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Port Samsung Galaxy S apps to Nexus S

Can xda developers port good Samsung Galaxy S apps to Nexus S? For example Camera, Keyboard, Voice Recorder, AllShare, Messaging? Is it possible to have binary compatibility and simply move .apk? I believe this is the same architecture, very similar hardware or am I wrong?

The hardware is almost the same, but the problem is in the 2.3 OS. Ports have already been made for the keyboard and the launcher. Look it up on the Samsung Galaxy S forums.
Edit: I've misread what you wrote. I think it's possible. Maybe it will work if you simply extract apk from app folder on sam gal s, and push it to nexus, or install.

Some of the apps you mentioned depend on the TouchWiz framework that we all hate. With no TW, the apps may not work on a Nexus S.
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rajendra82 said:
Some of the apps you mentioned depend on the TouchWiz framework that we all hate. With no TW, the apps may not work on a Nexus S.
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Umm speak for yourself. I have an Epic and Nexus S and my Epic with 2.1 and TW was smokin out of the box. Now that it has Froyo on it the phone purrs. TW is like modified AOSP where all my TW apps have slight enhancements. It never lags and is not a resource hog like Sense.
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Seff said:
Can xda developers port good Samsung Galaxy S apps to Nexus S? For example Camera, Keyboard, Voice Recorder, AllShare, Messaging? Is it possible to have binary compatibility and simply move .apk? I believe this is the same architecture, very similar hardware or am I wrong?
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+1 for the Camera app. Pictures / Videos are much better quality, imo. Oh, and the video player + codecs too!

em.....Nexus S owners want some TW love......

wanting touchwiz makes me scratch my head.
wanting sense makes me scratch my head.
heh.
to each his own, i guess. just really seems like a lot of you are wanting to take steps BACK. just my opinion.

krumb said:
wanting touchwiz makes me scratch my head.
wanting sense makes me scratch my head.
heh.
to each his own, i guess. just really seems like a lot of you are wanting to take steps BACK. just my opinion.
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extra features usually means step forward not back......

Having more options is a step forward.
Slowing down your device considerably is not.

There's aren't steps forward... true nexus fans got This phone, to keep it simply Google, not tainted with touchwiz, sense or moto blur. we love untouched untainted Google software, the way the company wanted it to be, and for a reason. Its faster!! U want ur junky touchwiz, then go back to a real Samsung device. Not a Google phone.
No offence, but these comments are coming from Samsung fans, that think the nexus s is the next galaxy phone. Its not!! Welcome to the real world of androind, unmolested by other companies so called tweaks to the system..
Just the two cents from a real nexus, Google, android enthusiast!!
And HTC, but we'll keep the best phone company out of this discussion lolol
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kolyan said:
extra features usually means step forward not back......
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Adding extra, worthless BLOAT to the pure Android experience of the Nexus is a huge step back. Those terrible UI skins cripple the open-source nature of Android and do nothing but provide problems in exchange for pointless "eye candy."
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why don't you just buy a galaxy s??

I hate to bump just an incredibly OLD thread, but this is not going a step back, this is a step forward, customization is Android, just because Android is pure doesn't mean it's going to be better in the sense that it offers functionality. Example? TouchWiz offers a notification widget for the music player, also a lockscreen music widget. Want another example? Sense has an email widget, a much deeper integration with Facebook, Flickr, and Twitter. Still not convinced? Look at Motoblur, while some see it as ugly, a lot of people find that the deep deep integration with social networking is a great experience. It's all about features, and that is something Android has lacked since the 2.3.3 update, with Facebook integration being blown out for a reason no one really understands.
Anyone have a way to get the Samsung Keypad on the Nexus S?

I really don't get people who are talking about bloatware on rooted phone. You can uninstall every single system app you want. Touchwiz is definitely an improvement over stock android: hardware accelerated browser (the browser on nexus S is unusable for me, everytime it loads an image or some flash content it lags like hell, I have to use opera mobile for a smooth browsing experience), it has video codecs, it has a great camera app, a great messaging app and a good keyboard. Removing the touchwiz launcher is, again, very easy. What? You're saying you can't use ADW or launcher pro on it or wtf?

