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Hi fellow Samsung Galaxy S owners,
I'm at the verge of buying my first Android phone now. However, I still have a few things to confirm.
I've ruled out Evo completely as it does not work in most part of the world, despite the gorgeous screen size that I absolutely would love. I want something that is at least four inch in screen size, gives me good visibility under bright sunlight, comes with at least 16 GB internal memory, front camera, and something that runs Froyo 2.2 ( in other word, the vendor must already have that ready for upgrade now).
Is Samsung Galaxy S the one?
It has everything u wanted apart from the 2.2 update which is expected to be released in ~4 months.
Thanks leoon,
Do we have any official statement yet from Samsung guaranteeing that they will release an update in 4 month's time?
The next question is, in the event that they abandon the phone and refuse to issue any upgrade, is there already a good cooked Froyo that I can use now?
I understand that there is a great performance improvement moving from 2.1 to 2.2, so am really keen to get on 2.2 ASAP.
It is confirmed officialy about korean version 2.2 so we can be sure about others also.
SGS is much faster than evo, I don't understand why you even consider about it.
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SGS is much faster than evo, I don't understand why you even consider about it.
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Maybe, if you are into 3d....
But in normal use, the EVO feels faster (I just played with one for a while last night).
The Evo exhibits no lag at all and feels peppier than my SGS.
Is SGS really faster than EVO? Any link that I can see the benchmark comparision?
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Is SGS really faster than EVO? Any link that I can see the benchmark comparision?
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the sgs is much stronger in graphics
cpu wise they are about the same, can't say how much the same cause i don't have one xD
but i'd rather have the hummingbird processor
+ this screen
Froyo (2.2) has already been announced for Asia. It will come in early August. Samsung said that International users will follow soon.
I chose SGS over Desire for its screen, better processor and GPU, better looks. I come from a series of iPhones (2g, 3g, 3gs) and I don't miss them at all.
SGS has some lags from time to time, but nothing really frustrating.
I use it all day and the only con is the battery duration. It needs recharging every single day (from 18-24 hours of usage).
One more thing that i don't like so much is the application for exchange email, but I'll look for a better one.
Other than that and of course the lack of paid applications due to my location (Greece), android and SGS fulfil my needs.
Why did I choose the SGS? (previous I had a Nexus One, previous to that iPhone 3G)
1. 4" screen
2. Better quality touchscreen than N1 (no axis swap bug)
3. PowerVR GPU
So, other than Nexus One, nobody has froyo 2.2 yet? I didn't want Nexus as the hardware is outdated by now, but its main attraction is the ability quickly keep up with Google's latest firmware.
BTW, to Dexter666, the key attraction of EVO to me was the 4.3 inch screen size. I was hoping that they have a GSM UTMS version. But since they only have CDMA version, the use is very limited, hence it's greatest weakness. It is not possible to use it even if we want to in Australia and most part of the world.
Also don't forget it has best video player compare to any other android handset as well as music player.
Support for almost all the native video codes, in DIVX & MKV up to 720P. No need to wait for any video player.
Music player with EQ. SRS WOW 5.1 through headset. Best screen to watch high quality videos.
Look at other forum section where owner of other (HTC) android handset always asking for good video player. I use to be among them once,
not any more though.
It hold batter 3G signals then my N1 and Desire and good battery life too
HD video
I was considering getting the desire but felt like it was a little old now and the new iphone 4 might have had to be my option though I so didnt want to go there! Then the SGS came out in the UK just last week and it had HD video capture an excellent screen and 2.1 so I was so there, had it for 5 days now and it has to be said it is one massive jump from what I had with the G1. The video capture might be the best in the mobile space! I compared it with my mates iphone 4 and the audio is crap on his in comparison... basically he is a massive apple fan boy but was looking at this phone with real envy as the screen did look better on a quick comparison!
couple of bugs with the clock, and browser but im confident that these are just teething issues with my hand set as I dont see many people talking about it on the net (yet)
I always had Samsung phones before and my Omnia i900 with WM had to be replaced. I went for the specs (the speed/sound/screen) and the look (and no I'm no iphone fan, just incase ) Never had experience with android but I must say I made a good chooise.
eaglesteve said:
Is SGS really faster than EVO? Any link that I can see the benchmark comparision?
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Power of Searching button @ youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilx_cpGZczM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ6i1RAJwD4
and mine is actualy a little faster.
Since your from Australia, the Optus plans for this phone are dirt cheap consider what you get. You pay what, $800 give or take online for the 8gb model, $850 or so for the 16gb (used to be a lil more pricy, add $50 or so) when you buy outright. Great caps, coverage is okay and decent data. Phone is fast, customizable and fun to play with. Typing is also really easy and the screen has awesome quality. Loving Vilingo for when I drive.
It was a pleasant change from Windows Mobile.
Edit: I also have to say, I ordered this phone online and got it within a day or two (ordered Monday night, received it early Wednesday morning). Optus staff are great and very helpful. Had to transfer my number and I got a very nice lady to sort out my issue within a few minutes. Very happy with this phone. Touchwiz UI is good but I did change mine.
Was going to get the HTC Desire, but it was not available anywhere. So I ended up getting the Galaxy S instead, just waiting for the delivery to arrive.
why sgs?
android, super amoled, touchscreen quality, 1ghz, gpu, microsdhc, presumably good coverage in these forums
disclaimer: not all of those might be unique to this device
All of you have posted some good points. To summarise, among the current top end Android phones
- best screen especially under bright sun
- best video recording sounds, in HD.
- best GPU
- best video and music player
- better touch screen than all HTC phones (but is it true multitouch like in iPhone?)
- one of the few Android phones with front cameras
I understand it does not have flash for the camera, right? This is one of the negatives, but in view of the other positives, I'm prepared to overlook this.
Another few questions outside this topic:
1) Is there any FREE software to sync my outlook contacts and calendar to Samsung Galaxy S?
2) Is there any FREE software to sync my musics, videos, podcast from iTune to Samsung Galaxy S, maintaining the playlist, ratings, and album artwork?
