[Q] Tethering without a carrier? - Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hey, I was wondering is it possible to tether without a carrier. I have a phone already rooting and giving out WiFi on a carrier but I am due for an upgrade. So I would use the old phone as a WiFi dummy, nothing else, while the new phone and my nexus 7 will connect to it. Is it possible? Thanks.

No way that I know to allow it to act as a WiFi repeater. Now, you can connect it to your WiFi and USB tether or Bluetooth tether as an alternative.

SickNastyDrake said:
Hey, I was wondering is it possible to tether without a carrier. I have a phone already rooting and giving out WiFi on a carrier but I am due for an upgrade. So I would use the old phone as a WiFi dummy, nothing else, while the new phone and my nexus 7 will connect to it. Is it possible? Thanks.
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I'm not sure I follow the question entirely.
How will the old phone be able to provide data if it's no longer associated with a data plan? The new phone will have the data plan after you upgrade. The old phone will be able to receive wifi, but not cellular data. In that sense as a spare wifi only device, but it won't be passing any cellular data to other devices.
If you are trying to get out of paying for data, you could switch to a regular "feature" phone, and only get wifi on all your devices, but they won't receive cellular data, so they can't tether anything for you. This is the route I went. I run a Windows phone as a no-data phone (not supposed to), an android phone as wifi only, and the nexus 7 as wifi only (though I add the 3g plan to the nexus on a month to month basis).
Now if you're trying to set the old phone up as a wifi repeater, I'm not sure if it could do that or not. It would depend on the hardware involved, but it's unlikely. Even if you did pull it off, what's the point? It's unlikely that it would work well.

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Wmwifirouter As Repeater???

Ok...so I have a mogul phone with built in wifi but no data plan. Is it possible for me to use my cell as a repeater for my laptop if it is connected to wifi in another room to boost the signal to my laptop? Please let me know!!!
What I want to do: Use wmwifirouter as a repeater so that I can extend my wifi on the phone to my laptop (w/o data plan)
Not currently, no.
boo....can someone figure out how to do that? It looks like it would be possible with just some minor tweaking/hacking
umm.. besides wouldn't repeating a Wifi access point require yet another WiFi Adapter in the phone? if you found a MicroSD Wifi card for your mogul, you could repeat any wifi access point with ICSControl.
kinda off topic here and not sure if u knew but one of those old Linksys wireless routers can be firmware upgraded into a repeater rather easily.

[Q] Use phone 3g on tablet?

Is there a way to plug our phones into tablets and use the 3g service from our phones to our tablets.... Sorta like a modem for on the go.. Instead of using wifi tethering? Not sure if it's been done or not thought it would be a good idea tho
Do a quick search, it has been discussed extensively in other threads. You can use PdaNet Tablet if your phone support bluetooh.
No. Simple answer.
The 500 does not have this capability, Because it doesn;t have the radio to accommodate it.
Physical limitation
so my best bet for Internet on the go is tethering from my phone?
If you want to connect your tablet to a phone you will need to root your tablet.
The tablet doesn't support Ad-hoc connectivity out of the box. Many wi-fi hotspot features on phones use Ad-hoc to connect.
I also remember a while back I was trying to see if I could connect my stock Tablet to the personal hotspot of somebody's iPhone 3gs (connects via bluetooth) but it didn't work. I remember rooting the tablet and installing Thor's ROM and found out that now I could connect to the personal hotspot. Not sure what was in Thor's ROM to make this work though.
And as another poster said, you can try pdanet if you have an android phone. I tried it before I had an Android phone and it wouldn't work (even though the phone still had pdanet on it), and have not tried it since because my phone has wifi-hotspot.
subnoize soulja said:
Is there a way to plug our phones into tablets and use the 3g service from our phones to our tablets.... Sorta like a modem for on the go.. Instead of using wifi tethering? Not sure if it's been done or not thought it would be a good idea tho
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Depends on your phone really. Android is easy enough rooted + wifi tether for root. Non-smartphone takes a little work, but isn't that bad. Check tut on getting usb to 'dumbphone' modem working. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1452800
...or you can use 3G modem and take these steps to use it with your tablet http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1633086

