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So this is like my third week with my phone, i have never dropped it. Today all of a sudden my front speaker just stopped working just like that. I call people and no one can hear me, nor can i hear them.
What could be wrong?
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orphan22 said:
So this is like my third week with my phone, i have never dropped it. Today all of a sudden my front speaker just stopped working just like that. I call people and no one can hear me, nor can i hear them.
What could be wrong?
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If no one can hear you then your microphone has issues too. So either two pieces of hardware just randomly failed when you did nothing to the phone or something else is up. Does speaker phone work on a phone call? Are the voice features working on your phone, voice to text, voice search, etc.?
irishrally said:
If no one can hear you then your microphone has issues too. So either two pieces of hardware just randomly failed when you did nothing to the phone or something else is up. Does speaker phone work on a phone call? Are the voice features working on your phone, voice to text, voice search, etc.?
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its really strange, the back speaker does work, i can hear notifications and games, the mic works too, i tried it on google now, it searched just fine, its just when i call or get calls, its like if the phone get muted or something.
A friend told me that maybe its cus i was using some headphones and it still detecting them?
I really dont know whats up here.
It got like that just like that, never dropped it nothing.
also i try calling people with headphones and still dont work.
orphan22 said:
its really strange, the back speaker does work, i can hear notifications and games, the mic works too, i tried it on google now, it searched just fine, its just when i call or get calls, its like if the phone get muted or something.
A friend told me that maybe its cus i was using some headphones and it still detecting them?
I really dont know whats up here.
It got like that just like that, never dropped it nothing.
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Well that's good it doesn't seem to be a hardware issue. Are you stock? Did you install any new app recently that interacts with the phone app, voip, etc? Here are some thing you can try, if the first doesn't work, try the second, and if that doesn't work the third.
- double check your phone app settings/rom settings and reboot
- Clear phone app data and cache in settings/apps and reboot(you'll lose your call log)
- wipe cache, dalvik cache and reflash whatever rom you're running
irishrally said:
Well that's good it doesn't seem to be a hardware issue. Are you stock? Did you install any new app recently that interacts with the phone app? Here are some thing you can try, if the first doesn't work, try the second, and if that doesn't work the third.
- double check your phone app settings/rom settings and reboot
- Clear phone app data and cache in settings/apps and reboot(you'll lose your call log)
- wipe cache, dalvik cache and reflash whatever rom you're running
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im on a stock rom, the only app i know i installed was beats + louder, i was hearing music today all day.
Then when i went to make a call this happened, already did a factory reset.
is there a way to like odin to start fresh?
You can do a full wipe and flash the factory image as described here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2010312
I'm surprised the factory reset didn't fix it though.
irishrally said:
You can do a full wipe and flash the factory image as described here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2010312
I'm surprised the factory reset didn't fix it though.
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yah bro im so bummed, i have try calling with headphones but i dont even her the other phone ring on it :/
orphan22 said:
So this is like my third week with my phone, i have never dropped it. Today all of a sudden my front speaker just stopped working just like that. I call people and no one can hear me, nor can i hear them.
What could be wrong?
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Maybe hardware problem: (
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so strange, it works perfectly when calling trough google talk, its just wont work trough normal call
orphan22 said:
so strange, it works perfectly when calling trough google talk, its just wont work trough normal call
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It's your sim operator's fault.
Try calling your mobile operator,and ask for a replacement sim.
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orphan22 said:
so strange, it works perfectly when calling trough google talk, its just wont work trough normal call
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orphan22 said:
yah bro im so bummed, i have try calling with headphones but i dont even her the other phone ring on it :/
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thanks for all your help, managed to fix it, it appear to be a system file that got messed up when i flashed LOUDER + Beats.
Flashed a new rom and it was good as new, still i loved stock tho
orphan22 said:
thanks for all your help, managed to fix it, it appear to be a system file that got messed up when i flashed LOUDER + Beats.
Flashed a new rom and it was good as new, still i loved stock tho
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So reflash a stock rom.
