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This is a video i made on how to unlock bootloader, install recovery cwm upgrade pretty much the whole process of going from 2.2.2 to 2.3.4 the quality isnt the greatest but it will do it took me reflashing my phone so i dont want any *****ing cause i didnt have to do this.
Credit to all developers who were mentioned, work was used or helped. None of this is my work i simply put together a detailed video guide around 30 minutes lol.
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBdrp8_pRdI
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ-mnJrwzSI
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgjyrAXNGAc
hope this helps!
DONT FORGET TO THANK ME!
If there are any issues, easier ways of doing this or questions dont hesitate to let me know!
Although the official update is out this rom will allow you to flash back to stock for any reason and it has an unlcoked bootloader, at the moment i recomend it over the official ota
thanks for your efforts.
keep up the good work and do post screen shots also.
Will post screenshots now
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some more screen shots
Thx! Great guide
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Pizzaapu said:
Thx! Great guide
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your welcome! push the thanks button lol
Great!
Thanks
but i'm still having the issue that AT&T Kernel from 4.5.91 freezes my touchscreen completely :-(
So as of right now, you HAVE to unlock the bootloader in order to install GB ROMs correct?
noguefr said:
Great!
Thanks
but i'm still having the issue that AT&T Kernel from 4.5.91 freezes my touchscreen completely :-(
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when does it freeze, do you open a specific app on boot up? details so that i can be of as much help as possible
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So as of right now, you HAVE to unlock the bootloader in order to install GB ROMs correct?
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yes to my knowledge because you need the newest cwm which only works with an unlocked boot loader if anyone knows other wise please illuminate me to this as i would like to make a new guide
edit: actually i believe you can sbf the leaked ota from motorolla but not many people are doing this because if you try to revert to stock it hard bricks so this is the only way if u want to go back to 1.26 or 1.83 without a brick.
Wow, amazing work. Thanks for putting so much effort in!
I just got at AT&T Atrix that comes with 4.1.52, Froyo 2.2.1. Is the procedure going to be the same at this?
Thanks again.
modman21 said:
Wow, amazing work. Thanks for putting so much effort in!
I just got at AT&T Atrix that comes with 4.1.52, Froyo 2.2.1. Is the procedure going to be the same at this?
Thanks again.
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it is the same procedure once you ota to 1.83 im not sure if it will work on previous versions also this is only for att
edit: your welcome im glad to see people needed and appreciate it
thanks for the hand here.
In fact, after wipe/reboot immediatly after system is up, the touchscreen and volume buttons don't respond at all, the only button responding is the power button....
That's weird did you have any mods installed before this?
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noguefr said:
thanks for the hand here.
In fact, after wipe/reboot immediatly after system is up, the touchscreen and volume buttons don't respond at all, the only button responding is the power button....
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are you on an att atrix if so make sure you start fromSTOCK and that you do not unzip the update if this doesnt work try one of the other roms same process should work as long as they are zips that install through cwm if still no luck flash to stock and send ur atrix in as a touchscreen malfunction its covered under waranty
Couple Questions:
I have Gingerblur installed on 4.1.83, how do I go back to stock 4.1.83?
Does this procedure also root 4.5.91 or is that done separately?
Thanks
To go back to stock there is a zip in the themes section I believe that will revert or you can SBF back to stock
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MOD please link this in the how to's there doesnt need to be any more threads asking for a guide i will be updating soon and adding a video on how to sbf back and upgrade but for now the 50+ threads asking for a guide will find this sufficient.
If I install a CustomROM now, can I run an OTA upgrade when it becomes available? (I've got stock 4.1.83)
I'm just a bit scared to upgrade to CustomROM and become stucked to only other future CustomROMs.
You can't not directly from the custom Rom but you CAN sbf back to stock and it's update
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I come from the HTC Incredible, just trying to help out a friend.
I successfully rooted his Impulse using super one click, and installed CWM recovery just fine for the U8800-51. Next I was planning on installing a custom ROM and kernel, but it appears there are none for the U8800-51 correct? Because it is just ever so slightly different that if you flash a U8800 ROM it can/will brick it.
I don't believe it's a "pro" because it still has the MSM7230 @ 800MHz.
So, question is, are there any that support the U8800-51? I've searched around, and didn't find any. So I assume there isn't. Just making sure I didn't miss anything. This Huawei is quite different from the HTC devices I'm used to.
There is no custom rom as of right now.. We have been discussing here
Code:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1296485
ericrcan said:
There is no custom rom as of right now.. We have been discussing here
Code:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1296485
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Alright, that's what I thought. Thanks for the reply.
