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Gripes... ICS more like iOS?

Ok so I just switched from CM7 on wonderful Gingerbread, to this ICS gabbage since CM7 isn't supported anymore by atinm I figure I would switch....
Well what the freak... i'm just gonna make a small list and correct me if i'm wrong on any of this...
First off, why is it anytime I download anything from the market I automatically get a shortcut on my home screen. I'm sorry I have an app drawer, if I was dumb enough to want my screen to always look cluttered I would have bought an IPhone to begin with.
Second, whats with the widgets now... They are joking right? What was wrong with holding down the home screen... It was more simple... Now I go into my apps and see there is a danged column for widgets. Stupid or what?
Third is messaging... At least in gingerbread I could change the background between black and white. Now it's blistering killer white.. Who said everyone likes white!?!?! Must be an apple thing.
Fourth.. I cannot, cannot cannot seem to get rid of the Google Search bar at the top of my main page. WTF I don't want want you there, go away!!!
To me it seems like ICS is trying to be something like Apple... Why I don't know, and I don't like it... but at least the GPS locks in a second or two everytime...

sir, i will say this once. and once only.
use the search button.
1st off, there's a option in the market to stop the shortcuts from happening.
second, just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean others don't either. I LOVE it. and i'm sure theres more that like it than there is that don't.
thirdly, You're on android go find yourself another messaging app if you don't like the default.
fourth, Not sure if it still works but settings>apps>google search> disable should do it.

1. There's an option in the android market for the new apps installed not to go to your home screen.
2. The only way to solve this is to use a 3rd party launcher.
3. I really don't know what to tell you here... Try another messaging app?
4. In the preferences, there's an option so the Google search will not be on your home screen.

Well jwleonhart,
It's more of your poor piss attitude, calling ICS garbage and other stuff like that.
But seriously, if you searched any ICS topic, you would have found that messaging app, you would have found out how to disable the google search bar, and you would have found out about another ICS launcher named Nova that has the hold for widgets feature.
Ever heard the phrase if you don't have something nice to say, say nothing at all... Keep it to yourself bro.
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Ever heard of hypocrisy, which is exactly what you are doing right now. If you have nothing nice to say, then don't start a thread calling ICS GARBAGE. Also, in a thread about how great our SuperAmoled screen is you call it sucky compared to other phones. Does not sound like that is particularly nice.
Seriously, xrider66 is much more right in his rant than you are.

This thread is the best.
I dont like a lot of things about ICS either, but what the hell does anyone give a damn about my opinion. A lot of people fail to realize that what THEY think, is not what EVERYONE thinks.
This is funny ----->
jwleonhart said:
Third is messaging... At least in gingerbread I could change the background between black and white. Now it's blistering killer white.. Who said everyone likes white!?!?! Must be an apple thing.
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So to snowball off of this point of yours, who said everyone likes inverted?? ignorant.
OS features/framework are calculated, and at least attempted to be based on majority appeal. why the hell would they release something that nobody likes? the reality is, they cant make everybody happy, all they can do is try to make as many people happy as possible.
Google didn't become a powerhouse by accident.
your OP sucks, it can pretty much be simplified down to "wahh wahhwahh wahhhh...fix everything for me and tailor everything to my liking!". YOUR type of attitude is the type that has trashed the Vibrant forum, and is precisely why devs HATE us. Youre the type who jumps into a ROM thread and says something like "can you please make the notification text yellow, it would go better with my theme. also, my phone is laggy, can you please fix this?"
if you dont like something, dont use it. i flashed ICS this morning, gave it a fair shot, its not up to my personal standards so i reverted. wow, that was hard.

jwleonhart said:
Ok so I just switched from CM7 on wonderful Gingerbread, to this ICS gabbage since CM7 isn't supported anymore by atinm I figure I would switch....
Well what the freak... i'm just gonna make a small list and correct me if i'm wrong on any of this...
First off, why is it anytime I download anything from the market I automatically get a shortcut on my home screen. I'm sorry I have an app drawer, if I was dumb enough to want my screen to always look cluttered I would have bought an IPhone to begin with.
Second, whats with the widgets now... They are joking right? What was wrong with holding down the home screen... It was more simple... Now I go into my apps and see there is a danged column for widgets. Stupid or what?
Third is messaging... At least in gingerbread I could change the background between black and white. Now it's blistering killer white.. Who said everyone likes white!?!?! Must be an apple thing.
Fourth.. I cannot, cannot cannot seem to get rid of the Google Search bar at the top of my main page. WTF I don't want want you there, go away!!!
To me it seems like ICS is trying to be something like Apple... Why I don't know, and I don't like it... but at least the GPS locks in a second or two everytime...
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You sir are an ^ss.
Instead of asking for a solution to the things you prefer different, you call ICS garbage and ***** and moan and rant.
All four things you listed have ways to make ICS the way you *****ed about wanting but you could not take the time to look.
If you can't be polite in your OP do not expect anyone to be polite to you.
May a thousand camel fleas descend upon you.

haha.. no one should have helped him in the first place because of his whining but calling him out is acceptable.

seems the tables have turned hmm?
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Looking at this thread I thought, "A great man once said..."
Whitehawkx said:
I find this thread difficult to masturbate to.
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Vibrant section at its best...