Smokexz said:
Anyone have a way to get the Samsung Keypad on the Nexus S?
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Instal swype beta
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Why Samsung should leave Galaxy Tab vanilla

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/br...gle-or-the-oems/17840?tag=mantle_skin;content

if they leave it vanilla they need to fix a lot of bugs
Ill use whatever works best and right now the touchwiz leak is the most stable for me

khanable said:
if they leave it vanilla they need to fix a lot of bugs
Ill use whatever works best and right now the touchwiz leak is the most stable for me
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Bugs created because Samsung put their hands on major Android Elements.
Everything that Samsung touches in the software department its taking the curse of not working or being buggy.
They are making superior hardware, really the BEST hardware around and yet they killing it by touching the software. Not only that but yet they never support it or issue updates.
Samsung (and many other OEMS) just need to let their stupid customization let GO.

I could not agree more. This is exactly why I have a nexus one and why will be getting the nexus 3/nexus prime/whatever it's called. I can't really complain about the galaxy tab since I got mine for free(google i/o) but.. still. I don't know why they think that they know better than google. it's just ridiculous.

nMIK-3 said:
Bugs created because Samsung put their hands on major Android Elements.
Everything that Samsung touches in the software department its taking the curse of not working or being buggy.
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So how long have you been trying out Touchwiz on the tablet? What sort of bugs have you seen with it?

doctor3d said:
So how long have you been trying out Touchwiz on the tablet? What sort of bugs have you seen with it?
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Exactly
Touchwiz is far less buggy than stock right now

khanable said:
Touchwiz is far less buggy than stock right now
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I agree. It's a little laggy here and there, but it's faster for me than stock or Bonsai for some reason. And to be honest, it looks way nicer. I love the skinning and different notification panel.

I just ordered mine off eBay from the US to replace my Xoom, which I found heavy and the screen sucked. I hope the TouchWiz update is released soon, I really like some of the elements they've added. As much as I enjoy stock, I really do like that Samsung adds things like expanded format support to get hardware acceleration without my having to re-encode.

smaskell said:
I don't know why they think that they know better than google. it's just ridiculous.
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Yeah, thats exactly the same with some developer of some roms. . .they also act as they know more than both google and samsung. . .LOL
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Maintain certain basic standard
I've had my share of nightmare with Samsung's T Mobile Vibrant with it's broken GPS and slow to lack of updates and bug fixes. As much as Touchwiz may work well on the 10.1 for now,the solution to the bugs found in Honeycomb rest squarely on the shoulders of Google. Google owns the platform and no OEM should be allowed to change the core underlying code for any reason.
While the platform should remain open, the core OS functions should be locked from OEM.
Take a page from Apple's playbook in this regard Google.
As the happy owner of the G1,My touch 3G, Nexus 1, T Mobile Vibrant, Nexus S, 7 inch Galaxy Tab and now the 10.1 Galaxy Tab, the most update and bug fixes were pushed to the vanilla devices (Nexus 1 and Nexus S)
While Samsung makes great hardware, their bad repution for pushing out updates and bordeline performance with their overlay are all the more reason why they should leave the 10.1 vanilla or at the very least make the Touchwiz update optional.

Vanilla android is lacking in so many departments. The manufacturer customizations add useful features that make the devices more enjoyable (except for blur). The touchwiz ux for the tab is amazing. It looks much more polished, and it has much more useful features than stock honeycomb. Same with phones, all though i personally do not like touchwiz for phones, there are many that do. I prefer sense for phones, it has the best UI and a ton of useful features that make HTC phones a joy to use, especially with the latest sense 3.0 devices.
If it werent for the custom UI's, there would be no differentiation among competition. All the handsets/tablets would be running the same exact thing with pretty much the same specs, which was what was happening with all the honeycomb tablets.
And to be honest, touchwiz is running much more smoother and much less buggy than the vanilla 3.1 did.

