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It has been a month that I am using Xperia X10 (which was supposed to be a multimedia phone). It might have been a month but I have been following Android for a long time. I was so sure that if not the phone then the OS is going to be really great. Well I was wrong.....
Android does have lots of apps, and lots of them are really handy. But there are some very basic stuffs that it cann't do, like playing divx or Xvid or flv files. It has been quite a while that Samsung Spica came out, it has divx player support. There are so many devs, but noboody seems to bother to copy the divx player from Spica. Most of the videos are of xvid format now days. The only option you have is to buy yxplayer, but why should I buy yxplayer when this was suposed to be built in.
There is no default file browser, you have to download that too (thank god its free). There is no battery percent indicator, unless you download it. These are pretty basic things and they should have been included with the OS.
I am slowly feeling like those winmo lovers who believes that Android is popular because of the hype created by devs. And the devs started it as they can make couple of bucks by making small apps.
Regardless of conspiracy or no conspiracy, why no xvid or divx player??? Even the devs are not working on one
Bikram said:
There is no default file browser, you have to download that too (thank god its free). There is no battery percent indicator, unless you download it. These are pretty basic things and they should have been included with the OS.
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It's like Firefox vs. Opera discussion. I think if installing something is just few simple clicks, then system itself shouldn't contain nearly anything. I would be happy if it wouldn't even contain messaging app, cause I never use it and I can't delete it if I'm not a root.
So, as you see, there are many different "should have"s, not only yours.
I don't know why there are no divx/xvid player. But I personally don't mind, these formats aren't good for mobile devices, so I wouldn't use them anyway
I have had my Galaxy S for about two weeks now, previously being a very happy HTC Hero owner for about a year. Below is a short list of the things I have learned during this time, some good, some bad.
1.) Firstly, this is a FANTASTIC device; easily the best handset I have ever used. From the Super AMOLED screen that to this day still blows me away every time I pick up the phone, to the amazing 3D performance. No doubt, the Galaxy S is a desirable piece of kit.
2.) Despite this, it is let down by a single CRIPPLING flaw that we all know so well by now... The RFS file system. Make no mistake, without a lagfix installed, the Galaxy S performs at about 50% of its potential. This is true of ALL firmwares, including xxJPK. I've heard people on the forums claiming that JPK doesn't need a lagfix... Well, all I can say to that is that they haven't played around for long enough to notice, or they haven't tried OCLF at all. The difference is like night and day.
3.) So the lagfix makes the Galaxy S a monster; truly a pleasure to use. Why then does Samsung not recognise this potential and fix the problem? Looking at xxJPK and the build-date, I would say it's a pretty safe bet that Samsung are going to be sticking with RFS in the upcoming official Froyo release. That fact alone is a huge disappointment for me, and one which weighs heavily on my mind. Why should we have to rely on 3rd party "fixes" from the community to get the full performance from our phones? All of the current lagfixes have their own negatives. What we NEED is Samsung to come to the party! I wonder whether the Galaxy Tab will suffer from the same problems...
4.) The GPS problems that are well documented on the net have not affected me at all. I have successfully navigated from point A to B using Google Nav (Brut), and I have recorded a 6km trail using My Tracks, all without a single problem. I'm not saying the GPS issue doesn't exist, but if it does, it hasn't affected me yet. If anything, I would concede that the GPS is "weaker" than that of my Hero, but still fine for day to day use.
5.) My biggest concern coming in was the plastic construction of the phone, and Samsung's legendary (at least in my eyes) poor build quality. I'm pleased to report that on the contrary, the phone feels great in-hand, the weight is perfect and build quality is just fine. Now, I am not sure I would WANT to go back to one of the beefier HTC handsets I have coveted for so long.
6.) AllShare + DivX Certification + Hardware video acceleration = WIN! I tell you, the fact that I can lie in bed and stream all my media to this phone wirelessly and watch it on that gorgeous display is worth the price of admission alone.
7.) TouchWiz > Sense. When I had my Hero, I couldn't stand Sense. It felt bloated, and I always preferred a vanilla Google experience. TouchWiz is light enough that it doesn't get in the way of Android, and the overall look and feel is actually better than vanilla Android in my opinion. I'm happy to stick with stock ROMs, provided Samsung keep churning them out (something they haven't done too well so far!).
And yeah, that's about it... Thanks for reading if you got this far. Hopefully my thoughts and opinions echo true for some of you and trigger discussion.
I think you shoulda posted in general ..
PaulForde said:
I think you shoulda posted in general ..
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Sorry, you are right... Too used to posting here in Dev. Can a mod move it for me?
StNickZA said:
6.) AllShare + DivX Certification + Hardware video acceleration = WIN! I tell you, the fact that I can lie in bed and stream all my media to this phone wirelessly and watch it on that gorgeous display is worth the price of admission alone.
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May I ask what kind of server you are using? A NAS or some software, if the latter, which exactly? I gave up experimenting with PS3 Media Server a while back, though that is by far the best solution for the namegiving media renderer (and compatible to some others).
PlanetJumble said:
May I ask what kind of server you are using? A NAS or some software, if the latter, which exactly? I gave up experimenting with PS3 Media Server a while back, though that is by far the best solution for the namegiving media renderer (and compatible to some others).
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Unfortunately, I could not get PS3MS to work either, no matter what I tried. I use it already for streaming to the PS3.
To stream to the phone, I use Media Player 11. It works fine, but obviously only for formats that the phone can play natively (which fortunately is most of them).
Ultimately, I'd like to find a way to get PS3MS to transcode ALL formats for me into something the i9000 recognises.
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To stream to the phone, I use Media Player 11. It works fine, but obviously only for formats that the phone can play natively (which fortunately is most of them).
