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[Q] Root Block: Intentional or Bug?

Cyanogen is saying its a bug. Tmo is saying its a feature. which one is correct?
If it is indeed a bug how would tmo go about fixing our phones? mass recall? sweep under the rug?
If its a feature, is it a precursor to what future phones will be?
Either outcome isnt very good for the consumer and may lead to lots of lost customers for tmo. Specially after tmo releasing a statement that its a feature of the phone.
I love this phone, the very first smartphone i ever had, and was really looking forward to hacking around with it but its hard to justify such a device that locks you out of such features. I hope cyanogen and all the other great devs work out a solution to this problem. I dont want to send it back.
looked for similar threads and couldnt find any.
info link:
h**p://phandroid.com/2010/10/11/cyanogen-calls-shenanigans-on-t-mobile-g2-root-fail-safe-mechanism/

Read teh goddamn internets!
Wtf people??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!

d0nkey said:
Read teh goddamn internets!
Wtf people??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!
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This......

SuperFly03 said:
This......
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Absolutely this.

I read all post lol, but I need to do this question, Im always an Iphone user (tmobile network) I bought this G2, I keep reading that cant be root for now, I change it today because got blackout twices....
I dont know what the hell works the root thing.. Just an advices, should keep my G2? or wait for another android phone...
Still have 13 days for return

d0nkey said:
Read teh goddamn internets!
Wtf people??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!
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care to elaborate?

s30zgt said:
care to elaborate?
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Can you? lol...

AndroidNoober said:
Can you? lol...
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First off learn to type in a understandable format. your previous post just butchers the english language.
Second, i can see that this thread will go nowhere. Mod can you please close this thread?

s30zgt said:
First off learn to type in a understandable format. your previous post just butchers the english language.
Second, i can see that this thread will go nowhere. Mod can you please close this thread?
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Sorry, I know my English is bad.. Is my second language.. I just trying to understand a little bit about this.. Spanish pages are from Mexico or Spain, harder to understand!!!
Like I said, sorry about that.

s30zgt said:
care to elaborate?
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Sure, here: Read the ****ing internet.

krayshunist said:
Sure, here: Read the ****ing internet.
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Wow thanks man lol. I don't need your asinine comments that bring nothing to this thread. Mods please close this thread.

Wow... ppl are such asses..i dont see anything in here that warrants the op to be cursed at...ridiculous
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People are being jerks for sure, but OP, you should search better cuz your question has been answered in several threads. The short of it is NO. It is not a bug in the sense you are thinking. It is an intentional bug which tricks linux (android os) into thinking writes to the system files during root are being made when in actuality, the writes are only being written to cache. Once the cache is cleared during reboot the root access is erased because it wasn't actually written to the system in the first place. It's not a bug that needs to be fixed. It's a bug that was placed there to fool the system and make permanent root more...challenging.

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s30zgt said:
Cyanogen is saying its a bug. Tmo is saying its a feature. which one is correct?
If it is indeed a bug how would tmo go about fixing our phones? mass recall? sweep under the rug?
If its a feature, is it a precursor to what future phones will be?
Either outcome isnt very good for the consumer and may lead to lots of lost customers for tmo. Specially after tmo releasing a statement that its a feature of the phone.
I love this phone, the very first smartphone i ever had, and was really looking forward to hacking around with it but its hard to justify such a device that locks you out of such features. I hope cyanogen and all the other great devs work out a solution to this problem. I dont want to send it back.
looked for similar threads and couldnt find any.
info link:
h**p://phandroid.com/2010/10/11/cyanogen-calls-shenanigans-on-t-mobile-g2-root-fail-safe-mechanism/
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There is a very informational Wiki out. Check it out. It will get you up to date with all the work that has been done towards root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_G2

The important part of the question.. for me.. is whether the Z has the same bugFeature.
I see one random user saying that they flashed a G2 rom on a Desire Z and nothing more. Have I missed something? Kinda hard to say yay or nay based solely on that.

"Intentional Bug" ????
If it's intentional, it's NOT a bug.
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Thank you XfooYen for the info. I did a quick search before I posted(the posting page even searches similar post before you publish them) and found nothing similar. I will make sure to search more thoroughly next time.
I am familiar with the current situation with root, I just though that if a well known developer like cyanogen thinks that its a bug that maybe the readers of xda might want to discuss his possible ratonale for such a statement, then again that may not have been what he was trying to say and got it misrepresented by the media. Instead I saw nothing but irrelevent and pointless posts. For a second I thought this was gizmodo or engadget.
Thank you again. Its good to know that xda has readers who actually know what they are talking about and not just the average troll.

androidtoy09 said:
"Intentional Bug" ????
If it's intentional, it's NOT a bug.
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Actually, you're wrong.
RT @cyanogen: @garok89 yeah, and the statement tmobile made is technically wrong. theres nothing that restores the phone, its actually what i'd call a bug

greengoldmello said:
Wow... ppl are such asses..i dont see anything in here that warrants the op to be cursed at...ridiculous
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Agreed. This is XDA. In the years I've been here, there was never this much flaming and douchery as there has been lately.