[Help] On Verizon, UDP, hotspot being flaky

Hey all,
So I have UDP with Verizon. Got my phone the other day and activated it before I inserted my VZW sim card. Tethering worked fine until today (after Droid-Life posted about it), and now it will work for a few minutes and then I lose internet connectivity on both the phone and hotspot.
To get around this with my previous Moto X 2013, I used the wifi tethering apk from here: https://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/ and then only allow one device at a time to connect. This app doesn't seem to work with Android L (or I can't get the settings right).
Is there anything else I can try? Or is there any way to limit devices with the stock tethering?
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Other info:
Phone is unlocked.
TWRP installed (phone tethered fine after TWRP installed)
Phone is rooted (same as above)
I installed Xposed today, started having issues. Uninstalled Xposed, still have tethering issue.
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Wife's phone, a rooted VZW Samsung GS4 is also being flaky with wifi tethering. I'm guessing that it isn't my device tonight...
hbar98 said:
Hey all,
So I have UDP with Verizon. Got my phone the other day and activated it before I inserted my VZW sim card. Tethering worked fine until today (after Droid-Life posted about it), and now it will work for a few minutes and then I lose internet connectivity on both the phone and hotspot.
To get around this with my previous Moto X 2013, I used the wifi tethering apk from here: https://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/ and then only allow one device at a time to connect. This app doesn't seem to work with Android L (or I can't get the settings right).
Is there anything else I can try? Or is there any way to limit devices with the stock tethering?
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Other info:
Phone is unlocked.
TWRP installed (phone tethered fine after TWRP installed)
Phone is rooted (same as above)
I installed Xposed today, started having issues. Uninstalled Xposed, still have tethering issue.
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Wife's phone, a rooted VZW Samsung GS4 is also being flaky with wifi tethering. I'm guessing that it isn't my device tonight...
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I have a similar issue but not quite the same. I am also on UDP vzw and the behavior that I get is that the hotspot connection to the Internet is barely usable at all. Some pages load, sometimes but often they timeout. But with all of this the connectivity on the handset itself is unaffected. I'm going to try a usb tether on my Mac with the HoRNDIS package soon to see how the speeds compare. Maybe it's just the wifi tether and sub will be okay?
There have been some that are specifically noticing DNS issues. Maybe that's where the root of the problem is.
Forrice said:
I have a similar issue but not quite the same. I am also on UDP vzw and the behavior that I get is that the hotspot connection to the Internet is barely usable at all. Some pages load, sometimes but often they timeout. But with all of this the connectivity on the handset itself is unaffected. I'm going to try a usb tether on my Mac with the HoRNDIS package soon to see how the speeds compare. Maybe it's just the wifi tether and sub will be okay?
There have been some that are specifically noticing DNS issues. Maybe that's where the root of the problem is.
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Ever since I found out that VZW allows you to add the tethering package to your UDP line and not mess anything up, I bought it and have experienced zero issues. Before that, every few days I would have some bad DNS issues where google would work, but nothing else would. Now my phone is my ISP and I've had no issues.
My (current) network setup: phone (wifi tether) -> bridge computer (internet sharing) -> router (Asus AC66U) -> wired/wireless network.
I haven't tried the bridge computer as an actual network bridge as that caused some flakiness before... but that was when I wasn't paying for tethering. Eventually I'd like to use my phone as a 4g modem that is directly hooked up to my router.