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Transcoding isn't much of a problem, since the alternative I use is to download to the phone and play it natively anyway.
But having to feed WMP the media collection is cumbersome. On PS3MS, I just give it the base folder and then navigate on my PS3. Adding new files on the fly works just fine if they are moved somewhere in that tree. Maybe I am doing something wrong, but I seem to have to manually add each file for WMP and then I have them all mixed up in flat hierarchy, which sucks badly.
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Transcoding isn't much of a problem, since the alternative I use is to download to the phone and play it natively anyway.
But having to feed WMP the media collection is cumbersome. On PS3MS, I just give it the base folder and then navigate on my PS3. Adding new files on the fly works just fine if they are moved somewhere in that tree. Maybe I am doing something wrong, but I seem to have to manually add each file for WMP and then I have them all mixed up in flat hierarchy, which sucks badly.
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Actually, I thought this to be the case as well. WMP seems to scan the mdia folders that you have added. And you don't need to browse using the library, which I agree is a pain.
In AllShare, go to Videos, then scroll down to Folders. From there you have the familiar layout you are used to from PS3MS.
StNickZA, I agree 100% with everything you have said! This should be in General though.
I haven't used AllShare that much, since I have a method that I prefer more:
First grab an app called 'File Expert' off the market. Set up an SMB file share to your movies and eps on your PC using normal windows sharing.
Then when you want something on your phone, just make sure you're on wifi, go to the SMB file share, hold down on the video and select copy. Then go back to local and paste it into the device. It will now say copying, and you can press the home button and go on with other stuff while it copies across.
The main benefit of this is that you don't have to worry about going out of range of wifi signal or anything, and it only takes a couple seconds to get the transfer started. Plus, no worrying about incompatibility or anything with streaming. Could be better, but it works.
If u have a nas like me, or wish to play videos from shared folders use CIFS Manager
No need to copy
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I just use an HTTP server (HFS, installation is extremely simple) and the Browser to get the files on my phone.
But that is exactly what I want to get rid of, copying the files. Haven't tried CIFS Manager yet, but got that on my list.
True.. buut, another launcher, removing glasslock and taskmanager under touchwiz makes it an even smoother ride imo. )
Tapatalk, Sgs elite.
PlanetJumble said:
But that is exactly what I want to get rid of, copying the files. Haven't tried CIFS Manager yet, but got that on my list.
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That's the beauty of DLNA. AllShare works perfectly off Media Player 11, and streaming is flawless. Very happy with it indeed!
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Depends how u use the phone.
Most of the things you said is right.
Only thing i don't agree is wirelless signal strenght.I had very good results on cm7.
Also i think cm is not for everyday use.
Butt on miui is diferent story.
Try miui
malcho said:
Depends how u use the phone.
Most of the things you said is right.
Only thing i don't agree is wirelless signal strenght.I had very good results on cm7.
Also i think cm is not for everyday use.
Butt on miui is diferent story.
Try miui
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I`m from first miui users on sgs. Most is same.
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Do you complain about 720p recording on CM and now you use a BM kernel?
Now, seriously, I get your point, and in fact I came back to JVT because of most of the reasons that you don´t use CM.
Anyway I must say that CM team is making a great work, and they have all my respect.
I'm really enjoying using MintBerry MIUI at the minute. Wouldn't think of going back to anything else other than back to CyanogenMod.
Jesus christ.
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Most of the force close on any rom is buggy apps.
Never had any fc on system apps.
Market is buggy app from begining so it's not relevant to talk about it.
Yes i miss also good video recording butt for my need it's ok.
Video playback can be solved with good video player.
Battery life pretty much the same on every rom depends how u use it.
I'm big fan of stock roms and specialy semaphore kernel,butt sometimes you have to try something else and help people to make things better.
cabessius said:
Do you complain about 720p recording on CM and now you use a BM kernel?
Now, seriously, I get your point, and in fact I came back to JVT because of most of the reasons that you don´t use CM.
Anyway I must say that CM team is making a great work, and they have all my respect.
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I have a big respect too. They works more for sgs compared to samsung.
I don't record 720p. I'm a heavy gamer. So flashed bigmem. But if I want sgs kernel flasher is 1 click away from me. (Still I can play 720p)
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malcho said:
Most of the force close on any rom is buggy apps.
Never had any fc on system apps.
Market is buggy app from begining so it's not relevant to talk about it.
Yes i miss also good video recording butt for my need it's ok.
Video playback can be solved with good video player.
Battery life pretty much the same on every rom depends how u use it.
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I'm sure battery life is so different on stock. Video playback can be solved with dice player. But I need to pay it.
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aaron.bufc said:
I'm really enjoying using MintBerry MIUI at the minute. Wouldn't think of going back to anything else other than back to CyanogenMod.
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But you will. Always same.
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OK, do tell us now why you don't use symbian and your dislike for iOS or maybe even WP. And than tell us about why you don't use other stock.zip roms and make sure you do the same about every custom kernel as well.
What is the point of this thread? You left enough silly posts on CM thread already. Why would one care about u not using CM7.
Should we all now write posts about it?
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Sounds like you hate CM7. Although I'll just take your post as an informative reminder for people debating on whether to jump from stock to CM7.
Much like stock, CM7 isn't perfect. Whichever benefits you more, choose it. Personally, I'm a huge fan of CM7. Just keep in mind that Android is all about choices.
It's a good guess that Samsung won't update our phones to ICS, so sooner or later if you want to stay up to date you will have to use CM.
upichie said:
Sounds like you hate CM7. Although I'll just take your post as an informative reminder for people debating on whether to jump from stock to CM7.