3) Can I get TomTom or Navigon Australia for Android yet?
miker71 said:
Why did I choose the SGS? (previous I had a Nexus One, previous to that iPhone 3G)
1. 4" screen
2. Better quality touchscreen than N1 (no axis swap bug)
3. PowerVR GPU
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+1 for why I choose the phone,
but I should also have check the software..... and as per now, it lack some feature that shoucd be std (ie proper contact synchronization, repeated lag, erratic GPS positioning) I could understand if it was samsung's first android phone, but it's not the case AFAIK
I thought all android are equal: we are not there yet....
The UMTS/GSM version of EVO should be HD2. But it's on WM6.5...
As the title suggests... what will you do?
I want the Titan very much but will hold on and use my Mango HD2 for just a little longer.
Maybe next year. Will wait for all the mango handsets to come. Waiting for Nokia to reveal its phones. Nokia is supposed to have better lens.. Carl Zeiss?? All else being same, a better optics will clinch the deal, I suppose. Waiting for Nokia phones..
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I was tempted but im a bit disapointed that we are only getting the 205 gpu, essentially we are only getting a 500mhz speed bump an a slightly bigger battery. Think I'll wait tbh, im more than happy with the hd2 an wp7, at the very least I may wait until the price drops. Full price for a slightly bigger screen, battery an a 500mhz speed bump, isn't worth it in my opinion
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Seriusly? I don,t know why spend 500 bucks to buy a phone with a little more spec hd2. HD2 is thé kind, si the next prototype in sell from HTC comes in 2020...
I want a device where I can't see the pixels, like on the Iphone. Meaning I'll have to wait for new chassis specs from MS. Also I've often been impressed with the build quality and battery life on Nokia phones, so when I do get a new phone it'll prolly be a Nokia.
I'd expect a s3 snapdragon with a Adreno 220 gpu, not second gen s2 stuff, I mean s4 snapdragons will be out very soon, so effectively the titan will be 2 generations old by time its released! Seems daft if you ask me, perhaps the listed spec is wrong but several sites say its deffiniely an s2
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I was going to get one till i saw its 840x480 still on a bigger screen i mean wtf lol and 1 upgrade from the crap gpu thats in my hd2 right now and all for £500 probly here sim free in the uk. No thanks
Im waiting on a phone from htc thats got dule core cpu a good gpu and higher rez screen then i will be willing to spend £500 on a windows phone until that day i will stick with my hd2. i just hope one day someone comes along and fixes the bug with the battery drain
i think im sticking with my hd2 seeing as my contact doesnt end till april, but hopefully by then i will be able to get a dual core with 1080p video
dont expect too much from Nokia Carl Zeiss
Hey man, I've had Nokia N73 N95 and Nokia N95 8Gb, and let me tell you that I love by far the pictures taken with our HTC HD2 with Windows 6.5 with WP7 still being not so good you know... but really the Carl Zeiss lens in Nokia NSeries isn't so good as marketing says .... lets wait for new models with WP7 but I really think that HTC is a better brand ....
I have my HTC HD2 now for 2 year and the material that is made is really fantastic, until now the metal still being like new from factory the display the same... maybe some scratches after 2 years on buttons... and the experience with Nokia mobile phones is really the opposite, I had this Nokia N95 two years and the battery is fat you now like blowed not working anymore, needed to buy new one and the cases are like chinnesse plastic soo BAD !!! I needed to change my cases 2 times in 2 years .... soooo really HTC has shown soo good battery life itself and so good cases life.....sooo In my opinion I wont change to any other brand HTC !for me until now has been almost the perfect mobile phone
Grettings .....
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Maybe next year. Will wait for all the mango handsets to come. Waiting for Nokia to reveal its phones. Nokia is supposed to have better lens.. Carl Zeiss?? All else being same, a better optics will clinch the deal, I suppose. Waiting for Nokia phones..
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Hey man, I've had Nokia N73 N95 and Nokia N95 8Gb, and let me tell you that I love by far the pictures taken with our HTC HD2 with Windows 6.5 with WP7 still being not so good you know... but really the Carl Zeiss lens in Nokia NSeries isn't so good as marketing says .... lets wait for new models with WP7 but I really think that HTC is a better brand ....
I have my HTC HD2 now for 2 year and the material that is made is really fantastic, until now the metal still being like new from factory the display the same... maybe some scratches after 2 years on buttons... and the experience with Nokia mobile phones is really the opposite, I had this Nokia N95 two years and the battery is fat you now like blowed not working anymore, needed to buy new one and the cases are like chinnesse plastic soo BAD !!! I needed to change my cases 2 times in 2 years .... soooo really HTC has shown soo good battery life itself and so good cases life.....sooo In my opinion I wont change to any other brand HTC !for me until now has been almost the perfect mobile phone
Grettings .....
Very interetsted in the Titan, like the idea of 1.5GHz CPU and bigger screen. Also native WP7 support would be good. Not sure about soft buttons though, heard bad things about them.
Definitely interested to see what Nokia can do. My first smartphone was a Nokia 9110 back in 1998. Would love to see a modern day offering from Nokia - they've done some great hardware.
But do we really need a dual core CPU which will just eat into battery life? Surely a 1ghz processor is more than enough to run WP7 (HD2 is proof) so a 1.5Ghz single core is more than plenty. Also again surely 480x800 is plenty (HD2 is proof) and YouTube reviewers of Titan said you can't see pixels on the 4.7" display. We don't need to be able to play 720p videos on our screens as the resolution is only WVGA remember.
So, I think the Titan is a great upgrade. Bigger screen, thinner, faster, WiFi tethering, better camera, front facing camera, better sound (5.1) etc.
I paid £500 for my sim free HD2 on launch date. I am tempted to sell it and put money towards Titan.
The only thing I dislike about the Titan is the double edge bezel design above the screen. Its horrible and does not match the bottom of the phone and thus spoils
the look.