Its "gabbage." (Garbage? Cabbage? A mix of the two?) I can't help but read the rest of the OP with a thick Boston accent.
All your inquiries have been answered there OP with the acception of the mms apk, unless I missed that response.. And if you go dig around the nexus s forums, you will find an inverted mms apk for ICS that works beautifully.
Also, if you bothered to read the ICS threads, its mentioned more than once.
Reading is FUNdamental!
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And Gasp! IOS is becoming more like android? WHEN WILL THIS INSANITY END!
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For a few things I did search for the shortcut to the market and didn't find anything until the answer here.
Second, i'm simply asking a question and seeing how other people feel on that subject also. I've seen Nova and I just am at a loss personally and from what a few others have said, why the widgets would be squashed in with the apps, this isn't really a tablet..
I was A) looking for answers to my questions, and B)looking to see how others felt.
I didn't come on here to go "Whaa whaa" either, i'm simply stating things I see..
Who said everyone wants a black MMS? Nobody said that... but who said everyone wants white!?!? At least with Gingerbread there was the OPTION to change it, why not KEEP that option instead of DO AWAY WITH IT? I do kinda have a point there right? They deleted a feature instead of adding one in that sense.
If this whole thread is gonna turn into an arguement it may be better that this thread just be closed... Children run around on this forum all too much. Everyone has to open their mouths and turn a topix into an arguement.
And I said our AMOLED screen is outdated and old compared to newer phones. It is, it's old... face a fact.
ali1276 said:
Well jwleonhart,
It's more of your poor piss attitude, calling ICS garbage and other stuff like that.
But seriously, if you searched any ICS topic, you would have found that messaging app, you would have found out how to disable the google search bar, and you would have found out about another ICS launcher named Nova that has the hold for widgets feature.
Ever heard of hypocrisy, which is exactly what you are doing right now. If you have nothing nice to say, then don't start a thread calling ICS GARBAGE. Also, in a thread about how great our SuperAmoled screen is you call it sucky compared to other phones. Does not sound like that is particularly nice.
Seriously, xrider66 is much more right in his rant than you are.
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Someone on their computer just report this thread and get it closed.
The guy got his answers , we all expressed our opinions and its all good now.
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Why don't you do that then?
xriderx66 said:
Someone on their computer just report this thread and get it closed.
The guy got his answers , we all expressed our opinions and its all good now.
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It's getting closed? One last post then...
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jwleonhart said:
Why don't you do that then?
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Ffs that's why I said someone on their computer I'm not near one.
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See ya!

So go get to one whats wrong with you?
xriderx66 said:
Ffs that's why I said someone on their computer I'm not near one.
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jwleonhart said:
So go get to one whats wrong with you?
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...god damn it.
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How Much Better Will The Note Be With ICS

Now that Samsung have officially confirmed that the Note will be one of the first to get the ICS update, what improvements will it make? Will it be worth while doing it for Note works very well on Gingerbread.

The most important for me, except other nice features, is that ics will optimized full the 2 cores of Note and improved more battery life.
Sent from the best smartphone, Galaxy Note...

I am sure ICS will fly on the Note. Full dual core optimisation is what I am wanting.
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the most SICK news it's "hardware acceleration"
we got much mote better GPU than Samsung Galaxy Nexus !
So our phone will ROCK !

i know they said ICS in Q1 but have they released a tentative date?. .
any ideas? .or patterns with samsung?

I hope they take their time releasing ICS. The fewer the bugs, the better for us
mcatt66 said:
i know they said ICS in Q1 but have they released a tentative date?. .
any ideas? .or patterns with samsung?
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I was talking to a Samsung rep on phone today and when i asked him about ICS, he said "Its already on ICS". So my next question was: "are you sure? cause i am on 2.3.6". He said "yeah what i meant was, since our nexus has it, it won't be long before the note gets it. No official dates as to when it comes" So, either a) he had no idea what he was talking about, or b) ICS is being tested on the note as we speak

what im waiting for is AOSP ICS rom or CM9 would do. The reason is FULL tablet interface, experience.