Although I see where you're coming from, I disagree. While its true that leaving the OS open to manufacturer modification can have it's problems, closing the system would defeat the purpose of utilizing a linux based operating system in the first place...kinda goes against the philosophy of open source. Might as well just pull an apple and lock down the entire thing (it works for them...in a manner of speaking)
One could argue that google is at fault for witholding the SC, but at the same time, that's to prevent the fragmentation issues seen in gingerbread. Googles doing the best they can with what they have. If the Samsung wants to fart around with code that they "shouldnt", and make the experience of their device worse, it will show in their sales. If pure vanilla HC is truly the best course of action (a decision based off OVERALL customer opinion), it will be the course of they will eventually take (at least that's the idea anyway...I'm definitely not saying manufacturers tend to make stupid decisions).
Just goes to show there's problems on both sides of the spectrum. sometimes, you just cant have your cake and and eat it too.

I can agree that TW is working a lot better then stock HC. And it's more appealing to the eye.

Best Stock Honeycomb Rom. (No Touchwiz)

Basically what the title has said. I'm looking for a rom that has stock honeycomb on it. I'm not really a fan of touchwiz never really was. I know that I could of search for it. I got distracted about reading about the Newton rings. Apparently there on my tablet. If someone can help me I would appreciate it. Thanks.
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But without touchwiz you will lose important hardware features of the tablet. Stock honeycomb is a highly incomplete OS and touchwiz fills in many of the gaps.

5thElement said:
But without touchwiz you will lose important hardware features of the tablet. Stock honeycomb is a highly incomplete OS and touchwiz fills in many of the gaps.
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So basically there's no hope in me getting a non honeycomb rom?

Alopez_45 said:
So basically there's no hope in me getting a non honeycomb rom?
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I assume you're rooted. Maybe if someone had a nandroid of the virgin HC rom for you to download?
BTW, I assume you mean "non-TouchWiz"

Alopez_45 said:
Basically what the title has said. I'm looking for a rom that has stock honeycomb on it. I'm not really a fan of touchwiz never really was. I know that I could of search for it. I got distracted about reading about the Newton rings. Apparently there on my tablet. If someone can help me I would appreciate it. Thanks.
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There is a sticky bigger than me:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1171089
It helps if you visit the dev forum...

Phantom Hacker is working on a vanilla 3.2 port as we speak
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5thElement said:
But without touchwiz you will lose important hardware features of the tablet. Stock honeycomb is a highly incomplete OS and touchwiz fills in many of the gaps.
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Like what exactly? That doesn't even make sense.. Are you forgetting the 10.1 shipped with stock 3.1?

PhantomHacker said:
Like what exactly? That doesn't even make sense.. Are you forgetting the 10.1 shipped with stock 3.1?
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Don't bother PH, you don't know what you are getting into.

5thElement said:
But without touchwiz you will lose important hardware features of the tablet. Stock honeycomb is a highly incomplete OS and touchwiz fills in many of the gaps.
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I would also like to know what exactly Touchwiz adds (besides cartoonish icons, widgets and a few new bugs that vanilla HC didn't have)?
BTW I know what i'm getting into

Alopez_45 said:
Basically what the title has said. I'm looking for a rom that has stock honeycomb on it. I'm not really a fan of touchwiz never really was. I know that I could of search for it. I got distracted about reading about the Newton rings. Apparently there on my tablet. If someone can help me I would appreciate it. Thanks.
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I run the Blazar non-TW ROM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1200387&highlight=blazar
Not a single problem, and managed to watch video for pretty much all of a 10.5 hour flight the other week.

poisike said:
I would also like to know what exactly Touchwiz adds (besides cartoonish icons, widgets and a few new bugs that vanilla HC didn't have)?
BTW I know what i'm getting into
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You get the all important screenshot button right next to the most used button on the status bar, so whenever you accidentally hit it instead of the button you wanted you get a pointless image added to your gallery.

Tee Hee that made me laugh.
I am disappointed at the lack of dev activity though. I too prefer AOSP to TW and was hoping for a huge dev scene.

