behave oddly.
I don't know what the long term effect on the phones compass will be, but I don't expect it to be good.
In addition, but for me I think it is a small risk, this magnet will be capable of damaging some computer storage mediums and possibly, wiping swipe card data...
I have no idea why they chose to use such an aggressive magnet. I can hang the phone from a metal bar with it, no problem.
Just thought I would share....
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I bought the official flip case. It has a magnet in the front. Unfortunately Moto have used a rather powerful neodinium magnet. So, your phones magnetometer will follow the edge of the case around rather than true north!!!! This doesn't matter for gps navigation, but for on foot travel, and any augmented reality apps that use the compass this case will make the behave oddly.
I don't know what the long term effect on the phones compass will be, but I don't expect it to be good.
In addition, but for me I think it is a small risk, this magnet will be capable of damaging some computer storage mediums and possibly, wiping swipe card data...
I have no idea why they chose to use such an aggressive magnet. I can hang the phone from a metal bar with it, no problem.
Just thought I would share....
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Good to know, i had my worries about this as well. Putting a magnet over the phone 24/7 didn't seem like a good idea
jaramigo said:
Good to know, i had my worries about this as well. Putting a magnet over the phone 24/7 didn't seem like a good idea
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its great for storing your phone on the fridge door though.. wtf were Motorola and google thinking. I think I'm going to complain and see what they say
helppme said:
its great for storing your phone on the fridge door though.. wtf were Motorola and google thinking. I think I'm going to complain and see what they say
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Yes sir, you should that. It is ridiculous to make such design mistake on an official case. I was about to buy one but after reading your story I am not sure anymore. Keep us posted.
Btw; you can contact Motorola via their official app Moto Care.
Glad to know, that I am not the only one who is concerned about that magnet. By the way there are two magnets. A weak one to trigger the screen on/off and a strong magnet to keep the case closed.
After removing the strong magnet you will be able to use the compass with the cover flipped to the backside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYiSdys0zYg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Edit: The strong magnet was on the lower third, where the cut is visible.
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TIL that official Moto accessory screws up Moto phone. But look at the good side: you can now keep it on your fridge door!
JoeSchmoe007 said:
TIL that official Moto accessory screws up Moto phone. But look at the good side: you can now keep it on your fridge door!
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spoke to moto care. sent them screen shots of the magnetometer all messed up. They said they will get back to me, but no one else has reported issues... *cough* bull**** *cough...
I have noticed today that even when I remove the case, the magnetic sensor is all messed up. It seems after a week of use it has screwed up the sensors calibration (probably correctable)..
evidently, part of the cheap price is a lack of proper beta testing of the phone and accessories....
I have ordered one from amazon. Now I will sent it back. I have my concerns too so I wont even try it.
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helppme said:
It seems after a week of use it has screwed up the sensors calibration (probably correctable)..
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With GPS Status from Play Store you can force recalibration.
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I can also confirm this. I have a white flip case but stopped using it after a week as it got in the way. I just put it back on and sure enough my compass was exhibiting the same issue. How did they miss this?
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Recalibrating the compass with the GPS toolbox app seemed to have fix this issue for me
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rec71 said:
I can also confirm this. I have a white flip case but stopped using it after a week as it got in the way. I just put it back on and sure enough my compass was exhibiting the same issue. How did they miss this?
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there is a small metal square on the inside of the flip cases backcase. I 'think' this is intended to shield the sensor from the magnet when the case is open. It clearly is TOTALLY inadequate to the task. I'm speculating this is what the metal square is for, as it corresponds in position exactly with one of the magnets in the case door, and this metal square is not present on the normal back case..
Simply lazy design and testing... why does it even need a magnet to stay closed :/ its like closing a book with a magnet lol, they get along fine without them!!!!
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spoke to moto care. sent them screen shots of the magnetometer all messed up. They said they will get back to me, but no one else has reported issues... *cough* bull**** *cough...
I have noticed today that even when I remove the case, the magnetic sensor is all messed up. It seems after a week of use it has screwed up the sensors calibration (probably correctable)..
evidently, part of the cheap price is a lack of proper beta testing of the phone and accessories....