I'm wondering how much faster the camera will be. Romain Guy said that the zero shutter lag on the galaxy nexus is a combination of software+hardware optimisations, so it will be interesting to find out what kind of improvement we will get. At the moment it feels like there is 1 second between each of 1) Pressing the camera button, 2) The shutter noise and 3) actual photo taken. It's a bizarre experience.

It's gonna be LEGEND......
..wait for it....
....ARY!

wabz said:
I'm wondering how much faster the camera will be. Romain Guy said that the zero shutter lag on the galaxy nexus is a combination of software+hardware optimisations, so it will be interesting to find out what kind of improvement we will get. At the moment it feels like there is 1 second between each of 1) Pressing the camera button, 2) The shutter noise and 3) actual photo taken. It's a bizarre experience.
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The main reason they used a 5MP instead of an 8MP camera in the Galaxy Nexus was speed. Fewer pixels to process, fewer pixels to write to storage. Don't expect that kind of speed on the Note, or a GS2, etc when they get the ICS camera app.

To be honest, if you use the technique and aren't using the flash where you prepare the camera by pressing the shutter button first and then release when you want to take the picture then there is virtually no meaningful lag.

You definitely have a different note than me. The lag ducks. Do like the camera tho.
airwater9 said:
To be honest, if you use the technique and aren't using the flash where you prepare the camera by pressing the shutter button first and then release when you want to take the picture then there is virtually no meaningful lag.
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Im hoping that ICS might correct my offset screen (s-pen, finger input) and somehow get rid of the pinkish huein the middle of the pictures i take.
If Dolohin HD crashed less that would be great.
Other than that, everything else would be gravy. I love my Note and I am now done with iphones. My son still has a 4gS but I cant even stand to look at it!
However, Im not one of those people who judge others. If you love iphones, more power to ya!

BeamMeUpStreaky said:
Im hoping that ICS might correct my offset screen (s-pen, finger input) and somehow get rid of the pinkish huein the middle of the pictures i take.
If Dolohin HD crashed less that would be great.
Other than that, everything else would be gravy. I love my Note and I am now done with iphones. My son still has a 4gS but I cant even stand to look at it!
However, Im not one of those people who judge others. If you love iphones, more power to ya!
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Ics should fix the spen problem, ics has stylus input already built in.

Yes having the spen more accurate would be a great new advantage of having ICS on Note..

I am still impressed by the speed of my note. With ICS if it gets better... Awesome!
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Ryanscool said:
Ics should fix the spen problem, ics has stylus input already built in.
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I got sick of my pen making random selections and acting erratic. I had a fit lol amd ripped the button off the side of the pen. Problem solved. Its still offset and i despise that bur at least when i pass the pen over the screen it doesnt select something from and inch away from the screen. I will buy a new pen with no button function. Thr only thing i ever used the button for was screen caputure but i can do that easily with hone button + sleep button.
I notice that on some web pages when i want to click a link, i have to compensate by pressing higher that the hyper link with my finger or pen.
Samsung wants to have an s-pen smartphone... GET IT RIGHT. As far as finger touch goes, there is no excuse for having to press 2mm higher than the hyperlink. Thats a lack of screen calibration which i find ignorant.
Now if i could stop all of my browsers from closing abruptly i would be less angry about the screen calibration. My iphone browser has never closed on me, not on any of them.
Still love my phone though. However, i seem to be refering to it as the galaxy n7000 because between tje pen and the unforgivable lack of screen calibration, "Note" seems a like a title that it has yet to earn.

Strange, I have no spen inaccuracy problem.
However I would like to see:
1-Better camera picture quality,the sharpness in the taken pics really sucks.
2-faster,this is a must be addressed issue,the wakeup lag from the homebutton,the lag while opening applications specially the Contacts is just unforgivable for hardware with such specs.
3-I have no such issue in the Opera browser since its not hardware accelerated,but both Dolphin and stock browsers which support that feature crush a lot and suffer from battery drainage. This of course could be because gingerbread doesn't support that feature either.
Other than these three very important issues all is well on my front.!!

hagba said:
Strange, I have no spen inaccuracy problem.
However I would like to see:
1-Better camera picture quality,the sharpness in the taken pics really sucks.
2-faster,this is a must be addressed issue,the wakeup lag from the homebutton,the lag while opening applications specially the Contacts is just unforgivable for hardware with such specs.
3-I have no such issue in the Opera browser since its not hardware accelerated,but both Dolphin and stock browsers which support that feature crush a lot and suffer from battery drainage. This of course could be because gingerbread doesn't support that feature either.
Other than these three very important issues all is well on my front.!!
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Correct. Whilst it's not perfect the wake up lag is poor. Sometimes when opening sms messages or contacts/phonebook it takes upto 4 seconds which is unnacceptable!!!
It should be instantaneous...

