Hi guys,
Does anyone know of any tempered glass screen protector for the nexus 4 preferably for both the front and back?
I'd hate to put a case on the nexus 4 as most of them add a lot of bulk and aren't very nice.
Xgear is taking preorders for their glass screens. It's only the front though.
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kyleds said:
Xgear is taking preorders for their glass screens. It's only the front though.
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Argh, I wish someone would make one for the back as its more fragile!
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Argh, I wish someone would make one for the back as its more fragile!
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Looking to combine with a bumper? Why not a full back case?
You should send Xgear an email or something, suggest a tempered glass back as well, from my experience with accessories companies they are always looking for interest in other product ideas.
I would love a case that has a bumper feel but with a glass back.
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theTqM said:
Looking to combine with a bumper? Why not a full back case?
You should send Xgear an email or something, suggest a tempered glass back as well, from my experience with accessories companies they are always looking for interest in other product ideas.
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the nexus 4 is a beautiful phone without a case, i have tried the bumper and slim cases currently available and it just makes the phone look uglier.
i may just end up emailing them, but i doubt they would make one just because of my request, even though I would be willing to pay a lot for it,
A glass protector for the front and back would be simply amazing and would allow me to keep the true beauty of the phone intact!
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the nexus 4 is a beautiful phone without a case, i have tried the bumper and slim cases currently available and it just makes the phone look uglier.
i may just end up emailing them, but i doubt they would make one just because of my request, even though I would be willing to pay a lot for it,
A glass protector for the front and back would be simply amazing and would allow me to keep the true beauty of the phone intact!
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Awesome, well I put an inquiry in with them about it as well, we'll see what they come back with.
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Awesome, well I put an inquiry in with them about it as well, we'll see what they come back with.
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sweet if we can get a lot of people on here to submit inquiries related to it they may start producing one!:good:
deelz001 said:
sweet if we can get a lot of people on here to submit inquiries related to it they may start producing one!:good:
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i sent one in too, hope it helps
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i sent one in too, hope it helps
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hey thanks buddy, every little helps!
thats 3 so far guys, if we can get a few more they may begin to take more notice!
again, thanks for the support guys! :good:
kyleds said:
I would love a case that has a bumper feel but with a glass back.
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Poetic Atmosphere Case
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Poetic Atmosphere Case
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I don't believe that is a glass back... It is a clear frosted back however.
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I don't believe that is a glass back... It is a clear frosted back however.
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correct, anyone else submitted a query to Xgear so that they can make an tempered glass screen protector for the back also?
deelz001 said:
Hi guys,
Does anyone know of any tempered glass screen protector for the nexus 4 preferably for both the front and back?
I'd hate to put a case on the nexus 4 as most of them add a lot of bulk and aren't very nice.
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I'm waiting for a Poetic Atmosphere Flip, like they do for the ip5, got a cheap tpu now and a Nilkin Flip on order.
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correct, anyone else submitted a query to Xgear so that they can make an tempered glass screen protector for the back also?
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I asked them a while back and they said they were looking into it.
I think the problem they're having is that there is nowhere for a back protector to adhere to. They hide the adhesive on the front protector behind the colored black/white panel, and if there's nothing like that on the back, they'll have to figure something out.
I'm not sure how SGP does it with the glass ones for the iPhone 4.
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I asked them a while back and they said they were looking into it.
I think the problem they're having is that there is nowhere for a back protector to adhere to. They hide the adhesive on the front protector behind the colored black/white panel, and if there's nothing like that on the back, they'll have to figure something out.
I'm not sure how SGP does it with the glass ones for the iPhone 4.
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I remember when they were taking preorders for GNex the OP showed a video of applying it on the iPhone 4/4S and it was a clear protector that used static or something and could be applied and reapplied. Also SGP probably uses the same clear adhesive that are on their other screen protectors. I would like xgear to offer a comprehensive front and back packages as well, but they never like to rush things to market.
I also asked them I guess we have to just be patient
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thats good to hear guys, if everyone can continue to inquire it might help push things through faster..
still dreaming of a protected naked nexus 4
Aren't Martin Fields screen protectors made from tempered glass?
hoponpop said:
Aren't Martin Fields screen protectors made from tempered glass?