RMA it bro ...it's a dead bird
I have the same exact issue. The second I powered on the phone when I got it it made this crackling sound, like static. Notifications, calls, and music would go from fine to crackling. Then one day while listening to music it made this crackling sound ( I describe it as rice crispies popping, but way louder) then this static sound, then pop! No calls, no notifications, no music, no nothing. Rma'd on the 1st and I'm still waiting.
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ehhh... im pretty sure its the beats louder mod. before you installed it you didnt have a problem.
munchy_cool said:
RMA it bro ...it's a dead bird
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did you even read the rest of the post, he got it fixed -.-
hi guys can anyone help ...
i have nexus 4 and i had no problems on 4.2.1 but last night i updated to 4.2.2 but now i have in call problems
i cannot hear anyone or the cannot hear me ......
this only happened after the update
everything is standard and i have not rooted or flashed anything as i am not great when it comes to that stuff
i contacted google this morning and they want me to send my phone to lg for warrenty
but i said why the hardware isnt at fault as voice comand still works on google now ect so the mic isnt defective ect
if anyone can help that will be great as i am lost without it
cheers in advance
lee
gsracinguk said:
hi guys can anyone help ...
i have nexus 4 and i had no problems on 4.2.1 but last night i updated to 4.2.2 but now i have in call problems
i cannot hear anyone or the cannot hear me ......
this only happened after the update
everything is standard and i have not rooted or flashed anything as i am not great when it comes to that stuff
i contacted google this morning and they want me to send my phone to lg for warrenty
but i said why the hardware isnt at fault as voice comand still works on google now ect so the mic isnt defective ect
if anyone can help that will be great as i am lost without it
cheers in advance
lee
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I wish I could help you. I am having the same issue. When attempting to make a call, it sometimes takes 30seconds to connect, and when/if it connects, roughly 45ish seconds into the call, it will drop. then trying to reconnect is difficult. Uhg, I love this phone, but I do occasionally need to make a call.
jc0187 said:
I wish I could help you. I am having the same issue. When attempting to make a call, it sometimes takes 30seconds to connect, and when/if it connects, roughly 45ish seconds into the call, it will drop. then trying to reconnect is difficult. Uhg, I love this phone, but I do occasionally need to make a call.
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You guys should both re-flash the 4.2.2
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BigDig said:
You guys should both re-flash the 4.2.2
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Did this fix the issue ? I got the same issue and a permanent dull green led ?
I am having the same issue, I just updated manually to 4.2.2 from 4.2. someone help!
milesxd said:
I am having the same issue, I just updated manually to 4.2.2 from 4.2. someone help!
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What "Baseband version" version do you have? This is a known issue when using 4.2.2 with any radio image older than .48
The culprit in this matter is not a rom issue but rather the baseband that you are on. For most people who retained to the older .33 baseband or lower have been experiencing the same issues you have encountered. If you upgrade your baseband to .48, the ability to hear calls will return by doing so. Unless you want to return to the 4.2.1 rom and use the .33 baseband.
Hi guys i need your help because i'm a super noob,
I'm new to the samsung/android world. I've been an apple fan boy and decided to switch.
I bought a samsung galxy s4 i9505 it was on 3 UK. The phone works fine but after a few calls, I can't hear the other person and they can't hear me. When I restart the phone it works fine again and then after a while it does it again. I updated the phone and also restored it to factory settings. Do you have any idea what could be causing the problem? I will be forever grateful if you guys can help me!
Thank you all in advance.
Mike
no luck
todorovic said:
Hi guys i need your help because i'm a super noob,
I'm new to the samsung/android world. I've been an apple fan boy and decided to switch.
I bought a samsung galxy s4 i9505 it was on 3 UK. The phone works fine but after a few calls, I can't hear the other person and they can't hear me. When I restart the phone it works fine again and then after a while it does it again. I updated the phone and also restored it to factory settings. Do you have any idea what could be causing the problem? I will be forever grateful if you guys can help me!
Thank you all in advance.