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But do we really need a dual core CPU which will just eat into battery life? Surely a 1ghz processor is more than enough to run WP7 (HD2 is proof) so a 1.5Ghz single core is more than plenty. Also again surely 480x800 is plenty (HD2 is proof) and YouTube reviewers of Titan said you can't see pixels on the 4.7" display. We don't need to be able to play 720p videos on our screens as the resolution is only WVGA remember.
So, I think the Titan is a great upgrade. Bigger screen, thinner, faster, WiFi tethering, better camera, front facing camera, better sound (5.1) etc.
I paid £500 for my sim free HD2 on launch date. I am tempted to sell it and put money towards Titan.
The only thing I dislike about the Titan is the double edge bezel design above the screen. Its horrible and does not match the bottom of the phone and thus spoils
the look.
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Bigger screen isnt better, its larger, and may suite some folk an not others, i wouldnt shell out 500 on half an inch
Your right about the dual core, we dont even know how WP could deal with such a thing, but what is missing from the S2 Snapdragons is the GPU/memory the Adreno 220 is between 100% to 400% faster than the S2 Adreno 205 which is slightly faster than the Adreno 200 we have, there is also the memory and power consumption improvments.
Shelling out 500 on a device that is 2 generations obsolete before it even hits the shelves (S4 on its way which also comes in single, dual and quad core an over x16 improvment in speed over our HD2 and significant battery drainage reduction) sounds more like HTC trying to clear Snapdragon S2 stock rather than provide us with a new device, we would be getting a minimal improvment over the HD2.
Its like me trying to sell you today a 3GHz Intel Prescott CPU for the full ~£300 it cost AS NEW ~6/7 years ago, "But its new, its never been used before so why wouldnt you pay that price? it is after all faster than a ATOM CPU?"
Where did you get this 5.1 sound business? i didnt see HDMI output on the spec, just curious,
Its 1.1mm thiner, 10mm Longer and 3.6 mm wider and a few grams heaver, 1.1mm thiner isnt much to shell out 500 quid on
Some good valid points. As for the 5.1 reference, this is taken straight from HTC's site.
Multimedia
See photos from your camera, Facebook and Windows Live™ accounts in the Pictures hub
Music and Videos Hub powered by Zune lets you listen to radio, download music, and more
SRS enhancement
5.1 surround sound for video
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Also again surely 480x800 is plenty (HD2 is proof) and YouTube reviewers of Titan said you can't see pixels on the 4.7" display. We don't need to be able to play 720p videos on our screens as the resolution is only WVGA remember.
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I don't believe that. I can clearly see the pixels on my HD2, so why wouldn't I be able to see them on a device with an even lower PPI?
EDIT: Also, I actually don't think it's dual core.
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Some good valid points. As for the 5.1 reference, this is taken straight from HTC's site.
Multimedia
See photos from your camera, Facebook and Windows Live™ accounts in the Pictures hub
Music and Videos Hub powered by Zune lets you listen to radio, download music, and more
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5.1 surround sound for video
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curious, as far as i am aware Bluetooth doesnt transmit 5.1, a 3.5mm Jack sure as hell cant, perhaps there is some sort of USB pass through
I wonder what exactly they mean.
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I don't believe that. I can clearly see the pixels on my HD2, so why wouldn't I be able to see them on a device with an even lower PPI?
EDIT: Also, I actually don't think it's dual core.
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Hmm, im not sure, as far as i know The world of PPI,DPI Dot Pitch can get quite confusing, especially without all the facts.
by having a set resolution over a larger screen would decrease the outputed PPI
however the screen may have a significantly higher DPI and with some clever use of interpolation and Dithering may "hide" that, it also depends on distance from the screen, generally speaking the larger the screen the further away you are from it, if i get close enough to a Iphone 4 i will see them. if i hold an iphone at arms length you will not beable to see the difference between an HD2 and iPhone. Theres lots of variables including your own eyes so dont count it out until you see it.
Sure, HTC may be using some kind of tricks to mask the low DPI of the Titan. But I haven't seen the device IRL so I wouldn't know about that.
No-one holds the device an arm's length away, though. Hold an Iphone and an HD2 at a comfortable distance, and the difference in PPI will be very visible, assuming you have average eyesight.
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exactly what he said. No need for swap yet...
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Sure, HTC may be using some kind of tricks to mask the low DPI of the Titan. But I haven't seen the device IRL so I wouldn't know about that.
No-one holds the device an arm's length away, though. Hold an Iphone and an HD2 at a comfortable distance, and the difference in PPI will be very visible, assuming you have average eyesight.
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well i have certified perfect eye sight i can cant see a difference at a comfortable distance, most people hold phones and books far too close to their eyes and do not even know it, it places a lot of strain on them which isnt good for you.
what i can see is that on SOME specific types of pictures it does display colour banding.
Go sit 6 inches from your TV screen and see how long you can last before you get a headache
anyhow, point is, the PPI on the device is a mute point until you can actually see it. Still wouldnt consider getting it as new just yet, not worth the cash for a small upgrade, and i think the half inch extra screen is a waste too, HD2 is plenty large enough.
Now we know of HTC's lineup which handset appeals to you?
Lumia 920. As a photographer, I don't think you can beat the camera on the Nokia (judging from the samples shot from the Lumia)
Lumia 920.
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8X because of the screen size, and it might be the only one on my carrier. If the lumia ends up on my carrier it will be a harder decision.
Lumia 920
better screen by a long way
Better camera by a long way
Wireless charging - hope to see car mount with this making a great sat nah
More storage - 16gb of 8x is pathetic fir a flagship esp when the 8s has SD
Nokia apps - esp camera features
Gloves on use - not needed for me but pretty cool
Better battery
Yeah the 8x has beats but that's ruined by 16gb and what else? being .5 mm thinner isn't enough to win it back.
wait. ..for lumia 1000
I voted Lumia 920
If Lumia comes out on my carrier (sales person in Vodafone UK store basically said it wont be coming to them, but Phones4U UK should get it)
If not then HTC 8x
OP, you may want to add "not sure yet" to the voting choices.