im pretty excited about ics too exspecially about the new ui. I was looking through the features list and it didnt say any thing about it there but does any one know if the default mail app (not gmail) has push notifications
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I read the page but it didn't say anything about push email which is really important to me, i use yahoo mail as a default mail and i use the ymail app, not that there is anything wrong with it but i prefer the default email app as sometimes when you want to "share" something there is the message, Bluetooth, email and stuff but sometimes it doesn't have the share through yahoo mail app, plus the yahoo mail takes forever to 'attach' pictures and send.
I just wanted to know if you guys know anything about the push email on the default email app, i know the gmail app has it but im not switching to gmail
Another thing i would like to know is this:
Huge fan of reading ebooks, and note has a sexy screen perfect for reading books, and i love the ui the books are displayed above, can any one clarify if that is only for tablets, or is an app on the android market (checked the market and nothing) or will only be available on ics when it comes out
Also will the 'US' version of android market be available outside US on ics or we still got to root and then use market enabler?
Hope ICS comes out soon with as little bugs and and plenty of improvements possible!!

Making android more accessible to disabilities

I am currently working with clients with severe physical disabilities, one of my clients has been given a Samsung 10" tablet which he loves using. However due to his disability it is proving difficult, He currently used a 'dynavox' to communicate.
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in the first picture you will notice two joysticks, the one with the golf ball on steers his chair the other is his mouse for his dynavox this is a usb connection. The problem comes with the 'mouse' click, this is achieved by the green pad under his right arm in the second picture, this is plugged into the dynavox separately.
Im hoping the people here can assist me making android more accessible for my client.

So the joystick works with the tab but he's not able to click using it?

No, the click comes from touching the green pad. It goes into the dynavox via the mic socket
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What are your requirements?
A.cid
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There are other issues like icon size etc but these can be overcome, root unfortunately is a no go atm due to it being so new from his parents
"You learn something new every day if you're not careful" - Wilf Lunn

You might have better luck in a different forum. I was thinking of moving this to the Android software and development forum. Is that okay with you?

mark manning said:
You might have better luck in a different forum. I was thinking of moving this to the Android software and development forum. Is that okay with you?
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That's fine with me, wasn't sure myself so i placed it here. Thanks
"You learn something new every day if you're not careful" - Wilf Lunn

jugg1es said:
"You learn something new every day if you're not careful" - Wilf Lunn
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Ok don't know what happened here. My post didn't come up.
Ok is partly a hardware issue with the joystick etc, it's also partly with icon and font size Etc.
"You learn something new every day if you're not careful" - Wilf Lunn

mark manning said:
You might have better luck in a different forum. I was thinking of moving this to the Android software and development forum. Is that okay with you?
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I would put it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1425
Problem isn't with android per say. I say it's hardware. Modifying a mouse.
I would take apart a usb mouse (trackball or joystick) and separate the button actuation mechanism and route that to a pad for his lap to use for the button and mount the movement where he wants for the mouse.
Does that make sense? Or do I need to elaborate my explanation?
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And I don't know how old the dude is, but I would totally rock this on my chair
http://www.amazon.com/Joystick-Cont...8&qid=1379016265&sr=1-5&keywords=usb+joystick

boborone said:
I would put it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1425
Problem isn't with android per say. I say it's hardware. Modifying a mouse.
I would take apart a usb mouse (trackball or joystick) and separate the button actuation mechanism and route that to a pad for his lap to use for the button and mount the movement where he wants for the mouse.
Does that make sense? Or do I need to elaborate my explanation?
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And I don't know how old the dude is, but I would totally rock this on my chair
http://www.amazon.com/Joystick-Cont...8&qid=1379016265&sr=1-5&keywords=usb+joystick
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That's probably a better idea

boborone said:
I would put it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1425
Problem isn't with android per say. I say it's hardware. Modifying a mouse.
I would take apart a usb mouse (trackball or joystick) and separate the button actuation mechanism and route that to a pad for his lap to use for the button and mount the movement where he wants for the mouse.
Does that make sense? Or do I need to elaborate my explanation?
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And I don't know how old the dude is, but I would totally rock this on my chair
http://www.amazon.com/Joystick-Cont...8&qid=1379016265&sr=1-5&keywords=usb+joystick
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That makes sense, i think i can find an old spare green switch to play with.
My next issues will be with keyboards i think. Most android keyboards that I've come across are more designed for people with fairly good eyesight and dextrous thumbs, can anyone suggest a large lettered keyboard?
I'm sure I'm going to come across a few more issues as i go :banghead:
"You learn something new every day if you're not careful" - Wilf Lunn