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doesn't seem like it
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Martin-Fiel...ting_LaptopAccessories_RL&hash=item53f219a205
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My daughter found an ingenious way of scratching the screen on my Atrix and I just wanted to know if their was a way of rubbing something over them to make them less noticeable or can I replace the screen itself?
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My daughter found an ingenious way of scratching the screen on my Atrix and I just wanted to know if their was a way of rubbing something over them to make them less noticeable or can I replace the screen itself?
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googling "repair scratched gorilla glass" turned up a few mentions of fixing scratches with various sanding and glazing products:
first result mentioning glaze:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/moto-droid/114659-gorilla-glass-does-scratch-but-i-know-how-repair.html
second result, actually links back to a detailed write up on these forums:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=821129
if however you're looking to replace the entire screen, googling "atrix replacement screen" turns up an iFixit page listing a few vendors for atrix screens:
http://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/48211/Vendors+for+atrix+digitizer+touch+screen+replacements+part
I put a screen protector on after I noticed a bunch of tiny scratches on my screen. Now I don't see them as much. It might be worth a try, especially since the el-cheapo ones I got were all of $1.50 for a 3-pack.
I never understood why anyone doesn't pick up a couple of cheap screen protectors after they drop bank on a phone?...
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I never understood why anyone doesn't pick up a couple of cheap screen protectors after they drop bank on a phone?...
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Agreed, it blows my mind.
ccrows said:
I never understood why anyone doesn't pick up a couple of cheap screen protectors after they drop bank on a phone?...
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I never understood why anyone puts a cheap screen protector on their phone and messes up the quality of the display?....
Just a diff way of lookin at things.
I did and always have had one on all my other phones. I wasn't happy with the display after that. I "drop bank" on a fine phone and was diminishing the quality of what i saw on the screen, so I took it off. The display was one of the features i bought the phone for.
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I never understood why anyone puts a cheap screen protector on their phone and messes up the quality of the display?....
Just a diff way of lookin at things.
I did and always have had one on all my other phones. I wasn't happy with the display after that. I "drop bank" on a fine phone and was diminishing the quality of what i saw on the screen, so I took it off. The display was one of the features i bought the phone for.
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I love your flags!!
I wouldn't put a cheap screen protector on my phone, but I would prob rather have a cheap one than nothing. Zagg and/or Skintech I can say from personal experience are amazing, must have screen protector(s) for any device. You will not be disappointed with either purchase. Today my Atrix, iPad and Captivate are all protected with them (plus Otterbox) and they all look like they just came out the box, they are completely flawless like they just come off the factory line. A finger has never touched the screens.
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I put a screen protector on after I noticed a bunch of tiny scratches on my screen. Now I don't see them as much. It might be worth a try, especially since the el-cheapo ones I got were all of $1.50 for a 3-pack.
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i did the same. i dont think there is any "scratch proof" glass screen
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i did the same. i dont think there is any "scratch proof" glass screen
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how the crap did you get those good of results on speedtest? xD
haha take a key and try it on your screen tell me how it goes...lol just kidding dude spend some money and get a good protector that'll last you for a long time
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Agreed, it blows my mind.
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Keep opinions to yourself. Wanted info and nothing else plus I read somewhere that Gorilla glass was scratch resistant hence no protection!
Had a desire for a while that has gone thru exactly the same stuff as my Atrix except the screen survived perfectly......and that blows 'my mind'.
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googling "repair scratched gorilla glass" turned up a few mentions of fixing scratches with various sanding and glazing products:
first result mentioning glaze:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/moto-droid/114659-gorilla-glass-does-scratch-but-i-know-how-repair.html
second result, actually links back to a detailed write up on these forums:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=821129
if however you're looking to replace the entire screen, googling "atrix replacement screen" turns up an iFixit page listing a few vendors for atrix screens:
http://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/48211/Vendors+for+atrix+digitizer+touch+screen+replacements+part
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Thanks for your post mate, appreciate your help. Couldn't search online from my phone at the time but I could post to XDA so thought I'd give you guys a try.
Thanks again for your info.
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Paul
I've never used a screen protector on any of my phones and I've had A LOT. And I've never had even a tiny scratch on any of them.
