Hi,
I know there is a lot of comments about why root nexus 4. The reason for me is that I know there is a lot of small fixes which i can install (battery kernel... I think i can install just to rooted phpne) but for me the main thing is that I know in time I will get very lazy about installing new roms. I have htc desire and last time i installed new rom year ago. The same with my xoom.
So my question is, if i root my phone, will i be abble to update original rom just by going to settings-about-update? It doesnt work on my desire and xoom. But i installed unoficial roms there. But if i just want to unlock the phone for little fixes and still be able to get updates from google... Is that possible?
Sorry if it is stupud question,...
Thx
milos797 said:
Hi,
I know there is a lot of comments about why root nexus 4. The reason for me is that I know there is a lot of small fixes which i can install (battery kernel... I think i can install just to rooted phpne) but for me the main thing is that I know in time I will get very lazy about installing new roms. I have htc desire and last time i installed new rom year ago. The same with my xoom.
So my question is, if i root my phone, will i be abble to update original rom just by going to settings-about-update? It doesnt work on my desire and xoom. But i installed unoficial roms there. But if i just want to unlock the phone for little fixes and still be able to get updates from google... Is that possible?
Sorry if it is stupud question,...
Thx
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I believe that OTA updates just flash the stock kernel again, so you could unlock, root and flash a different kernel without fear of losing OTA updates. However, OTA updates will force you to lose root and you will have to flash the custom kernel again. You will continue to get notifications that say that there is a new update as long as you aren't also on a custom ROM
If you are running the stock ROM you will still get and ota notification. However if you've made any modifications such as a custom kernel, build.prop edit, system.ui edit, etc. The ota will fail upon installation.
If all you do is get root access it will install fine. You'll just have to flash the su binaries again.
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Actually, SU has a survival mode that will preserve root even after OTA. CWM will also protect ropt so you don't have to reroot it. My Nexus 7 has been stock rooted and went thru 2 OTAs without losing root.
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Sorry to hijack,
My question is, I am rooted with stock rom but have CWR and a different kernel.
When the next OTA comes, I would need to download the whole rom because of CWR and kernel.
Question I have is that if I want to flash the OTA, would I need to wipe my device or can I just flash the ROM ontop. I know my old device (DHD) I had to wipe everything before I install the ROM. The reason why I am asking is because can I get away with just flashing on top therefore keeping all my data on my device so I no need to restore it via titanium backup (I am lazy)
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I've been trying to figure this out on my own but keep coming up short. I want to root so that I can play around more with my phone, and use some of the apps and tweeks xdaer's are working on, but am not ready to flash a new ROM yet. I've been reading up on how to root, but it seems like any way I've found has me changing the recovery image, and or ROM. Can I root and still stay mostly stock, so that until I decide to flash a new ROM I still get OEM updates?
It's possible to root your N1 withouht flashing a custom ROM/recovery and as long as you keep your recovery stock you should still receive OTA updates.
You should consider flashing a custom ROM though; You'll get great new features that your stock phone wouldn't have (such as wired tethering or using all your ram instead of half) PLUS OTA updates since the devs usually patch them into their roms after google releases them officially
Exactly. OTAs take a week or so for everyone to get them. Why wait for this? Just get a custom rom which will have it built in the day it comes out (if not before hand).
Also I'm pretty sure there will be a manual way to force the update like there was last time.
That's a good point too ^
When an OTA update is released they get sent out to phones throughout the week, not all at once.
So when this happens a dev will usually get their hands on it and patch it into their roms, that way you can have it asap instead of waiting till you get your notification
So where can I find the best way to get this done. I've found a few ways to root it seems, and all are a little different. and they seem to have different software being used to get the same result.
http://androidandme.com/2010/01/hacks/video-how-to-unlock-and-root-a-nexus-one/
Thats how i did it. It was pretty easy.
whenever the custom rom is updated u have to flash again right? so u lose all ur customization (not the stuff u can backup) every time.. isn't that frustrating?
suffix642 said:
whenever the custom rom is updated u have to flash again right? so u lose all ur customization (not the stuff u can backup) every time.. isn't that frustrating?
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Titanium Backup can save settings as well as apps. Just do the Batch option that basically backs up EVERYTHING. I'm pretty sure that's what you're worrying about.
Just made the jump yesterday. Worth it so far. Seems way faster and smoother in every way. Latest radio update, ROM, and overclocked-undervolted kernel. Worth a litlle time to recustomize.
I just wanted to ask and see if anyone knows. Most the custom roms I end up having issues with apps I run, but they worked fine on stock. So I wanted to go back but keep my root access.
Did you back up your stock ROM?