Im honestly amazed at how little education people here have about TouchWiz.
TouchWiz is by far the most advanced software you currently can get on a tablet. The user experience it provides is light years ahead of anything else out there, even Honeycomb 3.2.
Not only that but TouchWiz gives you access to specific hardware you cant access without it. The ability to change color temperature of the screen is a HUGE feature you can only have with toucwiz.
Here are just a few of the features you get from TouchWiz that you cant get anywhere else :
1. REAL multitasking just like in Windows. You can have TWO apps open at once on the same screen and not have to switch back and forth. There is nothing like this available in the market or in 3.2. HUGE props to Samsung for doing this.
2. Ability to change color temperature of the screen.
3. One touch wifi file access to tablet from PC <-- AWESOME
4. Sluggish menu scrolling in vanilla Honeycomb are gone! It looks like
Samsung devs used video hardware acceleration for scrolling which creates a smooth experience compared to Vanilla honeycombs laggy jumpy scrolling in may menus.
5. Awesomenew notification/settings popup menu. FAR superior to stock Honeycomb.
6. One touch screen capture button in the task bar takes a snap shot of the screen and automatically saves to a folder.
7. Lots of cool QUALITY widgets not like the junk you find in the market.
8. Motion gestures
9. Superior App Manager/ RAM manager which can run ON TOP of any app you are running.
10. BEST Music app and runs super smooth. Much better than stock H.C. or anything in the market
11. BEST Ebook reader app you can get.
12. Your tablet will run FASTEST with touchwiz. Samsung is using hardware acceleration for menus like Apple. Stock HC uses software rendering which is why its so slow and laggy. You cant get hardware acceleration if you dont have TouchWiz. No the Devs here will not be able to add it as its beyond their capabilities.
The list goes on and on. TouchWiz is simply a superior experience than stock HC. I would even dream of using my tab without it. Your tablet is incomplete and missing features to access hardware if you dont have TouchWiz.

Really? I guess it's a personal thing then. I used TW for a week before deciding I COULD do without out LOL.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought TW was JUST a GUI and nothing else! It shouldn't offer superior app management and ram management... and as for the apps you mention, well we all have choices via the android market.

5thElement said:
Im honestly amazed at how little education people here have about TouchWiz.
TouchWiz is by far the most advanced software you currently can get on a tablet. The user experience it provides is light years ahead of anything else out there, even Honeycomb 3.2.
Not only that but TouchWiz gives you access to specific hardware you cant access without it. The ability to change color temperature of the screen is a HUGE feature you can only have with toucwiz.
Here are just a few of the features you get from TouchWiz that you cant get anywhere else :
1. REAL multitasking just like in Windows. You can have TWO apps open at once on the same screen and not have to switch back and forth. There is nothing like this available in the market or in 3.2. HUGE props to Samsung for doing this.
2. Ability to change color temperature of the screen.
3. One touch wifi file access to tablet from PC <-- AWESOME
4. Sluggish menu scrolling in vanilla Honeycomb are gone! It looks like
Samsung devs used video hardware acceleration for scrolling which creates a smooth experience compared to Vanilla honeycombs laggy jumpy scrolling in may menus.
5. Awesomenew notification/settings popup menu. FAR superior to stock Honeycomb.
6. One touch screen capture button in the task bar takes a snap shot of the screen and automatically saves to a folder.
7. Lots of cool QUALITY widgets not like the junk you find in the market.
8. Motion gestures
9. Superior App Manager/ RAM manager which can run ON TOP of any app you are running.
10. BEST Music app and runs super smooth. Much better than stock H.C. or anything in the market
11. BEST Ebook reader app you can get.
12. Your tablet will run FASTEST with touchwiz. Samsung is using hardware acceleration for menus like Apple. Stock HC uses software rendering which is why its so slow and laggy. You cant get hardware acceleration if you dont have TouchWiz. No the Devs here will not be able to add it as its beyond their capabilities.
The list goes on and on. TouchWiz is simply a superior experience than stock HC. I would even dream of using my tab without it. Your tablet is incomplete and missing features to access hardware if you dont have TouchWiz.
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1. 6 predefined apps, you call this REAL multitasking!? I have no use for these apps, except maybe calculator that i have used once.
2. I have no need for that. And i think there are apps in Market that can do this?
3. How? Has this something to do with that thing called Kies? I refuse to use this ****.
4. The menu scrolling has never been sluggish on my Xoom, so i don't know what you are talking about.
5. Awesomenew notification/settings popup menu? Yeah, design is little different.
6. I have accidentally used that screen capture button a few times, other then that i have no use for this. There are lot of apps in Market that can make screenshots.
7. I really tried to use those "cool QUALITY widgets" just to give Samsung and Touchwiz a fair chance. I couldn't stand them for longer then a week. Then i downloaded the same widgets i used on my Xoom.
8. Motion gestures... yes, this feature bugged me also until i chose "never ask again".
9. I have never used or needed a App Manager/ RAM manager on Xoom. Why would i want to use this on GT10.1?
10. I must admit, i have never tried the BEST Music app. I use Google Music.
11. I have never used the BEST Ebook reader app either, so i can't comment on this.
12. Your tablet will run FASTEST with touchwiz? Maybe my GT10.1 has a hardware problem, but i don't see that it runs faster then my Xoom.
So i don't really see what touchwiz added, besides that gray bottom bar, which really bothers me the most. If i could get a vanilla 3.2 ROM, i would be very happy.
Of course this is my personal opinion and i'm not saying that GT10.1 isn't a good tablet.