Mobile HotSpot on AT&T grandfathered Unlimited Plan

"Mobile HotSpot on AT&T grandfathered Unlimited Plan" If you have a regular At&t plan the hotspot is easily employed...... I have the grandfathered plan that sends me the "Call 611 to enable."
Does anyone have a way to employ the mobile hotspot on the Galaxy G935A? Seeing as there is no root, is there any coding or permission tweaks I can try to get the Hotspot to work?
FoxFi works with tethering, but turns up a 10246 permission error for Hotspot. I though I had it when I kept the system from checking my plan with At&t.....But eventually, the system picked up on the blocking I employed.
Two main reasons for me to root are Viper4Android, which there is not get-around. The second is the Mobile Hotspot. When I travel with my kids, they used to use my Rooted G3 to play Youtube, games, and interactive apps to keep them busy on long road trips.
My choices, buy a G935F on Ebay and root it.....but then I would have to sell my G935A.
Someone miraculously figures a way to root.
I find a work-around and change "permissions."
I'm leaning toward the new phone, just hate spending $700 on Ebay with electronics.......
Any help is appreciated, even the slap of reality to "just get the F" and quit screwing around with the A.....
-dmxinc
dmxinc said:
"Mobile HotSpot on AT&T grandfathered Unlimited Plan" If you have a regular At&t plan the hotspot is easily employed...... I have the grandfathered plan that sends me the "Call 611 to enable."
Does anyone have a way to employ the mobile hotspot on the Galaxy G935A? Seeing as there is no root, is there any coding or permission tweaks I can try to get the Hotspot to work?
FoxFi works with tethering, but turns up a 10246 permission error for Hotspot. I though I had it when I kept the system from checking my plan with At&t.....But eventually, the system picked up on the blocking I employed.
Two main reasons for me to root are Viper4Android, which there is not get-around. The second is the Mobile Hotspot. When I travel with my kids, they used to use my Rooted G3 to play Youtube, games, and interactive apps to keep them busy on long road trips.
My choices, buy a G935F on Ebay and root it.....but then I would have to sell my G935A.
Someone miraculously figures a way to root.
I find a work-around and change "permissions."
I'm leaning toward the new phone, just hate spending $700 on Ebay with electronics.......
Any help is appreciated, even the slap of reality to "just get the F" and quit screwing around with the A.....
-dmxinc
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Can someone help me try this? THERE ARE NO MODIFICATIONS HERE
-I opened the mobile Hotspot app, set it up while I was connected to my home wifi network.
It worked, but used my home network as the hotspot.
-Next, I shut my wifi off and expected the error, but the phone hotspot transferred to the 4g, as long as I didn't turn the hotspot off.
I also tried this at an open cafe wifi hotspot, then turned off the phone wifi again, the hotspot remained working as long as I didn't hit the back button.
* I did get a tetherprovision.apk error, but it didn't shut the phone mobile hotspot off.
I tried this on my wifes S6 Edge, but it didn't work. Can someone try the S7 and S7 edge G935A
***To make sure it was the phone hotspot, I checked ip addresses before and after the WIFI was turned off. Ip adress changed from where I live to a place in Maryland, so fairly sure it wasn't just a fluke, but that is why I need someone to test it........Thanks
-dmxinc
I had the same challenge (unlimited data but no tether provisioning) and wanted to tether without giving up my awesome plan or pissing off my employer (my corporate plan includes international LTE roaming -- amazing!). Being unable to root and having unsuccessfully tried FoxFi (gave me an error message about internal connectivity or somesuch) I discovered Samsung already has an app for this called SideSync. It requires a USB cable but is able to set up its own hotspot.