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Any update from moto care?
eddiem74 said:
Any update from moto care?
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still waiting. Sent them a chaser..ill update
Thank you for contacting Motorola.
We regret that there is no possible solution. Compasses operate by magnetic field, and any interference with any compass magnet. There is no way around this.
If you are using a Motorola original case, rest assured that will not hurt your terminal. Imam to close the lid affects the compass but not strong enough to damage the terminal or delete any internal memory power. We apologize for the inconvenience.
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Thank you for contacting Motorola.
We regret that there is no possible solution. Compasses operate by magnetic field, and any interference with any compass magnet. There is no way around this.
If you are using a Motorola original case, rest assured that will not hurt your terminal. Imam to close the lid affects the compass but not strong enough to damage the terminal or delete any internal memory power. We apologize for the inconvenience.
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I don't understand, are you saying you work for motorola? was this a response you got from motorola??
Motorola cannot release an OFFICIAL ACCESSORY!! at a premium price (£20) that causes issues for the core functionality of the device. I will press the issue with motorola until they acknowledge their mistake and resolve to provide me with a refund, equivalent compensation or a replacement back cover that doesn't cause these problems.
Imagine if you bought a New car; You bought official seat covers for your car that the manufacturer heavily marketed to you, but they make the satnav useless. Do you think any car manufacturer would ever get away with this??
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I don't understand, are you saying you work for motorola? was this a response you got from motorola??
Motorola cannot release an OFFICIAL ACCESSORY!! at a premium price (£20) that causes issues for the core functionality of the device. I will press the issue with motorola until they acknowledge their mistake and resolve to provide me with a refund, equivalent compensation or a replacement back cover that doesn't cause these problems.
Imagine if you bought a New car; You bought official seat covers for your car that the manufacturer heavily marketed to you, but they make the satnav useless. Do you think any car manufacturer would ever get away with this??
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This is the response from Motorola.
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Motorola cannot release an OFFICIAL ACCESSORY!! at a premium price (£20) that causes issues for the core functionality of the device. I will press the issue with motorola until they acknowledge their mistake and resolve to provide me with a refund, equivalent compensation or a replacement back cover that doesn't cause these problems.
Imagine if you bought a New car; You bought official seat covers for your car that the manufacturer heavily marketed to you, but they make the satnav useless. Do you think any car manufacturer would ever get away with this??
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As long as the flip shell is folded completely over (so it is flush with the back) my wife's compass works flawlessly. It's actually better than my n4. As I only have one sample to go off of I'm not saying this issue is being over hyped but it isn't always an issue
ryan92084 said:
As long as the flip shell is folded completely over (so it is flush with the back) my wife's compass works flawlessly. It's actually better than my n4. As I only have one sample to go off of I'm not saying this issue is being over hyped but it isn't always an issue
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I've tried it this way. If you fold it completely flat, and line it up to the millemeter, the compass works about 50% well. It generally adjusts to north, but it flicks back and forth between north and where the magnet is on the case. You can also see the gauss meter jumping around a lot.
I suspect the magnetic power of the magnets in the case vary a large amount they wont be very expensive ones after all..
As the title may indicate, I'm getting really frustrated with my phone constantly waking in my pocket. I do like using DTTW when it actually works correctly, and carry the display side in against the leg to prevent damage... But i'm getting pretty freaking mad samsung over the pocket dialing, pocket setting changes, pocket flashlight activation, etc... I know this forum used to have all kinds of threads about this, some reporting faulty proximity sensors and such. I'm starting to wonder if mine has a hardware issue with the sensor because it was one of the first wave of phones produced, so the initial hardware revision, and my problem has never been fixed by a system update.
So does anybody have any ideas that could help? I always have accidental touch protection" enabled, and don't use lift to wake or any other gestures. I'm on the newest system version, I've cleared the caches multiple times... I'm just about mad enough to go demand a replacement, no BS, because losing a function like this should not happen on a freaking thousand dollar phone.