I think he's going to go back to the store and exchange it for an HTC Inspire anyway.
Gingerbread For U8800-51
So, i flashed this rom update from Huawei, and it did not work (many have said this). A side-effect of this is that now, i cannot take it back or update to another rom, because i am unable to root this phone due to the e: drive not showing up when i go into recovery mode. Can anyone help with this??
I have:
ATT Impulse 4g aka U8800-51
Gingerbread 2.3.5 from Huawei
Thanks!
thefrkshw said:
So, i flashed this rom update from Huawei, and it did not work (many have said this). A side-effect of this is that now, i cannot take it back or update to another rom, because i am unable to root this phone due to the e: drive not showing up when i go into recovery mode. Can anyone help with this??
I have:
ATT Impulse 4g aka U8800-51
Gingerbread 2.3.5 from Huawei
Thanks!
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Which ROM updatE?
Doyou have any bugs or non-working hardware? (wifi, bt, 3g, etc..)
Huawei blocked the pinkscreen for 2.3.5 official roms
U8800-51 rom
I found this copy of CM7 searching the web. It says its for the U8800pro, I've installed it on my U8800-51. Everything works so far but the only trouble I'm having is it reboots when I lock the screen??? Can anyone help? I'm not a developer, so if lamest terms can be used I would appreciate it. Also I take no credit for this ROM, credit goes to Genokolar.
20120107-cm-7.1.0-u8800pro-Geno-en.zip
iTzPeters said:
I found this copy of CM7 searching the web. It says its for the U8800pro, I've installed it on my U8800-51. Everything works so far but the only trouble I'm having is it reboots when I lock the screen??? Can anyone help? I'm not a developer, so if lamest terms can be used I would appreciate it. Also I take no credit for this ROM, credit goes to Genokolar.
20120107-cm-7.1.0-u8800pro-Geno-en.zip
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To eliminate the random reboots u have to flash official U8800pro Gingerbread update, but u may lose 3G (im using MIUI 2.1.20 in my U8800-51, and in Chile with the U8800pro baseband we lose the 3G, dunno in USA, in Brazil they dont have this "bug").
Moved To Q&A
Thank you.
Can you put a link up for the Gingerbread update for the U8800pro? Also, is this OK to use on U8800-51(AT&T Impulse 4G)? And would I just flash it like normal with CWM Recovery?
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we are stuck for right now
all the AT&T phones (u8800-51) that tried gingerbread made a mistake.
there are many problems with it. network, wifi, bluetooth etc.
We are all waiting on a true u8800-51 root to take us to stock 2.2.2
there is one going around now but it is a non AT&T u8800pro rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1367633
lots of us are having the same problem, but it will be resolved soon.
So for right now just enjoy the beautiful yet useless ginger bread
and we will find an original u8800-51 Impluse 4g rom soon.
teckis said:
all the AT&T phones (u8800-51) that tried gingerbread made a mistake.
there are many problems with it. network, wifi, bluetooth etc.
We are all waiting on a true u8800-51 root to take us to stock 2.2.2
there is one going around now but it is a non AT&T u8800pro rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1367633
lots of us are having the same problem, but it will be resolved soon.
So for right now just enjoy the beautiful yet useless ginger bread
and we will find an original u8800-51 Impluse 4g rom soon.
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Hi, there is a rom from genokolar, it is kinda old CM7.1, you can have 3g, only issue I founded is camera doesn't work...
Well, its something
ROM: http://dl.dbank.com/c0yll296ev#
pacmanman said:
Hi, there is a rom from genokolar, it is kinda old CM7.1, you can have 3g, only issue I founded is camera doesn't work...
Well, its something
ROM: http://dl.dbank.com/c0yll296ev#
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I flashed the rom you linked and you do not get 3G on the U8800-H1. I tried forcing 3G and it wouldn't work.
I seemed to have flashed a completely different dload folder onto my impulse 4g and i get stuck at the att splash image. if anyone would happen to have the STOCK dload or update if they can post it herre it would be great. i searched all around but couldnt find it
It's here.
i NEED help
ok heres what i did i wanted to upgrade my phone to the newest version GB 2.3.4.So what i did was download the update and i followed the installation steps i successfully updated to Gb 2.3.4. so like i was checking how it look and the new feature but when i wanted to go on the android market i went to setting and turn on the wifi and it said Error and then i tried the Bluetooth and it said Error also so then i put my SIMs card in and i was like imma use DATA then and when i restarted my phone it had service but no HSPA+ or Edge or GPRS so like i just hatted my phone from their so then i was trying to root it but iddnt know how to do that so like i read this website and i got the UPDATE.APP or 2.2.2 AT&T did the same steps of the installation of BG 2.3.4 and it went to the process and 1/2 stepp good it passed and then 2/2 also passed it installed it and when it said Successively Installed it said Restarting and the scrren turn of and it vibrated and thats all that happened and i left it like that for the whole days and nothing happened
Do u got any idea?