ATTENTION PLEASE regarding J.Anderson

hey guys. thought id fill you in on some info then ask for a favour
as you all know j.Anderson is a tremendous pain in the kneck. and has been banned for being one.
however another thread popped where you all speculated its was his second account. the thread was deleted but im here to tell you it was his account.
the reason im telling you this is because now i know he is not beyond making sock-puppets to make stupid posts
so the favour i want to ask is, if you see a post that seem familiar in wording or content. as well as reporting via the correct methods could you also let me know.
weve had this issue before with another user not long before 2.1 was due to be released and i dont want it to happen again
thanks in advance
PiLoT

Will do, chief!

I am absolutely convinced that he is mentally ill, possibly even schizophrenic. I think he really believes that he has some secret or unique knowledge. Some of his posts at talk.sonyericsson.com are even more puzzling.

yeah i agree his posts are nonsensical. i remembered the other user i had trouble with. Its was iHim.

Looks like the neighborhood watch is now in effect! We'll be on the lookout! That goober's posts stick out like a flasher in a trenchcoat at the playground and he's likely in the same state of mind.
Sent From My *Super Fly X10*
If I (or anyone for that matter!) help you, dont be afraid to press THANKS!

Sure, np. And get me a rifel to shoot him as well.
VIPER

Hey guys I found the keys...
I'll post one now and more later..
The first key is... G..G...GG....GEEE UNIIITTTT...
I found it in system/media/music/data
20000211000/5588809
(take that file and unlock the phone)
then open file manager and type this into system/app
*DURR..... AHHH DURRRR*
i'll post more soon once i get online
(just a heads up as to what to look for)

MrHassell said:
I'm saying this because I like the people and the vibe I get from XDA, it really means so much more to me than to ramble.
Please everyone be civil and sensible. Practical and friendly, helpful where possible and if you feel tempted..
Resist
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+1
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+1
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OmegaRED^ said:
Seriously dude.. is that your primary mission?
To try make us all look crazy?
You seem like a guy that has a clear different plan from actually helping someone or doing anything good for this forum and now you plan to change your target to me.
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No one made you look crazy... you accomplished that part on your own.
No need to worry though, I think its cute

I'm also on the watch (while the others are sleeping, I'm watching and viceversa).
So please PM me also if you find a similar erratic member.

Mr. Clown said:
I'm also on the watch (while the others are sleeping, I'm watching and viceversa).
So please PM me also if you find a similar erratic member.
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Batman? LOL

Batman is john connor
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Thread cleanup, can everyone stop messing with omegared with no reason. We are discussing about other thing in this thread.
Thanks,

Ok, I will take a look in future threads !

-PiLoT- said:
yeah i agree his posts are nonsensical. i remembered the other user i had trouble with. Its was iHim.
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Oh yes, iHim, I remember... did he not return a few times with names like SEinside or something like that? Pain in the @ss...
Will look and report. I just hope you're not gonna be spammed with reports about threads they BELIEVE to be j.Anderson, while it's just a noob who's looking for help

qwer23 said:
Oh yes, iHim, I remember... did he not return a few times with names like SEinside or something like that? Pain in the @ss...
Will look and report. I just hope you're not gonna be spammed with reports about threads they BELIEVE to be j.Anderson, while it's just a noob who's looking for help
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buddy have you read his posts? none of them have any resemblance to a noob looking for help, they're fairly unique & weird and not in a good way

riginal said:
buddy have you read his posts? none of them have any resemblance to a noob looking for help, they're fairly unique & weird and not in a good way
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lol they remind me of the scribblings in the film "A Beautiful Mind"....
Except for the fact that his mind is not beautiful

riginal said:
buddy have you read his posts? none of them have any resemblance to a noob looking for help, they're fairly unique & weird and not in a good way
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lol I know that, I read his posts. But he seems so helpless to me ^^ If you read his posts it's to me like 'did he even read the last answer or any post in this thread? Did he even use Android once?' I mean, what was that thing with this Office 2k certificates?! Seriously... That's what I meant what reminds me of a noob

aR_ChRiS said:
Batman? LOL
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Yes? Did someone flash the Bat-signal?
Windst said:
Batman is john connor
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No. Batman is Bruce Wayne.

Is there any build with the new Sense 3.0?

Hi,
I couldn't find any build with Gingerbread and the new Sense 3.0. Is there any plan to have something like that for the European version?
Thanks for all the great work here!
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First of all, use search.
Second, you dont have rights to make threads like this in Development section
but i'll help you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075703

maybe he have mental problems... or is a blind man

No, you should most likely sell your hd2.