Mike
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Come on guys please help me im super desperate
todorovic said:
Come on guys please help me im super desperate
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I switched from iphone 4 to S4 too. Didn't encounter such problem.
Try full wipe your phone using custom recovery, and flash latest stock rom. If problem still persist, it might be hardware problem.
I recommend this custom recovery.
lzk123 said:
I switched from iphone 4 to S4 too. Didn't encounter such problem.
Try full wipe your phone using custom recovery, and flash latest stock rom. If problem still persist, it might be hardware problem.
I recommend this custom recovery.
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I did a full flash with the latest firmware and kernel
i though about it but would the hardware issue be fixed with a reboot?
todorovic said:
I did a full flash with the latest firmware and kernel
i though about it but would the hardware issue be fixed with a reboot?
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Not full flash. What I meant was FULL WIPE. You have to flash custom recovery like the one i recommended, and clear dalvik, cache, /system, /data, /preload. This will ensure everything is cleared and that firmware you flashed will not be affected by leftovers from previous firmware.
nope
lzk123 said:
Not full flash. What I meant was FULL WIPE. You have to flash custom recovery like the one i recommended, and clear dalvik, cache, /system, /data, /preload. This will ensure everything is cleared and that firmware you flashed will not be affected by leftovers from previous firmware.
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Tried it and it does exactly the same. I make a call, and if i lock the phone straight away. there is no sound in the next call i make
dumbest fix
todorovic said:
Tried it and it does exactly the same. I make a call, and if i lock the phone straight away. there is no sound in the next call i make
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dumbest fix ever, but its been ok since Friday. Went to mobile networks, and changed network mode to WCDMA only. and Its been fine since. Thank you for your replies!!
i9505 Sound Problem
todorovic said:
dumbest fix ever, but its been ok since Friday. Went to mobile networks, and changed network mode to WCDMA only. and Its been fine since. Thank you for your replies!!
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I have the exactly same phenomena on my new Samsung S4 i9505.
Took it to the lab , and they have replaced the "Ringer" hardware , but it did not help .
I tried changing it today to WCDMA Only , but I doubt if this will help . Don't believe in miracles .
The next thing to do is a Hard Reset and install OS from scratch .
If anyone knows the solution please advise .
Tx ,
Udi
someone have solution for that issuu?
hi,
i have the same Problem.
i did hard reset, i had try to change wcdma and i had install few differents rom but still not working.
only on Cellular calls i cant hear and be heard, but in TANGO,SKYPE and VIBER i can talk.
and i dont have warranty.
someone have solution for that issuu?
=(
sagi1952 said:
hi,
i have the same Problem.
i did hard reset, i had try to change wcdma and i had install few differents rom but still not working.
only on Cellular calls i cant hear and be heard, but in TANGO,SKYPE and VIBER i can talk.
and i dont have warranty.
someone have solution for that issuu?
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has any1 found a fix?
Its been happening to me on the s4 active
I bought this phone unlocked in NYC, i dont live in America.
its getting worse and worse,
i make a phone call and people dont hear me, or they hear a heavy noise, and i dont hear them aswell
the guy on the store told me i had a 1 week warranty with the store and a year with Samsung.
im about to do a factory reset and hope it gets fixed.
resetting the phone used to work now it doesnt.
HELP
S4 call problem's fix
Hi guys.. I found what causes the problem, it's Viber and Tango they take over the phone calls so you have to remove them and it will work again. It's supposed to work immediately but if not restart your phone hope it helps
nanasmart said:
Hi guys.. I found what causes the problem, it's Viber and Tango they take over the phone calls so you have to remove them and it will work again. It's supposed to work immediately but if not restart your phone hope it helps
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I am experiencing the same issue, and i also doubted viber, however some friends has viber installed and arent having any problem.
todorovic said:
dumbest fix ever, but its been ok since Friday. Went to mobile networks, and changed network mode to WCDMA only. and Its been fine since. Thank you for your replies!!