poisike said:
So i don't really see what touchwiz added, besides that gray bottom bar, which really bothers me the most. If i could get a vanilla 3.2 ROM, i would be very happy.
Of course this is my personal opinion and i'm not saying that GT10.1 isn't a good tablet.
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It is recommended to read the white papers on TouchWiz to understand why its so important if you have a Tab 10. Lag of hardware acceleration without it is one feature alone that should have everyone on board with TouchWiz. Not only that but samsung is releasing an api to allow you to add any app into the mini launch bar.

steve664npc said:
Really? I guess it's a personal thing then. I used TW for a week before deciding I COULD do without out LOL.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought TW was JUST a GUI and nothing else! It shouldn't offer superior app management and ram management... and as for the apps you mention, well we all have choices via the android market.
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Can you do without touchwiz? Sure if you only use your unit to check email and view a webpage but then why did you buy a tab 10? Also you are wrong on many account...
There are no apps in the android market that will give you true multitasking like touchwiz.
There are no apps in the market that will allow you to change the color temps of the screen.
There are no apps that will allow you to obtain a superior notification menu
There are no apps in the market that will allow you to add hardware acceleration to the GUI.
There are no apps in the market that will allow you to do a at LEAST a dozen more important Tab 10 related features.

5thElement said:
Not only that but samsung is releasing an api to allow you to add any app into the mini launch bar.
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That would be great, but I would like to see proof of this statement.
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5thElement said:
Im honestly amazed at how little education people here have about TouchWiz.
TouchWiz is by far the most advanced software you currently can get on a tablet. The user experience it provides is light years ahead of anything else out there, even Honeycomb 3.2.
Not only that but TouchWiz gives you access to specific hardware you cant access without it. The ability to change color temperature of the screen is a HUGE feature you can only have with toucwiz.
Here are just a few of the features you get from TouchWiz that you cant get anywhere else :
1. REAL multitasking just like in Windows. You can have TWO apps open at once on the same screen and not have to switch back and forth. There is nothing like this available in the market or in 3.2. HUGE props to Samsung for doing this.
2. Ability to change color temperature of the screen.
3. One touch wifi file access to tablet from PC <-- AWESOME
4. Sluggish menu scrolling in vanilla Honeycomb are gone! It looks like
Samsung devs used video hardware acceleration for scrolling which creates a smooth experience compared to Vanilla honeycombs laggy jumpy scrolling in may menus.
5. Awesomenew notification/settings popup menu. FAR superior to stock Honeycomb.
6. One touch screen capture button in the task bar takes a snap shot of the screen and automatically saves to a folder.
7. Lots of cool QUALITY widgets not like the junk you find in the market.
8. Motion gestures
9. Superior App Manager/ RAM manager which can run ON TOP of any app you are running.
10. BEST Music app and runs super smooth. Much better than stock H.C. or anything in the market
11. BEST Ebook reader app you can get.
12. Your tablet will run FASTEST with touchwiz. Samsung is using hardware acceleration for menus like Apple. Stock HC uses software rendering which is why its so slow and laggy. You cant get hardware acceleration if you dont have TouchWiz. No the Devs here will not be able to add it as its beyond their capabilities.
The list goes on and on. TouchWiz is simply a superior experience than stock HC. I would even dream of using my tab without it. Your tablet is incomplete and missing features to access hardware if you dont have TouchWiz.
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Do you work for Samsung, or did you grow up at a time when they still used lead paint on childrens' toys?