jugg1es said:
That makes sense, i think i can find an old spare green switch to play with.
My next issues will be with keyboards i think. Most android keyboards that I've come across are more designed for people with fairly good eyesight and dextrous thumbs, can anyone suggest a large lettered keyboard?
I'm sure I'm going to come across a few more issues as i go :banghead:
"You learn something new every day if you're not careful" - Wilf Lunn
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Found what they call an adaptive keyboard. But the oversized trackball mouse on here would be a good idea since dexterity is an issue.
http://webaim.org/articles/motor/assistive
Trackball
The first one seems like it would be a perfect fit.
http://www.abledata.com/abledata.cfm?pageid=19327&ksectionid=19327&top=14899
Keyboards
http://www.iltsource.com/Assistive_Technology_Products_s/25.htm
Different things
http://www.infogrip.com/
Does the tablet have USB OTG support?
And even USB hubs don't have to be boring. Pimp that sht up man.
And my favorite

boborone said:
Found what they call an adaptive keyboard. But the oversized trackball mouse on here would be a good idea since dexterity is an issue.
http://webaim.org/articles/motor/assistive
Trackball
The first one seems like it would be a perfect fit.
http://www.abledata.com/abledata.cfm?pageid=19327&ksectionid=19327&top=14899
Keyboards
http://www.iltsource.com/Assistive_Technology_Products_s/25.htm
Different things
http://www.infogrip.com/
Does the tablet have USB OTG support?
And even USB hubs don't have to be boring. Pimp that sht up man.
And my favorite
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The tablet is the Samsung tab (im sure it has otg natively)
The hubs look cool and I'm sure he'll take a fancy to them
"You learn something new every day if you're not careful" - Wilf Lunn

Update : it looks like it's going to be a modded joystick. My client used to use a trackball but no longer has the dexterity to manage one successfully. The same can be said of the external keyboard.
We looked at 'big launcher' which looks nice and had icons about the right size but seems to be geared more towards phone use than tablet use so I'm considering using uccw for a larger icon sets on his home screens, these would be an advantage as he would be able to touch the hotspots with his knuckle as well as using his button on bad days.
"You learn something new every day if you're not careful" - Wilf Lunn

jugg1es said:
Update : it looks like it's going to be a modded joystick. My client used to use a trackball but no longer has the dexterity to manage one successfully. The same can be said of the external keyboard.
We looked at 'big launcher' which looks nice and had icons about the right size but seems to be geared more towards phone use than tablet use so I'm considering using uccw for a larger icon sets on his home screens, these would be an advantage as he would be able to touch the hotspots with his knuckle as well as using his button on bad days.
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Cool man. Keep us updated with pics. I want to see how it turns out. Would be something good to share, maybe someone else can use the setup.

Just curious as to how this is coming?

At some point of time, you will have to change the dpi, and go opposite the usual direction. I.e. Change dpi to more higher values and force phone landscape mode.

@a.cid in trying to avoid root if i can, dpi changes have crossed my mind. @mark manning finding a controller that is a suitable size is tricky atm, he does like the idea of actually being able to touch the icons though. Going to request a uccw skin in the skins thread as soon as we've worked out which apps be will use lots. It's going to be a little slow, communication can take a while as he has to type out his responses, also getting to find the time to work with him when I'm at work is tricky, he's a busy busy lad what with horse riding, boccia, youth club etc
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When I can't answer any of your questions, as a parent of a disabled child, thank you for looking at Android. I'm so sick and tired of people saying that iPads are the ONLY answer for for what you are trying to do. I've had some nasty flame wars where I've been kicked off email groups because I've asked why not Android.
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Katt50 said:
When I can't answer any of your questions, as a parent of a disabled child, thank you for looking at Android. I'm so sick and tired of people saying that iPads are the ONLY answer for for what you are trying to do. I've had some nasty flame wars where I've been kicked off email groups because I've asked why not Android.
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If you don't mind me asking, what issues does your child face when using tablets and have you found any useful apps/mods etc?
"From the moment I picked your book up until I laid it down I was convulsed with laughter. Some day I intend reading it."
- Groucho Marx (1895-1977)

