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Windows 8 on XOOM?

Hi
Am I being wholly unrealistic on this or could we hope to see Windows 8 run on these sluggish XOOMs ?
It seems like the hardware is not massively different?
Possibility or impossibility?
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Would be nice, no idea what the requirements are for Win8 tho..

I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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s.t.s said:
I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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Tiamat is pretty darn fast.... then ADW ex makes it even faster.

Id be happy with a chroot of win8
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With the dev preview only being x86/64 at the moment we will have to wait for the ARM version to be released before anything can be done on the Xoom. I cant wait to see if there are any devs that can get it going.....a dual boot with ICS would be fantastic

I am sure it is faster when rooted and overclocked ... just haven't got round to doing it yet ... kind of resent having to do it to get a user experience that might be close to acceptable
I know that there is no arm preview yet but I believe the min spec is detailed ... are there any things we fall short of?
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guys, I'd hate to burst your bubbles, but there were around 4 posts about win 8 on the xoom and all of them came to the conclusion that it wouldn't work, or at least, very unlikely. Windows is closed source. Its not like Ubuntu or any other Linux distro that we can modify.
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s.t.s said:
I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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There was a bunch of windows 8 topics on xoom but not looking good. And development will get better overall on xoom when ics comes out because you have to remember, honeycomb source wasn't released and never will be. Ics will be open source though.

Android may soon do more than windows can. By the time WIN8 comes out in arm form android will be on key lime pie.

What really is needed is a full Linux version for the Xoom. Linux is already available for ARM CPUs. But what is needed is the kernel patch for the Xoom, and the hardware drivers.
Stop pining for windows, as there are already plenty of gadgets with it on it. I just purchased a Azpen X1 tablet. The 16GB drive is so small, that I ran out of space the first time that I ran the windows update!! I got a 32GB drive for it, and will install Ubuntu on it. I use Linux for everything, and found that windows is very over rated.

Not sure how Windows is "over rated" ... it seems everyone is out to say mac/ios/linux is better than it. If linux is so great why are you giving it double the storage space the windows install was offered ;-)
I know windows is closed source ... but the hardware appears to be very similar to other tablets that run windows, it would just be a case of suitable drivers?
ICS may improve things but it still doesn't feel like the direction android is headed in is where I hoped/expected in terms of offering tablet optimized/specific applications.
Windows 8 looks a lot more like the tablet os I would like to use ... I guess time will tell.
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s.t.s said:
If linux is so great why are you giving it double the storage space the windows install was offered ;-)
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At first I intended to give 16GB to each OS. But since widows barely fits on 16 GB, I decided against it.
s.t.s said:
I know windows is closed source ... but the hardware appears to be very similar to other tablets that run windows, it would just be a case of suitable drivers?
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What other tablets like the Xoom run windows? Windows only runs on the Intel family of CPUs (and clones), while most tablets have an ARM CPU.

samsung has a dev tablet out that runs windows 8. they gave it out at some convention.

patass said:
samsung has a dev tablet out that runs windows 8. they gave it out at some convention.
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Yes and nobody is going to sit down and spend the time and write drivers for a closed source OS. Especially from scratch. Not to sound like a jerk, but if you're bored of your xoom, sell it and get a windows slate

kenfly said:
Yes and nobody is going to sit down and spend the time and write drivers for a closed source OS. Especially from scratch. Not to sound like a jerk, but if you're bored of your xoom, sell it and get a windows slate
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lol i never said i was tired of it, but windows 8 from what I played with it on the desktop is a more practical platform. Often times I'm using splashtop to access my desktop at home. You're mad.
also people write custom drivers for windows all the time. custom graphics card drivers, controller drivers, etc.

patass said:
lol i never said i was tired of it, but windows 8 from what I played with it on the desktop is a more practical platform. Often times I'm using splashtop to access my desktop at home. You're mad.
also people write custom drivers for windows all the time. custom graphics card drivers, controller drivers, etc.
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Look at it this way, most other hc tablets have a port of Ubuntu, which is open source, and we don't. If nobody wants Ubuntu enough to work with the open source os, who is going to work with closed source windows 8?

That is another thing that I just dont get ... it really feels like my best informed choice to get the XOOM was the wrong one. Moto are not pushing the development and user experience like I had hoped and the dev community hasn't been set alight either :-(
Still I hope we see some stuff soon. For now I will just have to try one of the few android roms
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Is anyone thinking of doing ROM work on the MK802 Thumbstick PC?