I don’t know…….. The Ativ has the largest display and appears to have the best specs. The “big 3” all seem to have the same CPU.
I’m partial to HTC devices and I’ve been very happy with my HTC Titan. I may have been spoiled, but I now believe that a 4.7 inch display is probably a minimum perfect size. When we first heard rumors of the new HTC WP8 devices there were to have been three of them, with the “Flagship Device” having a 4.7 inch display. I’m not interested in going smaller, and I assume other Titan users have similar thoughts.
Also, what happened to the hype over WP8 devices having Nokia Maps? Do these new devices even have the new app? There seems to be no mention of it now.
I’m afraid I’m in wait-and-see mode, leaning slightly towards the ATIV for display size.
Where are you HTC? Where’s my big-screen Titan replacement?
For anybody that still isn't decided, WPCentral put together a comparison chart on the different 'Hero' phones. Honestly, after looking at it I may find myself with the Ativ.
6 months ago .....if the boot loader was unlocked, and the drivers open sourced, the 920 that is awesome hardware, from the screen, to CPU, to graphics, to camera.
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OP, you may want to add "not sure yet" to the voting choices.
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i dont think i can add to the poll when it is live.
Nokia or HTC for me. Who ever offers a combo deal of Surface and Phone first will get my money.
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None, because none will be available to Sprint. Even more, on Sprint, I'll have to pay the same monthly rate for any WP8 to iPhone 5, so...
unless the HTC one has no LTE
I not convinced we’ve seen HTC’s “flagship”.
Probably the most significant single attribute that any manufacturer has used to one-up the iPhone has been display size.
All of the HTC rumors prior to this week’s announcement revolved around the introduction of three new WP8 devices, one of which was to have had a 4.7 inch display.
There are way too many Titan and One X users that are not likely to be cool with a smaller display – not even .2 inches smaller. Thanks to Titan and One X, 4.7 inches is the new minimum.
I really hope to see something bigger and better from HTC soon.
Q: Do the HTC and Samsung devices come with Nokia Maps?
Q: Is the big battery in the ATIV removable?
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I not convinced we’ve seen HTC’s “flagship”.
Probably the most significant single attribute that any manufacturer has used to one-up the iPhone has been display size.
All of the HTC rumors prior to this week’s announcement revolved around the introduction of three new WP8 devices, one of which was to have had a 4.7 inch display.
There are way too many Titan and One X users that are not likely to be cool with a smaller display – not even .2 inches smaller. Thanks to Titan and One X, 4.7 inches is the new minimum.
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While I like your reasoning, I can't help but notice that they called it the 8X. The X has been their "top of the line" brand, and while I suppose it's not impossible for them to introduce something like the 8X+, it sounds like they aren't really planning for it.
Samsung announced a new LPDDR3 which should be in phones next year. More storage less power consumption and faster!
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While I like your reasoning, I can't help but notice that they called it the 8X. The X has been their "top of the line" brand, and while I suppose it's not impossible for them to introduce something like the 8X+, it sounds like they aren't really planning for it.
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Good point. I hadn't put the "X" thing together.
I'm really expecting more from HTC.
Thanks!
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wait. ..for lumia 1000
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I'll buy the 920 at the day of the release, but I really like to see Nokia pulling out all the stops - 41mp Pure View, 4.8" edge to edge screen, quad-core Krait, 3,300 mAh battery. I'd buy that monster in a heartbeat.
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I'll buy the 920 at the day of the release, but I really like to see Nokia pulling out all the stops - 41mp Pure View, 4.8" edge to edge screen, quad-core Krait, 3,300 mAh battery. I'd buy that monster in a heartbeat.
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Quad core is just not needed for this OS. It would be more of a battery drainer if anything. Am so glad they have only put two core CPUs.
I like the Nokia 920 the most out of all that we have seen so far.
The ativ s also looks good. I like the HTC designs but I'm not so sure about HTC devices anymore. They seem to always suffer from some sort of build quality issue.
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Alright, we all know what the drill is. i dropped my TITAN II and now i can't wait to get a replacement for it. I have been buying the flagship device of each wave of Windows Phone from HTC so i think i can try something new as well.
I know you probably thinking "This is another bullsh!t thread that as for the opinion and will end between a post or 2" , but please help me out here.
Coming down to the 920 vs 8X, a lot of poles has been made and look like the flavor goes to the 920. But i think i should take it from my own opinion, not just critic and others people thoughts.
1. Carrier : Not a big deal, i am on AT&T , GoPhone service to be specific, but i do travel international sometime. 8X get a little advantage here , but it is not hard to get an unlocked code for the Lumia either.
2. Storage: Personally, 16GB is enough for me, 32GB is nice but not a MUST.
3. Color : I don't give a sh!t, flat black is what i am getting either one of them.
4. Screen Size : A mix. I started with the HD2 4.3", and HD7 with 4.3" as well before i went full 2 years with 4.7" (HTC TITAN and TITAN II). 4.5 might be a smaller drop from 4.7" but 4.3 is not too bad either.
5. Camera : I am no photographer but sometime do demand some nice and clean shots. There are a lot of mixed review for the PureView Technology on the Lumia , as well as a lot of review said the 8X Camera is somewhat equal or worse than the One X. <= I don't really know, you guys help me here.
6. Battery : Both Non-Removable (Pain in the ass for sure), the Lumia is slightly higher but the usage is kind of the same as the 8X according to some reviews (due to the larger screen).
7. Performance : Both phones are matched...
8. Audio performance: *In the Dust*, i don't trust whatever Beats made and i am questioning the Dolby effect from Nokia too. I own myself a pretty good earbuds as well as some decent headphones.
9. Support: Unclear. Microsoft has been revealed about the way they update the phone is OTA (over-the-air), suspecting to by-pass carrier testing (which takes forever). if not, the World Version of 8X wins hand down.
10. Price : The No-Contract AT&T Locked Lumia stock at $450, the World-Unlocked version can rank up to $800, which not reasonable. the World Version of 8X is around $550-$600 right now, which is affordable for me.