The sheer insult of AMOLED's wasted potential

It seems strange that a screen that could, if properly integrated with small aesthetic changes in the software, extend dramatically the battery life of this device is being asked more and more (with every update) to energize and illuminate as many pixels with 100% white as possible. It is maddening to me. When we add into the mix the non-replaceable battery, the whole thing starts to reek of planned obsolescence.
I would like to give motorola the benefit of the doubt, and imagine that the software developers in charge of the texting, dialer, and contacts truly have our eyes and sensibilities at heart, but it is difficult.
Thank you to all developers, including those who created this very app, who have followed in the footsteps of blackle (or without any external inspiration) and afforded the end user a simple switch in a settings dialogue somewhere.
I am assuming that at some point another software update will happen for this otherwise amazing phone. What are the options for communicating the desire for such a change to those rolling out 4.4.next? Whose skirt do I tug on? I have seen a LOT of similar sentiment. Also, should the ability to root an at&t '58 ever come to light, are there any ROMs that are skinned in darkness? Oh wait, I know, UTSF.
I feel better just talking about it. Thanks.

What?

It's stock Android, not specifically the Moto X. Indeed if you root there are many ways to make the white black
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rocketsaucev2 said:
It's stock Android, not specifically the Moto X. Indeed if you root there are many ways to make the white black
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any root app for this?

super65man said:
any root app for this?
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Gravity Box for all black system and "team blacked out" (they invert many apps) for a lot else. Also, there are many apps, that have "dark" (black) themes. I use Textra (sms) and whatsapp plus (find a black costum theme). Also, for Firefox there are extensions, that invert webpages. Too bbad Firefox is crap
But hold your horses, the difference in battery life isn't that dramatic. People will ALWAYS pick the phone that is brighter and has more "vibrant" colors in the store. The latest Samsung ad even refers to the critic, the colors on their devices are over saturated. It's a feature, not a bug

Dark menus and apps like the dialer are generally harder to view outside, and aren't as pleasing to the eye. Had a GS4 (it has an AMOLED screen as well) and tried a custom ROM done exactly to accommodate the AMOLED with dark colors and clear black everywhere possible. Well, I didn't enjoyed that in the long run, although it looked sleek at first sight. As I said it's generally harder to view the screen outside, and the eyes tend to tire from the black background.
Simply not worth it for the additional hour or two at most of battery life.

thesimulacre said:
It seems strange that a screen that could, if properly integrated with small aesthetic changes in the software, extend dramatically the battery life of this device is being asked more and more (with every update) to energize and illuminate as many pixels with 100% white as possible. It is maddening to me. When we add into the mix the non-replaceable battery, the whole thing starts to reek of planned obsolescence.
I would like to give motorola the benefit of the doubt, and imagine that the software developers in charge of the texting, dialer, and contacts truly have our eyes and sensibilities at heart, but it is difficult.
Thank you to all developers, including those who created this very app, who have followed in the footsteps of blackle (or without any external inspiration) and afforded the end user a simple switch in a settings dialogue somewhere.
I am assuming that at some point another software update will happen for this otherwise amazing phone. What are the options for communicating the desire for such a change to those rolling out 4.4.next? Whose skirt do I tug on? I have seen a LOT of similar sentiment. Also, should the ability to root an at&t '58 ever come to light, are there any ROMs that are skinned in darkness? Oh wait, I know, UTSF.
I feel better just talking about it. Thanks.
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Well you could have just said I want the choice to change all light themes to dark to save battery. Wow, did that all in one sentence LOL sorry had to be a smart ass. I do agree I prefer black especially at night even on a low setting it is blinding.

I like the black/blue look mainly because it looks more high tech than all the white nonsense of KitKat. That's why my X is still on 4.2.2.

bigv5150 said:
Well you could have just said I want the choice to change all light themes to dark to save battery. Wow, did that all in one sentence LOL sorry had to be a smart ass. I do agree I prefer black especially at night even on a low setting it is blinding.
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Brevity is not my strong suit.
The search function brought me to a cyanogenmod version of the texting that, with a little defaults finegeling, brought me back the old black n blue, which I also like better.
I think that without the ability to change permissions, though, the contacts and dialer are out of reach.

If you like black and blue,I'm sure there are forums for that.

_MetalHead_ said:
I like the black/blue look mainly because it looks more high tech than all the white nonsense of KitKat. That's why my X is still on 4.2.2.
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That's absolutey ridiculous. You are missing out on so many Motorola updates not to mention android itself by staying on jelly bean. I don't even
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rocketsaucev2 said:
That's absolutey ridiculous. You are missing out on so many Motorola updates not to mention android itself by staying on jelly bean. I don't even
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I have a Nexus 5 as well, so I do have a phone that is running the latest and greatest. I know what I am missing out on, and it's not much as far as I'm concerned. For me, my Moto X is perfect. It does everything I need it to, the way I need it to so there is absolutely no reason for me to update it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm not one of those guys who has to have the latest software on everything. My MacBook Pro is still on Snow Leopard, my iPad Mini Retina is on iOS 7, and again, my X is on 4.2.2. Heck, even my 2013 Nexus 7 is still on Jelly Bean. I find something that works, and I stick with it.

