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[Q] 4GB Really?

The Mytouch 4g vs a lot of others phones has a whole 4GB of rom.
After I rooted it and installed Royal Ginger 2.1 on it, I saw I only have a little over 1GB for all my apps. Meaning that the OS takes up 3.6GB(formatted) - 1.2GB(Around) = 2.4GB ....
Is there anyway to get more user space? Some phones only come with 512MB of Rom so how are they able to load so much into 512 when we have 4GB and most of it not usable.
Honestly, I think 1GB is fine, just does not add up for me

I think when you see manufacturers talk rom size it's the amount available to the user. So 512MB after os allocation.

so when mytouch 4g says 4GB it means? 4GB to user?

the 4 gigs are supposed to be for the system and any read only data, or apps that don't like being on the SD Card. Even with a hundred apps, it should still be enough. What you'd really want is a larger SD card, and you'll be living in harmony.

No 4GB total of which 1.1 available.
Desire for 512MB of which 100 or less available to user.
Rest is storage + cache.
Desire canbe changed VIA hboot. If same can be done to glacier, im sûre u'll find the remaining space.
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nicbrownn80 said:
so when mytouch 4g says 4GB it means? 4GB to user?
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Had that backwards, sorry

Galaxy S wont get Android 4, any hope for S+ ?

theverge.com/2011/12/23/2657132/samsung-no-ics-upgrade-for-galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab
As i see there wont be a update for galaxys and there is no hope for s+ too...
Oh i never buy samsungs damn phone.

Dont buy it then...go for nokia...i satisfide with my samsung...
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no hope because S+ has only 512 ram. Samsung claims it is not enough for Touchwizz and ICS

samsung is just lying because Arc s also has similar ram and processor and runs a custoum ui also and is getting ics upgrade. Samsung is just using an excuse to ditch its low end and mid end users. and this probably will be my last Samsung phone. next time its sony because they have customer loyalty which Samsung has forgotten about after its brief period of success

The reason of samsung to ditch the Sgs 1, sgs+ (and even the just 2 months old technical identical galaxy w) is that the size of the rom memory of these devices (the /system folder) is too small for an Ics rom with touchwiz interface. Bullsh*t...
The /system folder is a dedicated partition to the rom. Therefore an 8 Gb device has less sdcard space than it's adverted with. The internal sdcard space is there, but it's not freely accessible. Devices such as the htc desire hd, sgs 1, and many others, have simple hacks to repartition their internal sdcard, granting extra room for larger roms.
When I installed a clean 2.3.6 XXKPS rom on my sgs+, there was about 60 mb of free space left. After I got rid of all bloatware with titanium backup (root uninstaller, or manually emptying the /system/app folder of bloatware do the same). Afterwards there was 160 mb of /system space free.
What samsung says with: "there is not enough space for an ics rom on a sgs 1 to guarantee a proper ics experience", is that they want to get a couple of 10's (sponsored) dollars extra per sold device. And a nice advantage of this tactic is they can cut support for devices "who don't have proper memory" since they don't want to pay to develop a new firmware version.
Actually, I even think a sgs II got a /system partition of about the same size as a sgs (1, +, sl, W). And Samsung is probably able to stretch it by repartition it via kies with the update.
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They should just release the source for an AOSP version, that way they won't have to support it.
But that is just too easy isn't it samsung?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1410419

Defy+ Questions

Hello, I about to buy Motorola Defy+ in the next 2 weeks and I'm curious about few things that I didnt clearly understand about the phone.
I've been looking around and I found it's specs.
The most confusing thing in it's specs was "2 GB storage, 512 MB RAM, 1 GB ROM". As far as I could understand it and explain it to myself was it has 512 ram, 1 GB memory to install custom roms and 2 GB internal storage for games/movies/pictures/music. Am I right?
One more thing that I'm curious about is the storage. If I was right about the internal and rom storage do you guys have any problems with 2 GB storage?
Thanks in advance. I'll be happy to join Defy's community.

Mavasilisk said:
Hello, I about to buy Motorola Defy+ in the next 2 weeks and I'm curious about few things that I didnt clearly understand about the phone.
I've been looking around and I found it's specs.
The most confusing thing in it's specs was "2 GB storage, 512 MB RAM, 1 GB ROM". As far as I could understand it and explain it to myself was it has 512 ram, 1 GB memory to install custom roms and 2 GB internal storage for games/movies/pictures/music. Am I right?
One more thing that I'm curious about is the storage. If I was right about the internal and rom storage do you guys have any problems with 2 GB storage?
Thanks in advance. I'll be happy to join Defy's community.
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Do not worry about anything, just buy the phone if you don't really need secondary camera. We have the best developers working for the development of defy. So you'll be more than happy. We have stable gingerbread, ics, jb builds, also 4.2 in the making. So go for it.
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Thanks, mate! The good devs is a huge fact that made me like the phone even more. This device seems immortal thanks to Quart.
Your answer really encouraged me to buy it. Actually, I'm going to try the phone in two hours. I will join the community in like 2 weeks.

Google Edition S4 Rom ??