If you did not, I think someone has the stock kernel as link to one to the threads in the DEV section.ts installed...
Edit 01: I am almost sure, you will lose root when a new OTA gets installed...
1. Back to stock
2. "Pure root" (stock Android with root)
Q.Entity said:
Edit 01: I am almost sure, you will lose root when a new OTA gets installed...
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Yes. Easy to re-root though, at least thus far.
Rooted roms renove ota usually, like Prime.
Hey,
I have a question regarding rooting and upgrading.
Before i root, I would like to know if I do root, how will I upgrade to KLP when it is released for nexus 10?
Do i have to restore?
It depends on the situation. If you root, using a backup app like carbon or titanium backup will ensure anytime you update or change a rom you keep all your goodies. If your root only and don't change your rom you will get the OTA and it will lose root (easy to fix) and your stuff will stay.
Changing your rom is a different story though
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So on stock...
altimax98 said:
It depends on the situation. If you root, using a backup app like carbon or titanium backup will ensure anytime you update or change a rom you keep all your goodies. If your root only and don't change your rom you will get the OTA and it will lose root (easy to fix) and your stuff will stay.
Changing your rom is a different story though
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I'm on stock, but when klp releases, can i just update ? Would jb> klp be too big of a change that a lot of bugs may arise?
For example, I used to have a rooted nook color, it updated and I got unrooted... There ended up being bugs even after I rerooted it...
I am just wondering is updating then rerooting the correct method...
add12364 said:
I'm on stock, but when klp releases, can i just update ? Would jb> klp be too big of a change that a lot of bugs may arise?
For example, I used to have a rooted nook color, it updated and I got unrooted... There ended up being bugs even after I rerooted it...
I am just wondering is updating then rerooting the correct method...
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It's stock Google software. I had a Nook Color as well and they tried to block root on it anyway they could. There is no knowing if the upgrade to KLP will be easy (history tells us it will be) and root should be on board almost immediately after release, at the very worst you would have to reroot but that is nothing.
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altimax98 said:
It's stock Google software. I had a Nook Color as well and they tried to block root on it anyway they could. There is no knowing if the upgrade to KLP will be easy (history tells us it will be) and root should be on board almost immediately after release, at the very worst you would have to reroot but that is nothing.
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Thanks!
Other question in the same vein:
I have a rooted n10, but I changed the kernel. Will I have to revert to update?
Probably yes, but worth a shot first, atthe kernel question. I'm just going to wait utnil a AOKP KLP comes out, myself.
About Key Lime Pie I read somewhere that KLP will ne only available on quad core devices..
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When you are rooted there is no point to updating to a new Android version via OTA. You simply go from the ROM you are on, to installing a new version of the same ROM based on the new Android version. Developers like to keep their ROM updated, so usually you will see all the most popular ROMs updated to the latest and greatest version of Android within a day.
If you try to do OTA then you usually lose root, you often have to re-lock your bootloader, you have ton verify you are on the stock rom AND kernel, and then still hope you are "stock enough" to have the update be successful. That is just way too much work and not worth it at all when the alternative is to just flash a new version of a ROM and be done with it.
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When you are rooted there is no point to updating to a new Android version via OTA. You simply go from the ROM you are on, to installing a new version of the same ROM based on the new Android version. Developers like to keep their ROM updated, so usually you will see all the most popular ROMs updated to the latest and greatest version of Android within a day.
If you try to do OTA then you usually lose root, you often have to re-lock your bootloader, you have ton verify you are on the stock rom AND kernel, and then still hope you are "stock enough" to have the update be successful. That is just way too much work and not worth it at all when the alternative is to just flash a new version of a ROM and be done with it.
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It depends if you are stock rooted or on a custom rom...
If you are stock rooted but have Twrp you could do the OTA reboot to recovery and root checker will install super SU for you
If you don't have Twrp... Nexus devices are easy to root anyways
Or use an OTA root keeper app
I am very excited to see that the new Moto X is about to be rooted soon (apparently). I just want root for Adaway, Xposed, and a few other niceties. I have no wish to put a custom ROM on the Pure.
But I have a few basic questions (sorry if this seems noobish), what happens when Motorola sends updates to the phone? In particular, when it gets updated to Android 6.0 Marshmallow.
- Would I need to unroot, install the update, and then root again?
- Would updating get rid of root, and would I need to wait for a new root procedure to be discovered?
- Is there some risk that I would need to re-install all my apps?
- Anything I need to worry about?
Thanks for info on this!
nibunnoichi said:
I am very excited to see that the new Moto X is about to be rooted soon (apparently). I just want root for Adaway, Xposed, and a few other niceties. I have no wish to put a custom ROM on the Pure.