Much like stock, CM7 isn't perfect. Whichever benefits you more, choose it. Personally, I'm a huge fan of CM7. Just keep in mind that Android is all about choices.
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No I don't hate cyanogenmod. I hate samsung because of source codes. I am a big cyanogenmod fan too. But today the status is that.
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Fremen567 said:
OK, do tell us now why you don't use symbian and your dislike for iOS or maybe even WP. And than tell us about why you don't use other stock.zip roms and make sure you do the same about every custom kernel as well.
What is the point of this thread? You left enough silly posts on CM thread already. Why would one care about u not using CM7.
Should we all now write posts about it?
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I can do this. There is no reason for don't do. (WTF is iOS?) Because I'm not a fan boy. But take a look. On CM thread the fanboys avoiding real bugs. Accelerometer sensor is not only one. Their sensors are not good too. But they says my screen turns well. WTF. How can you understand accuary of that sensors turning screen 270 degrees! I follow cyanogen by nightly 28. Now thats 18x. Main reason is samsung. I know all will be fixed on cm9. But that is that on this time.
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While i agree that the content of this thread started by being kind of useless, people may take this as reference. With that in mind i'll add my personal experience to OP's arguments. I am assuming the latest stable CM release for this which is what i use daily since it came out. Pointing out bugs or stuff failing in nightlies is totally pointless, after all.
I have to use a custom kernel. Because 3D performance is so poor on stock cm kernel.
> wouldn't know. Have around 25 games installed and had issues with none. I don't dabble very much with heavy 3D games on a phone, not a fan of the virtual analog stick. Never felt the need for a kernel change either, CM's stock does everything i need.
-Yaffs2 is so corruptable.
> i had this as not being true. Think i've seen somewhere people saying there was no trouble with this file system. According to YAFFS's website
(http://yaffs.net/yaffs-nand-specific-flash-file-system-introductory-article)
"YAFFS uses journaling, error correction and verification techniques tuned to the way NAND typically fails, to enhance robustness."
So, if it's a filesystem using journaling, it has a way of reducing a chance of data corruption like the alternatives. Not sure about other differences between FS's but i've read this is what people deem as acceptable for data loss prevention.
Also, i've yet to experience data loss.
-No TV-Out because of samsung source codes.
> indeed. If this is a must have then it's a deal breaker. Although i'm yet to see anyone around me having a SGS that would actually use it's tv-out features. Never even seen on sale the specific tvout cable this phone uses in my country.
-With stock samsung camera app we have panaroma mode. Which is a new feature of new ics. We have it since eclair.
> True story. But that's easy to overcome. Just get an app from market like photaf.
-Even no world clock or timer on aosp. We have smart alarm with stock.
> Again, loads of apps on market, just pick your poison.
-I have to flash gapps.
> You gave yourself the trouble to replace a whole system. That's far more trouble than flashing a simple package. Takes just a few seconds to do it. And most you can get from market too.
-I have to flash radio. (JVK is not good for me.)
> If your stock rom doesn't bring the one that works for you you'd have to flash it anyway. It's quite fast too as modems are really small.
-Compass is not good. And gps too.
> Yea, i've seen some people saying this as well. I downloaded "Compass" from market and tried it out in several places comparing to a real one. Didn't make much difference so i'm assuming it's working correctly. GPS is a worn out subject. never really worked for me, no matter what rom i used.
-No hardware acceleration. Browser is laggy. Flash items too.
> I'm not even sure if any rom actually used hardware acceleration for browsing. First time i've heard about doing it was ICS. I did hear people saying something about browser being laggy if it was deodexed and if some compiler (not sure) was being used. But to be honest i've never used the default browser. Always been with opera mobile (it's important being the mobile and not mini). No lag whatsoever. Flash does stutter for a micro second while loading but it does play well and lag free after that. But this is flash we're talking about, it's heavy by nature.
-There is no real hapctic feedback.
> Not sure what you mean. Settings -> Sound settings -> Haptic feedback (last setting on the bottom). Don't like it but just tried it and it works.
-Accelerometer is laggy. Because of libs.
> Another one i've seen some people saying. Works great here i can play games like abduction and labyrinth perfectly. Also downloaded "Accelerometer" from market and it seems to be working fine.
-Battery life is still not much.
> Depends on how much you use it. Lasts easily a day with a few phone calls, loads of text messages, around 4 hours/day of screen on, always with wireless on. Got home at the end of the day and still had around 40%. More than a day is unrealistic, most likely i'd just end up having enough power for half a day if i don't charge overnight. While we're at it, CM doesn't have that dealbreaking bug that can be found on stock roms that makes your phone start using battery when it gets charged to 100% causing massive battery drops when the charger is unplugged. I actually downgraded to froyo just to prevent that.
-Touchwiz calendar and clock is great. Also I like tw keyboard launcher and great sns feature.
> i'm not sure what to say here. If it's touchwiz laucher you're missing you can just download it from the applications section here in XDA. Calendar and clocks have better alternatives from market anyway and i always replace the stock sms app with handcent or GO SMS pro.
-720p video recording + playing = choppy.
> i go to lots of concerts. Always record about half of it on the best resolution the phone has. No issues. Likewise for reproducing them later. Actually, video usually comes out better on dark places than photos.
-Touch pointer can't stand fast moves. Open multitouch test and move your finger a bit fast. Pointer will come after your finger. A bit laggy.
> I used a real case instead. Opened a multitouch keyboard (gingerbread), held my left index finger on shift and my right index finger swiping on the rest of the keyboard. Wasn't laggy at all, letter preview shows up instantly as soon as i go from one letter to another.
-Wireless signal is so poor. I can't connect in my room. (I write this from my room now. Stock JVT.)