When i connect it to my laptop it says installing drivers .then its says sucesfully installed drivers ready to use. so then i got to Device Manger and i check what has been installed and their it said USB Human interface device and HID-compliant device WHAT DOES THAT MEAN??
i fist installed the GB 2.3.4 {U8800V100R001C00B518G001} but i did not like it and i installed this ROM {V100R001C00B138SP04CUSTC185D002} thats 2.2.2
ok i found a download that claims to be the new gingerbread miui for impulse 4g users had one tester said its working great on his impulse so i want more testers to confirm it and make a guide for everyone send me your email and ill give ya the link for the download
Gonna test it as soon as my u8800-51 comes in the mail...... shipped from a place about 2 and a half hours from here 3 days ago......... usps is a joke
Haha yea it is a joke
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yup there "tracking" is non exhistant and they take forever
Got it in today gonna test it sometime in the next couple days when i get time
Ok let me know how it goes
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will do
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I haven't had time to install and check out the ROM for my impulse yet. I'm just worried about 4g and wifi connectivity. With my job, having data service on my phone is a must. I know that was a problem with a different ROM for this phone... everything worked except for data and wifi. I guess I'm a little shy to try it as there have been reports of not being able to revert back to Froyo.
Well so far its working on on the first testers phone the second Guy said he is gonna do it when he gets a chance to check it out so hopefully his turns out good
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Useless Posts
Why do you guys even keep posting on here with useless information.... I keep
seeing the post over and over about the link to the GB download, and how it worked for 1 guy "who is HE ?" but you do not post the link up to the source.
Then somebody says "oh yeah, i am gonna try it later. will let you know how it goes"...... Then nobody ever posts back their progress. Some people come on here with a purpose of helping Dev's or other people to mod their phones.
If you are not going to follow through with your posts, or post useless information
with no links to what you are talking about..... DON'T POST anything at all.
Thanks,
D
When I try to downgrade to 2.2.2 I can't. It always fails at 2/2 Update. Any ideas?
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KayxGee1 said:
When I try to downgrade to 2.2.2 I can't. It always fails at 2/2 Update. Any ideas?
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The same is happening to me.. I cant downgrade.
skipped said:
The same is happening to me.. I cant downgrade.
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Isn't there suppose to be a second file in with the UPDATE file?
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KayxGee1 said:
Isn't there suppose to be a second file in with the UPDATE file?
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Edit: I did it! Download this file and first update step 1 and then step 2.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ncrnw95th9ekpae
(To start the upgrade I plugged in the phone without battery to the pc while pressing volume up and down)
Now, it is suppose to be downgraded, but it is not booting.. (just operator logo and reboots) but there is no bricking.. I am now trying to update another stock rom froyo posted in this forum.
Edit 2: Secondly, I installed http://www.mediafire.com/?kmh4qbd3v7dslc5 the same way, and its working! but it is u8800pro Froyo. But maybe we have more chances on getting 3g.
skipped said:
Edit: I did it! Download this file and first update step 1 and then step 2.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ncrnw95th9ekpae
(To start the upgrade I plugged in the phone without battery to the pc while pressing volume up and down)
Now, it is suppose to be downgraded, but it is not booting.. (just operator logo and reboots) but there is no bricking.. I am now trying to update another stock rom froyo posted in this forum.
Edit 2: Secondly, I installed http://www.mediafire.com/?kmh4qbd3v7dslc5 the same way, and its working! but it is u8800pro Froyo. But maybe we have more chances on getting 3g.
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That's great news that you actually downgraded. But EDGE is so painful.
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KayxGee1 said:
That's great news that you actually downgraded. But EDGE is so painful.
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I downloaded from a chinese web a stock rom for u8800pro with baseband 203026 (same as u8800-51). I flashed it, and then restored all using clockworkmod files from u8800-51 (also, I replaced all files in pink screen and put the original image files from u8800-51). It worked great! my phone is now u8800-51 froyo again. But I still got no 3g.. Can this be possible? I replaced every file! whats the problem then?