But I have a few basic questions (sorry if this seems noobish), what happens when Motorola sends updates to the phone? In particular, when it gets updated to Android 6.0 Marshmallow.
- Would I need to unroot, install the update, and then root again?
- Would updating get rid of root, and would I need to wait for a new root procedure to be discovered?
- Is there some risk that I would need to re-install all my apps?
- Anything I need to worry about?
Thanks for info on this!
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Back to stock.
Flash Recovery
Flash SU.
It's an unlocked phone. You never lose root.
Or if you're going the whole hog -flash a custom ROM (stock or AOSP) and wait for the developer to promptly update the package
I assume with some patience updates will get posted here to flash. Stock rooted ROMs are pretty popular I think this will be no different.
tech_head said:
Back to stock.
Flash Recovery
Flash SU.
It's an unlocked phone. You never lose root.
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Your last comment is reassuring. I'm still learning when it comes to rooting; I had my friend root my Galaxy S3 years ago, but I'm gonna try to do it myself this time and learn the details of the process, and all that it entails (possible consequences, etc). Please bear with me.
Based on what I've read online (for example this article), it says OTA updates will break the root, but I can always re-root after the OTA and it's only a minor hassle (for phones with unlocked bootloader). Is that pretty much what you're saying as well?
So once Motorola rolls out the 6.0 Marshmallow update, would I need to re-unlock the bootloader (via this thread ) , and then re-flash recovery, etc?
At any point would I need to worry about losing any data on the phone?
I never seen the point of just rooting for apps and such i always rooted for custom roms but honestly if u want to stay with your stock rom and root it, with every update u need to flash that stock rom again.. Then update... Then reroot as some phone do loose root after updates..
Thats why i flash custom roms even custom stock roms all u gotta do is just flash the rom update and ur set
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I never seen the point of just rooting for apps and such i always rooted for custom roms but honestly if u want to stay with your stock rom and root it, with every update u need to flash that stock rom again.. Then update... Then reroot as some phone do loose root after updates..
Thats why i flash custom roms even custom stock roms all u gotta do is just flash the rom update and ur set
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I actually want motorola's features (Moto display, Moto actions, always-on voice recognition).
Is it possible that there is a flashable version of the stock Motorola rom? So once there is a 6.0 update, instead of OTAing, I can download a flashable version of it and just flash that instead?
StreetkillnHD said:
I never seen the point of just rooting for apps and such i always rooted for custom roms but honestly if u want to stay with your stock rom and root it, with every update u need to flash that stock rom again.. Then update... Then reroot as some phone do loose root after updates..
Thats why i flash custom roms even custom stock roms all u gotta do is just flash the rom update and ur set
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Some apps only work with root (like Batter Battery Stats, xposed). That's a good reason to just root without custom roms.
StreetkillnHD said:
I never seen the point of just rooting for apps and such i always rooted for custom roms but honestly if u want to stay with your stock rom and root it, with every update u need to flash that stock rom again.. Then update... Then reroot as some phone do loose root after updates..
Thats why i flash custom roms even custom stock roms all u gotta do is just flash the rom update and ur set
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The sole reason i root is to install an ad blocker.
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Some apps only work with root (like Batter Battery Stats, xposed). That's a good reason to just root without custom roms.
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Yup, for me Better Battery stats, Titanium Backup, the possibility of putting the back button on the bottom right instead of left, and activating double tap are all reasons to root the stock rom.
cronoc said:
Yup, for me Better Battery stats, Titanium Backup, the possibility of putting the back button on the bottom right instead of left, and activating double tap are all reasons to root the stock rom.
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Double tap is ROM specific isn't it? Or is there an xposed module? Its the one thing I miss from my OnePlus, despite the 'aware' sensors
Much of the stuff you people are trying to accomplish can be done with Nova Launcher. No root needed.
If you flash back to stock.
Remove the custom recovery.
You can now take the OTA.
After you take the OTA.
Re-install TWRP
Flash SU.
I have done it on other unlocked devices.
The point being, an unlocked bootloader allows you to flash/install TWRP whenever you want.
Then you can regain root.
Unlocked bootloader means you can always regain root.
nibunnoichi said:
Your last comment is reassuring. I'm still learning when it comes to rooting; I had my friend root my Galaxy S3 years ago, but I'm gonna try to do it myself this time and learn the details of the process, and all that it entails (possible consequences, etc). Please bear with me.
Based on what I've read online (for example this article), it says OTA updates will break the root, but I can always re-root after the OTA and it's only a minor hassle (for phones with unlocked bootloader). Is that pretty much what you're saying as well?