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Ok i had the same issue here too. To test if it was my in call receiver i recorded my voice using the phone's voice recorder - and sure enough I could here the loud crackling noise that people on the other end claim they hear. Really strange because the call is fine if I use my (wired) headset or put the call on speakerphone.
I followed the advice on here and changed the network mode to WCDMA and all is well so far. crackling noise is gone and even the voice recorder is working fine now. I'm on Three Mobile UK (like OP). I think theres something up with the way the phones modem interacts with their signal/equipment. Hopefull thats the last I see of that issue. Fingers crossed,
I9505 Sounds fix
todorovic said:
Hi guys i need your help because i'm a super noob,
I'm new to the samsung/android world. I've been an apple fan boy and decided to switch.
I bought a samsung galxy s4 i9505 it was on 3 UK. The phone works fine but after a few calls, I can't hear the other person and they can't hear me. When I restart the phone it works fine again and then after a while it does it again. I updated the phone and also restored it to factory settings. Do you have any idea what could be causing the problem? I will be forever grateful if you guys can help me!
Thank you all in advance.
Mike
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Ok here is what worked for me to get all sounds back working on your gs4 first thing is to get hold of a stock unlocked Rom i9505XXUEMJ7 flash this in Odin 3.0.7 by putting the phone into download mode Switch phone off, HOLD DOWN HOME, POWER, VOLUME,DOWN, BUTTONS all at the same time till you see green Android open Odin up plug in cable click on PDA search for the i9505XXUAEMJ7.MD5 you downloaded it might take a few mins for Odin to find it once it has just click on START and let it do its thing DONT DISCONNECT while going through this process when its finished then like you did in Odin flash the (open recovery TWRP.tar) the same way only take like 10 sec it will reboot itself. Now after it starts up if you have a backup in ex-sdcard restore to that custom rom flash it let it boot up now your going to see in the bottom left hand corner safe mode, now try your volume keys on side of phone if you hear sounds then your good to go, now all you have to do then is reboot phone and when it comes back on everything should all be back to normal. Hope this helps
I am also facing same problem. Is it hardware problem? I am on warranty, if hardware problem it may replaced by samsung. Please advise.
I Have The Same Problem!! Cant Hear Calls!!
Was this ever solved I'm experiencing the same issue. I cant hear callers or even the ringing when calling people. The weird part is it works when hooked up to my bluetooth in my car. If I restart my phone it will work for a little while then the issue comes back. I restored to factory settings and flashed AT&T's stock firmware still no luck. Someone please help!!!
any luck?
I was in a vibercall with my friend and heard some weird sounds like the ones when u tried to connect to internet in the olden days. Since than I am unable to hear a word and the other party as well can't hear nothing on a cellular call(viber and Skype etc working fine means no hardware issue, antenna is fine as the call connects perfectly and sms sent and received promptly). I reset my phone after backing up with samsung kies which was a headache in itself. After the reset problem persists but when I changed my sim card problem was solved but that didn't last long after a few minutes the glitch was still there. So its been more than 4 days now I am using S4 Active kindly let me know if you guys found any solution or else I will just hit to the repair center.
And if any custom rom than please note its s4 active i9525.
Thanks
NO voice During call
hi guys
i have a problem with my s4 9505, i cant hear voice during network but i can hear voice on whatsapp/skype.
I have tried rebooting, even i switched to previous OS 4.4.2 , but in vain.
please suggest some solution
Hello everyone...
I ordered a Nexus 4 right before the announce date of the new Nexus 5, and it was straight from Google Play in the US. When I received the phone I had no chance to check it out since it uses the micro sim and I was leaving next day morning to another country.
Reached my final destination, and got me a new sim card "micro", inserted the sim card and as soon as i powered it on, it asked me for an update! The phone came with stock rom 4.3 and it asked for two updates:
4.4 and then it updated it self to 4.4.2 Kitkat
After the phone updated it self, I tried to use it by making a phone call and guess what? No audio, neither from my end or the other end, even the voip applications such as skype, viber or any other calling app..