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I have a Nexus 5 as well, so I do have a phone that is running the latest and greatest. I know what I am missing out on, and it's not much as far as I'm concerned. For me, my Moto X is perfect. It does everything I need it to, the way I need it to so there is absolutely no reason for me to update it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm not one of those guys who has to have the latest software on everything. My MacBook Pro is still on Snow Leopard, my iPad Mini Retina is on iOS 7, and again, my X is on 4.2.2. Heck, even my 2013 Nexus 7 is still on Jelly Bean. I find something that works, and I stick with it.
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Not just the 'latest and greatest'. If updates to the Motorola features on the Moto X are not much as far as your concerned then that defeats the purpose of owning the Moto X. They haven't fixed anything that was broken, they've made them better. I guess you couldn't know what you are missing because you have made the puzzling decision to willingly stagnate your device ?
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Not just the 'latest and greatest'. If updates to the Motorola features on the Moto X are not much as far as your concerned then that defeats the purpose of owning the Moto X. They haven't fixed anything that was broken, they've made them better. I guess you couldn't know what you are missing because you have made the puzzling decision to willingly stagnate your device ?
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As I said, the features I use work perfectly for me. I don't need anything else from my X besides what I'm already getting from it. Trust me, I know what I'm doing.

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As I said, the features I use work perfectly for me. I don't need anything else from my X besides what I'm already getting from it. Trust me, I know what I'm doing.
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The software you are running is inferior
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The software you are running is inferior
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Lol! My thoughts exactly! ? Trust me I know what I'm doing
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[Discussion] The LG G5 discussion thread

Hello LG G5 users , feel free to talk here about anything related to the LG G5 :good:
Thread Rules
1. Respect the others
2. This is an LG G5 thread , do not talk about any other LG phone here.
3. Use appropriate langage.
4. And of course , respect xda rules.
So what do you think about this LG phone ?

Hi guys , thread opened thanks to @KennyG123 , now that the G5 is out and available for sale feel free to share your experience in this discussion thread.
I will update it later with infos , reviews , battery tests..etc.
Enjoy

This is my first impression of the G5 and I'm sure once the stock and custom roms start rolling out I will have a much better experience with my phone. I picked up my new LG G5 a hour ago from my local Sprint retailer and I have already run into a few problems that kind of bother me about the phone. I switched from my Nexus 6 to this phone and I would have to say I do enjoy the feel of the phone and the fact of it being smaller and easier to hold. This is the only good thing I have really noticed about the phone so far though. The volume rocker on the left side of the phone seems very strange and would be much more ergonomic with it remaining on the back or on the right side to be easily accessible with the thumb. The G5 does not have an app drawer with the current software even though there were leaks saying that they were actually going to end up adding the app drawer for this phone. The software seems as if it went for a more Apple style design with a more vivid color scheme. I ended up looking through some of the apps and there are advertisements in the voicemail app which just seems wrong. I have already ran into a bug which should be expected with any new release of a phone of course and this bug happens when I double tap on a notification on the lock screen it locks the screen instead of opening the application which I really hope wasn't the intended purpose. So far the phone isn't as great as I expected it to be.

@CorruptProfile Thank you very much sir for this first well detailed feedback.
How about other things like the camera , performance ( if you tried any intensive game ) ? Is it buttery smooth or LG 5.0 UX suffer from lags ?

CorruptProfile said:
This is my first impression of the G5 and I'm sure once the stock and custom roms start rolling out I will have a much better experience with my phone. I picked up my new LG G5 a hour ago from my local Sprint retailer and I have already run into a few problems that kind of bother me about the phone. I switched from my Nexus 6 to this phone and I would have to say I do enjoy the feel of the phone and the fact of it being smaller and easier to hold. This is the only good thing I have really noticed about the phone so far though. The volume rocker on the left side of the phone seems very strange and would be much more ergonomic with it remaining on the back or on the right side to be easily accessible with the thumb. The G5 does not have an app drawer with the current software even though there were leaks saying that they were actually going to end up adding the app drawer for this phone. The software seems as if it went for a more Apple style design with a more vivid color scheme. I ended up looking through some of the apps and there are advertisements in the voicemail app which just seems wrong. I have already ran into a bug which should be expected with any new release of a phone of course and this bug happens when I double tap on a notification on the lock screen it locks the screen instead of opening the application which I really hope wasn't the intended purpose. So far the phone isn't as great as I expected it to be.
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Have you checked right? T-Mobile users said that the app drawer is there, like seen in the GUI Official Video (not a leek)

