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From heaven to Hell in 5 weeks

Two months ago, I was getting ready for my vacation (first one in six years) and a trip to US (Going next week). I spent several days checking forums, sites, magazines, everything that would help me choose the best tablet, and Xoom looked like the best option.
I never liked Apple and Ipad. To 'restricted' I’m my opinion. It's like a fine car that doesn't allow you to change the gear, break, accelerate or even steering. Basically the only think you can do is to insert address in the GPS and horn!
I have a Samsung galaxy S and so fat it’s the best phone I have ever had. I already had HTC, Kaiser, Blackberry, Motorola, LG, Nokia, etc and this is, by far, the best one. At first it was terrible: slow, too may Samsung bloatware, terrible battery live, but after flashing few cooked roms it transformed itself to a new device. It was Clark and now became Superman.
Back to the Tablets, when I was looking for the best tablet for me I checked other tablets as well: Samsung didn't had micro SD slot, no HDMI output and it also had almost the same weight as Xoom. Rim Tablet was too "Blackberry alike", and with an unknown OS. LG didn't have all the option as the Motorola Xoom and Ipad is… Ipad. So Xoom looked like the best option available. I decided to pre-order the Wi-Fi version to be delivered to the hotel address because I was afraid of a possible shortage. I have only one shot and I couldn`t miss it. Also this way I would be able to use it as my main computer during the trip. The Xoom is already waiting me on the hotel front desk…
….But I wish it wasn’t. In few weeks Xoom changed from the best available option to the worst option in the new Android market.
First, Motorola wasn’t able to keep up with other companies. Samsung did a major strategic movement and decided to re-design their table. Samsung created a tablet that weight just like an Ipad, and almost 30% less than the Xoom with almost the same specs as the Xoom. Samsung included a MicroSD slot, a much better screen (Super IPS) and HDMI while keeping same price as an Ipad 2. I can get the 16gb version for 100 less than the Xoom and I will still able to buy three or more 16gb MicroSD. Looking at the Samsung tablet make you feel like Motorola isn’t even trying. Bulkier, heavier an more expensive (ok 32gb is the same price, but they didn’t include a 16gb version which is cheaper if you think that you can get a 16gb MicroSD for 30 now.)
In the meantime Motorola is fighting itself: news that they will drop the production of Xoom, e-mails sent to Xda to remove .dump file, locket bootloader on the atrix and droid phones. It looks like Motorola is attacking the only thing that could save the Xoom: The community that could help support the device by making customs rom and other improvements.
In my opinion, it looks like Motorola is working hard to prevent customs Roms to the Xoom
So I keep asking myself if I should keep the Xoom, and the short answer is: No. I shouldn’t
I will be needing a tablet during my trip and I still haven`t decided if I should keep my Xoom until I can get a Samsung Tab or if I should send it back to Amazon and get a Asus Transformer. I am afraid that keeping the Xoom for too much time I won`t be able sell it in the future. I`m feeling like I am with a time bomb on my lap and if I doesn`t sell it fast enough it will blow.
And I have no doubt that it will be much easier to sell an Asus Transformer or an Acer A 500 than sell the Xoom in the near future. Hey, the transformer have a different strategy (that it can also be used as a netbook) so I may ending keeping it (but I still like Samsung Tab 10.1 best).
For now, Xoom is just better than nothing because there are no other android devices available. From April 24th (Acer A500 launch) it will face the competition of Acer. After that Asus and Samsung. The truth is that I haven`t even open the Xoom box, but I’m already with bitter taste in my mouth.
Some people talk about Xoom having the premium price. You paid more because you wanted to have the first Android device in the market ahead from everyone. OK, but would you pay this “premium price” if you knew that it would only last four weeks? That after 4 weeks you would have 4 new and better options (cheaper ones) available? Also, how much “premium price” you’ll have to pay? You already paying it in dollars, but you already paying it in the fact that the OS have bugs (like Mem space bug), that the SD card doesn’t work, that the screen is worst than every other device. How much you’ll have to pay as premium price?
Now I just need to know how can I return an unopened Xoom to Amazon and have a refund to purchase and Acer or and Asus for 200 bucks less.
It’s sad when you haven’t event received a new gadget but you already have give up on it, but it is worst when you realized that even the manufacture have already give up on the device.

isnt the galaxy tab shipping with FROYO? with Samsung's track record, I doubt it'll get honeycomb in 2011, gingerbread is a more realistic goal, maybe near christmas?
Xoom is a great tablet and I'm sorry that you've decided to return it without even using it.
This same thread has been posted too many times, and needs to be added to a forum FAQ or something. "Should I buy x if y is coming out soon?" turns into "Should I buy y if z is coming out soon?". At some point you just have to make a purchase and accept that no technology is going to be "the best" for very long

Wait, you haven't even opened the box and we get this long rant?
Use the device, let your experience guide your choices. The simple fact is that the Xoom is a powerful and beautiful slate, if you are one of us who love it out of the box.
We have root, we have overclock and regardless of the Xoom platform Honeycomb will have a strong community support even if because it is Android.
I for one am a power user and love my Xoom, it's attractive and does it's job well for my tastes.
Regardless, you need to experience the thing in your environment before you decide it isn't worth your time. Normally the hurdle would be the purchase, but you've already passed that one. Take the time to configure and play, then decide!

Dubar said:
isnt the galaxy tab shipping with FROYO? with Samsung's track record, I doubt it'll get honeycomb in 2011, gingerbread is a more realistic goal, maybe near christmas?
Xoom is a great tablet and I'm sorry that you've decided to return it without even using it.
This same thread has been posted too many times, and needs to be added to a forum FAQ or something. "Should I buy x if y is coming out soon?" turns into "Should I buy y if z is coming out soon?". At some point you just have to make a purchase and accept that no technology is going to be "the best" for very long
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Galaxy Tab 10 is not shipping with 2.2. Launching with 3.0.

LordLugard said:
Galaxy Tab 10 is not shipping with 2.2. Launching with 3.0.
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my bad, must be thinking of the older one; I feel sorry for anyone who bought that oversized phone that doesnt make calls
After using honeycomb, 2.x just doesnt make sense on a tablet
edit: I cant wait for all these new tablets to come out so people can start to differentiate between problems with the xoom and problems with honeycomb.