> That's just your modem though and you can replace it for whatever works best for you. CM's stock (JVK) gives me the same results as any other modem i used. Always found it a very decent range as i can pick networks from neighbors even 2 apartments away.
-Provider can't understand your phone model so you must set your apns yourself.
> Mine did. I was kind of surprised it did actually, since i'm from portugal. Didn't need to set anything up, just worked.
-I can't see some apps on market with market enabler. I can with stock.
> Not sure how to test this. Can you tell of an app you can't see so i can try it out?
-I have to flash every nightly for a reason. And all needs fix some permissions..
> You don't have to flash them every night. It is actually unadvisable to do so since they are experimental and may screw up something with your phone. Just stick with the stable and if you feel you need to update it, read reviews about what your're flashing carefully first.
-People says you don't have to calibrate battery after every nightly. But cwm uncalibrating battery as hell already.
> You may have been reading the wrong stuff. You calibrate your battery after flashing a new rom. That's it. Poor battery performance is expected after that but evens out after a few charges. And again, you don't really need to flash all those nightlies. Just think about CM as any other rom. Others don't have updates every night either, you just flash it and be done with. Just do the same with CM.
But whatever works for you. Like someone said, no one really cares about what you use, if you feel comfortable with your setup, stick with it - it's all about choice.
I just did this because someone said it would take reference from this post for future people searching for reviews and since i get very different results from yours, i felt like reporting mine in your specific bullet points.
I stopped using it for a simple reason, I kept having issues with voice calls where the other party could not hear me. That was a deal breaker, as my phone is first and foremost a work tool and I cannot afford an unreliable phone
kaynpayn said:
While i agree that the content of this thread started by being kind of useless, people may take this as reference. With that in mind i'll add my personal experience to OP's arguments. I am assuming the latest stable CM release for this which is what i use daily since it came out. Pointing out bugs or stuff failing in nightlies is totally pointless, after all.
I have to use a custom kernel. Because 3D performance is so poor on stock cm kernel.
> wouldn't know. Have around 25 games installed and had issues with none. I don't dabble very much with heavy 3D games on a phone, not a fan of the virtual analog stick. Never felt the need for a kernel change either, CM's stock does everything i need.
-Yaffs2 is so corruptable.
> i had this as not being true. Think i've seen somewhere people saying there was no trouble with this file system. According to YAFFS's website
(http://yaffs.net/yaffs-nand-specific-flash-file-system-introductory-article)
"YAFFS uses journaling, error correction and verification techniques tuned to the way NAND typically fails, to enhance robustness."
So, if it's a filesystem using journaling, it has a way of reducing a chance of data corruption like the alternatives. Not sure about other differences between FS's but i've read this is what people deem as acceptable for data loss prevention.
Also, i've yet to experience data loss.
-No TV-Out because of samsung source codes.
> indeed. If this is a must have then it's a deal breaker. Although i'm yet to see anyone around me having a SGS that would actually use it's tv-out features. Never even seen on sale the specific tvout cable this phone uses in my country.
-With stock samsung camera app we have panaroma mode. Which is a new feature of new ics. We have it since eclair.
> True story. But that's easy to overcome. Just get an app from market like photaf.
-Even no world clock or timer on aosp. We have smart alarm with stock.
> Again, loads of apps on market, just pick your poison.
-I have to flash gapps.
> You gave yourself the trouble to replace a whole system. That's far more trouble than flashing a simple package. Takes just a few seconds to do it. And most you can get from market too.
-I have to flash radio. (JVK is not good for me.)
> If your stock rom doesn't bring the one that works for you you'd have to flash it anyway. It's quite fast too as modems are really small.
-Compass is not good. And gps too.
> Yea, i've seen some people saying this as well. I downloaded "Compass" from market and tried it out in several places comparing to a real one. Didn't make much difference so i'm assuming it's working correctly. GPS is a worn out subject. never really worked for me, no matter what rom i used.
-No hardware acceleration. Browser is laggy. Flash items too.
> I'm not even sure if any rom actually used hardware acceleration for browsing. First time i've heard about doing it was ICS. I did hear people saying something about browser being laggy if it was deodexed and if some compiler (not sure) was being used. But to be honest i've never used the default browser. Always been with opera mobile (it's important being the mobile and not mini). No lag whatsoever. Flash does stutter for a micro second while loading but it does play well and lag free after that. But this is flash we're talking about, it's heavy by nature.
-There is no real hapctic feedback.
> Not sure what you mean. Settings -> Sound settings -> Haptic feedback (last setting on the bottom). Don't like it but just tried it and it works.
-Accelerometer is laggy. Because of libs.
> Another one i've seen some people saying. Works great here i can play games like abduction and labyrinth perfectly. Also downloaded "Accelerometer" from market and it seems to be working fine.
-Battery life is still not much.
> Depends on how much you use it. Lasts easily a day with a few phone calls, loads of text messages, around 4 hours/day of screen on, always with wireless on. Got home at the end of the day and still had around 40%. More than a day is unrealistic, most likely i'd just end up having enough power for half a day if i don't charge overnight. While we're at it, CM doesn't have that dealbreaking bug that can be found on stock roms that makes your phone start using battery when it gets charged to 100% causing massive battery drops when the charger is unplugged. I actually downgraded to froyo just to prevent that.
-Touchwiz calendar and clock is great. Also I like tw keyboard launcher and great sns feature.
> i'm not sure what to say here. If it's touchwiz laucher you're missing you can just download it from the applications section here in XDA. Calendar and clocks have better alternatives from market anyway and i always replace the stock sms app with handcent or GO SMS pro.
-720p video recording + playing = choppy.