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11. History: The history really back HTC up for me. Although they said Windows Phone 8 won't even have a chance to have Custom ROM but who knows? Unless i hear it myself from the DFT. And the history of World Phone HTC really back the opinion up. HTC phones usually get the Custom ROM/ HSPL first.
They seem to be so evenly matched to me. Lose some and win some at both phones. Please let me know your opinion. Thanks.
For the Camera - it will depend on the situations in which you mainly take photos. For me it is quite often at parties or otherwise in the evenings which IS a situation in which the PureView actually performs better then anything else out there at the moment. If it's mainly well lit shots at least until Nokia tweaks the software it seems we'll see pretty similar performance.
For Sound we have not really seen any measurements of the devices yet but given that Dolby and Beats are on board I believe it should be safe to assume that both devices should at least offer decent quality with optimizations turned off (I tend to believe that's the way to listen to music the way the artists intended because that is why they recorded it that way).
On Support I actually disagree with you - Nokia has been a lot more active when it comes to Firmware Updates and additionally has continuously worked on getting exclusive Apps and other improvements to their phones. I don't see that changing anytime soon. Even if the current Apps don't offer you an advantage yet the next one might - meanwhile we've seen HTC not doing much in that regard.
Weight has been mentioned by some as a criterion to decide between the 8X and the 920 - it might be an issue for you but the additional 20 g over the Titan 1 don't strike me as that big a problem.
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For the Camera - it will depend on the situations in which you mainly take photos. For me it is quite often at parties or otherwise in the evenings which IS a situation in which the PureView actually performs better then anything else out there at the moment. If it's mainly well lit shots at least until Nokia tweaks the software it seems we'll see pretty similar performance.
For Sound we have not really seen any measurements of the devices yet but given that Dolby and Beats are on board I believe it should be safe to assume that both devices should at least offer decent quality with optimizations turned off (I tend to believe that's the way to listen to music the way the artists intended because that is why they recorded it that way).
On Support I actually disagree with you - Nokia has been a lot more active when it comes to Firmware Updates and additionally has continuously worked on getting exclusive Apps and other improvements to their phones. I don't see that changing anytime soon. Even if the current Apps don't offer you an advantage yet the next one might - meanwhile we've seen HTC not doing much in that regard.
Weight has been mentioned by some as a criterion to decide between the 8X and the 920 - it might be an issue for you but the additional 20 g over the Titan 1 don't strike me as that big a problem.
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On the support side, i was mentioning about the Firmware Update (not necessary apps from the OEM). Do they push that without confirmation/testing from AT&T?
HTC also rolls out like almost monthly firmware and ROM upgrade when i still got my World TITAN, but that does not apply with the AT&T version.
I have the HTC and I love it. I've heard from someone who owned both Nokia and HTC (someone at MS) He said he liked the Nokia as a daily driver because of the bigger screen and said that it had better battery life, but liked to use the HTC whenever he went for a run or something of that nature because of it being so slim and light.
-HTC has a lower screen resolution but a higher PPI
-Nokia has a MUCH nicer main camera IMO, however the wide angle front facing on the HTC is really nice as well.
-HTC told me that the 8X would be just as loud as the Surround that I had before, however I didn't really find this to be true, the built in speakers are definitely good enough though. I haven't done a sound test on a Nokia.
I did get an OTA update already however it was really small 1MB<. Someone from Microsoft was telling me that they will have a program that will allow you to receive updates directly from them (kinda like the Nexus) but I wasn't clear on when that was happening (or if it had already happened)
If I had a choice between the two (The 8X was given to me) I would have gotten the Nokia.
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I have the HTC and I love it. I've heard from someone who owned both Nokia and HTC (someone at MS) He said he liked the Nokia as a daily driver because of the bigger screen and said that it had better battery life, but liked to use the HTC whenever he went for a run or something of that nature because of it being so slim and light.
-HTC has a lower screen resolution but a higher PPI
-Nokia has a MUCH nicer main camera IMO, however the wide angle front facing on the HTC is really nice as well.
-HTC told me that the 8X would be just as loud as the Surround that I had before, however I didn't really find this to be true, the built in speakers are definitely good enough though. I haven't done a sound test on a Nokia.
I did get an OTA update already however it was really small 1MB<. Someone from Microsoft was telling me that they will have a program that will allow you to receive updates directly from them (kinda like the Nexus) but I wasn't clear on when that was happening (or if it had already happened)
If I had a choice between the two (The 8X was given to me) I would have gotten the Nokia.
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Thanks for the reply!
- Do you have more info about the OTA Update for the phone? Are you using the 8X AT&T Version or the World Unlocked Version? Thanks!
PS: it is just still my main concern about the update progress. I have own both AT&T HTC TITAN and TITAN II and i know AT&T is an a$$hole in pushing the update out for the device. It is a deal-breaker for me as a power user and a dev also.
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PS: it is just still my main concern about the update progress. I have own both AT&T HTC TITAN and TITAN II and i know AT&T is an a$$hole in pushing the update out for the device. It is a deal-breaker for me as a power user and a dev also.
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Well Microsoft did say there would be an "enthusiast program", essentially a way for someone who wants updates as soon as possible, to get them, regardless of carrier/phone. Of course until more details about this program are given, we have no idea if it supports all phones or carriers or what restrictions or what not, but I'm inclined to believe that this program should help solve the "where is my update?" issue.
Otherwise, I still think the Lumia 920 is the better choice overall. They are both great phones, but the Lumia 920 just has more going for it, not to mention Nokia's undying support of Windows Phone and their devices. In the short time they've been with Windows phone, they've impressed me with their support and dedication to the platform, more so than HTC has in the past 10-or-so years.
I'll tell ya how the 920 is when I get it today~
Go with the 920!!!
Better camera, better wireless charging, better quality ( NOKIAS are like a Tonka ), more memory and exclusive APPS AND GPS.
My HTC 8x is att branded but it came unlocked so Im not sure where it will be pulling its updates from.