So once Motorola rolls out the 6.0 Marshmallow update, would I need to re-unlock the bootloader (via this thread ) , and then re-flash recovery, etc?
At any point would I need to worry about losing any data on the phone?
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You'll never loose data (except for the first time you unlock the bootloader) unless you choose to wipe internal storage. So no worries mate.
tech_head said:
If you flash back to stock.
Remove the custom recovery.
You can now take the OTA.
After you take the OTA.
Re-install TWRP
Flash SU.
I have done it on other unlocked devices.
The point being, an unlocked bootloader allows you to flash/install TWRP whenever you want.
Then you can regain root.
Unlocked bootloader means you can always regain root.
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Good to know. I'm curious to know if there's a simpler way to update. Is it possible that there is a flashable version of the stock rom and future stock roms? So once there is a 6.0 update for the Pure, instead of OTAing from Motorola, I can download a flashable version of it and just flash that instead (1-step process)?
emailrob said:
Double tap is ROM specific isn't it? Or is there an xposed module? Its the one thing I miss from my OnePlus, despite the 'aware' sensors
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I honestly don't know. I'm coming from a Cyanogenmod-rom'd phone, so I'm just hoping I'll be able to get back some of these features...
nibunnoichi said:
Good to know. I'm curious to know if there's a simpler way to update. Is it possible that there is a flashable version of the stock rom and future stock roms? So once there is a 6.0 update for the Pure, instead of OTAing from Motorola, I can download a flashable version of it and just flash that instead (1-step process)?
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There might be but if u want simple flash a custom stock rom, im sure they will have a few, its basically stock rom but with tweaks and with a few stuff added. Then feom there just flash the updates for that rom. On my lg g3 i use to use a rom called cloudyg3 rom, it had everything stock rom had but a more tweaked version and such.
tech_head said:
If you flash back to stock.
Remove the custom recovery.
You can now take the OTA.
After you take the OTA.
Re-install TWRP
Flash SU.
I have done it on other unlocked devices.
The point being, an unlocked bootloader allows you to flash/install TWRP whenever you want.
Then you can regain root.
Unlocked bootloader means you can always regain root.
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I opened this thread hoping for a method to prevent taking the 6.0 OTA, because as I understand, from reading the Moto X PE TWRP thread, The only root method for 6.0 is systemless, which I think I want to stay away from, in hopes that 6.0 will get regular root, in the future. I think i would rather stay on LP, while waiting.
My MXPE arrives Thursday! I would like to use it some, before having to root, but I am certain the 6.0 OTA update will be soon to show.
Is there a way to stop the OTA, prior to bootoader unock and root?
Do I just need to unlock/root/flash ROM right away?
I am hesitant, because I'e been away from Moto rooting for a few years. I've been Samsung rooting, with TWRP and SafeStrap.
The stuff I'm reading here, about Minimal ADB, Fast boot folder and using cmd prompt is a bit daunting and I would like more time to continue reading and learning, before doing the deed.
ETA: I just realized that the OTA will come from Motorola, not Verizon. How does the OTA come>
Is there a Moto app, that I can disable, without root?
pizza_pablo said:
I opened this thread hoping for a method to prevent taking the 6.0 OTA, because as I understand, from reading the Moto X PE TWRP thread, The only root method for 6.0 is systemless, which I think I want to stay away from, in hopes that 6.0 will get regular root, in the future. I think i would rather stay on LP, while waiting.
My MXPE arrives Thursday! I would like to use it some, before having to root, but I am certain the 6.0 OTA update will be soon to show.
Is there a way to stop the OTA, prior to bootoader unock and root?
Do I just need to unlock/root/flash ROM right away?
I am hesitant, because I'e been away from Moto rooting for a few years. I've been Samsung rooting, with TWRP and SafeStrap.
The stuff I'm reading here, about Minimal ADB, Fast boot folder and using cmd prompt is a bit daunting and I would like more time to continue reading and learning, before doing the deed.
ETA: I just realized that the OTA will come from Motorola, not Verizon. How does the OTA come>
Is there a Moto app, that I can disable, without root?
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I am going to link to the answer I gave to you here...YMMV of course...:laugh:
Naddict said:
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I am going to link to the answer I gave to you here...YMMV of course...:laugh:
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I found it, and replied.