It's amazing how you've managed to out dumb every single other post in xoom general with this ridiculous pointless rant.
You've not even opened the box and you're complaining about the xoom.
The xoom is the most unlocked device moto has ever produced, it won't ever be locked.
You have nothing to backup your claims at all. There is nothing about the new tablets coming out that will reduce your enjoyment of the xoom. If you keep worrying about the next tablet and then the next tablet you will never have a tablet, and never be happy.
The xoom is a wonderful device with a lot going for it and nothing samsung or acer does will change that for me.
Honestly its your fault for ordering something so far ahead of time, especially a device like this that had almost no chance of selling out.
Sent from my Xoom using XDA Premium App

I'm sure that the description "From Heaven to Hell" seems a bit dramatic to most readers, but if thats the way you feel, you will probably never be happy with the Xoom even after the upgrades & updates.
The more I read the more I realize the Xoom really is only going to one of the best tablets after it's hacked, overclocked and running a high quality custom ROM. This is the way I always intended to use the Xoom, though I am learning that I really am in the minority of users. Those consumers having no intention of hacking the tablet are likely to be disappointed when comparing it to a more "finished" product.
I add my experience to this post only to help illustrate the importance of considering the intended use of the product by the individual giving his opinion of it. Critics of users who are dissatisfied with the Xoom seem to overlook that relevance and chastise them unjustly. Inevitably, every thread that includes negative opinions of the Xoom turns to **** as a polarized pissing contest ensues.
The ironic good part of this usual course of behavior is that waiting for these updates will give everyone a chance to get this crap out of their system so that by that time we can get busy talking about nothing but development, improvements and ROMs. Won't THAT be great?!

Sorry if you think that what I wrote is 'ridiculous pointless rant', but what a wrote is just what I am feeling so I am probably feeling ridiculous pointless right now.
About pre-ordering, yes it was a bad call. But I was in the US last thanksgiving and I spent two weeks trying to get a Xbox Kinect with no luck. I just didn`t want that to happened again. I also pre order a 3DS in the same way as the Xoom.
I agree that there is nothing from the new tables that would keep me from enjoying the Xoom, but that's not so simple. It's human nature to search for the best, and have the best. So I can say that except for some users that actually try several devices in order to choose the right one, most of the consumers will just choose the ones that looks the best. And between too devices, one 30% lighter and with the same specs, most of the users will go for the lighter even without testing.
I know that I am responsible for what happened but I think that what you should realize is that this will be the most typical scenario for the Xoom in the next weeks. Do you think that most of the consumers will act as XDA user and will do their homework (even then some XDA users will return theirs Xoom) or they will make their decisions like I did, in an impulse purchase?
Just look how many people stood on the line to purchase an Ipad 2 in the first day. None of these people were able to fully try Ipad before buying it. They just went for the one that looked the best.
And so this will probably happens with Android devices too. Most of people will go for the one with better specs or, in a secondary decision path, for the cheaper one. Very few people will go for the `right one for me`.
I just don't think that Motorola will hold on the Xoom if they start getting low sales numbers and high return rates. Motorola hasn't show that it will support Xoom if it fails in sale, and that's, combined to a POSSIBLE decision to prevent custom rooms (like they did in some Droid and Atrix phones) will turn out to be doom fall to Xoom users.

Psychokitty said:
I'm sure that the description "From Heaven to Hell" seems a bit dramatic to most readers, but if thats the way you feel, you will probably never be happy with the Xoom even after the upgrades & updates.
The more I read the more I realize the Xoom really is only going to one of the best tablets after it's hacked, overclocked and running a high quality custom ROM. This is the way I always intended to use the Xoom, though I am learning that I really am in the minority of users. Those consumers having no intention of hacking the tablet are likely to be disappointed when comparing it to a more "finished" product.
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I agree with the fact that Xoom will be a much better device after hacked and with custom Rom. I just don`t know if that will happen. Just look at the Atrix forum and the petition to have an unlocked bootloader. If I`m wrong please let me know but we are not sure, at this time, that there will be custom roms avaiable to the Xoom.

If I may throw my 2 cents into the can...
Yes, it looks like cheaper, and slimmer or lighter tablets are coming around the corner. Acer and Asus have it right in the price. Samsung built a thinner mouse trap, if you will, with redesigning the 8.9 and 10.1 Tabs.
Here's why the Xoom is my pick to date: Stock Android Device. Yes, all these tablets will have Honeycomb, but the OEM's are placing UI's on top. Granted, They don't appear to be too obtrusive to the Honeycomb experience (thank you Samsung for figuring that out) it will still be an issue when updates are released. I learned my lesson on the phone side and bought the Nexus S, and am so, so glad I did. Now, I don't want to get into a discussion of who the updates will be coming from, but it's obvious that a stock operating system will get the updates much, much faster than any devices with custom UI's. Samsung will have one, Asus will have one, hell HTC wants to put frigging Sense on their tablets. Yes people, you HTC tablet owners will get to stare at that stupid clock widget all day long on a bigger screen.
Look, I understand that the Xoom is way too expensive, I look at my Best Buy account and cringe, but I'm glad I pulled the trigger and bout the Xoom. It may not be a "Nexus" device per say, but for the joy of having the "pure Google experience" I'm all about the Xoom.

Dandarebr said:
I agree with the fact that Xoom will be a much better device after hacked and with custom Rom. I just don`t know if that will happen. Just look at the Atrix forum and the petition to have an unlocked bootloader. If I`m wrong please let me know but we are not sure, at this time, that there will be custom roms avaiable to the Xoom.
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the only thing stopping the development of custom roms right now is the lack of HC source code, so if the xoom never gets custom roms then no 3.x device will

chrisharmful said:
If I may throw my 2 cents into the can...
Yes, it looks like cheaper, and slimmer or lighter tablets are coming around the corner. Acer and Asus have it right in the price. Samsung built a thinner mouse trap, if you will, with redesigning the 8.9 and 10.1 Tabs.
Here's why the Xoom is my pick to date: Stock Android Device. Yes, all these tablets will have Honeycomb, but the OEM's are placing UI's on top. Granted, They don't appear to be too obtrusive to the Honeycomb experience (thank you Samsung for figuring that out) it will still be an issue when updates are released. I learned my lesson on the phone side and bought the Nexus S, and am so, so glad I did. Now, I don't want to get into a discussion of who the updates will be coming from, but it's obvious that a stock operating system will get the updates much, much faster than any devices with custom UI's. Samsung will have one, Asus will have one, hell HTC wants to put frigging Sense on their tablets. Yes people, you HTC tablet owners will get to stare at that stupid clock widget all day long on a bigger screen.
Look, I understand that the Xoom is way too expensive, I look at my Best Buy account and cringe, but I'm glad I pulled the trigger and bout the Xoom. It may not be a "Nexus" device per say, but for the joy of having the "pure Google experience" I'm all about the Xoom.
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I agree with most everything you said however, where is the microSD card support on Xoom? These new tablets are releasing with functional slots. For a flagship device for Honeycomb, I am a bit disappointed. I have had my Xoom since day 1 and being as patient as possible with this but seeing other honeycomb tablets release with microSD support is a slap in the face.