I pre-ordered the 1GB version of the MK802 ICS thumbstick today from Amazon for $70, can't wait for it to arrive to start playing around with it.
As with any other device, a custom ROM may well bring out some even greater possibilities for this great little piece of kit.
Any of our ROM devs got their eye on this one?
J

griffindodd said:
I pre-ordered the 1GB version of the MK802 ICS thumbstick today from Amazon for $70, can't wait for it to arrive to start playing around with it.
As with any other device, a custom ROM may well bring out some even greater possibilities for this great little piece of kit.
Any of our ROM devs got their eye on this one?
J
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I'd like to second this, Ive ordered the 1gb version as well, can't wait til it arrives and to start monkeying around with it.

I´ve also ordered one (already shipped ) and can´t wait to start messing it up
Having a working CWM Version would be a good start, so we can make backups ^^

Mine got here today! Playing with it hooked up to monitor at the moment. I can't wait to take it home and plug it in to TV.

I Think about order this too and I love to see custom rom on this, sound fun!!

I got mine yesterday, but I can't get it to recognize my xbox 360 controller through a wireless dongle, which works fine in Linux otherwise. Anyway, although I'm disappointed with it so far due to sluggishness, i can only hope it's a software issue and they update it soon. Someone has already got Ubuntu running on it.

zapadapping said:
I got mine yesterday, but I can't get it to recognize my xbox 360 controller through a wireless dongle, which works fine in Linux otherwise. Anyway, although I'm disappointed with it so far due to sluggishness, i can only hope it's a software issue and they update it soon. Someone has already got Ubuntu running on it.
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what version did you get, the 512 or the 1gig?
I've got a pre order 1g version on order from amazon as well, so watching this thread too

Mine is running Ubuntu now so I think the whole rom thing is now settled and obsolete. More info here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/installing-linux-on-mk802-948695/
In short, dd image, do a depmod, update apt and install your favorite programs.
Mine is now running dropbear ssh and lighttpd www with a mediawiki install. Best thing is I had that running under android and it was slower then now under Ubuntu.

sqkid89 said:
what version did you get, the 512 or the 1gig?
I've got a pre order 1g version on order from amazon as well, so watching this thread too
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Sorry for slow response. I unfortunately got the 512MB version. I assume the 1GB version will be significantly better when running Ubuntu.

zapadapping said:
Sorry for slow response. I unfortunately got the 512MB version. I assume the 1GB version will be significantly better when running Ubuntu.
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That pretty much depends on your memory consumption, I have a 512 and it is running smooth and noticable faster then Android. Just go for lightweight like dropbear instead of openssh or LDX instead of Gnome etc. Here is a nice link to create a fresh rootfs where you can built upon. http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/04...image-for-mele-a1000-allwinner-a10-based-stb/

can we have wireless mouse and keyboard support?

telis12 said:
can we have wireless mouse and keyboard support?
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I use my wireless logitech mouse and microsoft keyboard with a USB hub, works great!
There are 2 USB ports but one of them is a mini-usb , used for charging (unless you plug it in the wall outlet). It comes with a usb-mini to USB host too.

These things are going to be big. There is a kickstarter project running for a similar device with integrated HDMI plug, though only a 1ghz processor, rather than 1.5ghz. No 1gb ram option either.. Take a look on their site and search 'android', Pocket TV will come up.
I've gone for the MK802 1gb model on preorder. The interesting thing from the Kickstarter project (apart from that cool air mouse) is the use of the Google TV remote app to control it using another android device. I've grabbed the Google TV remote APK, however when testing it, I couldn't connect to another android device. I can only assume they have found a way to 'spoof' the mini ICS PC stick as a Google TV. How? Read something about the Anymote protocol?
I like the idea of my Nexus S working the pointer and pull up keyboard...
REQUEST: Lets get an MK802 or Mini PC section up on XDA!!

I got mine 1gb
This little thing is cool as hell, Runs everything. Lets talk more about custom ROMs and Ubuntu. What version of Ubuntu are you guys running? Also, any good ideas for apps if one would like to stay with Android?

I saw this device today and i am excited from the specification and the price its coming with.
Does anyone, who has already has it, can tell me his experience??
Can you browse in a decent way?2-3 tabs open maybe? If the page has flash the scrolling is smooth?
I want to buy it for a gift to my parents

mk802
I just got mine direct from China. Working great with fly mouse/keyboard except when you go into recovery. I could only scroll up and fown the 5 selections but could not find any key to select. I was going to install 4ext but backed off as it couldn't detect device.There is certainly a need for a new forum and a developer. These may be the forefront of pc's to come.

New recover img for MK802
http://db.tt/2VRoKtc1

So does anyone know how to use this file? It took 20 attempt to download and was really slow, but no instructions.

in a few days I get a mk802
we must compile and run the kernel module uinput.ko
this is necessary to start DroidMote Server inside it.
with DroidMote this device would be the maximum.
i have a working compiled uinput.ko for a10 allwinner 3.0.8 kernel, in the meantime if anyone wants to try to load with the command insmod, get the module at this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25506316&postcount=324
REQUEST: Lets get an MK802 or Mini PC section up on XDA!!

telis12 said:
can we have wireless mouse and keyboard support?
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agreed with this!!!