Assuming the hardware is identical for the Google edition S4/ to the ATT version, i assume once you PhoneWizards get a hold of one of them and remove the ROM or Google is a G and releases that said ROM , we could jimmy that onto an ATT bought phone and be in Google heaven?
Like wise the updates could be applied as needed via the code release or extraction?
or is there some neeto software lock they are cooking into that so it wont work on a Non "edition" phone? (at least until the smarties hack it)
Okay thanks !
i booted up CM10.1 yesterday, and thank god for you people, i donated 10 bucks to the cause

This ROM's release will show how the developers at Google and HTC are at a different level when it comes to ROM development and stability! I can't wait for the release.

Agree
Weldzor said:
Assuming the hardware is identical for the Google edition S4/ to the ATT version, i assume once you PhoneWizards get a hold of one of them and remove the ROM or Google is a G and releases that said ROM , we could jimmy that onto an ATT bought phone and be in Google heaven?
Like wise the updates could be applied as needed via the code release or extraction?
or is there some neeto software lock they are cooking into that so it wont work on a Non "edition" phone? (at least until the smarties hack it)
Okay thanks !
i booted up CM10.1 yesterday, and thank god for you people, i donated 10 bucks to the cause
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I totally agree. I can't imagine the rom being too different. I just purchased an ATT GS4 for $1.74 from BestBuy. I couldn't give up the deal especially with the GE GS4 going for over $500, but I'm hoping to install the GE rom on it. Either that or I'll sell mine on ebay and just buy the GE outright. I hope this comes soon. Wanted to put CM on it but read that I would lose the IR and bluetooth on it. Wasn't worth it for me to lose it.

mrwifi said:
I totally agree. I can't imagine the rom being too different. I just purchased an ATT GS4 for $1.74 from BestBuy. I couldn't give up the deal especially with the GE GS4 going for over $500, but I'm hoping to install the GE rom on it. Either that or I'll sell mine on ebay and just buy the GE outright. I hope this comes soon. Wanted to put CM on it but read that I would lose the IR and bluetooth on it. Wasn't worth it for me to lose it.
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From what I've been reading...the google edition probably won't have support for the ir blaster or other new sensors...but right now it is just speculation
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I think the devs will be able to get it ported over to the other GS4 variants and vice versa for any google edition S4 owners who want the Samsung ux.

itismadhan said:
This ROM's release will show how the developers at Google and HTC are at a different level when it comes to ROM development and stability! I can't wait for the release.
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What does HTC have to do with anything? You must mean Samsung?
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Google stock will have drivers for those sensors.. just lack of package to enable features (which is Touchwiz). Probably 3rd party remote apps still can use IR blaster.
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Does anyone know when this is expected to be released ?

LordGeek said:
Does anyone know when this is expected to be released ?
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June 26th I think
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I wonder if the Google edition S4 rom will support exFAT SDCards. If it does, I would switch from Samsung's roms. If it does not, I won't.
I most certainly will NOT use FAT32 formatting on my 64GB SDCard!!

rcklss1 said:
June 26th I think
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I've heard June 26th as well.

So is the only true advantage of getting the google edition phone is that it will have the boot loader unlocked? Since the current loki way of getting custom roms into our phones can be later patched and prevent us from installing newer version of android OS? Sorry for the noob question and observation.. but I still have time to return this the gs4 and just wait for the google edition so I'm trying to decided what is the best choice here.. I have the 32gb version which I would be losing that extra space and I'm hoping they offer it in black

doug0365 said:
So is the only true advantage of getting the google edition phone is that it will have the boot loader unlocked? Since the current loki way of getting custom roms into our phones can be later patched and prevent us from installing newer version of android OS? Sorry for the noob question and observation.. but I still have time to return this the gs4 and just wait for the google edition so I'm trying to decided what is the best choice here.. I have the 32gb version which I would be losing that extra space and I'm hoping they offer it in black
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Well...I wouldn't return it if you got it with a contract, from what I understand the google edition will not be sold by carriers under a contract...so no $200 subsidized price. You will have to pay the full $600+ it costs...so if your interested in it than your probably gonna want to sell your s4 on craigslist for as close to full retail you can get...you should easily be able to pull in $600 for the 32gb
As far as other benefits besides an unlocked bootloader, we are not sure. It may or it may not come with drivers for the new sensors, one user claimed a page back that it would have drivers just not programs to use them...we don't know that, there is no solid evidence I'm aware of that says drivers will be included, its all speculation right now...I'm hoping they include drivers, but I'm not going to hold my breath for it either
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Almost certain things like the IR blaster wont be functional in the Google Edition devices, they already stated that the HTC One GE ir blaster won't be supported.

Curious why this isn't a more hot topic right now with the phones releasing tomorrow. Is there another thread somewhere with updated info?

Samsung AND HTC have google editions now
Their is also an HTC 'pure google' phone now, like they announced for the S4
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What does HTC have to do with anything? You must mean Samsung?
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I bet the Google rom will be the fastest spreading rom ever. Just a hunch.

penguinjoe said:
I wonder if the Google edition S4 rom will support exFAT SDCards. If it does, I would switch from Samsung's roms. If it does not, I won't.
I most certainly will NOT use FAT32 formatting on my 64GB SDCard!!
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Why not? There are ways to format a 64GB card as FAT32. I did so just fine on mine.