Found also that my mic doesn't record at all in any of the apps, neither video, or even with a headphone mic!
I have searched the internet for such problem, and it appeared there are 1000's of people complaining about the no call audio issue. Some of my friends recommended me to ask my question here in your forum, since there are a lot of talented people around and here I am..
I checked your forum before posting this thread, and non of the cases applies to me at all. But!! The only thing that I came a cross is this link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/fix-call-audio-t-mobile-4-2-2-33-radio-t2233319
When i did that fix, I was able to hear the ring through the wired earphones during the regular outbound voice calls. And I was able to make voip calls through skype, viber and majictalk. ONLY THROUGH the wired headphones.
And got stock now at that point and I don't know what to do next...
So my question is:
Can any of you guys can help me out by attaching/sending a fully functioning Nexus 4 running 4.4.2 rom >> snd_soc_msm_2x_Fusion3 file??
That would be my last chance before tossing that piece of garbage in the trash.. I want to try the snd_soc_msm_2x_Fusion3 of a normal phone since the one I have changed, for some reason the lines never matched the original thread by big time!
Please let me know if any of you can upload one.
Kind regards and thanks in advance
Kiranov said:
Hello everyone...
I ordered a Nexus 4 right before the announce date of the new Nexus 5, and it was straight from Google Play in the US. When I received the phone I had no chance to check it out since it uses the micro sim and I was leaving next day morning to another country.
Reached my final destination, and got me a new sim card "micro", inserted the sim card and as soon as i powered it on, it asked me for an update! The phone came with stock rom 4.3 and it asked for two updates:
4.4 and then it updated it self to 4.4.2 Kitkat
After the phone updated it self, I tried to use it by making a phone call and guess what? No audio, neither from my end or the other end, even the voip applications such as skype, viber or any other calling app..
Found also that my mic doesn't record at all in any of the apps, neither video, or even with a headphone mic!
I have searched the internet for such problem, and it appeared there are 1000's of people complaining about the no call audio issue. Some of my friends recommended me to ask my question here in your forum, since there are a lot of talented people around and here I am..
I checked your forum before posting this thread, and non of the cases applies to me at all. But!! The only thing that I came a cross is this link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/fix-call-audio-t-mobile-4-2-2-33-radio-t2233319
If that doesn't work out you can try to flash different radios, not sure which one you need though. But it can all be done inside the toolkit
When i did that fix, I was able to hear the ring through the wired earphones during the regular outbound voice calls. And I was able to make voip calls through skype, viber and majictalk. ONLY THROUGH the wired headphones.
And got stock now at that point and I don't know what to do next...
So my question is:
Can any of you guys can help me out by attaching/sending a fully functioning Nexus 4 running 4.4.2 rom >> snd_soc_msm_2x_Fusion3 file??
That would be my last chance before tossing that piece of garbage in the trash.. I want to try the snd_soc_msm_2x_Fusion3 of a normal phone since the one I have changed, for some reason the lines never matched the original thread by big time!
Please let me know if any of you can upload one.
Kind regards and thanks in advance
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My best guess is to unlock the bootloader and install a factory image.
here's a noob friendly toolkit > http://forum.xda-developers.com/nex...olkit-wugs-nexus-root-toolkit-v1-8-0-t2015469
hope it works out:good:
shaggydiamond said:
My best guess is to unlock the bootloader and install a factory image.
here's a noob friendly toolkit > http://forum.xda-developers.com/nex...olkit-wugs-nexus-root-toolkit-v1-8-0-t2015469
hope it works out:good:
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Thank you for the reply.. Maybe I wasn't clear enough.. But I have tried every single solution out there... Till I reached this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexu...radio-t2233319
The voip works now but with only wired headset.. And through the earpiece I was able to hear the other party's ring.. But when he/she answers I can't hear them or they can't hear me..
That means it is not a hardware issue tho "as far as my knowledge"!
Again, I have tried to downgrade, I even reached the 4.2.1 rom, with all the up to the current one 4.4.2, I have tried different radios, ..etc NO LUCK!