Linux distro on the Nexus 7

Hi everyone,
I consider buying a this nice little tablet I just wonder if anyone managed to install a complete Linux distribution on it like ArchLinux ARM natively (not emulation/virtualization not even chroot) with everything working. I guess that even if it's not done up to now it will be quite easy to do as everything is open source.
Thanks

So as a few months passed since the Nexus 7 is available and I just bought one yesterday, I thought that I could do a little up...
Hope mods won't think it is offensive to make alive an old thread with some kind of what I think is a good reason.
If no one can help me, I will probably work on a native ArchLinux ARM on my nice new tablet in the next days. But first I have to make sure I can get it back fully stock from a fully rooted/unlocked/repartitioned state. If I have no choice I will dd my entire N7's internal memory to a slightly bigger USB stick to recreate exactly the partition table. But I am not sure I can have a complete access to the internal flash memory (all of the partitions with the boot loader, recovery etc). If someone can confirm if I have only one memory drive or more to backup or if there is no chance that I cannot recrate then entire Android stock system from a corrupted partition table for example... I would appreciate it right!
Thanks in advance!
Sorry if this is already answered I have to confess that I didn't search for the last part, I don't have time this morning.
Sent from my Nexus 7

Yeah installing Linux on the N7 has been done. I think the Ubuntu Distro is the one that was used for the successful install.
I did a little searching and found it for you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585009
Hope that helps

Wilks3y said:
Yeah installing Linux on the N7 has been done. I think the Ubuntu Distro is the one that was used for the successful install.
I did a little searching and found it for you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585009
Hope that helps
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Thanks for your answer but I was looking for a native installation, not a chroot if possible that I can use hardware
acceleration (maybe that I still could with virtualGL though).
It is already a good point that it has been done in chroot, wich I am not surprised.
Sent from my Nexus 7

johnride said:
Thanks for your answer but I was looking for a native installation, not a chroot if possible that I can use hardware
acceleration (maybe that I still could with virtualGL though).
It is already a good point that it has been done in chroot, wich I am not surprised.
Sent from my Nexus 7
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To be honest mate, I'm not into it all that deep, couldn't even tell ya the difference between chroot and a native client, perhaps you could explain for me?

the chrooted version is the android kernel with the ubuntu "programs" running. you can access the ubuntu desktop only via a vnc client, as there is no "real" x server running. think of it as ubuntu running as a service in the background which you then access via local network from your android.
would be interested in a native version as well.

kendong2 said:
the chrooted version is the android kernel with the ubuntu "programs" running. you can access the ubuntu desktop only via a vnc client, as there is no "real" x server running. think of it as ubuntu running as a service in the background which you then access via local network from your android.
would be interested in a native version as well.
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That explains it, so basically on chroot the Ubuntu is a virtual machine in essence?

johnride said:
Hi everyone,
I consider buying a this nice little tablet I just wonder if anyone managed to install a complete Linux distribution on it like ArchLinux ARM natively (not emulation/virtualization not even chroot) with everything working. I guess that even if it's not done up to now it will be quite easy to do as everything is open source.
Thanks
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Has not been released yet, but definitely check out this: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android

Nooo there is a big difference between chroot and virtualization. On a chroot you still use the same kernel which allows to have the same speed or almost as a native client for what does not require hardware acceleration. the point in getting and Native Client working is that we could get advantage of the GPU after some more or less hard work. I bought this tablet to replace my sold laptop the best I could so that's why I'm interested in this.
When you do virtualization, CPU instructions are converted from a type to another and this is very heavy on the CPU and this way you cannot have good performances.
Think of a road: in chroot you only have to make the instructions take a turn without slowing down while in virtualization you have to stop the "convertible" instructions "remove the roof" and then you can continue. That's why virtualization is much slower than chroot.
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Chroot says what it does: it changes the root. This means that programs that run in the chroot environment will think that the / is another folder than what it is really. For example if you do chroot /sdcard/ and you have a file named derp.txt on your sdcard than type rm /derp.txt it will work since your / is now /sdcard/. The most come in case of uses of EC truth is when you have a Linux machine not booting anymore so you have to repair the boot loader, you will boot on a Live CD of the same distro (Ubuntu for example), mount the drive with the broken installation, chroot to this installation regular root and perform the same reparation as if this install would be booted, still using the kernel and binaries from your live CD (unless you specify that you want to use those from the chrooted environment).
Hope this is clear.
Sent from my Nexus 7