If build quality is a concern, I dropped my htc last night and the screen cracked. It wasn't a big fall either (was laying in my lap and I got up so it fell). Fortunately for me however Im getting it fixed through HTC for free
Hopefully the enthusiast program will be coming out shortly, I really wished I had asked for a time table when the guy was talking to me about that.
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My HTC 8x is att branded but it came unlocked so Im not sure where it will be pulling its updates from.
If build quality is a concern, I dropped my htc last night and the screen cracked. It wasn't a big fall either (was laying in my lap and I got up so it fell). Fortunately for me however Im getting it fixed through HTC for free
Hopefully the enthusiast program will be coming out shortly, I really wished I had asked for a time table when the guy was talking to me about that.
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really? i don't even remember we covered Accidental Damage for the phone. So you dropped your 8X and you got a crack on your screen? Or completely shattered?
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really? i don't even remember we covered Accidental Damage for the phone. So you dropped your 8X and you got a crack on your screen? Or completely shattered?
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I don't think they usually do it, but because I technically had a "review" unit I talked my way through it. lol
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I don't think they usually do it, but because I technically had a "review" unit I talked my way through it. lol
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LOL.
Well, my bro prjkthack just got the 920, i am going to wait for the "go" code from him...
it has been a minus from the 8X for me because i actually saw a review from Engadget today and see the 8X is much more smaller than the TITAN II, much smaller than i thought and i also notice that the bezel on the top of the phone is a lot more than i expected...
Unless i can hand it somewhere for myself, i will have to pass HTC Flagship this wave. The HTC Zenith has been DOA for this wave...
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LOL.
Well, my bro prjkthack just got the 920, i am going to wait for the "go" code from him...
it has been a minus from the 8X for me because i actually saw a review from Engadget today and see the 8X is much more smaller than the TITAN II, much smaller than i thought and i also notice that the bezel on the top of the phone is a lot more than i expected...
Unless i can hand it somewhere for myself, i will have to pass HTC Flagship this wave. The HTC Zenith has been DOA for this wave...
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Yeah that's a good idea. Everything is going to be much small than the Titan lol. If it were me I'd go with the Nokia too, so good choice.
I'd pick the lumia 920. Only be wise if you're goma use your camera alot, especially at night, the 920 will win there in low lighting. Plus you get double the storage at a cheaper price point. The weight isn't as bad as people have made it seem and the Nokia screen is better for watching videos on. It is sharper than the Titan2's screen, and you know personally how good that screen is...
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Thanks guys.
I snatched a 920 today, AT&T version, little bit high off bore for the Without contract, from AT&T, Cyan.
To be exactly, this would be my first time using a flag-ship not from HTC for Windows Phone series... let's see how it goes...
I will wait and see what would HTC bring to the table with the HTC Zenith for the 2nd Wave...
But look like i change phone yearly, lol.
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Thanks guys.
I snatched a 920 today, AT&T version, little bit high off bore for the Without contract, from AT&T, Cyan.
To be exactly, this would be my first time using a flag-ship not from HTC for Windows Phone series... let's see how it goes...
I will wait and see what would HTC bring to the table with the HTC Zenith for the 2nd Wave...
But look like i change phone yearly, lol.
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Good call. Enjoy the 920. Especially when Nokia releases that software tweak to improve the camera in daylight conditions. I am a big HTC fan and it does take some time to get used to a non HTC WP flagship, but as it stands, the 920 is the most premium mix of tech out for gen 1 WP 8.
I think HTC did the right thing by holding off a big screen WP 8. They need a quad core monster in WP 8 to sell. Hopefully it will come out with the Adreno 320 GPU. That would be a killer device in WP for 2013, especially with a 4.7" screen...
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Good call. Enjoy the 920. Especially when Nokia releases that software tweak to improve the camera in daylight conditions. I am a big HTC fan and it does take some time to get used to a non HTC WP flagship, but as it stands, the 920 is the most premium mix of tech out for gen 1 WP 8.
I think HTC did the right thing by holding off a big screen WP 8. They need a quad core monster in WP 8 to sell. Hopefully it will come out with the Adreno 320 GPU. That would be a killer device in WP for 2013, especially with a 4.7" screen...
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Haha, sure man. I will do a review as i used to do with the TITAN vs the HD7. HTC sure as hell did a right thing with the HTC TITAN (4.7 inch + metal body), they need to keep doing that.
I have been teased from the boys on the Design Department that they are working on some sort of "TITAN III" , although i am not allowed to dig deeper on that. I have been waiting for that but seem it is DOA for the 1st Wave, and i believe the 2nd Wave won't hit until next holiday season, so i think i will bite the bullet and take Nokia for a ride.
Basically, sure the Software on both Device gonna be awesome, the main concern is how the Nokia behave, which i don't have any clue yet. But time will tell.
Thanks for the advice. :good:
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Haha, sure man. I will do a review as i used to do with the TITAN vs the HD7. HTC sure as hell did a right thing with the HTC TITAN (4.7 inch + metal body), they need to keep doing that.
I have been teased from the boys on the Design Department that they are working on some sort of "TITAN III" , although i am not allowed to dig deeper on that. I have been waiting for that but seem it is DOA for the 1st Wave, and i believe the 2nd Wave won't hit until next holiday season, so i think i will bite the bullet and take Nokia for a ride.
Basically, sure the Software on both Device gonna be awesome, the main concern is how the Nokia behave, which i don't have any clue yet. But time will tell.
Thanks for the advice. :good:
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Cannot wait for that review. I picked up a Titan for repairs for a friend as a favor and just may end up sending him my Focus S instead and keeping the Titan as a spare.... I too am looking to jump on the Lumia bandwagon, but will go with the 810 since I'm in T.Mobile. Rest assurance if HTC puts out a nicely designed quad core 4.7"+ monster with WP8 in Gen 2, I will switch back...
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There is only one small problem. The 920 now using the microsim card. Can i trust the microsim cutter on ebay/amazon? Any suggestion?