I'm curious about this as well. I'm using Nova Launcher, so at least I don't have to deal with TouchWiz, but pure would be nice...

Christopher3712 said:
Why not? There are ways to format a 64GB card as FAT32. I did so just fine on mine.
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Dranakin said:
I'm curious about this as well. I'm using Nova Launcher, so at least I don't have to deal with TouchWiz, but pure would be nice...
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There are a couple of reasons.
File size
FAT32 has a 4GB file size limit. That does not exist on a exfat filesystem. If I want to drop a 5-8GB HD movie on my sdcard, I can with exfat. With fat32, I need to either transcode the movie down to fit or split it up.
Fragmentation.
While the general thought is that SDCards don't need to be defragmented due to there being no moving parts, there is a study here that shows much different results: http://www.lagom.nl/misc/flash_fragmentation.html The results are shocking! Now add in the 32K cluster sizes (32GB sdcards only need 16k clusters) and you will see that fat32 filesystems would be a really bad idea for >32GB (or any for that matter) SDCards. Microsoft won't even support it. You have to go to third party utilities to force formatting these to FAT32. If Microsoft refuses to support >32GB on a drive with FAT32, what do they know that we don't? It is their file system!
Fat32 is simply a beefed up version of the FAT filesystem that was created in the 1970s. There really is no real difference beyond the bits used in the file allocation table to support larger and larger volumes. It is absolutely archaic in how it stores files and heavily prone to fragmentation. Worse, due to the limited lifespan of an SDCard or SSD, it is not recommended to defragment these often. Exfat has had its file allocation functions totally revamped to reduce or remove fragmentation. In fact it was designed specifically with solid state storage in mind.
So yeah, I'm, not keen on formatting my 64GB SDCard with FAT32. In fact if I could get away with exfat on my 32GB sdcard I be tempted to use it there too.
Hell, I would even be happy with ext2 or ext3 on my SDCard. I have no problem accessing Linux filesystems on my Windows box.

[Q] WIll 16 GB suffice?

Dear All,
I know what I'm asking is also personal preference.
Currently I own a Z1, but due to the bootloader issue when unlocking the bootloader your camera function breaks and very small rom community, it crossed my mind to buy a LG G2 (and what also helps is the terrific battery life).
The thing which is currently me holding back to buy a LG G2 is regarding the the 16GB. In The Netherlands they don't sell the 32GB version.
My questions are:
1. How much space does a custom LG stock rom software needs?
2. How much space does AOSP normally rom needs?
Thanks guys

JayantSparda said:
The thing which is currently me holding back to buy a LG G2 is regarding the the 16GB. In The Netherlands they don't sell the 32GB version.
My questions are:
1. How much space does a custom LG stock rom software needs?
2. How much space does AOSP normally rom needs?
Thanks guys
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I don't know how closely this will apply to your version, but my stock T-Mobile USA 32GB model shows 24GB of space, of which I've already used up 8 GB just loading up all my usual apps and such.
Seems like 16GB is likely to feel cramped.
Got the phone yesterday...so far, 1st impression, love it. Best phone I've owned...and I've owned quite a few

Zanthexter said:
I don't know how closely this will apply to your version, but my stock T-Mobile USA 32GB model shows 24GB of space, of which I've already used up 8 GB just loading up all my usual apps and such.
Seems like 16GB is likely to feel cramped.
Got the phone yesterday...so far, 1st impression, love it. Best phone I've owned...and I've owned quite a few
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Thanks for your answer Zanthexter.
16 GB's feels definitely cramped yeah..

JayantSparda said:
Dear All,
I know what I'm asking is also personal preference.
Currently I own a Z1, but due to the bootloader issue when unlocking the bootloader your camera function breaks and very small rom community, it crossed my mind to buy a LG G2 (and what also helps is the terrific battery life).
The thing which is currently me holding back to buy a LG G2 is regarding the the 16GB. In The Netherlands they don't sell the 32GB version.
My questions are:
1. How much space does a custom LG stock rom software needs?
2. How much space does AOSP normally rom needs?
Thanks guys
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I think I asked somewhere. Since there it's no repartitioning. The roms take the same space.
Had before a 32GB hox. That was enough with USB otg.
Now this 16 having only 10 GB left. With one backup almost 3GB compressed. Some pics and one big game Asphalt and I can't do a second backup....
Without USB OTG a 16 would be for me unstable unusable....
Still waiting for my meenova
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LG customers (along with many others) get 50gb free space on box for lifetime at the moment.

No effing way. The OS/ROM holds 9 GB ransom. I suppose 16GB would be OK for a casual user, but casual users wouldn't register for an XDA account.
Flipping ridiculous, man. I don't need, or particularly want, all the fancy animations and stuff. 9 gigs for a phone OS? The Linux instance on my HTPC is half that... Shoot, I can trim Windows 7 down to within spitting distance of that.
Can't wait for true skinny stable AOSP 4.4 on this device.
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