Stevenator21 said:
Has not been released yet, but definitely check out this: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
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Yeah that's a very nice project but I want the desktop on my tablet, no docks and all. This is also in chroot I believe. Probably that I will install ArchLinux in chroot and try to make VirtualGL work but it's not really what I want.
Sent from my Nexus 7

johnride said:
When you do virtualization, CPU instructions are converted from a type to another and this is very heavy on the CPU and this way you cannot have good performances.
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Small clarification. You're describing emulation here. Emulation is one processor pretending to be another. The Android SDK provides an android emulator that pretends to be an ARM device while running on your x86 PC.
Virtualization is a special feature of some processor architectures that allows multiple, virtual memory spaces to be created that are isolated from each other at a very low-level. I seriously doubt (but don't know for sure) that the ARM architecture has much support for virtualization. VMWare and its ilk use virtualization.
Anyway, virtualization runs at full processor speed. However, access to everything but main RAM and the CPU may be emulated in most implementations. Particularly, it's very tricky to get proper access to the GPU via virtualization, so it is often emulated.
Trivia-time: The presence of a primitive form of virtualization in the 386 is what allowed Linux to be written back in the day. The 286 didn't support switching between normal and escalated privilege modes (aka kernel vs user process space) on the fly. Oh crap. Now I'm starting to show my age. Um, get off my lawn!?!
The more you know...

Thanks for the clarification old chap!
I knew about material virtualization with some CPU's but did not realize that there was no emulation for the biggest part of the instructions. Will sleep less dumb.
Sent from my Nexus 7

kendong2 said:
would be interested in a native version as well.
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Mhmmm as we are probably not alone to be interested in this, I think I will open a topic in original development section to see how many would be interested and what direction I should take. If anyone supports that idea I will create the thread. I think it would be easier to put together all the good ideas in the dev section.

Ah you beat me to it!
Well we (the linuxonandroid team) have been running a device fund which has just finished.
One of the devices i will be getting from this is a nexus 7 which is being bought for two goals.
A) fixing tegra chip bugs with our chroot builds (after all chroot for many is a good way forward as it leaves android intact)
B) building native linux distro installs. Starting with ubuntu but expanding to as many distros that support ARM as possible (debian, backtrack, archlinux, fedora etc etc).
So prehaps you would like to PM me and maybe we can team up for this
Sent from my GT-N7000 using xda premium

zacthespack said:
Ah you beat me to it!
Well we (the linuxonandroid team) have been running a device fund which has just finished.
One of the devices i will be getting from this is a nexus 7 which is being bought for two goals.
A) fixing tegra chip bugs with our chroot builds (after all chroot for many is a good way forward as it leaves android intact)
B) building native linux distro installs. Starting with ubuntu but expanding to as many distros that support ARM as possible (debian, backtrack, archlinux, fedora etc etc).
So prehaps you would like to PM me and maybe we can team up for this
Sent from my GT-N7000 using xda premium
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I am currently working on developing on booting ubuntu on the nexus 7. Check this thread out - > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1842915

Ubuntu Phone OS

So I've Been a Big fan of Ubuntu for a while and I was thrilled to see that they will be releasing a phone OS sometime hopefully soon. Since I have the laptop dock I have always wanted to try to put full ubuntu on it. However that never fully worked on and had to be done on a blur based rom. I love the new JB rom I have on my phone as It performs well. But at the end of the video 21:00 Mark Shuttleworth, the Founder of Ubuntu stated that Ubuntu Phone runs on ARM based chips and Android Kenerals and Drivers.
I'm just wondering Who else would love to see this run and be compatible on the atrix AND the dock. If we still have a decent amount of developers I'm sure this is more than possible.
Heres the Link for the video:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
Just putting the idea out there, but if there are any developers capable of this I'd be more than happy to support.

phone spesification is enough for run and if canonical is behind this i think its possible

I was about to post this as a new thread but when I saw this thread I decided to post it in here.
Happy New Year!
According to the video below Ubuntu for Phones will be compatible with any Android designed-hardware. If I understood it correctly, Atrix last chance is with Ubuntu for Phones for sure.
http://www.androidcentral.com/canonical-announces-its-ubuntu-smartphone-os
I have already said that once before that one reason the OEMs lock the bootloader of their phones is to prevent other platforms to be installed to shorten the life of the devices.
Millions of capable Android devices have already been abandoned due to lack of software support which I blame Google directly to allow the implementation of Wild Wild West on Android platform. The only loser in Android world is and will always be the consumers. Ubuntu for Phones will be the left jab that Google didn't see coming. I personally looking forward to see what Ubuntu for Phones can bring this year.
Update: it seems Ubuntu for Phones will not be available until 2014

Seems BBC covered the story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20891868
and in the article says that it will be released for the samsung galaxy nexus. porting from that to the Atrix may be hard, but it should be like CyanogenMod a little. So thats a little boost to say the least.
I also emailed canonical and showed interest in helping with the project especially with the lapdock capabilities, so ill let you guys know what I get back from them, and If its any useful Ill be sure to forward it to every developer possible.