It goes down to how you treat your phone. Ofcourse handling it like a Gorilla will screw it up. No Glass can save that so by all means if you're one, put the damn protector on other than that, she does look better naked
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if you switch phones often, not sure if it's even worth it buying those cheap screen protectors even if they are like 1 dollar.
if you switch phones a lot, don't bother, but if you want no scratches, you should have just put on a screen protector before you really used it.
you can really see the scratches when you are using your phone unless it's a deep huge scratch. i have a bunch of hairline scratches on my phone, you can even tell when i'm using the phone. when the screen is off, you can spot a few if you look really closely.
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I never understood why anyone puts a cheap screen protector on their phone and messes up the quality of the display?....
Just a diff way of lookin at things.
I did and always have had one on all my other phones. I wasn't happy with the display after that. I "drop bank" on a fine phone and was diminishing the quality of what i saw on the screen, so I took it off. The display was one of the features i bought the phone for.
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Fixing the appearance of an ugly screen protector is an easy fix. Plus there are many different kinds of screen protectors to choose from. Fixing a scratch, not as easy...
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how the crap did you get those good of results on speedtest? xD
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lol its just a package my isp offers
Well, Gorilla-glass IS scratch resistant. But only to a degree. Just like with waterproof watches - that only works a couple of meters near the surface.
To be fair, it's extremely hard to do a noticeable scratch on the Atrix. If you carry it in the pocket for a while, it will get covered with many micro scratches that are barely visible. But to leave a huge scratch on it - you got unlucky mate.
Having said that, I carried my Milestone in the pocket with keys / without screen protector for a year and never had a noticeable scratch.
Gorillag-glass works, but it's not a perfect remedy.
I was reading some threads people were getting scratches just laying it on a table and what not. i still have the plastic it came with, but now for me its coming off and i wont have a case here anytime soon.
How is your back holding up with you guys just keeping it naked? still crystal clear? i had an iP4 but it was always cased up.
Mine is good, but I also haven't put it to real world use yet. I will probably get a case whenever better options are available. I did just harder that Spigen screen protector though.
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Yes and yes. I really hate cases. I see my phones as products I use. I never broke one, but a few had some little scratches. But hey, for me that's way better than a case.
The official bumper looks nice, but I still wont put in on my phone.
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Yes and yes. I really hate cases. I see my phones as products I use. I never broke one, but a few had some little scratches. But hey, for me that's way better than a case.
The official bumper looks nice, but I still wont put in on my phone.
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yea i feel the same way but due to the place i work at an automotive shop i keep my phone in my front shirt pocket. sometimes when i bend down it tends to slip out and i feel only thing that will protect that is a otter box or some sort of hard case.
Naked all the way. However i have always treated all my phones like my baby.
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I was reading some threads people were getting scratches just laying it on a table and what not. i still have the plastic it came with, but now for me its coming off and i wont have a case here anytime soon.
How is your back holding up with you guys just keeping it naked? still crystal clear? i had an iP4 but it was always cased up.
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I am sternly against any protection for phones. I hate them. I don't pay hundreds of dollars for gadgets to hide them...lol
Just noticed a small scratch on the back of mine - it's very fine - probably from putting it down on a table.
I hate to think what it's going to look like in a few months. I'm going to take extra care from now on.
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I am sternly against any protection for phones. I hate them. I don't pay hundreds of dollars for gadgets to hide them...lol
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Better stick with HTC and Motorola then. These hundreds of dollars gadgets seem to break easily.
Yes.
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Phone covers are like condoms take away from the fun but sometimes essential for protection. But I like to live on the wild side so no case for me
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Mine still has the factory plastic on, and it's staying that way till I get a case.
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Mine still has the factory plastic on, and it's staying that way till I get a case.
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This, i've got a couple of tpu cases coming within a week hopefully and a pack of screen protectors.
Better safe than sorry ...
ashymac86 said:
This, i've got a couple of tpu cases coming within a week hopefully and a pack of screen protectors.
Better safe than sorry ...
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rottensalad said:
Naked all the way. However i have always treated all my phones like my baby.
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Same here
Backordered baby!
I'll put mine in a tpu case as soon as I can. If I keep it unprotected and life happens unexpectedly then I'd have to hide an ugly cracked back anyway. Either way I think it's funny when people criticize one another's choices when it comes to case/no case. To each their own!
rottensalad said:
Naked all the way. However i have always treated all my phones like my baby.