5thElement said:
Im honestly amazed at how little education people here have about TouchWiz.
TouchWiz is by far the most advanced software you currently can get on a tablet. The user experience it provides is light years ahead of anything else out there, even Honeycomb 3.2.
Not only that but TouchWiz gives you access to specific hardware you cant access without it. The ability to change color temperature of the screen is a HUGE feature you can only have with toucwiz.
Here are just a few of the features you get from TouchWiz that you cant get anywhere else :
1. REAL multitasking just like in Windows. You can have TWO apps open at once on the same screen and not have to switch back and forth. There is nothing like this available in the market or in 3.2. HUGE props to Samsung for doing this.
2. Ability to change color temperature of the screen.
3. One touch wifi file access to tablet from PC <-- AWESOME
4. Sluggish menu scrolling in vanilla Honeycomb are gone! It looks like
Samsung devs used video hardware acceleration for scrolling which creates a smooth experience compared to Vanilla honeycombs laggy jumpy scrolling in may menus.
5. Awesomenew notification/settings popup menu. FAR superior to stock Honeycomb.
6. One touch screen capture button in the task bar takes a snap shot of the screen and automatically saves to a folder.
7. Lots of cool QUALITY widgets not like the junk you find in the market.
8. Motion gestures
9. Superior App Manager/ RAM manager which can run ON TOP of any app you are running.
10. BEST Music app and runs super smooth. Much better than stock H.C. or anything in the market
11. BEST Ebook reader app you can get.
12. Your tablet will run FASTEST with touchwiz. Samsung is using hardware acceleration for menus like Apple. Stock HC uses software rendering which is why its so slow and laggy. You cant get hardware acceleration if you dont have TouchWiz. No the Devs here will not be able to add it as its beyond their capabilities.
The list goes on and on. TouchWiz is simply a superior experience than stock HC. I would even dream of using my tab without it. Your tablet is incomplete and missing features to access hardware if you dont have TouchWiz.
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Yeah, I'm sorry, but TW doesn't improve my experience.
As a matter of fact, TW seems to have been designed by Samsung to lock users in to their proprietary ecosystem. Unfortunately, I do not believe software development--on the scale that Apple and Google, and allegedly Amazon is building out--is a part of their core competency. I am not sure Samsung has what it takes to build an ecosystem that provides the user experience on the level that Google already provides--so I do not want Samsung's Social Widgets, Music Hub, or whatever other service they are trying to push on me.
The only reason I purchased the Galaxt Tab 10.1 is because of the superior hardware design and quality with respects to other Android Tablet manufacturers, and quite frankly, their TW software just gets in the way. I really dislike having their proprietary software forced down my throat.
If their interface and software bundle is so great, why doesn't Samsung let users choose to install their software via the market or some other option?
--my two cents.

ANY way to use camera from pin-lockscreen??

Came from Iphone where you can use camera even from a passcode-locked lockscreen. All the answers on the net require a NON-passcode locked lockscreen to get to the camera.
Are there any ways around this?
Thanks

Settings>My Device>Lock Screen
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starmanj said:
Came from Iphone where you can use camera even from a passcode-locked lockscreen. All the answers on the net require a NON-passcode locked lockscreen to get to the camera.
Are there any ways around this?
Thanks
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I think this is a limitation from Touchwiz. I don't have CM on my phone atm to confirm, but I know that the lockscreen Pin lock behavior is different on the Nexus 7. Meaning the key difference is the fact that on my Nexus 7 I can still use other widgets (Google Now or HD Widgets) on the Pin lock, whereas SGS4 TW does not allow that...