Yes and simply
Yes it's possible for our Atrix, jus read that :
"Easier hardware enablement
We have teams based in Taipei, Shanghai, London, Beijing and Boston to engage with your engineering and factory operations – and their sole focus is to deliver a crisp Ubuntu experience on your device.
Ubuntu has already been adapted to run on chipsets using the ARM and Intel x86 architectures relevant for mobile devices, with the core system based around a typical Android Board Support Package (BSP). So chipset vendors and hardware manufacturers do not need to invest in or maintain new hardware support packages for Ubuntu on smartphones. In short, if you already make handsets that run Android, the work needed to adopt Ubuntu will be trivial."
So alright we don't MAKE handsets that runs android but we have one, we also have the kernel drivers no ? so with that it's like port a cyanogenmod ROM I think. My quote come from canonical web-site (sorry new member so I can"t post outside links ><) so it's a truth information

leclercqsteeven said:
So alright we don't MAKE handsets that runs android but we have one, we also have the kernel drivers no ? so with that it's like port a cyanogenmod ROM I think. My quote come from canonical web-site (sorry new member so I can"t post outside links ><) so it's a truth information
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Yep, we have Ubuntu drivers but we're not sure we will be able to use them. But indeed the project of having Ubuntu running as main OS on the Atrix is realistic as we have all the material (HW and SW) required for this, if our devs know how to use them, but I think a whole team would be required for a project this big. It's not just a port of Cyanogen, it's not about taking a kernel and some drivers and snap them with a more recent UI and newer apps. We only got a kernel and an X server, it's far enough but the thing is that this X server was published to run on dev platforms. But also know it can be used on an Atrix, but how to integrate it with a whole new platform ? It will require time mostly. I think. And devs. But we don't have many devs so we only have hope. But maybe the devs on XDA will look more at the Atrix and Webtop.

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Update: it seems Ubuntu for Phones will not be available until 2014
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Actually it's supposed to be available late 2013 - according to lifehacker....
http://lifehacker.com/5972559/the-ubuntu-mobile-os-introduced-today-coming-to-phones-in-2014

The Ubuntu Phones that ship with the OS will most likely be available in 2013 in the UK, and will clear american shores in Hopefully late 2013, but most likely will arrive around early 2014.
The OS itself will most likely clear for deployment sometime soon for the samsung galaxy nexus, as for a universal build I'm not sure If/when that will be available, so most likely we will have to see if one can be constructed for the atrix.
As far as the lack of developers, I fell that any and all developers that are still in possession of an operational atrix will want to test this, especially on a phone that isnt their daily driver and has capabilities of bringing back a strong webtop front.

absolutely possible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzc0uMXGFBY
i like the ubuntu webtop, its run smooth and fast :good:

I think the atrix should be able to run it. just not mine unless the new bootloader gets figured out

Well I really think that Ubuntu can run on the Atrix, because they share the same idea, which is killed by Google: The webtop.
We just plug the phone into a dock, connect it to a monitor and that's it. Besides, the original webtop is just a big browser without many supported applications.
Several webtop-mods have shown that it is possible to run a full Debian or Ubuntu Linux on the phone.
And having one OS for mutliple devices is the stratagy that Microsoft now tries with Windows 8 on Tablets. But other than Windows, Ubuntu really got the chance to do it right.

Possible to run, but...
Well, I'm sure, it won't be a real problem to run the Ubuntu phone OS on Atrix 4g, IMHO, I'm really suprised, they used Atrix 2 and his adventages in testing. It's but I'm sure, HW would not work on 100%. Everyone knows, what is a problem with HWA drivers fot ICS+ even on android. Fingerprint drivers will be problem too... the best roms are (at least in my opinion) GB ones. This is the "tax" we pay for extraordinary HW in Atrix 4G.
Another problem in optimalization is the date of release (futher in future...who knows, how many devs will stay..)