> i go to lots of concerts. Always record about half of it on the best resolution the phone has. No issues. Likewise for reproducing them later. Actually, video usually comes out better on dark places than photos.
-Touch pointer can't stand fast moves. Open multitouch test and move your finger a bit fast. Pointer will come after your finger. A bit laggy.
> I used a real case instead. Opened a multitouch keyboard (gingerbread), held my left index finger on shift and my right index finger swiping on the rest of the keyboard. Wasn't laggy at all, letter preview shows up instantly as soon as i go from one letter to another.
-Wireless signal is so poor. I can't connect in my room. (I write this from my room now. Stock JVT.)
> That's just your modem though and you can replace it for whatever works best for you. CM's stock (JVK) gives me the same results as any other modem i used. Always found it a very decent range as i can pick networks from neighbors even 2 apartments away.
-Provider can't understand your phone model so you must set your apns yourself.
> Mine did. I was kind of surprised it did actually, since i'm from portugal. Didn't need to set anything up, just worked.
-I can't see some apps on market with market enabler. I can with stock.
> Not sure how to test this. Can you tell of an app you can't see so i can try it out?
-I have to flash every nightly for a reason. And all needs fix some permissions..
> You don't have to flash them every night. It is actually unadvisable to do so since they are experimental and may screw up something with your phone. Just stick with the stable and if you feel you need to update it, read reviews about what your're flashing carefully first.
-People says you don't have to calibrate battery after every nightly. But cwm uncalibrating battery as hell already.
> You may have been reading the wrong stuff. You calibrate your battery after flashing a new rom. That's it. Poor battery performance is expected after that but evens out after a few charges. And again, you don't really need to flash all those nightlies. Just think about CM as any other rom. Others don't have updates every night either, you just flash it and be done with. Just do the same with CM.
But whatever works for you. Like someone said, no one really cares about what you use, if you feel comfortable with your setup, stick with it - it's all about choice.
I just did this because someone said it would take reference from this post for future people searching for reviews and since i get very different results from yours, i felt like reporting mine in your specific bullet points.
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We have hw acceleration with touchwiz browser. Amazingly smooth flash and scrolling.
Accelerometer is not smooth like stock.
Wireless signal depends on kernel not modem. Drivers are there.
You can't even just open dungeon defenders to play. As a 3D game.
Yesterday I have 7 hours screen on with stock. 3g off I have great uv.
For market look gameloft games. Gt racing for example.
3rd party clock and calendar hooks up my small ram. And so cheap quality on market.
Where can I download TW3 for cm7? I tried one and it lags like mad. Because no hw acceleration.
Hapctic feedback is not full. Compare the solo lite app from market with stock.
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I've was on xxjvt since it was leaked and last week for some reason every time I clicked on the browser it fc all the time so installed cm7 and I can't get any happer why didn't I install cyanogen sooner phone is running alot better now then it was on xxjvt no more gray squares when scrolling down the page
burakgon said:
We have hw acceleration with touchwiz browser. Amazingly smooth flash and scrolling.
Accelerometer is not smooth like stock.
Wireless signal depends on kernel not modem. Drivers are there.
You can't even just open dungeon defenders to play. As a 3D game.
Yesterday I have 7 hours screen on with stock. 3g off I have great uv.
For market look gameloft games. Gt racing for example.
3rd party clock and calendar hooks up my small ram. And so cheap quality on market.
Where can I download TW3 for cm7? I tried one and it lags like mad. Because no hw acceleration.
Hapctic feedback is not full. Compare the solo lite app from market with stock.
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You're right about the wireless drivers being on the kernel. But as i said, CM's stock works great for me.
Not sure what you meant with those 7h of screen... I mentioned my usage, not the limit on how much would my battery last if i had the screen on all the time.
You are right about gameloft games. But there are 2 very simple solutions to that: just get it from android market's website or replace your build.prop with the one on this thread:
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/33366-gameloft-games-not-showing-in-market/
I've seen a Touchwiz 4.5 app on the app section. Not sure specifically about TW3. I used 4.5 once on some other rom and liked it very much. But still not good enough for me to change from Go luncher and all those Go widgets though.
About hardware accelerated stuff, glad you found whatever works for you, the whole point of my answer wasn't proving you wrong, just telling people that other people have experienced differently in most of those points you were complaining.
Ok, in light of my recent hair-pulling problems with CM10.1 lately, I have decided to give to the community instead of taking from it.
The Mega-Audiorific Atrix Discussion Thread
Drumroll please... Wait... How could I forget about the bass.
If you are lazy with listening to music (shame on you), skip to 0:56
This thread is here for 2 reasons.
Code:
1. It is hard to find the information I'm about to provide.
2. I want people to provide their insight on anything music related to the Atrix such as the following:
Examples:
* What music player app do you like the most on your Atrix?
* What audio format do you listen to normally (MP3, FLAC) with it?
* What apps make your music sound better on the Moto Atrix?
* What rom makes the audio sound the best for you?
* What music sounds the best on your Atrix?
To keep this thread in this subforum however, and not the General Android Discussion section,
I ask that you only provide answers to these questions regarding the Atrix, and make that known.
This is not a "I love this artist!" or "I don't think you know very much about music." thread.
Please keep replies to a minimum, so that this does not get flooded with flamers or Nazi's (no offense meant...sorry if I offended).
Everyone has their opinion, and they have the right to defend it, but they don't have the right to attack with it.
Be mature. Pushing opinions on others will get you nowhere. Opinions are opinions, not facts.
Without further ado, let's get started.
And I will start with the main reason audio sounds generally better with your Atrix.
The reason your Atrix sounds so good is... (dun dun duuuuuh...badum ch!!)