I'm using a Mac laptop with SM-G930A and after installing SideSync on both the Mac and the phone, and launching both, I can detect the phone connection (apparently this works better when the app is running in the background but not on its home screen). Then I can click the "More" button on the Mac side and launch "Enable Mobile Hotspot". You'll need to give it MTP and several other access permissions the first time, but it should create and configure a WAP of the form "SIDESYNC_HOTSPOT_##:##" and connect the Mac to it. This works even if your phone provisioning wouldn't normally allow it. Easy!
aikidork said:
I had the same challenge (unlimited data but no tether provisioning) and wanted to tether without giving up my awesome plan or pissing off my employer (my corporate plan includes international LTE roaming -- amazing!). Being unable to root and having unsuccessfully tried FoxFi (gave me an error message about internal connectivity or somesuch) I discovered Samsung already has an app for this called SideSync. It requires a USB cable but is able to set up its own hotspot.
I'm using a Mac laptop with SM-G930A and after installing SideSync on both the Mac and the phone, and launching both, I can detect the phone connection (apparently this works better when the app is running in the background but not on its home screen). Then I can click the "More" button on the Mac side and launch "Enable Mobile Hotspot". You'll need to give it MTP and several other access permissions the first time, but it should create and configure a WAP of the form "SIDESYNC_HOTSPOT_##:##" and connect the Mac to it. This works even if your phone provisioning wouldn't normally allow it. Easy!
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I am on Win 10, I will try and find Sidesync, or an equivalent thanks! But, that is exactly what I was looking for!
If I find a Windows equivalent, I will repost.
Thanks again,.
I found it but it says both devices utilize the same wifi connection. Will it Direct Connect them and use 4g as the wifi?
dmxinc said:
I am on Win 10, I will try and find Sidesync, or an equivalent thanks! But, that is exactly what I was looking for!
If I find a Windows equivalent, I will repost.
Thanks again,.
I found it but it says both devices utilize the same wifi connection. Will it Direct Connect them and use 4g as the wifi?
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Not sure what you mean by utilizing the same wifi connection -- It is NOT the WiFi Direct feature if that's what you mean..if the phone is connected in that mode, this will need to be turned off first. Mine handles the setup of the hotspot automatically (at least on Mac). It's a little wonky but usually works on the first try. And yes... once it's working, the phone shows that it's got a device connected via wi-fi sharing icon, and the laptop shows it's using SIDESYNC_HOTSPOT.
aikidork said:
Not sure what you mean by utilizing the same wifi connection -- It is NOT the WiFi Direct feature if that's what you ttle wonky but usually works on the first try. And yes... once it's working, the phone shows that it's got a device connected via wi-fi sharing icon, and the laptop shows it's using SIDESYNC_HOTSPOT.
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If figured it wasn't the Direct. It installed and loaded right up, but it disconnected on the PC side every few seconds. I think it might be my A.V. software......I'm going to mess around with it this weekend to see if that's the issue. Thanks for tips.
So sidesync is a hotspot app, must be installed on all devices that want to connect to hotspot (in this case galaxy g930a). Is this correct?