This OS already has its own section on xda and it hasn't even been released yet lol anyways u can share your thoughts on Ubuntu for phone here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2082789
Phone Slow? go HERE
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Like I said If I got an email back I would let you guys know and sure enough it came and here it is
Thank you very much for your interest towards Ubuntu on smartphones. We have received an incredible response and have been overwhelmed with the general positive feedback! Responses both from the general public and the industry have been far greater that we expected.
In order to make Ubuntu a truly fantastic smartphone experience we will be initially working with manufacturers who will build Ubuntu into their hardware. We anticipate market availability of Ubuntu on smartphones towards the end of 2013.
To reach this goal, and offer a great experience for future consumers, our first priority will be to respond to industry inquiries from manufacturers/OEMs, silicon partners, developers and mobile operators. If you are a potential industry partner, we’d like to learn more about you. Please register your interest through our web form: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/contact-us
If you are a mobile apps developer, and want to learn how you can help bring Ubuntu to the phone, you can also find more information on:
http://developer.ubuntu.com/gomobile
We are all excited about Ubuntu for phones, but it will take some time to get into the marketplace. If you leave us your email and country details, we will let you know when there is further news:
https://forms.canonical.com/manhattan/
Once again, thank you for your interest in Ubuntu!
Yours sincerely,
The Ubuntu for smartphones team at Canonical
Pretty much everything you could have read up on :/

Greetings to all on this New Year!!!(Almost late!)
Hello people.
Searching the past week about this topic, I found the "How to upload" Ubuntu for phones on Tegra Devices like our Atrix.
Here you could find some info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100
This will help un too: http://ac100.grandou.net/nvflash#debian_ubuntu_package
https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra
And here, the Ubuntu for phones. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/quantal/release/
They recommend the Lubuntu 12:10 because it supposedly run from the box. I did not try this yet until I have all the tools(software & knowledge) ready...
It could be nice to have to opportunity to flash it like any ROM, but, sometimes I like the "hard" way in order to learn and develop myself.
Well guys, BON APPETITE !!!!!

While it's possible from a technical standpoint, I just don't see the developer interest which is a shame really, since the device's only weakness is the lack of updates.

Dav0 said:
Hello people.
Searching the past week about this topic, I found the "How to upload" Ubuntu for phones on Tegra Devices like our Atrix.
Here you could find some info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100
This will help un too: http://ac100.grandou.net/nvflash#debian_ubuntu_package
https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra
And here, the Ubuntu for phones. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/quantal/release/
They recommend the Lubuntu 12:10 because it supposedly run from the box. I did not try this yet until I have all the tools(software & knowledge) ready...
It could be nice to have to opportunity to flash it like any ROM, but, sometimes I like the "hard" way in order to learn and develop myself.
Well guys, BON APPETITE !!!!!
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This option to install ubuntu is impossible. U would risk to delete/brick partitions or nands. We need a IMG file with the filestructure and flash it with the fastboot/CWM. I can mount ubuntu 11.04 but the problem is no UI loading. Only usable is the terminal.
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Hai_Duong said:
This option to install ubuntu is impossible. U would risk to delete/brick partitions or nands. We need a IMG file with the filestructure and flash it with the fastboot/CWM. I can mount ubuntu 11.04 but the problem is no UI loading. Only usable is the terminal.
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No is not impossible. You partition an SD card load it up with kernel and system and use a dual boot solution to boot into the kernel on SD card. Of course some minor changes needed on the kernel. But not impossible.
also porting cyanogenmod is not as simple as grabbing a few drivers and adding a few kernel bits. It is a monumental task of trial and error with hundreds of lines of code to patch and sometimes full libraries have to be re written. Shoot the radio layer on the atrix was a quick hack job on cm for atrix.
Porting Ubuntu is tho should be quite easy. And maybe could even one day live in that juicy 750mb web top partition.
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You'd probably have to have /home on the internal sdcard to use /osh for installing Ubuntu.
Funny that this is the third thread in the last few days talking about using stand-alone Ubuntu on the device.
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No is not impossible. You partition an SD card load it up with kernel and system and use a dual boot solution to boot into the kernel on SD card. Of course some minor changes needed on the kernel. But not impossible.
also porting cyanogenmod is not as simple as grabbing a few drivers and adding a few kernel bits. It is a monumental task of trial and error with hundreds of lines of code to patch and sometimes full libraries have to be re written. Shoot the radio layer on the atrix was a quick hack job on cm for atrix.
Porting Ubuntu is tho should be quite easy. And maybe could even one day live in that juicy 750mb web top partition.
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I mean like webtop in atrix just docking u phone and start Ubuntu version 12.04 and not 9.04 jaunty . And a small question: why does nobody can make it work? there are big changes to make it work I think. Dual boot is without a proof not working for me
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What about Ubuntu for Android

All the threads I read are for Ubuntu for phone, anyone interested about Ubuntu for android? I'll give a try to Ubuntu for phone, but I'm really happy with what android offers... but now I think Ubuntu for android is really cool... Is like to have best OS for the phone, and at the same time best OS at all times on the phone.
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android

There is definitely some huge potential with this idea although it is not the first time we have seen this, Motorola attempted something similar but I always felt as though the phones were not ready yet and the desktop environment was not only slow but lacked any compatibility. If Ubuntu runs well on an android phone as a desktop I will gladly buy into it and probably use it to replace my laptop and maybe someday my desktop especially now that Steam is coming to Ubuntu. This is the next logical step in the computing world as our phones become increasingly more powerful and have begun to rival laptops, I just hope Ubuntu is able to execute it well.