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There is only one small problem. The 920 now using the microsim card. Can i trust the microsim cutter on ebay/amazon? Any suggestion?
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Did they give you a sim card in the box? If they did I'd just have them activate that card and then you just get an adapter to use in any spare phones using regular SIM...
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as i thought, HTC always leaves a back door for hackers to do such thing :|
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1966327
I am on GoPhone service, so i will have to keep my sim... No way to transfer it
Although my eye is on the 1020, its July and other than the 925 and 1020 Lumias there isn't any other new wp8 hardware being announced, HTC has been particularly quiet, I am satisfied (and I use that term loosely) with my ativ s but am bored and have no other new coming hardware to research over or dream about SIGHS
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There was an unofficial announcement / leaked certification documents and photos / whatever about a new ATIV phone from Samsung... frankly though, I'm not sure that I can trust them to support these phones properly. My ATIV S definitely has firmware issues, and they've gone unpatched for over seven months now...
I would like to see more hardware from HTC, and ideally see LG get back into the game and possibly even Sony/Ericsson (not that I'd buy anything SOny, mind you, but competition is good). Motorola is basically a zero-chance, but there could still be a pretty good ecosystem without them.
Sigh as good as the ATIV S is, the lack of support really bites, but I am getting a lot of use with the removable battery and expandable storage, I am eyeing the 1020 but an international version so that I can continue with my unlimited data plan with at&t, I briefly had an unlocked HTC radar and they detected that as a smart phone after several months I was shocked! I do want a Nokia but are they ever going to release a premium phone with a larger than 4.5" screen removable battery and expandable storage? Come on already Nokia!
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here you go: http://www.zdnet.com/sprint-announc...tiv-s-neo-windows-phone-8-devices-7000017332/
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here you go: http://www.zdnet.com/sprint-announc...tiv-s-neo-windows-phone-8-devices-7000017332/
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Those two phones are really lackluster compared to what nokia brings to the table...
Lumia 820 blows them both out of the water...
@mcosmin222: Yeah, a 4.3" 800x480 screen totally "blows them both out of the water"... WHAT?!? Not even close. Don't get me wrong, aside from that (relatively) POS of a screen, the 820 is a good phone, but that display is damn-near minimum spec for WP7, never mind WP8. Its battery is also substantially smaller than that of the ATIV S and non-removable (wireless charging is a nice perk even if you have to pay extra for it, but when I'm home I plug my phone in all the time anyhow; it's faster anyhow).
I'm not quite sure where the ZDNet author gets "mid-range" and not a "flagship" out of those models... the 8X was the flagship WP8 device at its reveal, and the 8XT looks to be mostly an upgrade on that, while on many specs the ATIV S (including "Neo") is *still* the best-specced model: largest display, most storage (16GB + uSDXC vs. 8GB + uSDXC for the 820), largest battery (2300mAh, and yet it's both replaceable and in one of the thinnest WP8 models), 1.9MPx front-facing camera (Nokia does better rear cameras, but their front ones are an afterthought). I'll grant that these phones seem to have their clock speed slightly stepped down, and the 1020 pushed the bar for RAM (not that WP8 has a huge use for excess RAM...), but these are still decidedly high-end phones and if they don't count as "flagship" tier then nothing except the 1020 does.
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@mcosmin222: Yeah, a 4.3" 800x480 screen totally "blows them both out of the water"... WHAT?!? Not even close. Don't get me wrong, aside from that (relatively) POS of a screen, the 820 is a good phone, but that display is damn-near minimum spec for WP7, never mind WP8. Its battery is also substantially smaller than that of the ATIV S and non-removable (wireless charging is a nice perk even if you have to pay extra for it, but when I'm home I plug my phone in all the time anyhow; it's faster anyhow).
I'm not quite sure where the ZDNet author gets "mid-range" and not a "flagship" out of those models... the 8X was the flagship WP8 device at its reveal, and the 8XT looks to be mostly an upgrade on that, while on many specs the ATIV S (including "Neo") is *still* the best-specced model: largest display, most storage (16GB + uSDXC vs. 8GB + uSDXC for the 820), largest battery (2300mAh, and yet it's both replaceable and in one of the thinnest WP8 models), 1.9MPx front-facing camera (Nokia does better rear cameras, but their front ones are an afterthought). I'll grant that these phones seem to have their clock speed slightly stepped down, and the 1020 pushed the bar for RAM (not that WP8 has a huge use for excess RAM...), but these are still decidedly high-end phones and if they don't count as "flagship" tier then nothing except the 1020 does.
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Well, I wouldn't consider the Lumia 928 to be flagship either. The phone's screen is quite nice, but the storage is only 32GBs with only 20GBs usable, the battery is 2000 mAh with wireless charging (who is going to pay ~$80 USD for a wireless charging pad or $140? for the JBL speaker with wireless charging?) that isn't interchangeable, the cameras are quite exceptional (without looking at the 1020 being AT&T exclusive) and what exactly needs the extra ram? I haven't used any apps that have seemingly taken a long time to process or seem to stutter onscreen.
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@mcosmin222: Yeah, a 4.3" 800x480 screen totally "blows them both out of the water"... WHAT?!? Not even close. Don't get me wrong, aside from that (relatively) POS of a screen, the 820 is a good phone, but that display is damn-near minimum spec for WP7, never mind WP8. Its battery is also substantially smaller than that of the ATIV S and non-removable (wireless charging is a nice perk even if you have to pay extra for it, but when I'm home I plug my phone in all the time anyhow; it's faster anyhow).
I'm not quite sure where the ZDNet author gets "mid-range" and not a "flagship" out of those models... the 8X was the flagship WP8 device at its reveal, and the 8XT looks to be mostly an upgrade on that, while on many specs the ATIV S (including "Neo") is *still* the best-specced model: largest display, most storage (16GB + uSDXC vs. 8GB + uSDXC for the 820), largest battery (2300mAh, and yet it's both replaceable and in one of the thinnest WP8 models), 1.9MPx front-facing camera (Nokia does better rear cameras, but their front ones are an afterthought). I'll grant that these phones seem to have their clock speed slightly stepped down, and the 1020 pushed the bar for RAM (not that WP8 has a huge use for excess RAM...), but these are still decidedly high-end phones and if they don't count as "flagship" tier then nothing except the 1020 does.