Nope. Wrong. Try adding a passcode and then try adding a camera widget.
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Settings>My Device>Lock Screen
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nakedninja42 said:
I think this is a limitation from Touchwiz. I don't have CM on my phone atm to confirm, but I know that the lockscreen Pin lock behavior is different on the Nexus 7. Meaning the key difference is the fact that on my Nexus 7 I can still use other widgets (Google Now or HD Widgets) on the Pin lock, whereas SGS4 TW does not allow that...
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This is correct.... Just tested this on PAC ROM and I could access the camera and other lock screen widgets with both a pattern and pin lock

Right, but is there a ROM or tool to make this work on a Galaxy S4? captivatingtab did you try this on your tab or S4? Also I don't use Touchwiz, I use Nova, which still has this limitation-- so I think it's the ATT Samsung ROM.
It amazes me that ATT/Samsung/Google could put out a ROM that (at least for me) is so buggy and misses key features. Don't want to get into the host of bugs I've found, just trying to get to camera quickly...

starmanj said:
Right, but is there a ROM or tool to make this work on a Galaxy S4? captivatingtab did you try this on your tab or S4? Also I don't use Touchwiz, I use Nova, which still has this limitation-- so I think it's the ATT Samsung ROM.
It amazes me that ATT/Samsung/Google could put out a ROM that (at least for me) is so buggy and misses key features. Don't want to get into the host of bugs I've found, just trying to get to camera quickly...
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It is the problem with Touchwiz, no matter what custom launcher you run, Lockscreen is still controlled by Touchwiz. Nova(or any other launcher) only replaces the default Touch wiz launchers Touchwiz Home or Easy Launcher, so you are still using Touchwiz with Nova installed, just not the launcher it provides.
This is a Touchwiz problem, having used an HTC One you can access 4 different apps including the Camera from the lock screen as your dock is visible on the lock screen.
If you flash a AOSP rom this problem will most likely go away.

starmanj said:
Came from Iphone where you can use camera even from a passcode-locked lockscreen. All the answers on the net require a NON-passcode locked lockscreen to get to the camera.
Are there any ways around this?
Thanks
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There is an alternative lock screen app called LockerPro in the Play store does what you ask, as well a providing lock screen notifications. I think you may still need to enter your PIN before accessing the camera if the timeout has expired, but its still a shortcut. There is a free version called LockerPro Lite that you can try out.

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I tried lockerpro, it doesn't work unless you enter pin as well. Thanks for information, looks like Touchwiz is way behind times-- Iphone has had this for a while, and even before it was on IOS there were Cydia apps that could do this. I'm astonished Android can't do this.
So I guess I have to throw out the AT&T ROM to get rid of Touchwiz?

I have to agree with the OP. I came from an iPhone, and I actually like touchwiz. But not having the ability to use lockscreen widgets with security options is pretty ridiculous.
It should be the users choice to have certain functions available without a password/lock. I understand Samsung attempted to make the device more secure and prevent "uninformed" users from making mistakes; but It should be our choice what we put out there. IMHO.
I not a developer by far, and a long-time lurker of XDA, I wish I had the ability to change Touchwiz to include this.

starmanj said:
Thanks for information, looks like Touchwiz is way behind times-- Iphone has had this for a while, and even before it was on IOS there were Cydia apps that could do this. I'm astonished Android can't do this.
So I guess I have to throw out the AT&T ROM to get rid of Touchwiz?
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Lets clear some things up...
First and foremost, Touchwiz is the name of the User Interface that we see. Its not an application, it is not a launcher (Nova) or anything, just the User Interface. With that said, Touchwiz features are the extra gimmicks added to the phone like Air View and whatnot. This is the ROM given by Samsung as stock, it has nothing to do with Android itself. So comparing Apple to Oranges (Samsung) is different than comparing iOS to Android (which you are not doing).
So "being behind on times" has nothing to do with Android itself. If you were to load a AOSP (Android Open Source Project) ROM is it the same? Running AOSP on the phone is a different experience than running Touchwiz. It is closer to the Nexus stock experience than using Samsung stock ROM and is what Google wants as Android. So if you want to compare Android and state that your astonished it doesn't do something, then test it on AOSP based ROM and see if Android could do it.
As it has been confirmed anyways that what you want can be done running an AOSP ROM...
captivatingtab said:
This is correct.... Just tested this on PAC ROM and I could access the camera and other lock screen widgets with both a pattern and pin lock
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nakedninja42 you are absolutely correct, thanks. I should say that I'm astonished that Samsung wouldn't offer this on their ROM.
Having said that, and maybe off-topic, my conclusion in moving from Apple to Android is Google allows far too much modification from the manufacturers and carriers to ensure a consistently good experience. Perhaps that's the nature of its open-source approach, but man has it been a massive pain trying to get a quality experience. Bluetooth problems, terrible lag, inconsistent application of UI rules, terrible battery drain-- in exchange for a more open environment (which, yes, is very important to me). Jury is out, I'm still trying to find a good working environment, not giving up yet.