About a year ago I was going to upgrade my nieces stock Nexus 7 wi-fi tablet on 4.4.4 but come to find out there was some bug in the OTA update that would brick the tablet. You had to jump through a bunch of hoops to update it like factory reset. Once my niece heard erase she didn't want any part of that. Fast forward to now and she got a fitbit type device and the software isn't compatible with the current version of the OS. So my question is...Is that bug fixed so I can take the OTA update now or do I still have to jump through all those hoops to do it? If I do have to jump through the hoops then how do I do it? Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
BoDontKnowDiddley said:
About a year ago I was going to upgrade my nieces stock Nexus 7 wi-fi tablet on 4.4.4 but come to find out there was some bug in the OTA update that would brick the tablet. You had to jump through a bunch of hoops to update it like factory reset. Once my niece heard erase she didn't want any part of that. Fast forward to now and she got a fitbit type device and the software isn't compatible with the current version of the OS. So my question is...Is that bug fixed so I can take the OTA update now or do I still have to jump through all those hoops to do it? If I do have to jump through the hoops then how do I do it? Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
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I did update a few days ago and it was ok untill it was time of the 5.1.1 update - brick, so I downloaded nexus root toolkit to get it quickly done.
Make backup using gmail or just root using nexus tool, backup with titanium backup and update to 5.1.1 or custom without worry
yaro666 said:
I did update a few days ago and it was ok untill it was time of the 5.1.1 update - brick, so I downloaded nexus root toolkit to get it quickly done.
Make backup using gmail or just root using nexus tool, backup with titanium backup and update to 5.1.1 or custom without worry
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Ok so I root with the tool and then flash the 5.1.1 rom or do I have to go up in order?
Go to settings, about device, updates and install all the way up to 5.1.1, it might be a few updates. If the error shows then just use toolkit to recover nexus from soft brick and that's it
yaro666 said:
Go to settings, about device, updates and install all the way up to 5.1.1, it might be a few updates. If the error shows then just use toolkit to recover nexus from soft brick and that's it
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Ok I used the tool and flashed the 5.1.1 stock image on it and relocked the bootloader. Now it is very laggy. Anyway to fix this?
BoDontKnowDiddley said:
Ok I used the tool and flashed the 5.1.1 stock image on it and relocked the bootloader. Now it is very laggy. Anyway to fix this?
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The stock 5.1.1 image makes the Nexus 7 really laggy, even when running the ParrotMod fix found in another thread.
My recommendation would be to run Pure Nexus ROM by GtrCraft (links are in the Download section for ROM and GApps, which you need for Google App Store and services). Of course, use the Nexus Toolkit or TWRP as the easiest ways to flash.
Then, flash the ParrotMod fix by parrotgeek1 to help speed it up.
Once all done, it should be as fast as it will get and you won't have any updates or OTA updates to install. Pure Nexus ROM has SuperSU in it, so it will be rooted. Some apps will not work when rooted, so keep that in mind (mainly banking and some streaming apps).
PutoFace said:
The stock 5.1.1 image makes the Nexus 7 really laggy, even when running the ParrotMod fix found in another thread.
My recommendation would be to run Pure Nexus ROM by GtrCraft (links are in the Download section for ROM and GApps, which you need for Google App Store and services). Of course, use the Nexus Toolkit or TWRP as the easiest ways to flash.
Then, flash the ParrotMod fix by parrotgeek1 to help speed it up.
Once all done, it should be as fast as it will get and you won't have any updates or OTA updates to install. Pure Nexus ROM has SuperSU in it, so it will be rooted. Some apps will not work when rooted, so keep that in mind (mainly banking and some streaming apps).
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Well I would rather not have it rooted if I can help it. I don't want my niece getting into anything a messing it up. I have read that the marshmallow pure aosp is much smoother or was that what you were talking about? Can I flash that with the nexus tool? I want to keep everything buttoned up for her.
You can use tool to flash recovery TWRP, then boot recovery copy rom aosp or slim or whatever you like, flash it and you're good to go. It'll take up to 15min.
Just read rom description and follow install instruction
yaro666 said:
You can use tool to flash recovery TWRP, then boot recovery copy rom aosp or slim or whatever you like, flash it and you're good to go. It'll take up to 15min.
Just read rom description and follow install instruction
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Sorry for my ignorance but if I use the aosp rom I would have to keep it rooted or no? When I updated to 5.1.1 I just unlocked the BL and then flashed 5.1.1 and then relocked it. Should I have installed a recovery? I didn't think I should since I didn't want to keep it rooted.
BoDontKnowDiddley said:
Well I would rather not have it rooted if I can help it. I don't want my niece getting into anything a messing it up. I have read that the marshmallow pure aosp is much smoother or was that what you were talking about? Can I flash that with the nexus tool? I want to keep everything buttoned up for her.
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There really isn't anything to mess up when the tablet is rooted. It mainly just gives you access to more settings and more customization.
If you are dead-set on using a non-rooted ROM, you could also use CyanogenMod, which is updated regularly.