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There is definitely some huge potential with this idea although it is not the first time we have seen this, Motorola attempted something similar but I always felt as though the phones were not ready yet and the desktop environment was not only slow but lacked any compatibility. If Ubuntu runs well on an android phone as a desktop I will gladly buy into it and probably use it to replace my laptop and maybe someday my desktop especially now that Steam is coming to Ubuntu. This is the next logical step in the computing world as our phones become increasingly more powerful and have begun to rival laptops, I just hope Ubuntu is able to execute it well.
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Great point and there's so much more to this if we think about it. Enterprise is evolving rather interestingly into mobility served by very centralized environments. BYOD is becoming a very prevalent argument in the professional workplace.
Until recently, management of that extremely mobile environment consisted of attempts at integrating BlackBerry, iOS, and Android into an arena where Microsoft is the 500 pound gorilla. From a business continuity stance, BlackBerry has been the safest and more secure (not capable) solution out there. Who knows how much longer RIM will be around. Microsoft just introduced that gorilla's corn-fed son named Windows 8.
Most businesses will put a W8 transition off for some time due to it's very "touchy" differences. The funny part being that they ask about integrating Android tablets or iPads as a 3 year plan. Once the hype settles, the realization of a full OS with REAL management possibilities on a mobile device will become rather ideal to CIO's and IT Admins looking to move to that step and beyond with the idea of BYOD as a viable/more secure option, now.
Enter Ubuntu. How many businesses are running iOS or Android in their data center? These are catered to the consumer segment where the perpetual "duking out" between Mac and Google has completely squashed BlackBerry to a point that 10th graders probably have no idea what a bunch of "old fogey" college juniors poke fun at while bragging about being a developer because they flashed CM10 via ROM Manager last week.
Ubuntu's focus should be on Windows! The ability to offer a rivaling suite edges both Google and Mac further away from the complete enterprise solution discussion and positions Canonical right next to Microsoft. . . without all the crazy licensing!!!
All in all, the final words in my mind are: Prime Opportunity
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I've seen sites report that its still being developed along side Ubuntu phone, probably an easy way to convert android users over.

Midnitte said:
I've seen sites report that its still being developed along side Ubuntu phone, probably an easy way to convert android users over.
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ugh. . . can't believe I missed the distinction between the two offerings. I was leaning more toward the "Ubuntu for phone" development.
Regardless, I think this is a great step and you're probably right, Midnitte. I'm just waiting for someone to get it running on my old HeroC!!!
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There is definitely some huge potential with this idea although it is not the first time we have seen this, Motorola attempted something similar but I always felt as though the phones were not ready yet and the desktop environment was not only slow but lacked any compatibility. If Ubuntu runs well on an android phone as a desktop I will gladly buy into it and probably use it to replace my laptop and maybe someday my desktop especially now that Steam is coming to Ubuntu. This is the next logical step in the computing world as our phones become increasingly more powerful and have begun to rival laptops, I just hope Ubuntu is able to execute it well.
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Clearly you haven't seen the video of the guy from canonical showing off Ubuntu for android using a 1ghz phone from a year or two ago. It was running perfectly as Ubuntu when docked, and when he undocked, BAM. Android again. I'll see if I can find the vid again
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EDIT: here is the link. Not exactly the one I was looking for, but it works. It is a Motorola atrix 2, which is fairly old, and probably the exact phone you said " wasn't ready"
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=wzc0uMXGFBY&desktop_uri=/watch?v=wzc0uMXGFBY

Why can't you use unetbootin http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ to load a linux distro onto your phone.
I did that before on my N9 with the mex distro. You just change the boot menu on the pc that you are going to hook up to so that it looks at the USB first for an OS before the hard disk. If I didn't want to run it I would wait until after the computer started to hook it up. The only thing is you have to remember to wait until after you start the computer if you don't want to run it and I kept habitually not waiting and accidentally starting the distro off of the phone and the other thing is you have to keep track of all the files and folders it installs on your phone so that if you decide to erase it you know what files and folders to erase and don't jack your phone up.
There is also Lili http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ which has "persistence" which means you can install/uninstall apps and add/delete data etc. and I see they have kubuntu on there and even meego 1.2.