I have uploaded my original file tho if that will help
Thank you again
Kiranov said:
Thank you for the reply.. Maybe I wasn't clear enough.. But I have tried every single solution out there... Till I reached this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexu...radio-t2233319
The voip works now but with only wired headset.. And through the earpiece I was able to hear the other party's ring.. But when he/she answers I can't hear them or they can't hear me..
That means it is not a hardware issue tho "as far as my knowledge"!
Again, I have tried to downgrade, I even reached the 4.2.1 rom, with all the up to the current one 4.4.2, I have tried different radios, ..etc NO LUCK!
I have uploaded my original file tho if that will help
Thank you again
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I'm kinda clueless here.. Do you have warranty on it?
I would take it to the store if I were you. But I guess you're pretty far away from the store you bought it from.
My attachment didn't upload! Let me try again..
And regarding the warranty, YES! It has a full year warranty.. About the store.. here is the issue, I left the USA the next I received my phone.. The item was purchased from Google Play directly.. Now they have no issue to return it or do RMA.. The thing is to ship it back and forth will cost me four time the money that I paid for! Its better to toss it away and get me a different phone since the Nexus has a lot of issues even tho with brand new N5
NOTE: The file has been uploaded.
Thanks
I recently updated my xt575 with the September security patch. Since then my microphone doesn't work only when making a phone call on speakerphone. Normal phone calls, audio and video recording, and voice commands all work just fine. I have tried booting into safe mode with no success, and then did a full factory reset and held off on downloading anything before trying again, still with no success. Is anyone else having this issue? Does anyone know of a fix or workaround for this before I try contacting Motorola? Thanks.
P.s. I am on stock ROM on Att network. I use Android pay a lot so would like to avoid rooting.
SirMiks said:
I recently updated my xt575 with the September security patch. Since then my microphone doesn't work only when making a phone call on speakerphone. Normal phone calls, audio and video recording, and voice commands all work just fine. I have tried booting into safe mode with no success, and then did a full factory reset and held off on downloading anything before trying again, still with no success. Is anyone else having this issue? Does anyone know of a fix or workaround for this before I try contacting Motorola? Thanks.
P.s. I am on stock ROM on Att network. I use Android pay a lot so would like to avoid rooting.
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Same man. It's weird too. It will fix itself after a couple days - or at least mine did
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Odd... I am on AT&T, for the moment at least, and use my speakerphone all the time, never had an issue before or after the update.
Try clearing your cache partition maybe?
Same problem
Hello. I'm trying to solve my Moto's mic for over a week now.
I was trying many ROMs, but ended up using TruePureXMM ROM along with franken kernel.
It was all working fine, except some overall phone lag and constantly trying out other kernel auditor settings...
...untill about 2 weeks ago. Phone's microUSB port got damaged, and I had to return my phone to repair service.
After I received it back, I wanted to try out some Nougat ROMs, and tried couple of them, but found out that the mic isn't working properly there.
Decided to return back to stock, using this forums tutorials, done it without any single errors or problems in the process, I did many devices roms changes before.
It didn't help at all. The receiver don't hear me at all, the only sound they can hear is when I blow into the mic's direction.
*Note that when I change to speaker mode, the receiver hear me with some breaks in between, but it's the only way to call from now on...
I'm confused now, completely no idea if it is really the OS problem, or if it's just something with the microphone itself.
Looking forward for any tips, thanks for help.
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Same man. It's weird too. It will fix itself after a couple days - or at least mine did
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I hope so. It's been a few weeks already... If it doesn't fix itself then hopefully the nougat update will help.
Sent from my Moto X Pure using XDA Labs
acejavelin said:
Odd... I am on AT&T, for the moment at least, and use my speakerphone all the time, never had an issue before or after the update.
Try clearing your cache partition maybe?
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I have tried that too. Nothing send to help and I've been searching online for a while for a solution with no results. I don't think being Att has any relevance but figured I'd share that anyways just in case.
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Also on att with September security update and speaker phone works fine.