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that's how it goes for me
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Rusty! said:
Mine still has the factory plastic on, and it's staying that way till I get a case.
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Exactly.
I plan on keeping it in the silk bag my sunglasses came in until my best skins ever full body protector comes in. Haven't ordered a case yet, will probably order an androidified case soon tho.
Mine is naked. I've never liked cases or covers, but it is a very slippery device. It'll have to be a really nice looking case for me to cover my Nexus 4 up.
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I have a BSE skin and official bumper on order. Currently naked up front, put the plastic back in the back at the moment. Looks crap and bubbly :'(
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I tried many different screen protectors but I don't like any of the ones I've tired mainly because my finger just skids along the screen rather than gliding, it ruins the whole touch experience. I've seen these matte like anti glare screen protectors for the iphone and really liked them, they were really smooth. Is there any screen protectors like this for the Nexus 4? I've seen some links but no reviews for any of them. If you're using one that you really like, please leave a link. Thanks.
I'm just using a generic matte one from eBay. Just had to make sure it had sensor cut outs. My friends one wasnt cut so he cut it himself.
These are the ones i'm using now.
www.ebay.com/itm/261150701547?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
The ones I got from ebay (seller dzystro or something like that) are of decent quality, and cutouts are okay but are 1-2mm short in the height. so the topmost part of my screen isnt covered, like right above the sensors
BravoMotorola said:
I tried many different screen protectors but I don't like any of the ones I've tired mainly because my finger just skids along the screen rather than gliding, it ruins the whole touch experience. I've seen these matte like anti glare screen protectors for the iphone and really liked them, they were really smooth. Is there any screen protectors like this for the Nexus 4? I've seen some links but no reviews for any of them. If you're using one that you really like, please leave a link. Thanks.
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You could check out Bodyguardz's HD Anti-glare/Anti-fingerprint ScreenGuardz screen protector via the link below:
http://www.bodyguardz.com/screenguardz-google-nexus-4-cases-screen-protectors-covers-shields-skins-films.html?dir=asc&order=sort_priority#
mTOOKIE said:
You could check out Bodyguardz's HD Anti-glare/Anti-fingerprint ScreenGuardz screen protector via the link below:
http://www.bodyguardz.com/screengua...skins-films.html?dir=asc&order=sort_priority#
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$15? No thank you.
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bodyguardz has matte screen protectors... I ordered some a while back and they're still great.
I got the eBay ones (pack of 6). They're really nice in terms of feeling and smoothness. No fingerprints either.
Only issue that I kinda don't like is that it kinda ruins the screen quality. Whites look terrible. Dark colors seem the same..
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If you want to see sparking pixel,
then go to get the Matte One.
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These are the ones i'm using now.
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Do these leave a little room around the edges or is it edge to edge protection? I'm using a bumper and dont want the edges to peel up.
richteralan said:
$15? No thank you.
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An expensive protector will last way longer than the cheap ones, I see it as a long term investment
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An expensive protector will last way longer than the cheap ones, I see it as a long term investment
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I got 6 for 3$. For 15$, I'd have 30. Each one lasts me a MINIMUM of half a year. That's 15 years... I doubt I'll still have my N4 then
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jarturoar said:
An expensive protector will last way longer than the cheap ones, I see it as a long term investment
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You mean "a good protector will last way longer...". There are plenty of crappy expensive ones!
As the thread subject says, I got a screen protector today but im not liking its display and ive also heard that Nexus 4's Gorilla Glass 2 is good enough to handle scratches, so just wanna have a general idea about what you people are having.
Thanks.
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nope. my n4 is completely naked. granted, i do have micro scratches on the back glass, the front glass is perfect.
I don't, did at first but when i went to replace it, didn't want to put one back on cos the screen was so much better without, only using bumper
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nope. my n4 is completely naked. granted, i do have micro scratches on the back glass, the front glass is perfect.
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I don't, did at first but when i went to replace it, didn't want to put one back on cos the screen was so much better without, only using bumper
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Thanks for the replies, my back is safe with a back cover, was just worried for the front, from how much time are you using the device?