Killua96 said:
Have you checked right? T-Mobile users said that the app drawer is there, like seen in the GUI Official Video (not a leek)
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It is there if you use easy mode on your launcher as far as i know.
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Soufiansky said:
It is there if you use easy mode on your launcher as far as i know.
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Nope, there is a third option shown in the UX 5.0 video and confirmed by T-Mobile users
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk8Zs3Mlbcs
Look at 2:19

I only really play Clash of Clans as far as game intensive on my phone and it ran very smoothly for the little bit that I was on it. The camera is far superior to any phone I have had in the past and the quality is great. The option for the regular launcher with an app drawer does not exist on my device which is no problem since I do not like the launcher in general and the Google Now Launcher is far superior to LG's. The biggest problem I have started to see with the device now is the fact the battery is weak as can be. I'm not sure if there isn't enough data collected yet to give an accurate estimate on how long the battery will last. I took the first screenshot of the battery usage before I used any high usage applications and it already was showing that my phone would last an hour and 47 minutes when it was at 41%. I would add screenshots to this but, I don't have over 10 posts yet so that isn't possible so I sent them to @Soufiansky so he can post them instead.

CorruptProfile said:
I only really play Clash of Clans as far as game intensive on my phone and it ran very smoothly for the little bit that I was on it. The camera is far superior to any phone I have had in the past and the quality is great. The option for the regular launcher with an app drawer does not exist on my device which is no problem since I do not like the launcher in general and the Google Now Launcher is far superior to LG's. The biggest problem I have started to see with the device now is the fact the battery is weak as can be. I'm not sure if there isn't enough data collected yet to give an accurate estimate on how long the battery will last. I took the first screenshot of the battery usage before I used any high usage applications and it already was showing that my phone would last an hour and 47 minutes when it was at 41%. I would add screenshots to this but, I don't have over 10 posts yet so that isn't possible so I sent them to @Soufiansky so he can post them instead.
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Thank you again for the feedback , when i come back home i will post the links you send me in pm

Thanks to @CorruptProfile
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How's the phone size?
I'd be coming from the Nexus 6 which is like a phablet, so I want to know how it feels in the hand?

Mew351 said:
How's the phone size?
I'd be coming from the Nexus 6 which is like a phablet, so I want to know how it feels in the hand?
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It is 5.3" , way smaller than the huge Nexus 6.

Soufiansky said:
It is 5.3" , way smaller than the huge Nexus 6.
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I was going to get the S7 Edge but it's not rootable, so it is a huge deterrent for me

Mew351 said:
I was going to get the S7 Edge but it's not rootable, so it is a huge deterrent for me
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You can wait for the M10 , and for root it will come one day , patience
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You can wait for the M10 , and for root it will come one day , patience
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The M10 is waayyyyy too small for me ;/

Mew351 said:
How's the phone size?
I'd be coming from the Nexus 6 which is like a phablet, so I want to know how it feels in the hand?
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I came from the Nexus 6 as well and honestly I like the size of the G5 it is smaller but not too small in the hand where it feels like you are holding nothing.

Mew351 said:
The M10 is waayyyyy too small for me ;/
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Note 5 ? Nexus 6P ? We're going in an off topic here...
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CorruptProfile said:
I came from the Nexus 6 as well and honestly I like the size of the G5 it is smaller but not too small in the hand where it feels like you are holding nothing.
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What about the module thing ? I saw a lot of issues about it these days
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I don't own a module and I don't really see the purpose of owning one to be completely honest. It's basically just buying add-ons if you prefer having them or not. I enjoy having the naked look of a sleek looking phone without having a bunch of stuff all over it. It really comes down to the person if they want the parts or not and personally I don't the parts won't make the phone any worse and if the modules really just fail then it won't have any overall effect on the performance of the phone itself.

CorruptProfile said:
I don't own a module and I don't really see the purpose of owning one to be completely honest. It's basically just buying add-ons if you prefer having them or not. I enjoy having the naked look of a sleek looking phone without having a bunch of stuff all over it. It really comes down to the person if they want the parts or not and personally I don't the parts won't make the phone any worse and if the modules really just fail then it won't have any overall effect on the performance of the phone itself.
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No i was talking about the stock battery module , you haven't faced any issue ? Because some people were reporting bad screen colors reproduction next to the module , others said it started taking off....etc.
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