dandearebr,
notice this...
regarding development of android device you must have development device, until now the development device supported by google are : G1 (legacy, not supported anymore), Nexus One, Nexus S and Motorola Xoom... the last three have unlock bootoloader officially, not by doing a hack, G1 Dev are coming unlocked from the first day of release (except G1 T Mob)..
so now, are you sure the next coming HC tablets have official unlock bootloader? "fastboot oem unlock"
Droid, Desire, Xperia etc, they are not development device, so is Atrix and others..the only way to put custom android to that product is hacking the bootloader..
Atrix have a good bootloader lock, afaik until now, no one have succes unlock milestone bootloader..so atrix will do the same..
now, one million dollars question for u, are u sure u want to buy next tablet that we dont know about their bootloader? u love custom rom right?

Dear Dandearebr
You will never get "perfect" tablet because there is no definition of such. There are expectations that are constantly changing, also they are very personal and subjective.
Your opinion is based on reviews and vocal complainers baseless in most of cases.
Xoom is very solid tablet capable of replacing of laptop. I am sure that it will get updates and will be useful for a least a year, year and a half. Then it will be a picture frame.
BTW, it has amazingly powerful sound. Listening online radio is very enjoyable.
My opinion is based on experience using Android since 2009, starting with HTC G1, then MyTouch, Galaxy S, Samsung Galaxy Tab 7". Xoom is a different animal because of Honeycomb and it is a big step forward.
Personally I prefer 7" tab with phone capability and pocketable size.

Classic buyer's remorse. We've all been there. My suggestion is to follow through and return it. You will never likely be happy with it, regardless of how well it functions for you.
Happily typing from my unlocked, rooted, overclocked Xoom.

Please return it so that real users don't have to clean up after you and kiss your boo-boos. Sheesh, you don't need a Xoom, you need a mom!
Sent from my Xoom using XDA App

So have you actually used the device?

God, return it.
Then when the XYZ tablet you want comes out you will go cry to those forums that ZYS v2.0 tablet is coming out.

I don't get why a lot of you are getting all defensive and starts attacking a fellow member, just because he's having a much better look at the future than us early adopters. I mean, be honest guys! A lot of us here are all wishful thinking about the opposite of what the OP has said! Yeah, we all might be happy for now, as the Motorola Xoom is the only tablet available that's actually competing with iPadLock2. But a few days, weeks from now, with all these tablets coming out and (hopefully not) the chance of Xoom reaching it's end of life/production. Along with threats of locked bootloader and a chance of not getting any update support from Motorola (FACT: XOOM is NOT the developer TAB from Google), we might just end up flooding this forum with threads just like the OP's.. Let's face it, no one knows about Xoom's future.. Heck I don't even know if Jha even knows the Xooms future at this point.. But the fact that Xoom's sale wasn't really that good, due to motorola's marketing strategy and price, with the iPad 2's overwhelming, and the upcoming flooding of Honeycomb tablets with better specs and/or pricing, our Xoom tablet could very well just end up as a very expensive paperweight.. Don't get me wrong, I am very happy with my Xoom! It meets my daily needs but the fact that it hasn't yet reached it's full potential due to Honeycomb's infancy, the FC's and limited apps worries me. I mean, we all know how these companies are.. If their product doesn't sell, they stop the production and support/updates. Add to that the threat on the XDA community regarding the Dump files and chances of the Bootloader getting locked, helps me understand the OP's sentiments/rants.. Let's face it, this is not the Developer's TAB like what we all hoped it would be when we bought it. Without the support from Motorola and the XDA community, this product we're defending would actually just end up like what the OP has said on the title of this thread. So let's just get along and stop bashing the OP just because he still has a chance to change his mind. Me, I would advice the OP to just return/sell the Xoom and wait for a few the upcoming tablets before it's too late. Because if he does, he would have a much better look at the future of the Xoom. Who knows, he might even see Motorola getting crazy coming up with a 16GB version, with better pricing and unlocked bootloader! Now that would be a win/win situation for the OP and us early adopters!! My fingers are crossed..........

Perfect! There really is no more to debate on this, and just no reason to bash the OP. Nobody knows anything for sure yet. I'm in it for the long haul, but only because I intend to be an end user of custom ROMs. I WILL be disappointed with how much I spent on the Xoom if that doesn't ever happen.

Is Xoom the tablet for me?

I am not currently a tablet owner. But I'm constantly trying to watch for the tablet that meets my needs. I feel those needs should be met before I can consider dropping money on a product that I will only need to upgrade within a few months if they don't.
I loved my ipod touch, and when my cellphone died...iphone was a no brainer for me. But when I view the ipad, I see nothing more than a larger ipod touch. So for now, it's been scratched off my list of potential tablet options.
Features I believe to be important to be considered a tablet that suits my needs:
-expandable memory
-customizable UI
-ability to attach usb devices (usb sticks, extrenal HDDs, etc.)
-file management
-ability to transfer data on/off device without the need to use syncing software
My research leads me to believe that the Xoom has basically achieved my list of requirements in full, except for point#3. As far as I'm concerened that could be rectified with little more than a micro usb to usb converter cable when/if one ever exists. So thats truly a minor concern.
My primary uses for the tablet would be:
-reading epubs
-music
-video
-email with hotmail and gmail accounts
-browsing web
-doc/pdf management and storage
Additionally, because I work in a tech support environment I would love:
-an app that I could use to scan whatever pc I'm attached to for system specs and what not. (I figure if any app store would eventually get this, the android one would, if one doesn't already exist)
So with my needs in mind, it seems to me that the Xoom qualifies. Which is exciting. But I read alot about new tech before I ever jump blindly into it, and am concerned that android 3.0 is still too infantile. This conclusion is solely based on posts from various forums of people experiencing issues with the OS, sluggishness, etc.
Is this the case? Having had no real experience with android based products, I don't know what to expect in the near future or even further down the road. Should I wait for the next honeycomb upgrade? Should I jump in now because things aren't as bad as some people make them out to be? Am I right to be cautious? Or is there a device out there that suits my needs listed above that I'm unaware of?
Sorry for my incredibly long first post
But I welcome any thoughts.