The Atrix 4G has a dedicated audio chip in it! =3 It's a medium-low end Wolfson chip.
Hard to find the info for it, but I wanted to know what made PowerAMP with FLAC
sound so good compared to an iPhone with ALAC. (both with equalizer off, charger port on iPhone -> Audio jack/headphones)
If you do some digging, you'll find this to be true.
I'm going to miss my Atrix when it becomes time to move on to another phone
I have my eyes set on the HTC One X+ or the Samsung Galaxy S4,
depending on what my budget is when the time comes.
Drakonas said:
* What music player app do you like the most on your Atrix?
* What audio format do you listen to normally (MP3, FLAC) with it?
* What apps make your music sound better on the Moto Atrix?
* What rom makes the audio sound the best for you?
* What music sounds the best on your Atrix?
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1)Was using motorola's default. on gb had the best sound.
now im using xenoamp.
2) mp3. too little space for flacs
3)Again, xenoamp. its calibration functions REALLY makes a difference. like listening youtube in 240p vs 480p.
4)officicial bkur gb had the best stock sound... now, only xenoamp does...
5)Rock and techno.
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andresrivas said:
1)Was using motorola's default. on gb had the best sound.
now im using xenoamp.
2) mp3. too little space for flacs
3)Again, xenoamp. its calibration functions REALLY makes a difference. like listening youtube in 240p vs 480p.
4)officicial bkur gb had the best stock sound... now, only xenoamp does...
5)Rock and techno.
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Cool. I haven''t heard of XenoAMP. I'll check it out.
I guess I can answer the questions with my answers. Also, future readers, please don't think that you have to use these questions, specifically. This is a discussion thread! It's not just a poll!
1: I've used PowerAMP since I got into FLAC. For me, nothing has beaten the audio quality and ranges I can get out of PowerAMP.
2: I guess I answered this in #1 and my OP. I love and always will use FLAC. With that said, the best way to do this is to purchase the CDs yourself! To be honest, most local CDs are the same price, or even less expensive, than iTunes or other markets (Import albums, of course, cost more usually). Not only that, but you get upwards 10x the quality! How can you beat that? Seriously, try sticking an official CD (not burned from iTunes) in your car radio, if you have one, and hear the difference for yourself!
Of course, I understand that MP3's are way smaller, and going along with what andresrivas said, not everyone has a 16+GB SD card. xD
3: I will say that when I used to use GB, and I was testing out audio, I didn't feel like spending time working on PowerAMP's 10-band equalizer. It was just too much. So, I looked into other apps, and found that Equalizer helped to make things sound better, using its 5 band equalizer and many presets that I actually used to use. Check it out if you're looking for a better equalizer for your entire phone! (I'm guessing XenoAMP does something similar?)
4: Actually, recently I trying CM9 out (krystianp's version with the 3.1.10 kernel), and my phone sounded better than I heard it immediately upon restoring my PowerAMP app+data through TiBu (Titanium Backup) Pro. It was amazing, and I hadn't even changed the usual preset's settings that I used. For some reason, CM10.1 by Epinter doesn't sound as good though, which saddens me...
5: Drum & Bass. The phone and the audio systems I regularly use are able to really pick up those residual base backgrounds along with the short, punchy beats up front. Also, Hifana's albums sound amazing! You can check one of their songs out here, if you're interested. I linked to track 12 because it's awesome and shows you their style, but you will need to sign in to listen. I highly recommend this site for listening, because it's much higher quality than Youtube (almost lossless, it feels like), and they have a lot of albums available for free listening...
If you want more of Hifana, listen to that whole album, and then check out their Channel H album. All of their music is good, in my opinion.
* What music player app do you like the most on your Atrix?
PowerAMP
* What audio format do you listen to normally (MP3, FLAC) with it?
MP3 Flac and aac
* What apps make your music sound better on the Moto Atrix?
DSP Manager
* What rom makes the audio sound the best for you?
CyanogenMod 7.2
* What music sounds the best on your Atrix?
Heavy Metal :good:
Well.. its sad, My Atrix just stopped sounding. Neither from speaker, nor from headset. Wish I could do something about it without spending too much. :crying:
1. Player: Play Music
2. Music Format: MP3
3. App: DSP Manager with bass enhancement.
4. Rom: MROM
5. Music: Anything with good beats especially old school hip hop and glitch music.
crack.mech said:
Well.. its sad, My Atrix just stopped sounding.
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Sorry to hear about that.
You should try searching the forums, something like "Atrix 4G no sound" or "Atrix 4G sound issue". Adding your rom name or searching "stock" in addition to those might help if they apply to you.
I realize that you're just commenting on your situation (and not asking for support). Thanks for this.
If you're on stock, I can't help you much anyways. I haven't used stock Atrix in 2 years. I would search first, as per XDA rules/requests (plus it's just being courteous), then ask in the Atrix Q & A section of the forum. Perhaps a rom reinstall might help? (You can Factory Reset without rooting/unlocking bootloader)
Make sure to read instructions in the General threads, and of course the Beginners' Guide. They might help as well.
Just thought I'd try to help
(For future readers) This is in the general section, so support questions don't apply here. I'd also prefer not to have support question clutter. (I know you weren't exactly doing so, crack.mech )
Drakonas said:
Sorry to hear about that.
You should try searching the forums, something like "Atrix 4G no sound" or "Atrix 4G sound issue". Adding your rom name or searching "stock" in addition to those might help if they apply to you.
I realize that you're just commenting on your situation (and not asking for support). Thanks for this.
If you're on stock, I can't help you much anyways. I haven't used stock Atrix in 2 years. I would search first, as per XDA rules/requests (plus it's just being courteous), then ask in the Atrix Q & A section of the forum. Perhaps a rom reinstall might help? (You can Factory Reset without rooting/unlocking bootloader)
Make sure to read instructions in the General threads, and of course the Beginners' Guide. They might help as well.