Retard LOL
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I hope this thread is part of tomorrow's rapture.

If he hasnt got the rights, CLOSE/DELETE the thread, dont make fun of him....so childish
@ Krendelrus, BUT thank you for answering his question.
@ Catastrat, Good luck with youre HTC HD2, its the best phone i ever had.

dianaroelofs said:
If he hasnt got the rights, CLOSE/DELETE the thread, dont make fun of him....so childish
@ Krendelrus, BUT thank you for answering his question.
@ Catastrat, Good luck with youre HTC HD2, its the best phone i ever had.
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+1 . Maybe is a kid with new toy.

catastrat said:
Hi,
I couldn't find any build with Gingerbread and the new Sense 3.0. Is there any plan to have something like that for the European version?
Thanks for all the great work here!
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nope not at all. only windows 6.1
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They probably should put a post count limit like 50 or 100 to post in here. I think 95% of LEGIT (none of these 'posters' posting threads with OTHER devs work in it stating ohh Im doing it for him...for what reason is that?? then the actual dev cant update .) devs have usually over 100, but maybe make it 50? idk I think 100 but I think 'atleast' 50.
That could help with this type situations, and should be possible with vb im sure. because they just [for whatever reason] get lost/confused and its hard on the mods.
/end speal
Mods!?

FEED HIM TO THE LIONS!!!!!!!....lol...
Use search kid.....and oh yeah,,,people will eat you alive here if you don't even know where to post your material....lol

make that me too +2 now good post man! lol
but yeah they roast on here for a not really great reason.. I bet you really had no idea or just ACTUALLY wanted your question answered sometimes stuff gets REALLY LOST in the Q&A forum.. but I came in here to actually help you and it seems as though somebody has pointed you in the right direction... just don't post here ever again like this I suppose? *shrugs*

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FEED HIM TO THE LIONS!!!!!!!....lol...
Use search kid.....and oh yeah,,,people will eat you alive here if you don't even know where to post your material....lol[/QUOTE
Why dont you just answer him correctly
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Great thread, great community, great help!!!!
+1 to this thread, thank you fellas!!!!!

Nice provocation
I suppose SOMEONE is laughing under table how HE/SHE made the community react.

hey
don't blame him, he might be new in here.

[Q] A few questions about the

Hi,
I've just got this phone today and i'm actually quite impressed with it, my last Sammy was an S3, i've had HTC and Sony ever since, I go the gear fit with my phone too which works quite well too.
One thing i'd like to know, is there a way to root the device so that it can be unrooted and no one will tell, not even samsung, I don't care for a custom rom i'd just like to be able to use a few mods.
Plus will the gear fit still work with the device if it's rooted ???
Many thanks

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is there a way to root the device so that it can be unrooted and no one will tell, not even samsung
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Yes.
My question to you in turn would be why, after 3,597 posts, you don't try searching the forum first before posting a question? Or peruse a few threads at the top, either of which would have readily answered such a common query.
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Christ my first post and I'm shot down in flames.. to answer your question I was in work and extremely busy. I had no time and a lot on. Thought I'd come home to a welcome to the s5 forum. Obviously I was wrong. Thanks for answering..
If i could offer some advice, perhaps you could practice not saying things like that to people, q and a is for questions and answers, it isn't an excuse to act like a ****.
Close this thread please mod.
I literally give up on xda.
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dladz said:
Christ my first post
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3,597 posts = first post?
It's clear that you are looking to be spoon fed and firmly believe that your time is so much more valuable than ours.
Thank you for making your position clear.
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Wow you are pathetic, do me a favour and never answer any of my posts.
First of all ill explain a little deeper as regards to my question as you obviously didn't get my point.
Q1) is there a root method that is reversable without losing warranty or anyone knowing about it namely Samsung?
Secondly does rooting mess with the gear fit..
Thirdly, why do you have little man syndrome? Is it because you are a little man? No reason to take it out on me, I was polite and courteous to whomever answered me but your response is both rude and uncouth, not to mention presumptuous. I think you should quit while you are ahead, my question was bespoke, you need to but out and stop typing.. bottom line here is that you wouldn't be talking to me like this if I was speaking to you face to face. For that reason alone, I suggest you don't reply..
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dladz said:
Wow you are pathetic, do me a favour and never answer any of my posts.
First of all ill explain a little deeper as regards to my question as you obviously didn't get my point.
Q1) is there a root method that is reversable without losing warranty or anyone knowing about it namely Samsung?
Secondly does rooting mess with the gear fit..
Thirdly, why do you have little man syndrome? Is it because you are a little man? No reason to take it out on me, I was polite and courteous to whomever answered me but your response is both rude and uncouth, not to mention presumptuous. I think you should quit while you are ahead, my question was bespoke, you need to but out and stop typing.. bottom line here is that you wouldn't be talking to me like this if I was speaking to you face to face. For that reason alone, I suggest you don't reply..
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stop hating and flaming my friend , it might be misunderstanding.
and about the root thing, yes there is a way and its an app called towelroot , you can download it from the site towelroot.com/tr
and about the gear fit thing I dont know because I dont have one but I dont think that if you root your phone it will mess with it.
anyway if anything goes wrong you can always unroot with SuperSu app
hope that I helped