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HTC 8XT has a dual core 1.4Ghz (compared to 1.5 from HTC 8x), has the same 480x800 resolution as lumia 820. The only upgrade it brings over htc 8x is the SD card slot.
HTX 8xT is made to compete directly with lumia 820.
Ativ S neo: same stuff, only it has a higher resolution screen, a bigger screen and ofc a bigger battery(to compensate for bigger screen with bigger resolution)
Lumia 820 will probably still look better because of infinite contrast thing and have better battery life because of lower screen size+res.
So yes, for the first time ever, I agree with Zdnet, they are mid range.
Ah - I didn't see that they'd stepped down the resolution on the 8XT; my bad. The 8x has 1280x720. On the other hand, the 8XT still has the better front-facing camera and speakers than the Lumia 820; I'll grant that they're both mid-range (because of that screen, mostly).
I'm really curious what you think qualifies the ATIV S (Neo or otherwise) as mid-range, though. It's not the display; larger viewable area and higher DPI than the mid-range phones is a definite upgrade, and "the infinite contrast thing" is just an attempt to make LCD do what AMOLED does naturally, so no, the 820 doesn't win there either (also, for those of us with actually good vision, the higher DPI really does matter). It is trivially lower resolution than the 920 or 1020, but I really do mean trivially. It's not the processor, unles shaving 0.1GHz off the CPU speed of the fastest phone for this OS drops it to "mid-range". It's not the RAM; the only reason the 1020 has that huge amount of RAM is so it can work with 41MPx images; most of the time it won't even be possible to use that much due to OS limitations, It's not the front-facing camera. It might be the rear camera, which is good but nothing special, I guess? (On the Neo), it just might be the battery; they put a slightly smaller battery in it than is in the ATIV S. Except, oh wait, it's still one of the highest-capacity batteries for WP8, tied with the Lumia 1020.
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Ah - I didn't see that they'd stepped down the resolution on the 8XT; my bad. The 8x has 1280x720. On the other hand, the 8XT still has the better front-facing camera and speakers than the Lumia 820; I'll grant that they're both mid-range (because of that screen, mostly).
I'm really curious what you think qualifies the ATIV S (Neo or otherwise) as mid-range, though. It's not the display; larger viewable area and higher DPI than the mid-range phones is a definite upgrade, and "the infinite contrast thing" is just an attempt to make LCD do what AMOLED does naturally, so no, the 820 doesn't win there either (also, for those of us with actually good vision, the higher DPI really does matter). It is trivially lower resolution than the 920 or 1020, but I really do mean trivially. It's not the processor, unles shaving 0.1GHz off the CPU speed of the fastest phone for this OS drops it to "mid-range". It's not the RAM; the only reason the 1020 has that huge amount of RAM is so it can work with 41MPx images; most of the time it won't even be possible to use that much due to OS limitations, It's not the front-facing camera. It might be the rear camera, which is good but nothing special, I guess? (On the Neo), it just might be the battery; they put a slightly smaller battery in it than is in the ATIV S. Except, oh wait, it's still one of the highest-capacity batteries for WP8, tied with the Lumia 1020.
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Oh well, we will call it even.
Ativ S neo is high end, the other mid end (it will probably still not have an equalizer)
and btw, the 820 has removable battery+ super-sensitive touchscreen (which comes in handier than higher res display imo)
Although im a windows phone fanboy I have been very bored by the lack of updates and hacks and new devices other than nokia
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Do the other Beatz Audio (or whatever it's called) phones not have equalizers? It was an option all the way back on the HD7 (Sound Enhancer app).
I tend to feel that the touchscreen on my phone is almost *too* sensitive, but I don't live in a part of the world where people need to wear gloves much (and ski gloves are too thick for the 920 and presumably also 820 anyhow).
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Do the other Beatz Audio (or whatever it's called) phones not have equalizers? It was an option all the way back on the HD7 (Sound Enhancer app).
I tend to feel that the touchscreen on my phone is almost *too* sensitive, but I don't live in a part of the world where people need to wear gloves much (and ski gloves are too thick for the 920 and presumably also 820 anyhow).
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Yeh HTC has equalizer. The ativ does not.
Where I come from, super sensitive touchscreen comes in very, very handy.
My Nokia 521 is all over both those phones! Jk
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My eye is on an international 1020 so I can keep my unlimited data plan with at&t, im also very concerned about losing my Microsoft YouTube app, I have the xap and a dev unlock account but so far no one has been able to de encrypt marketplace apps and any talk of that, people start freaking out about piracy, I just don't want to give this app up when I switch phones, I seriously use it all the time
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My eye is on an international 1020 so I can keep my unlimited data plan with at&t, im also very concerned about losing my Microsoft YouTube app, I have the xap and a dev unlock account but so far no one has been able to de encrypt marketplace apps and any talk of that, people start freaking out about piracy, I just don't want to give this app up when I switch phones, I seriously use it all the time
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Why would you lose your Microsoft Youtube app if you buy a windows phone?
Because the app is no longer available in the marketplace and the xap cannot be side loaded
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Because the app is no longer available in the marketplace and the xap cannot be side loaded
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You realize the official "youtube app" is just a web browser in disguise, which connects automatically to youtube?
No I am talking about the I'll fated Microsoft YouTube app that was pulled after google threw a hissy fit, it has a beautiful modern metro ui, NO ADS, and you can download videos as well as play videos not intended for mobile, its better than sliced bread
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No I am talking about the I'll fated Microsoft YouTube app that was pulled after google threw a hissy fit, it has a beautiful modern metro ui, NO ADS, and you can download videos as well as play videos not intended for mobile, its better than sliced bread
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I'll make ya one after im done with my curent project lol xD