The xoom is a great device. I do not regret my purchase one bit And it will only get better. Not to say that there is nothing out there currently better, but i dont think there is any device that i would switch my xoom for.
Go for it.

You mean a cable such as this?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-male-USB-...=260750150828&ps=63&clkid=8964873560898851009
The xoom is a fantastic tablet and honeycomb is certainly full featured when compared with its iRivals. But there is no denying that Google couldn't release a new version of android soon enough for me. Too many force closures and reboots without warning. So close to being fantastic. And its getting lots of attention from the devs on here so some great kernels to try.
So in summary, great tablet. Great xda support. honeycomb released in a hurry and needs a new bugfix release despite showing great promise
Just my $0.02
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Yes! A cable such as that!
So what is android's bugfix track record? Good/bad? Am I better off waiting on honeycomb 2.0 release?
And as for the hardware, is the Xoom good/bad? Am I better off waiting on different hardware that runs honeycomb?

I own both a Xoom WiFi and a Nook Color. The Nook Color with the official 1.2 firmware will do everything on your primary use list out of the box for much less. Of course, the Xoom will too and a whole a lot more.

the developers are doing a terrific job with the xoom to make it a worth while tablet, but you might wanna buy it from Costco since they have a excellent return policy, just in case something better comes out you won't be comitted to a $600 purchase.

Yeah id agree that bigrushdog and the others are doing a great job of filling the gaps in the current kernel with their cooked replacements for rooted devices. Hardware wise the xoom is second place to nothing at the mo. With USB, hdmi and microSD it's missing nothing. Ok, it's not an ips screen but the one it has is very good. If you're thinking of waiting it's only worthwhile if you're gonna wait long enough for quad core tablets. Probably a long wait. If you reckon you'll jump on board with the xoom when honeycomb is patched I'd say you might as well not wait and get one now. The update will come eventually and there is plenty to enjoy in the meantime. It's only the occasional app closure that spoils the party at the mo.

Well, I plan to head down to bestbuy after work today and make my final decision. If I do come home with one today, should I be changing up the kernel? And can I reset back to factory if I do and decide to go back?

Really like the the looks of the upcoming Toshiba Tablet with the replaceable battery & built in usb. so at $600+, might not want to get locked into the xoom at that price point just yet.

I have the Xoom, and I love it!
There really isn't anything I don't like about it. I have had a couple issues with the browser closing (like 2 times in a month, and only when I am running multiple flash intensive sites). The speakers are nice and loud, the screen is really beautiful - no matter what people are saying.
Get one - you can always wait for the next best thing, but then you'll be waiting forever. Like I said, I hummed and hawed, but took the dive - and I am in love with my XOOM.

Karnalsyn said:
Well, I plan to head down to bestbuy after work today and make my final decision. If I do come home with one today, should I be changing up the kernel? And can I reset back to factory if I do and decide to go back?
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If I were you, I would spend a little time getting used to the device before rooting. After you have decided that you really like it, like me, then I would root and flash a custom kernel.
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mankoorb said:
Really like the the looks of the upcoming Toshiba Tablet with the replaceable battery & built in usb. so at $600+, might not want to get locked into the xoom at that price point just yet.
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I literally just got home with the Xoom, and read this..... /facepalm
What was crazy, was they had 2 demo models setup at bestbuy. One of them was working flawlessly, with seemless screen transition. And the other was lagging upwards to 2sec response time on screen transition.
I've yet to unpackage the xoom....now I must consider whether or not to take it back and wait for the toshiba.

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-video.
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Now, I didn't try a XOOM so I can't say this for sure, but looking around here it does look like the Tegra 2 can barely handle 720p video. If that is important, the Galaxy tab ( not the crippled WiFi only one) is better since it reads 1080p at really high bit rate. Like 40 mbps.
Edit: ouch, horrible timing it seems.
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Seems the toshiba tablet comes with full usb, mini usb and full hdmi. The back can be taken off to change the battery, or to exchange with a different color back. All very good additions....
However, the price is looking like it'll launch at $700 us for the 16gb model. And I think that might be the deal breaker for me. $100 more for a full usb port and half the memory, when I can buy a $5 usb converter cable. Looks like I will be sticking with the Xoom.

Karnalsyn said:
I literally just got home with the Xoom, and read this..... /facepalm
What was crazy, was they had 2 demo models setup at bestbuy. One of them was working flawlessly, with seemless screen transition. And the other was lagging upwards to 2sec response time on screen transition.
I've yet to unpackage the xoom....now I must consider whether or not to take it back and wait for the toshiba.
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Don't know best buy's return policy, but Costco allows you to return it up to 90 days with no restocking fee. I returned the first 1 I bricked and bought another 1 right then without any issue, so I figure I can play with the xoom for 90 days & check out the toshiba tablet & maybe a few others within that 90 day window or maybe a price drop & not be tied down to the xoom just yet.

I have to admit I was skeptical about the xoom, I made the jump, used it for two weeks, rooted and custom kernal, and love it. It has quirks, bluetooth keyboard lag online, but really it flies. I read somewhere that there was an it applcation for android to work on network systems but I believe it was expensive. Wait on a cheaper version if you want but the xoom rocks.

Is $300 to $350 worth it for a 32gig xoom with new tablets coming.

I'm looking for a tablet and I see three xooms near me. One of them for $400 new, another $350 used and one for $300 used. Need advice.

DevilStrider said:
I'm looking for a tablet and I see three xooms near me. One of them for $400 new, another $350 used and one for $300 used. Need advice.
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Maybe if you prvide your location you will get better help? There was a special in Sydney yesterday for brand new Xoom for 298 AUD. If you are happy to wait I am sure by January next year all the tablets will come down in price.
K.

I was looking at the prime but i really don't want to spend $500. But I want ICS and there is no sure fire proof it will officially come to the xoom.

DevilStrider said:
I was looking at the prime but i really don't want to spend $500. But I want ICS and there is no sure fire proof it will officially come to the xoom.
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JBQ stated that it is coming to the Xoom soon. Motorola stated that it's coming to the Xoom, but no time frame given.
It's coming; we just don't know when. I estimate Late Jan - Mid February.

The latest AOSP release included files for the Xoom, just give it a week and it will be in here...
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I got dude that wanted $400 to drop it to $350 but I would rather pay $300 tops.

Keep an Eye on Woot. I picked up 2 wifi only's for $320 a pop in november.

Yeah they trying to get $400 when it's $369 on newegg

Get a Quad Core Transformer instead (I am not Hating, I have a 32GB WiFi Xoom), but GED has held this device back. Still can't Write or Delete the SD Card without a PC, while other Android Tablets have been doing this since the day they came out. Google is Super Slow in allowing us GED Xoom owners Full SD Card Access.

ghodzilla5150 said:
Get a Quad Core Transformer instead (I am not Hating, I have a 32GB WiFi Xoom), but GED has held this device back. Still can't Write or Delete the SD Card without a PC, while other Android Tablets have been doing this since the day they came out. Google is Super Slow in allowing us GED Xoom owners Full SD Card Access.
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*sighs* You can write to your SD card if you were willing to root. I personally bought my Xoom over a transformer, or galaxy tab or what have you because its a GED device. You know why? because I do not want bloat. I dont want touchwiz, I dont want sense, I dont want motoblur or any other modified interface. I wanted pure undiluted android with the lovely added bonus of being virtually unbrickable all while being unlocked.
I did not buy a xoom to remain at stock, I bought it to overclock it, to tweak it, To make the device MY device. As im sure a lot of other xoom owners did. This will probably sound harsh but it's not my intention; If you wanted to remain at stock, which seems obvious from your previous posts in another thread complaining about the very same issue your complaining about here, Then maybe you should have done your research and checked out competing tablets before making your purchase. I find i'm pretty happy with all my purchases because I do huge amounts of research to find the product that is right for me.
The xoom is an amazing device, We have a pretty amazing community here that will help you if need be, Thou I find most everything answered already. The developers we have are great. Team Tiamat for example make a flawless rom/kernel from my experience, limited as it may be. Its still great. I currently have mine with the moray 2.2.2 rom and odachi OC kernel and its extremely smooth, wonderful batterylife.. And relatively amazing. Being a GED device means its basically a developing template. You bought a GED device, because its a GED device and you're not taking advantage of the fact its a GED device. It takes longer to read the instructions on how to root then it does to actually do it. You will be MUCH happier with your purchase if you take advantage of what its capable of. Root it, rom it, kernel it. Do your research before trying, But if you do You will have a more plesant experience. You will be much more happier with your device. I personally used this thread and I can vouch for its accuracy http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1249798 if you don't like it. Then simply return it to stock and you're done. There are more benefits to rooting a device Then their are downsides from what I've read.
In response to OP's question. I paid the current price on newegg (370$) and even at that price I am very happy with my purchase. If I could find one for 300-350$ I would buy it in a heartbeat for my parents. Now keep in mind the 370$ price tag is for a RE CERTIFIED xoom, Mine came with stock everything in the box. No problems what so ever. Soo if you were going to pay 350 for a used one, Splurge for the extra 20 to get a re certified product. Its very much worth that price in my honest opinion.

You see, I bought the WiFi Xoom the day it came out because of PROMISES & HYPE. You are partially right. I should have waited for the Transformer (at least I would have a working SD Card Write/Delete from within). I just feel I SHOULD NOT have to go thru the Trouble of Rooting to get what the device should do out of the BOX. That's why GED "WAS" supposed to be so special. To me it isn't.
I feel we were duped and I personally will NEVER get another GED device EVER again. Actually GED is holding back the US Xoom's. A very talented Dev has said as much. If you have ever been on the Moto Community Forums, Gmanapps (who created SDCARDXD) has said as much, and he is VERY Talented and Smart (not to say you are not, I just respect what he has to say on the issue at hand). To me these EXPENSIVE Devices should work out-of-the-box as my Samsung Galaxy Player 5.0 does. I got tired of keeping up with Myn's Rom then Synergy. I jut want it to work Stock. There is NOTHING wrong with that, especially after the money we 1st Day Adopters paid for it.
Just my 2 Cents from a VERY Frustrated Consumer. When you Root, things go wrong and something ALWAYS gets FUBAR'd (like No 4G or Camera Not Working). No Thanks.

Ohhh, I can understand why you're so frustrated now. I learnt to always take promises and hypes with a grain of salt. Just because people will say whatever it takes to sale their product. I just about always wait until something has all its bugs and stuff worked out before buying it. So I can very much understand your point now.
I personally will buy a GED device again, but my reasoning is because its unlocked. I very much enjoy hacking things to do more then they should, It extends the life of a product for me. Means I have to replace it less often. Which is a huge plus for me because I can be kinda cheap haha. I originally started my "mobile" carrier, so to speak, with iOS, its the openness of android that attracted me so much. I hate not having control of my devices. So rooting for me, was part of the appeal. No disrespect taken Because I can understand your frustration. The devs on here know alot more then i do haha. Maybe it has held it back, But at the same time in my eyes it's helped because of it being unlocked, it allows for an easier time developing.
Things should work out of the box I will agree with that, they really should. People shouldn't have to create apps to allow a feature thats available on just about anything that includes an SD card. Sometimes things don't thou, and I guess it would be googles fault for it not doing so since updates do come through them. I guess its because the tablet is kinda like the nexus program, Devices with the pure unfiltered android experience. I guess even the flaws of that "unfiltered" experience come through as well. Personally though, I would much rather adapt and find a solution then be unhappy.
If you ever do decide to give rooting/roming (is that what you call it?) a go. Def use the guide i linked earlier for as long as its still valid. The only thing that would suck is backing up your data before the wipe that happens when you unlock.

ghodzilla5150 said:
Just my 2 Cents from a VERY Frustrated Consumer. When you Root, things go wrong and something ALWAYS gets FUBAR'd (like No 4G or Camera Not Working). No Thanks.
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If you follow directions properly, most issues are avoided. And afaik, issues like no 4g or broken camera occur when you apply an unstable rom. Rooting simply gives you full control, that's all.

Vengfulr3ap3r said:
Ohhh, I can understand why you're so frustrated now. I learnt to always take promises and hypes with a grain of salt. Just because people will say whatever it takes to sale their product. I just about always wait until something has all its bugs and stuff worked out before buying it. So I can very much understand your point now.
I personally will buy a GED device again, but my reasoning is because its unlocked. I very much enjoy hacking things to do more then they should, It extends the life of a product for me. Means I have to replace it less often. Which is a huge plus for me because I can be kinda cheap haha. I originally started my "mobile" carrier, so to speak, with iOS, its the openness of android that attracted me so much. I hate not having control of my devices. So rooting for me, was part of the appeal. No disrespect taken Because I can understand your frustration. The devs on here know alot more then i do haha. Maybe it has held it back, But at the same time in my eyes it's helped because of it being unlocked, it allows for an easier time developing.
Things should work out of the box I will agree with that, they really should. People shouldn't have to create apps to allow a feature thats available on just about anything that includes an SD card. Sometimes things don't thou, and I guess it would be googles fault for it not doing so since updates do come through them. I guess its because the tablet is kinda like the nexus program, Devices with the pure unfiltered android experience. I guess even the flaws of that "unfiltered" experience come through as well. Personally though, I would much rather adapt and find a solution then be unhappy.
If you ever do decide to give rooting/roming (is that what you call it?) a go. Def use the guide i linked earlier for as long as its still valid. The only thing that would suck is backing up your data before the wipe that happens when you unlock.
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You are a cool dude, Thanks for the help. I have Rooted before. My OG EVO had Myn's Warm 2.2 , then Synergy. So I am NOT a Noob to Rooting. I just don't feel like following the ROM to Death like before. It gets old. I guess I will just have to wait until Google gets off it's LAZY ASS and gives us ICS. HC works fine and as for me, the Playbook and Galaxy Player are all I need for now. I have no more need for tablets and what I have will suffice for a long time.

I personally thing if u find a xoom has better spec. then another 10' tablet. it has 4g, duel core, and used ranged from 300 dollar. Samsung makes good tablet but right now still not really match xoom in price range. Samung tablet plus price is like more then xoom. xoom is close or less then this tablet. Only think i would consider is the old samsung tab 7 inch. becasue:
Samsung tab 7" ( old )
1 core, 2gb + sd slot. 3g around 200-250 ( i got one on ebay 198)
Xoom
2 core 32 GB +sd slot 4G around 300-340 ( i got one on ebay. 310)
for 50-60 dollars more u get 4g and bigger screen and 1 core. Hope you understand.

its got the longest battery life among current tablets and its the only one that does dualband. I have no interest in buying a non GED device. I want to decide on my overlay and I want the first updates. Google's updates are far more featurefilled than anything Asus will offer you in their overlay, so picking a non GED product makes no sense for me. Ill get a new one either after nvidias next Gen processor comes out in a year or if Samsung makes something with that awesome flexible display concept design they made (YouTube the commercial, coolest thing I've ever seen). The tegra 2 is not yet outdated. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, though

i paid 240 for my xoom :]
got it used on craigslist

Just picked one up as well. 32gig Wifi for $300. Buyer also included dock and case. Cant complain about that. Now.. on to root

I wouldnt personally buy a xoom when the transformer prime is around the corner...

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I wouldnt personally buy a xoom when the transformer prime is around the corner...
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I bought a 4G LTE XOOM, knowing the Prime was around the corner... Mostly because I needed a tablet with its own dedicated data connection... Verizon has the best network and didn't want the Galaxy Tab or Xyboard. TP isn't coming out with mobile radios, so had to rule it out.

GALAXY S3 vs PADFONE

I really like GS3 but.. I miss the "wow" effect..
Well: it is great.. but only "in hardware specs".
When I saw padfone unboxing.. I remembered the "wow" effect.
I don't know what to think..
They are compleatly different devices..
But I LOVE to use the same device (same SIM, same SD CARD) on a bigger screen!
What do you think about?

I'm considering the Padfone myself.....pricing is a concern though, since I want the phone & tablet dock together.

Can you send me the link for wow effect of pad phone unbox!
TapaTalk Gnex Galaxy Sii

http://www.netbooknews.de/69255/asu...n-video-fotogalerie-smartphone-tablet-laptop/
Yes, I know price is a big problem but.. You buy TWO DEVICES at the same price of GS3 (herein italy we will pay GS3 699€!).
But I am afraid that developers will cook for GS3 and not for padfone..
And it is very important for me to customize ROM..

Crapppppp galaxy s3 ftw!

I have to say that is very nice, shame the battery is so weak 1560ma.....
I do like the idea of convergence products.

Sorry, I don't have anything to contribute, judging by its name and its look, looks like Apple has a new target. Seems to be onpar with the HTC One S in term of spec and screen, but with the tablet thing and microSD slot. I really like the Asus color scheme.
http://www.gsmarena.com/asus_padfone-3965.php

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http://www.netbooknews.de/69255/asu...n-video-fotogalerie-smartphone-tablet-laptop/
Yes, I know price is a big problem but.. You buy TWO DEVICES at the same price of GS3 (herein italy we will pay GS3 699€!).
But I am afraid that developers will cook for GS3 and not for padfone..
And it is very important for me to customize ROM..
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Good point there.. normally popular phones would have more developers, and accessories.
and it uses PenTile tech ... much like atrix and sgs3. But its more towards that of atrix (although atrix is not amoled), as its same reso with a bigger screen, but expect to see grainy results.. (i have the atrix .. so can somehow picture how it would look like.)
Hardware wise its on par with sgs3.. but yea .. it might lose out in endurance due to a smaller batt, unless u carry the tablet around with u.
Software wise.. im not sure what it does when place in tablet dock.. but like the atrix's webtop .. u might expect funky software tweaks to achieve that.. and that might hinder developers trying to cook roms or cm9 full compatibility? ;/ (just my guess)

Considering its ICS, which is built for both tablets and phones, when plugged into the Tablet it would prolly just enlarge the screen or sum. No need to launch a whole different OS.

funb0b said:
I do like the idea of convergence products.
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That is the point! If you can you bring tablet with you.. If you can't You just have your mobile with you!
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Good point there.. normally popular phones would have more developers, and accessories.
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Hardware wise its on par with sgs3.. but yea .. it might lose out in endurance due to a smaller batt, unless u carry the tablet around with u.
Software wise.. im not sure what it does when place in tablet dock.. but like the atrix's webtop .. u might expect funky software tweaks to achieve that.. and that might hinder developers trying to cook roms or cm9 full compatibility? ;/ (just my guess)
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I confess that I did not know Webtop!
Well i think that this will be the future: A mobile phone that is a Personal Computer (when You need it!)!
Problem is marketing: I bet that if Apple sells something similar I'm sure we'd see a lot of people cry for it..
Anyway: The dream is a Tablet like the padfone one for S3.. Maybe that works using Wifi direct..

I need to criticize Asus a little. I have Asus Transformer Prime and I absolutely love it with almost stock ICS and stunning looks (its beautiful, seriously http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/04/transformer-prime-behind.jpg).
However at the moment I'm not 100% convinced with the Asus software. With the latest firmware there are quite often random reboots and the most annoying "xx has stopped, wait/close"-dialogs, especially when using any other browser than Opera Mobile (which runs like 15fps). The browser loads the page almost to completely, then often just stops and gets stuck for 3-10 seconds. If you try to touch the screen when it is stuck the "Browser has stopped"-dialog pops up. When you click wait it continues like nothing happened.
These are known issues with the latest ICS builds and I really hope Asus gets especially the browser fixed. With 4+1 core Tegra 3 the web browsing should be blazing fast, seriously. I am embarrassed to show my 600 euro tablet to any of my friends when it gets stuck with browsing internet. Atm web browsing is nowhere near even the SGS2, which runs like every web page smooth with all the flash content active.
Asus has an employee hanging with Prime users on the XDA forums and they are constantly communicating with users about the issues. This is very positive movement from Asus and is something Id really like to have from Samsung. There are even few (un)official Asus threads there where they announce new updates and so on.
Then Ill give one point towards Samsung about its bootloader policy. Asus has locked bootloaders which can be opened only with Asus official tool which reports the bootloader status straight to mothership. So basically you give up your warranty to Asus if you want to install custom roms.
Why I am blathering like this? This is just an example about situation when the grass always seems to be more green on the other side of the fence. In reality, it isnt.
In summary, I love my Prime and I trust Asus that they will get these issues fixed. And also I cant wait to get my pre-ordered SGS3.

Rytkonen said:
In summary, I love my Prime and I trust Asus that they will get these issues fixed. And also I cant wait to get my pre-ordered SGS3.
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Thank you very much for your infos: I did not know that there is Asus sipport on XDA.
You've convinced me!!!
Maybe I'll buy Asus TF700, too!
But it is boring that you have to buy another SIM card, different SD card..

It could be a mess if you get a phone call while it is docked. I wonder how it handles that.

There is the Pen that handles call via BT 4.0 (you can find some videos).
But I think it is awkward.
I looked for a user guide to find out if you can talk via wired earpiece (that's very cool).

funb0b said:
shame the battery is so weak 1560ma.....
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So weak?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/11/asus-battery-life-in-hours/
I bet that it lasts more than GS3 considering http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25940401&postcount=12

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So weak?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/11/asus-battery-life-in-hours/
I bet that it lasts more than GS3 considering http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25940401&postcount=12
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The "laptop" dock has a 6600 mAh battery.
Source: http://www.asus.com/Mobile/PadFone/#specifications

I am in the exact same boat, trying to decide between these two phones. My biggest issue right now is there is no North American ( 850mhz band ) version of the Padfone - this is a killer for this phone for me.

http://www.netbooknews.com/48952/asus-padfone-benchmark-snapdragon-s4-8260a-dual-core-cpu/
Another GOOD good reason for hesitating..
I'm really confused!

I do like this, but I've already got a TouchPad & getting a Galaxy Tab 10.1 free with the SGSIII.
There is also that factor that if the phone part goes wrong you have lost your phone and Tablet.
Were as with two independent devices if one has a problem its not such a big deal.

funb0b said:
I do like this, but I've already got a TouchPad & getting a Galaxy Tab 10.1 free with the SGSIII.
There is also that factor that if the phone part goes wrong you have lost your phone and Tablet.
Were as with two independent devices if one has a problem its not such a big deal.
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In my case, I already have the TF-101 and dock - which is another reason I woudl really like the PadFone, since it shares the dock with the TF-101 I would not have to buy that.

Nexus 9 Performance

I can't wait to see full support for 64 bit processors.. I feel the Nexus 9 should perform better.. Something tells me the OS and apps are not fully 64bit compliant yet. Any thoughts..? How has performance been for the rest of you guys/gals..?
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maconsultant said:
I can't wait to see full support for 64 bit processors.. I feel the Nexus 9 should perform better.. Something tells me the OS and apps are not fully 64bit compliant yet. Any thoughts..? How has performance been for the rest of you guys/gals..?
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This is one of the main reasons why I am returning mine, what's the point? It'll be quite some time before we see full support for 64 bit processors. We're paying this high of a price NOW for a tablet that the OS isn't even optimized for. That's the difference between apple and google, iOS is built around the hardware and for a limited amount of products; whereas android is built for a large variety of devices so it never really can be optimized for a specific tablet or phone because it has to cater to so many different devices with different specs.
Android should be flawless on a nexus device, after all a nexus device is supposed to set the tone and be an example of what android is.....too bad, because that is not the case with the n9.
Fwiw, I think the n9 is nice and all, got a lot of love for it but for what I paid for my 32gb n9 I expected more. I could live with a lil light bleeding and some recessed buttons but the lack of optimization and the battery life is unforgiving at this price. I bought the n9 to find out that maybe down the line at some point it will become the product I though that I was purchasing in the first place, if that makes any sense.
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^^^ this ^^^^

Yeah I'm debating the return myself.. It does not perform the way it should. Question is will they ever optimize the OS for it...?
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May i find out the areas which you feel the OS is not optimized? Is it the battery life?

When playing music or YouTube the tablet stutters and exhibits pops and clicks in the audio. It may just be the software is not optimized.. But for $600 it damm well should be. Given the way google handles things they could very well move on to the next thing and were left holding the bag.
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Chyeo1979 said:
May i find out the areas which you feel the OS is not optimized? Is it the battery life?
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Battery life should be better, don't get me wrong it's OK, I get may 7 hours but at this price 12 hours should be that norm. My n9 should not stutter, this thing is fast and you can tell....its sad but its kinda reminds me of touchwiz, the way it holds back Samsung's great hardware. Another thing that has bothered me is why no 3gb of ram? They are charging us a pretty penny and skimping on specs, the n9 is a ram hog. Right now with just the XDA app running usage is over 60% which is ridiculous.
At this price point you have to compare it to the iPad mini and or airs, apple just does so much of a better job all around. Apple has set the standard for what a high-end tablet should be and perform and the n9 comes close but it's not there yet. Had they added micro SD, I could overlook some things but this is a Nexus and we are too "dumb" to use a micro SD card. Its a great tablet but not at the price Google is charging, people are going to keep complaining because they expect more (as they should) for their money.
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3dupunk said:
Battery life should be better, don't get me wrong it's OK, I get may 7 hours but at this price 12 hours should be that norm. My n9 should not stutter, this thing is fast and you can tell....its sad but its kinda reminds me of touchwiz, the way it holds back Samsung's great hardware. Another thing that has bothered me is why no 3gb of ram? They are charging us a pretty penny and skimping on specs, the n9 is a ram hog. Right now with just the XDA app running usage is over 60% which is ridiculous.
At this price point you have to compare it to the iPad mini and or airs, apple just does so much of a better job all around. Apple has set the standard for what a high-end tablet should be and perform and the n9 comes close but it's not there yet. Had they added micro SD, I could overlook some things but this is a Nexus and we are too "dumb" to use a micro SD card. Its a great tablet but not at the price Google is charging, people are going to keep complaining because they expect more (as they should) for their money.
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Agreed with what you said, except my battery life is only about 5hrs as I mostly surf on browser. Coming from an old iPad 2, this is one of my biggest disappointment. No tablet should have <8hrs SOT for normal usage to me. And as if not bad enough, the battery charging rate is almost the same or slower than the draining rate. What's Google doing!!
I'm ok with no SD card, but feel Google should give 64gb storage and 3g ram too.
Only things that's keeping me are lollipop, the tablet size/design and my refusal to go back to iOS.

64gb storage, 3gb ram, Qi charging by default and OPTIMIZE LOLLIPOP FOR 64BIT ARCHITECTURE.!
As it stands now this thing is not optimized for the hardware.
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I am let down by 32 Gig only but I cope.
Put only what I need on the tablet (and a bit extra), the rest.... use the cloud.
My Note 3 has 3 Gig RAM and the Nexus 9 does not .... hard time explaining that but this is not Google' s choice, Google does not make the tablet.
Did people spend $800, $900 on this?
I did not I find the price ok.
I believe it will not take years to see 64bit apps, it will take months. (I can wait)

AstroDigital said:
I am let down by 32 Gig only but I cope.
Put only what I need on the tablet (and a bit extra), the rest.... use the cloud.
My Note 3 has 3 Gig RAM and the Nexus 9 does not .... hard time explaining that but this is not Google' s choice, Google does not make the tablet.
Did people spend $800, $900 on this?
I did not I find the price ok.
I believe it will not take years to see 64bit apps, it will take months. (I can wait)
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Hmm, how can it not be Google's choice. Google can't be telling HTC "Make me a tablet any way you like" right?

HTC makes Nexus 9, not Google.
I am sure Google has the say about the OS but not sure about the hardware.
2 Gig annoyed me but I am a big boy and said well it is still a Nexus device.... I will go for it.

AstroDigital said:
I am let down by 32 Gig only but I cope.
Put only what I need on the tablet (and a bit extra), the rest.... use the cloud.
My Note 3 has 3 Gig RAM and the Nexus 9 does not .... hard time explaining that but this is not Google' s choice, Google does not make the tablet.
Did people spend $800, $900 on this?
I did not I find the price ok.
I believe it will not take years to see 64bit apps, it will take months. (I can wait)
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522 in NYC after taxes, that's iPad money, I expect an iPad like experience. I'm not about putting up with bs at this price point, I shouldn't have to wait for optimization. Its acceptable to you and I understand that but it isn't to me, these companies want to let out inefficient devices and or products and we are the ones who have to deal with it? Negative, not this time.
AstroDigital said:
HTC makes Nexus 9, not Google.
I am sure Google has the say about the OS but not sure about the hardware.
2 Gig annoyed me but I am a big boy and said well it is still a Nexus device.... I will go for it.
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Google is the one that designs, sets the specs and tells HTC what to build it isn't the other way around. HTC is just a subcontractor that deals with manufacturing. The way you're putting it is like google is doing what HTC wants and google had no say in the hardware....are you kidding me? google is the one with all the leverage here, no disrespect but you make no sense from a business point of view.
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Cant wait for a review on this.

The 2GB RAM is most likely because nvidia wouldn't provide them with a TK1 SoC variant with more ram than that.

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Google is the one that designs, sets the specs and tells HTC what to build it isn't the other way around. HTC is just a subcontractor that deals with manufacturing. The way you're putting it is like google is doing what HTC wants and google had no say in the hardware....are you kidding me? google is the one with all the leverage here, no disrespect but you make no sense from a business point of view.
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You are the one that makes no sense, but believe what you may.
There is no way a software company goes to any hardware company and says to them ..... build it like this or else.
I worked for hardware manufacturer and it is always a compromise the customer says they want this, the company says too expensive we can do this.
The customer then says how about this, the manufacturer...
Continues to they get a compromise both sides can live with.
I know because this was part of my job.
Got a Smartwatch 3 you think maybe Google went to Sony and said Sony add no heart rate sensor .... or else?
You think they went to Motorola and they owned Motorola at the time and ordered them to use obsolete processors?
The original question is about performance and I answered It I am happy enough.
You want to believe Google went to HTC and says this is what we want you build of else.... what do I care?
Stay on topic.
I am happy with the performance as is
When there are more apps written for the 64 bit Tegra it will smoke everything else...... I my own opinion

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You are the one that makes no sense, but believe what you may.
There is no way a software company goes to any hardware company and says to them ..... build it like this or else.
I worked for hardware manufacturer and it is always a compromise the customer says they want this, the company says too expensive we can do this.
The customer then says how about this, the manufacturer...
Continues to they get a compromise both sides can live with.
I know because this was part of my job.
Got a Smartwatch 3 you think maybe Google went to Sony and said Sony add no heart rate sensor .... or else?
You think they went to Motorola and they owned Motorola at the time and ordered them to use obsolete processors?
The original question is about performance and I answered It I am happy enough.
You want to believe Google went to HTC and says this is what we want you build of else.... what do I care?
Stay on topic.
I am happy with the performance as is
When there are more apps written for the 64 bit Tegra it will smoke everything else...... I my own opinion
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You are leaving out one important thing and that is that HTC is in no position of power, they are declining across the board. They need google more than Goole needs them so to think that google had no say in the hardware is absolutely asinine. HTC told Google we're making it like this or kick rocks....PLEASE! You proved my point in stating that it is a compromise, meaning google had to make a decision and they obviously did. I agree with that statement but you made it seem like htc tells google what they are doing point blank and google says yes HTC. HTC can't build the n9 without google signing off on the product as I'm sure you are aware of so google had the final say.
I'm done.
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I want to believe this.. I was telling myself things are not optimized for the chip and architecture and it will get better. They only thing left is the light bleed I see.
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AstroDigital said:
HTC makes Nexus 9, not Google.
I am sure Google has the say about the OS but not sure about the hardware.
2 Gig annoyed me but I am a big boy and said well it is still a Nexus device.... I will go for it.
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If it's anything like the Nexus 7, then Google Engineers worked with HTC engineers to design the Nexus 9. But at the end the Nexus is a Google product and they are the ones with the final say in how the hardware is designed.
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/mo...ned-the-google-nexus-7-in-four-months-1089680

So will this rumored 5.1 update slated to hit first quarter 2015 be some TLC for this tablet..?
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