The u8800pro stock rom with u8800-51 baseband is here: http://dl.dbank.com/c0i0gctow9
Sorry if this is another useless post. Now I know I won't upgrade knowing that downgrading won't give you your 4g back. I really wish I could afford to get an Atrix. Thanks for the useful posts about downgrading.
Defy+ users from India here?
could you tell me which version of GB your phone came with and are there any updates?
Mine came with 2.3.4 and I've rooted it so i dunno if there are updates...help.
BreakShadow said:
Defy+ users from India here?
could you tell me which version of GB your phone came with and are there any updates?
Mine came with 2.3.4 and I've rooted it so i dunno if there are updates...help.
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Hi,
My phone came with the same version. It has DFP-189 SBF. You can update it to 2.3.6 by a full SBF flash. If you r phone is fully stock(no root etc.) then you can do that by simply choosing the correct SBF(MB526.AsiaRetail.**.DFP-1321) and flashing it and you will be updated to 2.3.6. There is one another updated SBF (MB526.AsiaRetail.**.DFP231) which I currently have and has different lockscreen and caller UI. You can find all the SBF here . Try by just flashing the SBF and you will be updated and your data will be still there. However should you face any prob you will need to do a data wipe from stockrecovery
But before doing any of that you should know:
1.) The SBF with DFP-1321 has BL6(bootloader version) and thus you won't be able to use any CM made for Defy,will have to use CM builds for Defy+.
2.) The SBF with DFP-231 has BL7 and thus cannot be downgraded to any of the SBFs!! And most imp: You can't root it! Why am I using it? Because phone was in service center and they flashed this SBF!!! :'(
need sbf
anyone can provide me with DFP-891 asia retail sbf
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why do you need the 891 version?
Install 1321
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1386942
its my stock version,so need it before i start trying custom rom
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jackajay said:
its my stock version,so need it before i start trying custom rom
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You can without any harm flash DFP-1321 as well!! Since that also is an official release and can be used to go back to stock
I dont want go for 2.3.6 since i heard it wont support cm7,MIUI. Is there any possibility of finding DFP-891 asian retail SBF.
I have been using cm7 and not sure about miui but I think miui 4 beta 2 works
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jackajay said:
I dont want go for 2.3.6 since i heard it wont support cm7,MIUI. Is there any possibility of finding DFP-891 asian retail SBF.
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pranks and i use the same ROM,kernel etc...
CM 7.2 Nightlies for DEFY+ work just fine...you can't use any builds exclusive to 2.2 red lens kernel ever...but Defy+ builds.YES
thanx for the info,but i read in motorola forums that 2.3.6 has lot of issues. so reluctant to upgrade to 2.3.4 to 2.3.6. is it not possible to get DFP-891 Asian retail sbf?
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jackajay said:
thanx for the info,but i read in motorola forums that 2.3.6 has lot of issues. so reluctant to upgrade to 2.3.4 to 2.3.6. is it not possible to get DFP-891 Asian retail sbf?
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Keep searching. You may turn lucky... but there are many users here who has the 1321sbf! .. For me: no issues so far. Moreover there is a Chinese froyo with bl6! So should you feel like checking out defy builds for cm u can flash that too...
Warning: Chinese sbf may burn you're flash
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i am googling for couple of days but as u said i am only seeing 1321 build and no 891 build version.if u come across one pls let me know.
thanx a lot for ur info.
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jackajay said:
i am googling for couple of days but as u said i am only seeing 1321 build and no 891 build version.if u come across one pls let me know.
thanx a lot for ur info.
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Well I never came across any! That's the reason I myself flashed the 1321 version back then..!
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may anybody over here may help me with an SBF of dfp-231 asia retail...
antarix said:
may anybody over here may help me with an SBF of dfp-231 asia retail...
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You'll find it here.
Hi, the link for DFP-1321 SBF given in the official thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1386942) seems to be broken. This puts me in a spot since I'm made to believe it's not wise to flash a custom ROM without having at least one stock SBF I can fall back on, in case I mess up my phone somehow. I was really looking forward to flashing a custom ROM, and now this problem...
Could someone suggest any alternative link/SBF/method or better still, reupload the DFP-1321 SBF and post the link on the relevant thread? Thanks in advance...
ChronicArachnophobic said:
Hi, the link for DFP-1321 SBF given in the official thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1386942) seems to be broken. This puts me in a spot since I'm made to believe it's not wise to flash a custom ROM without having at least one stock SBF I can fall back on, in case I mess up my phone somehow. I was really looking forward to flashing a custom ROM, and now this problem...