Galaxy_Guy said:
stop hating and flaming my friend , it might be misunderstanding.
and about the root thing, yes there is a way and its an app called towelroot , you can download it from the site towelroot.com/tr
and about the gear fit thing I dont know because I dont have one but I dont think that if you root your phone it will mess with it.
anyway if anything goes wrong you can always unroot with SuperSu app
hope that I helped
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Cheers m8, appreciate it. Sorry for going off on one..
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dladz said:
Cheers m8, appreciate it. Sorry for going off on one..
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no problem mate , never mind and you are welcome

Galaxy_Guy said:
no problem mate , never mind and you are welcome
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Sometimes its not what someone says, but how it is said that may annoy some people

gee2012 said:
Sometimes its not what someone says, but how it is said that may annoy some people
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That's very true, different cultures clashing sometimes causes issues like that whereas one won't see any problem with saying something in a particular way but it wasn't that, I've literally just got the device, didn't want a slanging match, just wanted a bit of advice, if someone knew then it'd be a lot less hassle to just say it rather than attempt to police the forum.
There's nearly 6 million users on XDA and that's registered users, even if a sixth of those people repeatedly ask questions by the time you've told each and every single one of them that they should search first, you'd more than likely have aged 20 years.
As for the original question, I ended up rooting using towel root, the gear fit still works as expected so all is well, many thanks for all the input, it's appreciated. And lol don't worry i'll be searching in the future, was just very rushed at the time and had a lot going on.
Cheers

Sigferwmce between G975F and G975F/DS

Hi anyone know the difference ? I have the F version and wonder what's the actual difference between the two. Thanks

DS= Dual Sim

What about Sigferwmce and Difference.. Damn some lazy typing there
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Thank you for the answer however I have only the F version but it's also dual sim

Anyone else?

jadaress1 said:
What about Sigferwmce and Difference.. Damn some lazy typing
I didn't find a way to edit that, but I was not really looking hard.. However, You just proved to yourself how useless a person like you can be. Congrats on answer which doesn't provide anything good! Good luck with this approach to flaws... you must have lots of friends... ...
And no... Facebook friends are not real friend... you know that right:laugh:
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MoccaBullFlower said:
jadaress1 said:
What about Sigferwmce and Difference.. Damn some lazy typing
I didn't find a way to edit that, but I was not really looking hard.. However, You just proved to yourself how useless a person like you can be. Congrats on answer which doesn't provide anything good! Good luck with this approach to flaws... you must have lots of friends... ...
And no... Facebook friends are not real friend... you know that right:laugh:
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Learn how to edit a threads (title) name before peronally
anatgonising and responding to (for me) a valid argument by a user.
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gee2012 said:
MoccaBullFlower said:
Learn how to edit a threads (title) name before peronally
anatgonising and responding to (for me) a valid argument by a user.
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Thanks. I actually laughed to he's reply, the fact he didn't bother to even look, looks to me like lazy typing.
It wasn't like you missed one letter or even two, the whole word was wrong. I'm not on Facebook. The fact that what I said bothered you so much that you wrote quite a lengthy response about me was quite telling and immature.
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jadaress1 said:
gee2012 said:
Thanks. I actually laughed to he's reply, the fact he didn't bother to even look, looks to me like lazy typing.
It wasn't like you missed one letter or even two, the whole word was wrong. I'm not on Facebook. The fact that what I said bothered you so much that you wrote quite a lengthy response about me was quite telling and immature.
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You have some nerves to call someone immature... so.. finally you grown and mature being... how about you actually answered the real question? instead of yapping nonsense finally.
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gee2012 said:
MoccaBullFlower said:
Learn how to edit a threads (title) name before peronally
anatgonising and responding to (for me) a valid argument by a user.
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While I understand anyone can ask politely to correct misspelling. Its utter nonsense to response without actually answering the question.
And as far as I can see, there is one sensible human being who actually answered. Nice and simple none of this .... nonsense to put it.
Just as u did not.. I'm not interested to hear your opinions or anybody else in matters of others than asked . I would like to hear the answer for the question. If you don't have it why don't you just go elsewhere where you may actually help others...
I do not have an intend or interest to continue this discussion. Thx
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Go and fix the title and maybe you'll get more answers... Bye
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