Just thought I'd try to help
(For future readers) This is in the general section, so support questions don't apply here. I'd also prefer not to have support question clutter. (I know you weren't exactly doing so, crack.mech )
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Thanks for the suggestions Drakonas. I have been flashing different ROMs for a while now, and it doesn't seem to help. Though I hear some sort of crackling noise through the headset when I turn up the volume to full while playing music. As per my (re)search this seems to be a flex cable issue, but seems a bit wierd, as the speaker is not connected via flex cable ( I have opened up my atrix a few times!1 ). So I seriously doubt replacing the flex cable would help. But except for the audio issues, my atrix is still going strong, all thanks to the great developer community here.
And, I am seriously sorry to hijack this thread. Please accept my apologies.
crack.mech said:
Thanks for the suggestions Drakonas. I have been flashing different ROMs for a while now, and it doesn't seem to help. Though I hear some sort of crackling noise through the headset when I turn up the volume to full while playing music. As per my (re)search this seems to be a flex cable issue, but seems a bit wierd, as the speaker is not connected via flex cable ( I have opened up my atrix a few times!1 ). So I seriously doubt replacing the flex cable would help. But except for the audio issues, my atrix is still going strong, all thanks to the great developer community here.
And, I am seriously sorry to hijack this thread. Please accept my apologies.
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Did you try to connect your atrix through an external portable amplifier? This may help.
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1. PowerAMP
2. MP3 Flac and aac
3. DSP Manager
4. CyanogenMod 7.2
5. Heavy Metal :good:
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1. Yep... I like it too.
2. Hey, whatever suits your preference.
3. Yeah, with some tweaking of it, you can get good sound. (This is from/for CyanogenMod roms for those who don't know) If I'm listening to music with PowerAMP, though, I don't like DSP Manager on. It's my preference, since I've customized PowerAMP's 10-band equalizer myself, vs DSP Manager's 5-band equalizer. Running 10-band through 5-band can defeat the purpose of the 10-band, but it depends I suppose.
4. Love CyanogenMod! Are you using a popular rom, by chance? I don't have the knowledge to customize a rom yet, so I usually just use one of the pre-built roms out there. My favorite for CM7 on the Atrix was Neutrino, but I changed to Atrix-MROM because it had the same battery-life and even better performance for me. Plus, the developer knows more what he's doing. He's part of the new 4.0 Kernel Project team.
5. I don't really listen to heavy metal, not anymore at least. I guess I grew up around teens that listened to it and thought it was the most amazing thing ever. (plus they often didn't care to try any other music. This probably differs you from them, hopefully ) I soon learned that there are thousands and possibly millions of styles of music out there, and there's more around every doorstep. I've spent the last 5 years building my music tastes, and I've switched favorite genres about 20 times, until I found the underground 20-year-old Drum & Bass scene.
But to each their own. Any specific artists that you like? I used to listen to DragonForce a lot, but I guess that's more Power Metal than Heavy Metal.
anaschillin said:
1. Player: Play Music
2. Music Format: MP3
3. App: DSP Manager with bass enhancement.
4. Rom: MROM
5. Music: Anything with good beats especially old school hip hop and glitch music.
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1. Hey, saving music in the cloud can be really useful. I guess the only reason I wouldn't want to is (A) I prefer FLAC which isn't usually provided and (B) I don't have a data plan currently, so playing on the go would be impossible. I have a lot of space anyways... I suppose you have a phone without much space to hold music?
2. Again, space. Plus I suppose it's the best format to use with Play Music.
3. Yeah, DSP really helps with MP3. I agree. I will say that if you get better headphones, you'll get better bass and clarity. I recommend some $10 to $20 Koss in-ear headphones for the lowest price, if you're not the person to have money laying around. Off-brand are usually crap, like Skullcandy. And for goodness sakes, if you want high-end headphones don't buy Beats by Dr. Dre. It is well known that they are overpriced pieces of crap compared to what you could get for half (or even less) of the price. Get some Audio-Technica Over-the-ears if you have that kind of money.
4. I love MROM. Best CM7 for Atrix in my opinion.
5. Nice! Make sure you check out Autechre and Flying Lotus, if you haven't already!
Drakonas said:
1. Yep... I like it too.
2. Hey, whatever suits your preference.
3. Yeah, with some tweaking of it, you can get good sound. (This is from/for CyanogenMod roms for those who don't know) If I'm listening to music with PowerAMP, though, I don't like DSP Manager on. It's my preference, since I've customized PowerAMP's 10-band equalizer myself, vs DSP Manager's 5-band equalizer. Running 10-band through 5-band can defeat the purpose of the 10-band, but it depends I suppose.
4. Love CyanogenMod! Are you using a popular rom, by chance? I don't have the knowledge to customize a rom yet, so I usually just use one of the pre-built roms out there. My favorite for CM7 on the Atrix was Neutrino, but I changed to Atrix-MROM because it had the same battery-life and even better performance for me. Plus, the developer knows more what he's doing. He's part of the new 4.0 Kernel Project team.
5. I don't really listen to heavy metal, not anymore at least. I guess I grew up around teens that listened to it and thought it was the most amazing thing ever. (plus they often didn't care to try any other music. This probably differs you from them, hopefully ) I soon learned that there are thousands and possibly millions of styles of music out there, and there's more around every doorstep. I've spent the last 5 years building my music tastes, and I've switched favorite genres about 20 times, until I found the underground 20-year-old Drum & Bass scene.