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As the title may indicate, I'm getting really frustrated with my phone constantly waking in my pocket. I do like using DTTW when it actually works correctly, and carry the display side in against the leg to prevent damage... But i'm getting pretty freaking mad samsung over the pocket dialing, pocket setting changes, pocket flashlight activation, etc... I know this forum used to have all kinds of threads about this, some reporting faulty proximity sensors and such. I'm starting to wonder if mine has a hardware issue with the sensor because it was one of the first wave of phones produced, so the initial hardware revision, and my problem has never been fixed by a system update.
So does anybody have any ideas that could help? I always have accidental touch protection" enabled, and don't use lift to wake or any other gestures. I'm on the newest system version, I've cleared the caches multiple times... I'm just about mad enough to go demand a replacement, no BS, because losing a function like this should not happen on a freaking thousand dollar phone.
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The gen 1 proximity sensor used on our devices is trash.
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Limeybastard said:
The gen 1 proximity sensor used on our devices is trash.
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Do you have any idea what revision it is on now? I can't find anything by googling it, I just know my about phone section shows a hardware revision of 1.0.
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Do you have any idea what revision it is on now? I can't find anything by googling it, I just know my about phone section shows a hardware revision of 1.0.
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I don't sorry, but perhaps they'll fix it for the N10 or S11. Joy's of first generation beta hardware.
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Glad I'm not the only one with this problem. Butt dialing, butt texting, butt email sending....this is the worst issue with this phone by far.
BranC85 said:
As the title may indicate, I'm getting really frustrated with my phone constantly waking in my pocket. I do like using DTTW when it actually works correctly, and carry the display side in against the leg to prevent damage... But i'm getting pretty freaking mad samsung over the pocket dialing, pocket setting changes, pocket flashlight activation, etc... I know this forum used to have all kinds of threads about this, some reporting faulty proximity sensors and such. I'm starting to wonder if mine has a hardware issue with the sensor because it was one of the first wave of phones produced, so the initial hardware revision, and my problem has never been fixed by a system update.
So does anybody have any ideas that could help? I always have accidental touch protection" enabled, and don't use lift to wake or any other gestures. I'm on the newest system version, I've cleared the caches multiple times... I'm just about mad enough to go demand a replacement, no BS, because losing a function like this should not happen on a freaking thousand dollar phone.
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Honestly, your issue, and the fact they got rid of the led notification light, are my only 2 issues with this phone.
I was having all the same problems as you are to an extent, until I just gave up cut off DTTW altogether. Now I just use tap to wake AOD and I'm actually just as pleased. But yeah, the proximity sensor is busted with this phone for sure.
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Honestly, your issue, and the fact they got rid of the led notification light, are my only 2 issues with this phone.
I was having all the same problems as you are to an extent, until I just gave up cut off DTTW altogether. Now I just use tap to wake AOD and I'm actually just as pleased. But yeah, the proximity sensor is busted with this phone for sure.
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I probably would do the same if I didn't have the plus model and also wouldn't be so bothered by this... But the position of our power button is just terrible for one handed use, especially if you use your left. That's why I'm in the habit of DTTW on then using the one handed operation + app to turn off. It's a decent bandaid for the otherwise out-of-reach button. The other thing is that it really isn't a compromise we should have to make in such an expensive, "luxury-priced" phone... I mean this wake gesture has been around for at least five years and I don't think it's ever been implemented so badly... I mean this was never an issue with my old HTC one or my pixel.
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I probably would do the same if I didn't have the plus model and also wouldn't be so bothered by this... But the position of our power button is just terrible for one handed use, especially if you use your left. That's why I'm in the habit of DTTW on then using the one handed operation + app to turn off. It's a decent bandaid for the otherwise out-of-reach button. The other thing is that it really isn't a compromise we should have to make in such an expensive, "luxury-priced" phone... I mean this wake gesture has been around for at least five years and I don't think it's ever been implemented so badly... I mean this was never an issue with my old HTC one or my pixel.
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And added to the fact is they removed that pressure sensitive or whatever it's called home button and moved the power button to the top - not as easy to use as it used to be with previous Galaxy devices now.
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