USB tethering requires root?

Just got a V20 from AT&T and loving it so far. I'm trying to get usb tethering to work (I want to pick up wifi with my phone and then use usb to get it to my computer). It works through data but not wifi, I keep getting an error that says there is a temporary network problem that is preventing the enablement of usb tethering function. Do I really need to root my phone to fix this? If someone could atleast point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it, I've googled quite a bit and can't find a clear answer.
Maybe other AT&T customers can jump in... but I believe they want you to pay to use your phone as a hotspot. Verizon is the same way.
I'm pretty sure you'd need to root to get around that... if you could.
Is it still considered a hotspot if I'm using it through usb? I dont understand why AT&T would expect payment if Im going through my own internet and not using data. And if I need to root how would I go about doing that? Sorry for the noob questions but I've never done this before and all the threads I've read confuse me more, I'm not sure what I do and dont need
I could never find a good way to do this on other devices, even with root. I've spent a lot of time on a solution on this in the past, and I don't think it's something that's easy to do. Have you been able to do this with a different device?
Also, are you on an unlimited AT&T plan? I've heard that just about everyone on that kind of plan can't use tethering. Sleazy, I know, but they're trying to pressure people into having any reason at all to switch to a tiered plan. Kinda like this!
Regardless of what plan you're on, I don't think that USB tethering option will do what you want. It's very restricted in that it needs to be using your mobile data. Back when I had a rooted phone, I could never find a way to do what you're trying to do - using the phone as a network adapter. But I can almost guarantee you, whatever solution you find is probably going to involve root.
Otiss said:
Is it still considered a hotspot if I'm using it through usb? I dont understand why AT&T would expect payment if Im going through my own internet and not using data. And if I need to root how would I go about doing that? Sorry for the noob questions but I've never done this before and all the threads I've read confuse me more, I'm not sure what I do and dont need
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You can't yet root an AT&T phone because the bootloader is locked.
If you're trying to set up an OTG arrangement, that should work. I haven't seen much discussion here about OTG. With the micro USB ports on older phones, you needed a special OTG cable. I'm not sure about the USB-C port whether a special cable is required.
But if you're trying to use your phone as a modem or a router, I believe your carrier has you by the short and curlies.
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I don't know if your phone will have this option. I don't know if it'll make your phone do what you want it to, but here goes.
Settings>Developer Options>Select USB Configuration>RDNIS USB Ethernet.
It's all I've got.
So you pretty much want to use USB tethering, but instead of using data from rmnet_data0, you want to tether data from wlan0?
If you want to use tether with AT&T while on a unlimited data plan just install pdanet+ on your phone and computer. It also has a feature to create a hotspot from your laptop. Until we have root this is the best solution for tethering.
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So you pretty much want to use USB tethering, but instead of using data from rmnet_data0, you want to tether data from wlan0?
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Exactly. Basically use the phone as a wireless network card. I appreciate all the help but nothing I can find has worked so far. Seems ridiculous that this isn't easy given all the other tethering options that work fine off cellular data
I don't have unlimited data... using data is not an option for me
Otiss said:
Exactly. Basically use the phone as a wireless network card. I appreciate all the help but nothing I can find has worked so far. Seems ridiculous that this isn't easy given all the other tethering options that work fine off cellular data
I don't have unlimited data... using data is not an option for me
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Yeah, I'm not familiar with anything that does that. Is buying a usb wireless network adapter out of the question?
I'm pretty sure it can be done, just not easily and not without root.
LvDisturbed1 said:
Yeah, I'm not familiar with anything that does that. Is buying a usb wireless network adapter out of the question?
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This was supposed to be a quick temporary solution - just moved in to a new house and not getting internet until monday, I have this fancy new phone with usb tethering options and a friends wifi to connect to.... Figured this would be quick and easy. Especially annoying if it's true that [email protected] are going out of their way to block wifi
PdaNET should work. I've used it plenty of times using the wifi hotspot, but since Android 7.0 isn't supported with it, it does say it has to be USB or bluetooth, but it should do exactly what you are looking for. I don't know what the "unpaid" version limitations are as far as the USB connection goes - it had a timer on the wifi aspect to reconnect and things, so I just bought it and never looked back. No root required.
http://pdanet.co/
CharlzO_2000 said:
PdaNET should work. I've used it plenty of times using the wifi hotspot, but since Android 7.0 isn't supported with it, it does say it has to be USB or bluetooth, but it should do exactly what you are looking for. I don't know what the "unpaid" version limitations are as far as the USB connection goes - it had a timer on the wifi aspect to reconnect and things, so I just bought it and never looked back. No root required.
http://pdanet.co/
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I don't think that is what he is looking for.
The phone has several network interfaces. Carrier data should be transfered over rmnet_data0 and rmnet_data1, wifi is transferred over wlan0, and native USB tethering creates rndis0. Now when native USB tethering is used, data from rmnet_data0 and/or rmnet_data1 is routed to rndis0.
OP wants to connect to a wireless router (wlan0) and route that data to rndis0 (USB tether). Theoretically, it should be possible but no one has done it to my knowledge. It would undoubtedly require root and I don't think AT&T V20 has been rooted yet.
Ah, my bad. I mis-read the initial post thinking he just wanted to USB tether his computer in the standard data fashion. In that case, I got nuttin.

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