aironeous said:
Why can't you use unetbootin http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ to load a linux distro onto your phone.
I did that before on my N9 with the mex distro. You just change the boot menu on the pc that you are going to hook up to so that it looks at the USB first for an OS before the hard disk. If I didn't want to run it I would wait until after the computer started to hook it up. The only thing is you have to remember to wait until after you start the computer if you don't want to run it and I kept habitually not waiting and accidentally starting the distro off of the phone and the other thing is you have to keep track of all the files and folders it installs on your phone so that if you decide to erase it you know what files and folders to erase and don't jack your phone up.
There is also Lili http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ which has "persistence" which means you can install/uninstall apps and add/delete data etc. and I see they have kubuntu on there and even meego 1.2.
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Because phones don't allow booting from media (except for special cases like the nook color, et al).

aironeous said:
Why can't you use unetbootin http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ to load a linux distro onto your phone.
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As long the bios on the target system recognizes the SD card through the usb attached phone in the boot menu..

reply 1^ Wait what? Are we on the same page here? Do you or don't you want to hook your phone up to a PC and make it boot up off of ubuntu that is on your phone? I was just doing that for about a month on my N9. Lili takes it even a step further and lets you install and uninstall apps and data that persist and also gives you virtualbox thrown in.
Reply 2^ What? That was too technical for me
Wait a second, are we talking about the same thing here? I'm talking about putting ubuntu on your phone and then you walk over to a PC and plug your phone in via usb and start the computer and it runs ubuntu from your phone. When you hook it up right after you turn the PC on pick mass storage mode when it pops up on your phone. Worked for me for a long time. I was walking around with mex 64 bit (ubuntu with 7 desktops to choose from) on my N9 and I would accidentally plug it into 32 bit computers at school (forgetting i had ubuntu 64 on my phone) before I turned them on and they would try to boot into mex 64 bit until i realized i was habitually plugging my phone into pc's before turning it on.

I don't understand what you guys are saying, I was just running around 2 months ago with 64bit ubuntu on my Nokia N9 plugging it into computers and making them boot up linux 64 bit from my N9 (provided the computer was a 64 bit and I went into the boot menu and changed it to look at the usb for an OS first).
You seem to not believe it for some reason. I'd make a video and put it up on youtube for you but I only have my N9 for video. I can't video my N9 with my N9.
I'm not that smart and I'm not that linux experienced at all but all you have to do is use unetbootin to install a linux distro (an iso image that you download, go ahead and pick any one you want) on to your phone in mass storage mode. Then just go into the boot menu of the PC you are targetting when you start it up and change the bootup priority to USB first.
Done.

I hear what you're saying; essentially Ubuntu on a stick... that's not what I thought Ubuntu for Android is/was supposed to be, though--from what I understood.
I had thought that Ubuntu for Android was supposed to be similar to the Ubuntu for phones experience, only with Android as the "desktop" experience on the handset. The phone is running Ubuntu 24/7, but when in the dock--think glorified KVM switch--you have full access to Ubuntu--using your phone as the source for the processing power, not just OS and file storage; unplug from the dock, and your handset reverts back to a "normal" Android handset...
...in your "on a stick" method, a PC is doing all the work, and the phone is just storage; the other way is equivocal to plugging a keyboard and monitor directly into the phone, and using it as the computer...
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That's not what I understood it to be. I thought it was just Lili since Lili has persistence plus a virtualbox so you can just load it without rebboting via a virtualbox.
Your phone is no different from a thumb drive in mass storage mode so you can load any linux distro on it and change the target pc boot priority to USB first.

I just checked the specs on the Raspberry Pi operating system. If that little computer can do all sorts of cool things with half the specs of a modern smart phone I'm sure the Ubuntu Devs will make the Ubuntu for Android wicked cool! Can't wait!
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Cl3Kener said:
I just checked the specs on the Raspberry Pi operating system. If that little computer can do all sorts of cool things with half the specs of a modern smart phone I'm sure the Ubuntu Devs will make the Ubuntu for Android wicked cool! Can't wait!
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It's not particularly good for running GUI stuff though.
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tr4656 said:
It's not particularly good for running GUI stuff though.
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Good point! I didn't think about that being an issue but it makes sense.
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It's not particularly good for running GUI stuff though.
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As an RPI owner, I can honestly say it isn't much of a desktop. It's ideal for a home media server, but it needs MUCH more RAM. 512MB still isn't cutting it. Honestly, mine is collecting dust.
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If it's usb storage, and its recognised by the pc without drivers then yes you can boot ubuntu from it.
Ubuntu for android is about running android on your device, then plugging your device into a dock that has a screen / keyboard / mouse and using ubuntu. Android would still bye running in the background to receive calls and stuff.
Ubuntu for phones is a phone running ubuntu, you make calls and texts from within ubuntu.
Hope this helps clear it up, please correct me if I'm mistaken :]
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