Could someone suggest any alternative link/SBF/method or better still, reupload the DFP-1321 SBF and post the link on the relevant thread? Thanks in advance...
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Make a nandroid backup before you flash anything..
If something goes wrong, just restore your backup..
However,there might be a scenario when you cannot access your recovery (highly unlikely if you follow instructions),then you shall need your stock SBF to fall back to.
As for the link being down,
walter79 said:
rom is down have to reupload it. check my mirrors.
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neo.ank said:
Make a nandroid backup before you flash anything..
If something goes wrong, just restore your backup..
However,there might be a scenario when you cannot access your recovery (highly unlikely if you follow instructions),then you shall need your stock SBF to fall back to.
As for the link being down,
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I see, thanks for your response! I wasn't sure whether just restoring a nandroid backup would let get me back to my Stock GB after I flashed a CM10 ROM (It is enough, right? Could you please confim? My Stock configuration right now is super stable and quite fast, I want to ensure I can get back to it at some point if I don't like CM10).
ChronicArachnophobic said:
I see, thanks for your response! I wasn't sure whether just restoring a nandroid backup would let get me back to my Stock GB after I flashed a CM10 ROM (It is enough, right? Could you please confim? My Stock configuration right now is super stable and quite fast, I want to ensure I can get back to it at some point if I don't like CM10).
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Yes it will..
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Yes it will..
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Thanks again. By the way, I had checked his mirrors before for the SBF, but only found a nandroid backup of it, not the actual SBF.
I'm getting ready to restore my stock backup on my at&t impulse 4g (U8800-51) to 2.2.2 and I was wondering if anyone had an opinion of some tools I can use on a stock rom to make my phone smoother, faster, nicer looking, and/or more fun to show off.
I currently use titanium backup for restores, and es file explorer. Any tips would be appreciated.
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I flashed a -pro kernel on 2.2 and got overclock
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[Q] about restoring to 2.2.2
deofavente said:
I'm getting ready to restore my stock backup on my at&t impulse 4g (U8800-51) to 2.2.2 and I was wondering if anyone had an opinion of some tools I can use on a stock rom to make my phone smoother, faster, nicer looking, and/or more fun to show off.
I currently use titanium backup for restores, and es file explorer. Any tips would be appreciated.
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I have this phone, but want to restore to Android 2.2, as well. However, I have no idea where this would be. I just upgraded it, w/the official 2.3.5 firmware update. Unfortunately, it's not working out. So, I've been calling my phone service & Huawei & frantically searching, online, for this "downgrade". Your post has been the closest to finding it. If you'd be so kind as to sharing...I'd certainly appreciate it.
Thx, I hope...
twf498
twf498 said:
I have this phone, but want to restore to Android 2.2, as well. However, I have no idea where this would be. I just upgraded it, w/the official 2.3.5 firmware update. Unfortunately, it's not working out. So, I've been calling my phone service & Huawei & frantically searching, online, for this "downgrade". Your post has been the closest to finding it. If you'd be so kind as to sharing...I'd certainly appreciate it.
Thx, I hope...
twf498
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If you want to revert, check out my post "from stock to ice..." it contains instructions on how to revert to stock.
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deofavente said:
If you want to revert, check out my post "from stock to ice..." it contains instructions on how to revert to stock.
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Just reviewed that post, which is a bit overwhelming. I'd really hate to make it any worse. My main concern is that it no longer shows a service network & won't connect the wi-fi. Also, there's no APN settings, even after I tried relisting, as "new". Everything else, seems to function, as long as it doesn't need any network/service...got any other advice?
Thx,
T
twf498 said:
Just reviewed that post, which is a bit overwhelming. I'd really hate to make it any worse. My main concern is that it no longer shows a service network & won't connect the wi-fi. Also, there's no APN settings, even after I tried relisting, as "new". Everything else, seems to function, as long as it doesn't need any network/service...got any other advice?
Thx,
T
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That's all I got...
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deofavente said:
That's all I got...
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OK, since you've got this same phone, what exactly are you running, on it. If it's GB 2.3.5 or higher, does EVERYTHING work, correctly? I've been reviewing other forums, as well, which I've seen numerous issues w/upgrading. Are you familiar w/a method, of upgrading, by removing the battery & just connect via USB to PC? Also, should I leave my SIM card in/out, while upgrading?
Hope this isn't a bother...I'm just trying to figure out what's best/simplest.
Thx,
T