But to each their own. Any specific artists that you like? I used to listen to DragonForce a lot, but I guess that's more Power Metal than Heavy Metal.
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2. The most part of music i keep in mp3
4. Yes, i use official cm, last nightly. But recently i was try cm 10.1 with 3.1 kernel... and i like it
5. I love this music from childhood
Iron Maiden, Chrome Division, Черный обелиск and little Ария. I also listen other genre of rock and metal . List all my favorite groups take much time, so i attached screenshot
Sorry for my bad English
How about adding links to all music enhancers... i.e. dsp manager, beats, voodoo or what ever else they have for Atrix... And I know voodoo is not for Atrix...
Sent 4rm My O.G. Atrix on it's Lapdock using Weptop+... Which let me add is so Extra F***ing Beast... Galaxy S4 can't touch this...
Atrix MROM with Shure E4c
Nice to know there are still Atrix fans. I am addicted to the sound quality delivered by Moto Atrix since 2011. Now I have three of it (one 2.3.4 as mobile, one MROM with minor touch screen defect as music player and one brand new as spare).
music app -> DoomPlay (it plays additional ALAC, 24bit96 WAV, BUT play mp3 may distort);
audio format -> mainly 16_44 WAV, some ALAC;
app sound better -> DSP manager with enabled bass boost set moderate, enabled equaliser set acoustic;
rom sound best -> MROM with DSP manager
best music sounds -> M.J., The Carpenters, Korea OST like ht tps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6n5Ho9n9OPM
Moto Atrix drives my shure E4c earphone pretty well. No portable amplifier required.
Instead of MROM, I find the music sound seems a bit better from my Atrix 2.2.2.
I can feel the pure silence, position is more accurate and more crisp clear.
Hi guys, I am new to XDA forum, but I am not so new to android. Before my s4 I possessed nexus 4. It will sound weird but I love TouchWiz. Here, I said it! When I had my nexus I was always in finding the best custom rom. My daily life was busy of constantly searching the best*apps*and roms for my phone. I am a civil engineering student and my job isn't related with android at all lol. Pure android isn't the thing which suits me, I understood that after I bought my s4.
Now, I don't feel flashing any roms, enjoying the s*apps*and using my phone as its supposed to be. I am more than satisfied with the TW customisation. I am curious, are there any people who are like me. Who prefer to stick to what the manufacturer had built in and take a full advantage of what they paid for. I am confused because I see a lot posts related with custom roms and mods. Are these people doing that for hobby or their job is related with programming or etc. I will appreciate any any comment on the topic. I am also curios about how people use their phone in their daily life. For example I use my phone for music, camera, planing my day, taking quick notes and sorting my shopping list, keep in touch with my close people, using social*apps*and etc. How about you?
well as far as i know only like 1% of the Sgs4 users flash custom roms or do anything root related
most people are pretty much happy with the whole TouchWiz deal
except those that get bugs, slowdown, crashes, etc. cause the updates containing those fixes take months to reach the handset unless you live in one of those regions that get updated first
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I have a phone with such a good hardware and software that sometimes, I just dont know for what to use it. This is why i am a bit curios how you guys here are using your phone and for what most.
adaway
adobe reader
airdroid
avg
anycut
aptoide
barcoo
colornote
detexify
dolphin
opera
dropbox
google earth
ebuddy
tv guide
flash player
foldersync
jorte
kaiten
cam
dictionary
moon+ reader
meridian player
app for public transport
alarm clock
quickpic
series guide
torch
weather
viber
wolframalpha
youtube
and i use all of them... any questions?
edit: forgot the most important: tasker
Exactly for what are you using TASKER ?
I didn't like the TouchWiz version.... it's just full of apps that I will never use...
But I confess that I'm kinda tired of trying ROMs with bugs that will let me down in some ocasions...
Oh well...I wish i had bought a N4 or N5...
Hey,
I believe the use depends of the person, I for myself use it a lot to play some games (Cytus, Time Surfer, Asphalt 8 and Tetris), watch videos, listen to music (emphasis on listen to music) and take pictures. Also just like all my devices it is my "dev playground", I play a little with it, try many new things. Currently I'm very happy with my setup, as I have a dual boot and can enjoy the smoothness of AOSP and the beauty/apps of Touchwiz . If you are unsure you can try doing that and then you can always change according to the day lol, like today I feel more TW, yesterday I already used AOSP lol.
Hope this helps a little...
~Lord
"This Story Ends Where It Began" - Octavarium (Dream Theater)
Sent from my Monster S4
I got a Google Play edition I9505, so I have stock 4.3 Android, no TouchWhiz features. I would like to have the Smart Stay, and maybe the Samsung Camera. Some of the other features I have made up for using Xposed. But having a Google Play phone, happy to know that I will be getting KitKat before Carrier Branded S4s will.
XxLordxX said:
Hey,
I believe the use depends of the person, I for myself use it a lot to play some games (Cytus, Time Surfer, Asphalt 8 and Tetris), watch videos, listen to music (emphasis on listen to music) and take pictures. Also just like all my devices it is my "dev playground", I play a little with it, try many new things. Currently I'm very happy with my setup, as I have a dual boot and can enjoy the smoothness of AOSP and the beauty/apps of Touchwiz . If you are unsure you can try doing that and then you can always change according to the day lol, like today I feel more TW, yesterday I already used AOSP lol.
Hope this helps a little...
~Lord
"This Story Ends Where It Began" - Octavarium (Dream Theater)
Sent from my Monster S4
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Nice to hear that. But the thing is that you are a dev and i am not. So you can use your phone on full capacity and squeeze every extra of it. I wont go so far and have a dual boot. Although i am rooted and have the latest 4.3, I regret now because my KNOX bootloader shows 0x1,