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Thanks for the replies, my back is safe with a back cover, was just worried for the front, from how much time are you using the device?
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4-5hours? Screen on time
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Thanks for the replies, my back is safe with a back cover, was just worried for the front, from how much time are you using the device?
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since january. im a heavy user, the phone is always with me. i normally carry it in my back pocket. i have dropped it a few times, and it has slid across tables and fallen by itself, but no damage(luckily it has fallen on soft things, or ive broken its fall with my foot).
I never used one on any of my devices. Im pretty careful and the N4 guerrilla glass screen still looks new after 6 months.
I never use them..
Yes I always buy screen protector and case in same week I buy my phone. It protects it from scratches.
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Same here. I've got a couple scratches on the front but meh.
I think screen protectors are stupid. Bumper case works fine for me.
nope because it always conflicts with my case.. so i gave up screen protectors.. and no scratch although the oleophobic seemed to have stopped working ...
Completely naked. Some scratches on the back but the front is fine.
Usage 5-6h a day since Nov last year.
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Nope Naked as the day i was born, Just the bumper had mine since dec:good:
People dont use screen protectors because they cant put them on hahah.fact
I only am using a rear protector on my wife's N4 because it's the only way to keep it from slipping off the orb. But my N4 has nothing on it.
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Thread Closed, we dont need any more screen protection threads.
Guys i've read somewhere that the note 4 screen can get easily scratched!
I Dont use screenprotector but i didnt see any scratches on my phone just yet.
Therefore what you read is not true.
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iridaki said:
Therefore what you read is not true.
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can you share your experience too?
I don't use screen protectors either and my screen has no scratches. The metal frame is the one that gets scratched really easy.
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can you share your experience too?
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I use a tempered glass screen protector, so I couldn't comment on how durable the screen is. I do find that the metal rim could be scratched by a feather though!
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Governuh said:
I don't use screen protectors either and my screen has no scratches. The metal frame is the one that gets scratched really easy.
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the metal frame is not a big deal, i can cover it with a case. but, a scratch on the screen is a big NO!
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Guys i've read somewhere that the note 4 screen can get easily scratched!
I Dont use screenprotector but i didnt see any scratches on my phone just yet.
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It's Gorilla Glass 3.Its going to have the same scratch protection as every other flagship phone around at the moment.
U mean if other device have scratch samsung note 4 will be thesame? That means its prone to scratches? Omg!
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U mean if other device have scratch samsung note 4 will be thesame? That means its prone to scratches? Omg!
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I'm saying it uses the industry standard toughened glass that all other flagship phones use at the moment.The screen is no more prone to scratching than any other phone.
I know it should theoretically be the same as other similar phones, but I feel that it has scratched easily. Same conditions as previous phones, but in a month I already have more scratches on my screen than I ever did on my Nexus 4 or 5. Grr.
Otterbox defender on mine with screen protector popped out. Been doing that since the iphone 3g
I got some few scratches after 3 weeks of use. (Only visible under strong light and when u really want to see them tho)
rudynasco said:
Guys i've read somewhere that the note 4 screen can get easily scratched!
I Dont use screenprotector but i didnt see any scratches on my phone just yet.
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mine dont have too. i used my phone without screen protector for 2 weeks but no scratch but to in sure i put already just to be safe
carlylemiii said:
I know it should theoretically be the same as other similar phones, but I feel that it has scratched easily. Same conditions as previous phones, but in a month I already have more scratches on my screen than I ever did on my Nexus 4 or 5. Grr.
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omg! i was joking with a member in another forum that his note 4 must be fake due to scratches!
now i can definitely say mine might face this kind of horror once ill not buy a screen protector for my phone!
off to store now cya!
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mine dont have too. i used my phone without screen protector for 2 weeks but no scratch but to in sure i put already just to be safe
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yah! better be safe that sorry!
omg i can't believe i have paid 750$ for this!!!! and it is prone to scratches!!!!
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omg i can't believe i have paid 750$ for this!!!! and it is prone to scratches!!!!
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why only scratches...... drop it and the screen might break
Teardrop45 said:
why only scratches...... drop it and the screen might break
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I dropped it and didnt break
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I dropped it and didnt break
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Try ..try till u succeed
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Try ..try till u succeed
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watch me and you'll be amazed:silly: