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Can someone tell me whats up with the 50+ ICS ROMs? It's a bit concerning that all this effort seems to be put into reproducing the same exact thing. I think the community would benefit from cooperation rather than competition... But I feel like I must be missing something here, I am new to the Nexus S but not to Android, is there something about the Nexus S community that I'm not getting?
Not complaining at all, or should I say, I'm not trying to complain. I also want to point out that I appreciate the developers who pour their time and effort into our devices and help us to get the maximum value out of them.
(Want to note, I am running AOSP's ICS build and loving it.)

joenathane said:
Can someone tell me whats up with the 50+ ICS ROMs? It's a bit concerning that all this effort seems to be put into reproducing the same exact thing. I think the community would benefit from cooperation rather than competition... But I feel like I must be missing something here, I am new to the Nexus S but not to Android, is there something about the Nexus S community that I'm not getting?
Not complaining at all, or should I say, I'm not trying to complain. I also want to point out that I appreciate the developers who pour their time and effort into our devices and help us to get the maximum value out of them.
(Want to note, I am running AOSP's ICS build and loving it.)
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Hey Man, I am much similar to where you are right now. I am not new to Nexus S or Android, but I feel that the abundance of ROMs is a good thing.
Having so many ROMs shows that the device is still running very strong: Something Android phones NEED to have behind them.
On the other hand I dislike it. To all the developers out there, I think you guys are amazing and genius no doubt. So take the following lightly...
What people don't like to see when browsing for a ROM is a dozen ROMs that are all identical. We need something new and fresh, hence why I like MIUI.
What I think should be done is as you said, have co-operation to make one master ROM because we have hundreds of people in the Nexus S community ready to help.
Speaking on my behalf I HATE SO MANY ROMs Because I simply cannot decide which is best because they are all similar in many ways, and I don't have time to try each one out as much as I want to. I do like having these ROMs but when it comes to choosing one its a big choice for me.
Any feedback on this?

I agree with a not so great abundance or ROMs. But most are not devs. They are simply "chefs" because they never actually developed anything. They just price and scrap things from source to mods. Cm9, ASOP, Peter A(because of his radios and kernal) are devs. We have lots of chefs.
I made brickROM just because of this situation. Its never been done, but the community wasn't ready for it yet.
Either way you can tell what rom has Is "real" I would say there's about only 5
And its sad for new Android users that come here get presided by a catching slogan and rob themselves from using a much better rom
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA App. Developer of brickROM, and OP of XDA Thread of The Year 2011.

What would you do if you don't like any of the existing ROMs? May be one is missing a feature you need, another just has too many features you don't want? The answer is simple -- create your own ROM, or modify an existing one... I think most devs just make the ROM they want to use as their daily driver and simply share it here (i.e. what's going on is not about competition, at least from my point of view)
It sounds good to gather all devs to create a ROM that suits everyone's needs, but IMHO it is nearly impossible to do that

suksit said:
What would you do if you don't like any of the existing ROMs? May be one is missing a feature you need, another just has too many features you don't want? The answer is simple -- create your own ROM, or modify an existing one... I think most devs just make the ROM they want to use as their daily driver and simply share it here (i.e. what's going on is not about competition, at least from my point of view)
It sounds good to gather all devs to create a ROM that suits everyone's needs, but IMHO it is nearly impossible to do that
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But these futures found in everyone's ROM are just mods that you can flash. I flash 8 zips with every rom update but I know that a personal mix so I have no need to share it.
I'm capiale of changing my waklppaer
I flash custom font, and inverted apps with some tyranny Widgets and kernal. With gnex sounds. No reason to "cook" it. This is not development.
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suksit said:
It sounds good to gather all devs to create a ROM that suits everyone's needs, but IMHO it is nearly impossible to do that
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The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen

joenathane said:
The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen
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I am agree with you CyanogenMod need a bug tracker for CM9.

Here is an interesting fact in case anyone didn't know but MR. Cyanogen himself is rocking a Nexus S http://twitter.com/#!/cyanogen/status/153353404159234049
I wonder what build of ICS he is running, probably from his own private reserve...

joenathane said:
The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen
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I will be honest here and say that I personally dislike Cyanogen Mod for the most part. True that they are the gut best in performance, but if the only ROM I had was Cyanogen, I would not be very happy with it. I just think that for my favor, Cyanogen focus' so much on power, yet takes the look of the ROM as a after thought. The modified music on Cyanogen ROMs and the overall execution of his work lacks style and design, as if he first said "Make it fast, then maybe make it look ok" MIUI on the other hand has a great deal invested in how it looks which gives a very effective illusion of performance.
I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.

LGIQEXPO said:
I will be honest here and say that I personally dislike Cyanogen Mod for the most part. True that they are the gut best in performance, but if the only ROM I had was Cyanogen, I would not be very happy with it. I just think that for my favor, Cyanogen focus' so much on power, yet takes the look of the ROM as a after thought. The modified music on Cyanogen ROMs and the overall execution of his work lacks style and design, as if he first said "Make it fast, then maybe make it look ok" MIUI on the other hand has a great deal invested in how it looks which gives a very effective illusion of performance.
I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.
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The only problem with that is Miui uses CyanogenMod code as a base(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIUI#Development) and CyanogenMod 7 has the theme chooser integrated for easy themeing(check the last three links in my signature to see some themes I created for it).
I don't think any mod team have contributed more to Android than the CyanogenMod Team, they certainly have my respect for that.
I agree about the spices, all these chefs cooking the same exact entree and now which on to choose...

joenathane said:
The only problem with that is Miui uses CyanogenMod code as a base(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIUI#Development)
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It's a fact, not a problem.
Back on topic,
LGIQEXPO said:
I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.
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I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.

suksit said:
It's a fact, not a problem.
Back on topic,
I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.
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This^^ plus one thing, good all these chefs are popping up, that's showing a swell in number of people interested in development, in the end it can only have a positive outcome. Let em dev.
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suksit said:
It's a fact, not a problem.
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I obviously didn't mean problem in that sense, I meant it as in the 'problem' with his argument not the problem with CyanogenMod or Miui, I'm not sure how you interpreted it the way you did...
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I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.
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what about the "noobs" who are instantly confronted with 20+ ICS ROMs and not a clue to which is worth its weight in salt?

joenathane said:
I obviously didn't mean problem in that sense, I meant it as in the 'problem' with his argument not the problem with CyanogenMod or Miui, I'm not sure how you interpreted it the way you did...
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Sorry if I interpreted it wrong (English is not my native language anyway ) I thought you're trying to imply that "since MIUI is based on CM, @LGIQEXPO shouldn't compare them together" or "if you like MIUI, it means you already liked CM." Just wanted to say that it is not a problem if one wants to compare those two.
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what about the "noobs" who are instantly confronted with 20+ ICS ROMs and not a clue to which is worth its weight in salt?
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Occasionally I'd see a thread titled "Help me decide which ROM is best" and the most popular answer would be "Why don't you try them all?" Yeah it would be madness to try all 20+ ROMs in a row, but I don't think anyone will do that.
Before flashing a ROM, I'd (suggest them to) read everything in the first few posts by the OP, and take a look at the screenshots (most of the time I can decide if I will like this ROM or not by these two factors) If those "noobs" are not too ignorant I believe they'll have a small list of ROM(s) they want to try (may be 4-5 choices, which is reasonable.)

I know it is on the same code, but I more so meant the apps that MIUI re-did for their ROMs, and how they offer a nice end user appeal.
What would be amazing is if all the known devs of these ROMs would just once come together to use their own strengths, and make a mast ROM out of it. MIUI Design and style, Cyanogen tweaks and speed, Peter A. stability, the overclocking everything! (I can't wait for that hahah )

you want fewer rom, get a ns4g. Although we only have a fraction of the roms found in the other forum, they all seem to have their own distinct character.

i was using an SII before this so i was a frequent on that part of xda.. they do have a separate page for original development and another one for development (being kitchen products)

Hey,
Just wanted to add my opinion in all of this that there are so many "equal" roms.
I as some mentioned on another thread am a chef to rom developing, and I don't mind.
Why I do this is because I don't have the time or knowledge to create Android source apps so I take what I think is the best from each rom and create my own.
For example for me CM9 is way to bloated with too many configurations and options I prefer a more real cleaner AOSP, something like Peter Alfonso (buglessBeast), but I do like the T9 dialer from CM9, so I cherry-pick that from CM9 and add it to a PA base.
Also for the notifications power menu I liked TeamKang one so I added that. That way I'm making my own custom rom to my liking and also I don't have to be flashing 20 zips every time there is a new update or wipe my phone
I just thought on sharing it just if some one has the same likes in roms I'm no asking for anything in return. Also I do this in my little free time.
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mandaman2k said:
Hey,
Just wanted to add my opinion in all of this that there are so many "equal" roms.
I as some mentioned on another thread am a chef to rom developing, and I don't mind.
Why I do this is because I don't have the time or knowledge to create Android source apps so I take what I think is the best from each rom and create my own.
For example for me CM9 is way to bloated with too many configurations and options I prefer a more real cleaner AOSP, something like Peter Alfonso (buglessBeast), but I do like the T9 dialer from CM9, so I cherry-pick that from CM9 and add it to a PA base.
Also for the notifications power menu I liked TeamKang one so I added that. That way I'm making my own custom rom to my liking and also I don't have to be flashing 20 zips every time there is a new update or wipe my phone
I just thought on sharing it just if some one has the same likes in roms I'm no asking for anything in return. Also I do this in my little free time.
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Thanks for adding your voice to the discourse.
If I was asked to offer an opinion on what you do, this is what I would say....
I think what you do is okay for you, but the problem is when you release it. There is a problem because as you state, you cherry pick features and/or "code" from other ROMs, and that can/will lead to issues for your user base. Lets take for example the T9 dialer, what happens when security bugs are found and fixed and optimizations make it into an update of the T9 dialer? Well that would mean you would need to update your ROM, but what if you're busy with your job or just with life and are too busy to get around to it? Well now your users of your ROM are without those security, bug fixes and optimizations, and multiply that by all the other pieces of the ROM that you cherry picked from other sources.
My point here to be clear is that due to the nature of your ROM, it will always lag in patches to security issues, bug fixes and optimizations and I think that is ultimately a disservice to your user base.
There is a value that you create, so I guess the question here is, does that value of bringing all these pieces into one convenient package outweigh the negatives of the lagging patches/fixes?
I mean no offense, and I hope this isn't taken as such, I just want to encourage some discourse on these things...

"original" development

I thought that this section was unique crap for Galaxy S2. Looks like we will have same **** soon.

anonymous572 said:
I thought that this section was unique crap for Galaxy S2. Looks like we will have same **** soon.
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huh?

im yet to see what this section is for too

panyan said:
im yet to see what this section is for too
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Yea ive seen it on other sections before, But I dont fully understand it

What the hell is 'original development' ??
What is the current development ? Un original ?
whats with the need to add un-necessary sub sections ? It just fuels confusion

Maybe "original" means "real". So there will be a chance to distinguish between cloning/adding/tweaking from development

Do we need / want it ?? I think we should open up a poll and pass the results on to the mod(s)
We had a similar thing in the HTC One S forums, Where they added a subsection for Tmobile Versions, It was totally un-needed as there were no differences between the 2 devices. We made a poll and the section got removed.
Sometimes these things do more bad than good, As if the flashing procedure isnt difficult enough already, What with the brickbug and all that.
If you think its a good idea to remove it, Ill open a poll before the section gets full with stuff.

Why not wait a little bit and see what it should be used for?
One Mod will explain sooner or later...

lets just hope its something useful

Is it so hard to understand? All stuff about original roms goes in there.

What do you mean Original ROMs ? Things like Stock TW ROMs ? Or does that include Custom ROMs too ?
Only in the SGS2 threads the 'original' section is full of custom ROMs and kernels too.
I mean this device is almost 12months old, We've survived without it.
Im just old fashioned Change freaks me out

Confusing?
Hate It?
Simply Don't Open It

anonymous572 said:
I thought that this section was unique crap for Galaxy S2. Looks like we will have same **** soon.
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wish you could enlighten us on how it was a unique crap and a **** for s2 then?

original = stock = cooked roms
the other thread will be for "really" developed roms i.e, aokp/aosp/cm9 variants

So if some one builds a ROM based on Cynogen Mod from scratch..will it be in original section or since its from CM it will be in Development
btw this was the rule posted there
The following are most likely “Original Development”:
Official releases of highly original and upstream custom ROMs (built from the ground up with significant original development within them
Official releases/development of such original ROMs, perhaps posted by the maintainer or their nominated person.
A significant “first” in development for a device. Significant is subjective, but it is likely something which took considerable time/effort, and is generally accepted by developers to be significant and non-trivial.
Kernels which are built with beneficial changes that are not simply pulled from other kernels already available. Some element of original work is expected.
Tools and utilities with a clear purpose, and which are well-made, and useful to users. They should have an element of originality, either in purpose or through significant improvement in the means of operation.
Significant port of a ROM from one device to another, giving enhanced features or functionality to users of the target device. The port should be beneficial (a port from two virtually identical devices isn’t original development, it’s winzipping, and nobody really benefits from this, as it’s not development)
The following are most likely not “Original Development”, and should be posted in the “Android Development” subforum:
Your own “unofficial” stock build of your favourite original, source-built (or otherwise) ROM, particularly where an official or maintainer-endorsed thread exists already.
Minor derivatives of other ROMs with little or no changes, or ROMs consisting of “placebo” features as a main constituent or claim.
Renames or rebadges of others’ work – these don’t belong on XDA at all! Refer to rule 12 for more information.
Reposts of existing ROMs with small changes (i.e. kitchen work, such as adding a couple of apps). If you could realistically distribute your changes as an “addon pack” above and beyond a ROM, you should do so. In addition, your “ROM” would not be original development as it would be substantially identical to the original ROM.
A thread created with unrealistic goals that are clearly unachievable by those starting the thread. This is not intended to discourage high aspirations, rather to prevent threads porting Windows Phone 8 to the HTC Wallaby. This is pretty much common sense.
A ROM where a main or significant claim/feature is graphical changes to the user interface (ie. Themed ROM)

i get the idea to separate the genuine development from the WinZip one, but it may not be that easy in practice to distinguish those lying somewhere in between

See Here
XDA, the moderators and the powers that be.... have been wrestling with trying to differentiate the Difference between the Code-writing Development and the Quasi-developers that use rom cooking tools.
To that end we will be going through the development threads in the next couple of weeks and moving the appropriate threads that meet the original code requirement to be placed in this new forum.
Please bear in mind that this is a "Work in Progress" and will take a bit of time to hone and perfect what goes where.
Also, please understand that this does not mean that some developers are on some special pedestal. That is not the case.
I will use an analogy to explain:
A music composer writes an original piece of music. The music composition may be awesome... but his performance of it, may not.
Such often is the case in developers..... often someone comes up with a awesome idea or new code application, but it often ends up being perfected by the use of others putting their creative spin on it.
That is the beauty of The Android Platform and ....XDA provides a fertile field for all to share ideas and collectively improve our experience
I hope this clarifys the potential questions
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At the end of the day everything is built from something else but what they are getting at is ROMs that are just other roms with maybe a new theme and tweaks taken from else where would just be in the normal development.
But if you came up with something new and different (not just a rehash of other peoples work) then it should go in original development

Now its starting to make sense, well ive always reverted to one particular rom (cleanote) so i guess i wont be affected.
maybe its for the best, there are a lot of similar roms out there so it might make life easier.
Im still adapting to the new xda theme, any more change after this and i might self destruct.

Want me to start a poll?
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azzledazzle said:
Now its starting to make sense, well ive always reverted to one particular rom (cleanote) so i guess i wont be affected.
maybe its for the best, there are a lot of similar roms out there so it might make life easier.
Im still adapting to the new xda theme, any more change after this and i might self destruct.
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Want me to start a poll?
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It makes alot of sense, will make it easy to find new and 'bigger' development work against the small tweaked roms which while important are starting to fill up the forum
It was tested in the S2 forums and has been rolling out XDA wide so theres not alot a poll will do, in honour of the hitch hikers guide of the galaxy, the plans have been on show for quite some time, if you can’t be bothered to take an interest in local affairs, that’s your own lookout.

Ultimate Rom Requirement specification thread

Hello Guys,
This is my first post on XDA forum because I'm new here. I didn't post any threads till now because I didn't want to spam the forum with any unwanted thread or duplicate ones, but I have tried many Roms and I already knew some really cool and helpful guys like Jader, Mechmetal and Bestttt :fingers-crossed:
I used to work as a software engineer, but currently i'm working as a software quality control engineer.
and as I said earlier I have tried many Roms and I also have found lots of bugs and enhancements required.
I wanted to post comments but sadly I'm not allowed to because terms and conditions stated that I can't comment unless I post at least 10 threads :crying:
Anyway, I just wanted to suggest something,
I suggest organizing a thread for something like a requirement sheet for each Rom, speaking about myself I installed lots of roms but I removed it again because it has less customizations , or it doesn't have a built in application that I really want or it has another one I don't like (ex: toggles) while it had been a fast and stable one.
so why don't we find a way to collect the requirements of the users installing JB Roms, and ICS roms so the developers can put their effort in two really cool and helpful roms to have most of our needs:good:
It was just a suggestion
I'm have Xperia Arc [lt15i] with AOKP M1 - Fusion Kernel 3.9

Given how many ROMs there are, along with the fact that everyone's different this is a fruitless task, and why I learned to mod myself. You also can't expect Devs/Themers to cater for every last persons requirements.
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XperienceD said:
Given how many ROMs there are, along with the fact that everyone's different this is a fruitless task, and why I learned to mod myself. You also can't expect Devs/Themers to cater for every last persons requirements.
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Yes, Sure I get what you mean, it's so exhaustive
I meant something like Bug reporting technique, issues or enhancements with priorities and severity.
Anyways it was just a suggestion
Thanks anyway

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Anyways it was just a suggestion
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Which are always good, but like I've said we're all different and what you may like in a ROM I might not so what you might call a "requirement" I might call a gimmick.
Also, you don't need to start 10 threads to post in Development, you just need to make 10, preferably helpful posts elsewhere.

XperienceD said:
Which are always good, but like I've said we're all different and what you may like in a ROM I might not so what you might call a "requirement" I might call a gimmick.
Also, you don't need to start 10 threads to post in Development, you just need to make 10, preferably helpful posts elsewhere.
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I didn't start 10 threads to post in the Development section, I downloaded and tried most of the Roms in the development section,
The number of posts near my name are just replies
plus, my posts in the development sections are not requests , so I could still use it normally since I registered on XDA without the need to comment
Thanks anyway it was just an Idea that I thought about and I just wanted to share.

I have tested many JB Based Roms/ Kernels if you have created modded one where WiFi / WiFi Tethering is Stable and working I would be much obliged of having and Using it on my phone ... The best Rom / Kernel I have tried so far has been LuPus V4 Kernel with CAMPS Rom but unfortunately like all the rest WiFi Tethering has been insignificant and unusable Where as I have to constantly downgrade back to JellySandwich / Ark Knight Combo (ICS) Untill there's been a fix ... So There's are my 2 needs hope that helps with your conquest in making a Universal Rom

Mod ur own rom and rule the world because no developer will ever work to create a rom as per ur convince
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kaushikpasi said:
Mod ur own rom and rule the world because no developer will ever work to create a rom as per ur convince
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Would love to but don't know how too so just enjoying other people's work. Testing and using them all till I find a good which I have done atm which runs extremely well
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xda devs mate already organized the threads.. also we got good moderators... this is a free forum.. you need to earn the recognized developr to gain the reputation.. or other title.. theres no instant here... show off your works and get recognized.
if you can fix some bugs.. you can contribute in developing the roms.. btw welcome...
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Asking Someone to Create a Jellybean ROM for Note 10.1

As you know, Jellybean has released worldwide. Now there are marked differences between the leaked version (slightly more features although more buggy) and the official release.
I'd like someone to develop one which incorporates some of the features left out of the official release and more. I realise the gravity of this request and it will require the skill of some of the best developers here.
The features I'd like are as follows:
The stock Touchwiz Jellybean etc with the addition of;
The ability to do split screen for third party apps, screen recording (with the option of including voice), flash, ability to rearrange mini apps to fit as 3 or 4 windows layout on a single screen see 3:27 on kingdenzel92's youtube video "Galaxy Note 10.1 (N8000) Jelly Bean Leak In-Depth Review N8000DDALI1". Youtube being incorporated into the video player so this can be moved around (this was in the Jellybean leak), make sure the switch is there which allows you to change between eraser in S-Note.
No messing around with other stock apps, or changing themes please.
Only the greatest of developers can achieve this task.
Thanks,
NASSAfellow.

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As you know, Jellybean has released worldwide. Now there are marked differences between the leaked version (slightly more features although more buggy) and the official release.
I'd like someone to develop one which incorporates some of the features left out of the official release and more. I realise the gravity of this request and it will require the skill of some of the best developers here.
The features I'd like are as follows:
The stock Touchwiz Jellybean etc with the addition of;
The ability to do split screen for third party apps, screen recording (with the option of including voice), flash, ability to rearrange mini apps to fit as 3 or 4 windows layout on a single screen see 3:27 on kingdenzel92's youtube video "Galaxy Note 10.1 (N8000) Jelly Bean Leak In-Depth Review N8000DDALI1". Youtube being incorporated into the video player so this can be moved around (this was in the Jellybean leak), make sure the switch is there which allows you to change between eraser in S-Note.
No messing around with other stock apps, or changing themes please.
Only the greatest of developers can achieve this task.
Thanks,
NASSAfellow.
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... Not sure if joking
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Lol.

I'd like someone to give me a million dollars... will it happen? Hell no.. I don't get people. If you want something and its not be offered by the community then learn to do it yourself and stop expecting everyone to do things for you. If you don't know how then do like the rest of us do and learn on your own. People need to take initiative instead of expecting to be spoon fed everything.
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nassafellow said:
As you know, Jellybean has released worldwide. Now there are marked differences between the leaked version (slightly more features although more buggy) and the official release.
I'd like someone to develop one which incorporates some of the features left out of the official release and more. I realise the gravity of this request and it will require the skill of some of the best developers here.
The features I'd like are as follows:
The stock Touchwiz Jellybean etc with the addition of;
The ability to do split screen for third party apps, screen recording (with the option of including voice), flash, ability to rearrange mini apps to fit as 3 or 4 windows layout on a single screen see 3:27 on kingdenzel92's youtube video "Galaxy Note 10.1 (N8000) Jelly Bean Leak In-Depth Review N8000DDALI1". Youtube being incorporated into the video player so this can be moved around (this was in the Jellybean leak), make sure the switch is there which allows you to change between eraser in S-Note.
No messing around with other stock apps, or changing themes please.
Only the greatest of developers can achieve this task.
Thanks,
NASSAfellow.
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It should also turn my stylus into a magic wand and my stereo speakers into 5.1 surround sound. Lets also not forget that it must turn my capacitive screen into a solar panel to sustain itself indefinitely without worrying about running out of battery power.
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This is a joke right?
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I used to call myself noob until I found this thread......
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I have no idea why you guys are so cynical.
This guy has given great ideas to create a great rom.
Yes, it requires a lot of skill and time to accomplish such thing, what doesn't? But it's not impossible, and it would be freakin' awesome.
Currently all i see in our development section are same roms with same functionality, just with different themes.(except CM of course)
There is no way i'm switching from stock, because there is nothing better, but if what he describes existed...

The real Joke is that stock 8013 is still ICS.
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There's nothing wrong with a "please build me a ROM" request as such, however I wouldn't expect anyone to pickup the gauntlet from a random post in the general section.
You'd be far better off installing one of the current crop of JB ROMS and then making specific requests in that thread, you may find that some of the current crop have most of the features you require anyway.

Nikoloz17 said:
I have no idea why you guys are so cynical.
This guy has given great ideas to create a great rom.
Yes, it requires a lot of skill and time to accomplish such thing, what doesn't? But it's not impossible, and it would be freakin' awesome.
Currently all i see in our development section are same roms with same functionality, just with different themes.(except CM of course)
There is no way i'm switching from stock, because there is nothing better, but if what he describes existed...
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No one said they weren't good ideas (or bad ones) The problem is this is a development community. It's not a ROM requesting forum. This forum was created for DEVELOPERS to come share ideas, mods, etc.. It was not created to serve the end user. It was not created for people to come requesting things. It is here for people who want to LEARN to make their devices better.. Not expect/request people to do it for them. I knew NOTHING about android 2 years ago and if I had this mentality I would still be a noob that didn't know anything but yet expected others to do it for me. If people are constantly spoon fed things then why should they learn? There are guys that have been using android a lot longer time than me yet I know tons more then they do.. Why? Because I read, I learned, I put in my time. I didn't just go around requesting whatever I wanted. If there was something I wanted and it was not offered by the community I LEARNED how to do it myself and this community gave me the knowledge to learn on my own.
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There's nothing wrong with a "please build me a ROM" .
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Actually you're wrong. It's very wrong to come to a development community and ask people to do things for you. Now if the OP actually wanted to learn something instead of being spoon fed, then there is nothing wrong with that. But to come to a development community where devs work for free and be like "I want someone to build me a rom that does A, B and C, now someone build it for me" Is just bad form and bad taste. If you want something that the community doesn't offer LEARN to do it yourself instead of imposing on others to do it for you

Too true graffixnyc and one of the reasons I stopped releasing roms on xda a while ago .
Too many people demanding ****e without any respect for the sheer amount of effort involved by people donating their spare time.
I always have been keen to encourage and support others to learn, but some people think that they don't need to contribute other than through criticism.
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Basically what people are possibly trying to say is that, xda is a community of developers who share their work amongst us little people, not Burger King where you can have it your way.
Point, requesting a new feature in a ROM for a Dev you support is one thing, but this thread is no good.
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The guy said just the idea to see if someone could create it but yes that ain't gon happen but put a 100$ bounty then devs will make it happen lol money talks!
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The Dev section is for development. There's nothing wrong with making a request for something you can't do yourself. He's not demanding anything. If your not talented enough to do it let alone try you shouldn't even be responding to this thread
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fards said:
Too true graffixnyc and one of the reasons I stopped releasing roms on xda a while ago .
Too many people demanding ****e without any respect for the sheer amount of effort involved by people donating their spare time.
I always have been keen to encourage and support others to learn, but some people think that they don't need to contribute other than through criticism.
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cool story bro

Opinions Anyone?

Hi All!
First, I would like to thank everyone here at XDA for helping me into the world of ROMs. I've barely scraped the surface and already love the whole process. A BIG thanks to the devs! I can't believe how much work they put into these things and then throw them up here for free (donations hardly account for the time and effort).
So anyways, on to the topic.
I have tested out a few roms but I am still hesitant to flash too hastily. I was wondering if anyone has tried a few of the AOSP varient roms (PA 3+, Slim Beam, AOKP Task650, PAC and CM 10.1) and which is providing the best battery life while remaining nimble. I am currently running PA 3+ and I am in love with Pie and Halo. I am aware that Halo is open source. I don't want to, but I could let go of Pie. So any ideas? I own a SGH-I337.
Again thanks XDA!
Cheers
Cody

ceichel said:
Hi All!
First, I would like to thank everyone here at XDA for helping me into the world of ROMs. I've barely scraped the surface and already love the whole process. A BIG thanks to the devs! I can't believe how much work they put into these things and then throw them up here for free (donations hardly account for the time and effort).
So anyways, on to the topic.
I have tested out a few roms but I am still hesitant to flash too hastily. I was wondering if anyone has tried a few of the AOSP varient roms (PA 3+, Slim Beam, AOKP Task650, PAC and CM 10.1) and which is providing the best battery life while remaining nimble. I am currently running PA 3+ and I am in love with Pie and Halo. I am aware that Halo is open source. I don't want to, but I could let go of Pie. So any ideas? I own a SGH-I337.
Again thanks XDA!
Cheers
Cody
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My two favorites have always been Task650's aokp and PA 3+
Task's ROMs have always been good to me on speed, stability, and battery life.. I have had mixed results depending on the device with PA 3+.. I tested PA 3.56 the other day but I'm waiting to flash again till a few more updates hit then we'll see
I'm currently on a touchwiz rom basically for the camera and ir blaster but again if I was going run aosp again (which I'm sure I will lol ) it will be one of those 2
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rcklss1 said:
My two favorites have always been Task650's aokp and PA 3+
Task's ROMs have always been good to me on speed, stability, and battery life.. I have had mixed results depending on the device with PA 3+.. I tested PA 3.56 the other day but I'm waiting to flash again till a few more updates hit then we'll see
I'm currently on a touchwiz rom basically for the camera and ir blaster but again if I was going run aosp again (which I'm sure I will lol ) it will be one of those 2
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Awesome! Thanks for the quick reply. AOKP is the top runner of ROMs I wanted to try next. Is the battery life or performance noticeably better than PA 3+?
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ceichel said:
Awesome! Thanks for the quick reply. AOKP is the top runner of ROMs I wanted to try next. Is the battery life or performance noticeably better than PA 3+?
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I'm not sure on the newer PA as I ran the first release for the s4 but I get about 13hrs from tasks aokp and around 15 hours on touchwiz ROM.. So for me I still consider that good but you'll have to see for yourself.. Every chip and every users use is different.. Also make sure you run each ROM you try for a few days.. Kernels take a few days to really settle in and start giving you optimum battery life
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rcklss1 said:
I'm not sure on the newer PA as I ran the first release for the s4 but I get about 13hrs from tasks aokp and around 15 hours on touchwiz ROM.. So for me I still consider that good but you'll have to see for yourself.. Every chip and every users use is different.. Also make sure you run each ROM you try for a few days.. Kernels take a few days to really settle in and start giving you optimum battery life
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Thanks! Anyone else try CM 10.1 or slim beam?
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ceichel said:
Thanks! Anyone else try CM 10.1 or slim beam?
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Many people have tried them. Read the threads and test them out. It all comes down to personal preference, which is why these types of threads are not allowed.
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plwalsh88 said:
Many people have tried them. Read the threads and test them out. It all comes down to personal preference, which is why these types of threads are not allowed.
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Oh. Sorry. Didn't see that in the thread rules. As I said I'm still a little nervous to flash hastily. /killthread
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ceichel said:
Oh. Sorry. Didn't see that in the thread rules. As I said I'm still a little nervous to flash hastily. /killthread
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The only way to calm those nerves is to just read read read. And then bite the bullet and flash. You'll realize how easy it is once you actually understand what you're doing and not just listening to "customer reviews".
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ceichel said:
Thanks! Anyone else try CM 10.1 or slim beam?
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I've got CM 10.1 running on mine and I like it. A few things I miss over stock but I'm sure they will be brought back. Although with the newest nightly release I am not having any trouble anymore. Battery life is pretty on par with stock, I'm sure I could adjust settings but I am still getting used to it. Reminds me of more of a computer setup which I like. Oh and I did a few tweaks on it and when connected to good internet it is lightning fast on the download/browser side and just fast and smooth in general.
As far as flashing it, it was a piece of cake.

plwalsh88 said:
Many people have tried them. Read the threads and test them out. It all comes down to personal preference, which is why these types of threads are not allowed.
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i, for one, look for these type of threads if i've been away a while and want to find out what roms are most stable/popular right now. i never understood why this question was so taboo around here. not everyone wants to or has the time to read pages upon pages before we flash.
thank you to all the devs/testers/members for always making this such an amazing place

Dillsnik said:
i, for one, look for these type of threads if i've been away a while and want to find out what roms are most stable/popular right now. i never understood why this question was so taboo around here. not everyone wants to or has the time to read pages upon pages before we flash.
thank you to all the devs/testers/members for always making this such an amazing place
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So you don't have the time to read through a thread regarding a ROM that a dev took the time to make for you, but you have plenty of time to go and flash it? What a way to thank them that is. Cause saying "thank you to all the devs" is a cop out. And ending a post like that with that sentence is just a slap in the face to every one of those individuals.
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Dillsnik said:
i, for one, look for these type of threads if i've been away a while and want to find out what roms are most stable/popular right now. i never understood why this question was so taboo around here. not everyone wants to or has the time to read pages upon pages before we flash.
thank you to all the devs/testers/members for always making this such an amazing place
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If there were hundreds of ROMs available for each device, I could understand allowing these type of threads. The simple fact is with only a (relatively) small selection, the debate of "which ROM is better" is just so independent of user habits and preferences that they really hold no merit. Look at how long the "Ford or Chevy" debate has been going on.... If you're looking for a ROM that has specific features such as PIE, or Halo; that just lowers the number of available ROMs pretty drastically. How time-consuming is it to read a ROM's OP, which usually shows known bugs, and then test-drive a few of the ROMs to see which you prefer? With the right apps, it shouldn't take more than 5 or 10 minutes to have a clean-flashed ROM feeling like you've been using it for days. As for rooted/stock TW, look at the mods that are included. If it looks appealing, try it out. The amount of ROMs available with specific features relative to other ROMs is so small that it really shouldn't take more than a week to determine which ROM(s) you prefer; battery life not withstanding. Notice I didn't say which one would become your daily driver or favorite As for battery life, user's definition of "heavy use" differs pretty greatly. I personally put my phone through some "heavy use" today; almost 2 hours screen-on time. To someone else that would be classified as moderate, etc.
My advice, which really doesn't amount to much of anything, but still.... pick your ROM the same as you would pick your device; which choice provides (in good working condition) the features I want most? Second choice would be "Out of the ROMs which provide the specific features I want, from which ROM did I notice the best battery life?"

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So you don't have the time to read through a thread regarding a ROM that a dev took the time to make for you, but you have plenty of time to go and flash it? What a way to thank them that is. Cause saying "thank you to all the devs" is a cop out. And ending a post like that with that sentence is just a slap in the face to every one of those individuals.
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not sure why you're so sensitive about this buddy....
you have to understand that not all of us are on the same level here. i have been a member of this community for 7 years now...longer than many. but i can't keep up with probably 90% of the users on this board. for me, i am just never going to be able to keep up to date on everything currently going on in dev world. It takes me MANY hours when i come back to the board to find something out, flash a rom, pick a new phone, etc. i just do not have time to really read through every thread on every rom i am considering. i'm not a high enough user or up to date enough that when i read about one phone has from another i will understand what is different. so the only way i can really "get" what is a good rom, is by reading in a thread like this. call my praise a cop out, but i do appreciate this community and it's dev's more than you know, and i don't feel reading a 100 page thread is the way to show appreciation.

I completely understand both sides of this argument. I think we should respect the devs whole heartily. But what's the matter with getting some personal opinions from a few other users? Maybe create a thread specifically from ROM reviews. I have done a considerable amount of reading and as I said I feel that I have barely scratched the surface. This is a process with a steep learning curve and I believe it should be a main purpose of a forum devoted to android and development that people should be able to ask other users their opinion. I will not create part such as this any more because it is not allowed, but I do not see the harm.
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you said one word in your post that is exactly the type of word that i think is why people do NOT like these kinds of threads: REVIEWS.
and i get that. all of these devs work hard and they put a lot of themselves out there for the world....to potentially be judged, to some extent, by noobs like us, that don't know any better, and couldn't do any better. And yes, some devs are ahead of others, but this forum has always been gracious and respectful to ALL devs and all dev work. And i have seen threads with polls of which users use which rom, and i think having some roms out there to just be judged, bashed, or ignored, is partly why the community disapproves of any thread that might "discuss" a which ROM is best type of conversation. I think there is a way to do it and still be very helpful to some, and more importantly, respectful to all.

ceichel said:
I completely understand both sides of this argument. I think we should respect the devs whole heartily. But what's the matter with getting some personal opinions from a few other users? Maybe create a thread specifically from ROM reviews. I have done a considerable amount of reading and as I said I feel that I have barely scratched the surface. This is a process with a steep learning curve and I believe it should be a main purpose of a forum devoted to android and development that people should be able to ask other users their opinion. I will not create part such as this any more because it is not allowed, but I do not see the harm.
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A thread which reviews different ROMs sounds good in theory. A one-stop place to quickly scan through the pro's and con's of each ROM and read what other users are saying about each ROM does seem like a good idea. But think of 2 weeks from now; when most every ROM has posted an updated version, merged new changes, fixed certain bugs, introduced new bugs, and added new features. Within a month's time it would become so cluttered and disjointed that new members/device owners would just post a new thread asking the same exact question because it's faster than reading through 100 pages of the original topic. A ROM review thread would almost certainly be just like each individual ROM's development thread put into one place. Way too long to read, one user complaining, a handful echoing the complaint, another handful giving praise, etc.
On an unrelated note, if I remember correctly, there is a thread here on the AT&T side saying something like "Noob friendly, no question too stupid" or something. Instead of posting new threads about the same tiresome topics, why not find a relevant thread and post the question there? Example: if you want clarification on how to root your device, post it in an already established rooting thread. If you want to know which recovery is best or suggestions on what ROM to flash, try a noob-friendly "ask any question" thread.

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A thread which reviews different ROMs sounds good in theory. A one-stop place to quickly scan through the pro's and con's of each ROM and read what other users are saying about each ROM does seem like a good idea. But think of 2 weeks from now; when most every ROM has posted an updated version, merged new changes, fixed certain bugs, introduced new bugs, and added new features. Within a month's time it would become so cluttered and disjointed that new members/device owners would just post a new thread asking the same exact question because it's faster than reading through 100 pages of the original topic. A ROM review thread would almost certainly be just like each individual ROM's development thread put into one place. Way too long to read, one user complaining, a handful echoing the complaint, another handful giving praise, etc.
On an unrelated note, if I remember correctly, there is a thread here on the AT&T side saying something like "Noob friendly, no question too stupid" or something. Instead of posting new threads about the same tiresome topics, why not find a relevant thread and post the question there? Example: if you want clarification on how to root your device, post it in an already established rooting thread. If you want to know which recovery is best or suggestions on what ROM to flash, try a noob-friendly "ask any question" thread.
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Well said. I'll check out the mentioned thread. Thanks!
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ceichel said:
Thanks! Anyone else try CM 10.1 or slim beam?
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Love slimbean loyal user ran it on my last 3 devices use it current very stable if u like the smaller DPI like I do its great and never seen a bug that wasn't an upstream issue
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