starmanj said:
nakedninja42 you are absolutely correct, thanks. I should say that I'm astonished that Samsung wouldn't offer this on their ROM.
Having said that, and maybe off-topic, my conclusion in moving from Apple to Android is Google allows far too much modification from the manufacturers and carriers to ensure a consistently good experience. Perhaps that's the nature of its open-source approach, but man has it been a massive pain trying to get a quality experience. Bluetooth problems, terrible lag, inconsistent application of UI rules, terrible battery drain-- in exchange for a more open environment (which, yes, is very important to me). Jury is out, I'm still trying to find a good working environment, not giving up yet.
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But as the consumer you have the choice on what you buy. If you want something that has X set of features you can buy it (Nexus for example), if you want other features you buy a different phone. This is not unlike buying a car - most cars (these days) have Bluetooth, but the implementations vary greatly.
You bought a phone with Android, and most stores let you compare dozens of models side by side. If Camera on the lock screen is a requirement, it is easy to test drive to find one that supports this.
My phone is rooted and stock - it has no lag and works fantastically well with superior battery life to any smartphone i have owned. Touchwiz is not perfect, but neither is stock android IMO.
Yes, this is off topic, but the point is that if you want only one way to do something, and only one way, then Apple is for you. I recommend iphones to the technically challenged and older people - they can't get lost. The home button is always there and bails them out from any screen. And I can always help them get to settings and menus are 100% consistent. These people don't want widgets and don't want to do any customization, they want simple consistent experience. Android gives choices and that may mean that one phone has a feature that another phone does not. But then there are 3rd party apps that usually step in to fix things.
Widget locker may let you put the camera on the lockscreen - has anyone tried that?

starmanj said:
Came from Iphone where you can use camera even from a passcode-locked lockscreen. All the answers on the net require a NON-passcode locked lockscreen to get to the camera.
Are there any ways around this?
Thanks
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Kjay's framework allows it. You'll need to be on a BMEA ROM to use iy though.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42350844
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starmanj said:
nakedninja42 you are absolutely correct, thanks. I should say that I'm astonished that Samsung wouldn't offer this on their ROM.
Having said that, and maybe off-topic, my conclusion in moving from Apple to Android is Google allows far too much modification from the manufacturers and carriers to ensure a consistently good experience. Perhaps that's the nature of its open-source approach, but man has it been a massive pain trying to get a quality experience. Bluetooth problems, terrible lag, inconsistent application of UI rules, terrible battery drain-- in exchange for a more open environment (which, yes, is very important to me). Jury is out, I'm still trying to find a good working environment, not giving up yet.
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The nature of the game... Open-Source...
I haven't had any battery drains... in fact when I go to bed at night, I have ~50% left with the same usage I had on the S3 @ 10%. GoldenEye ROM solved all my other qualms with TouchWiz. I did find it annoying that I cannot use my widgets on the lockscreen that I removed my pattern/pin lock. I generally prefer running AOSP ROMs like CyanogenMOD, but I am waiting for the release of the Google SGS4 to see if the stability improves.

Yes I am waiting for the Google S4 ROM as well. I have CM on all my HP Touchpads so am a bit leary of quality of the device drivers for S4 at this point. The official Google version will fix that.

Theoretically, couldn't someone just find the files for the lockscreen and edit the code to allow it? I mean, it's like natively there already - right?
I haven't tried any custom ROMs, in fact i am pretty close to what the OP is describing, coming from an iPhone and having the learning experience. But I am really bummed I can't do it. lol

So bottom line is there any ROM that will allow the use of camera shortcuts or lockscreen widgets while having a secure lockscreen?

blackguy101 said:
So bottom line is there any ROM that will allow the use of camera shortcuts or lockscreen widgets while having a secure lockscreen?
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TW no, AOSP yes.
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shadowfiber said:
Theoretically, couldn't someone just find the files for the lockscreen and edit the code to allow it? I mean, it's like natively there already - right?
I haven't tried any custom ROMs, in fact i am pretty close to what the OP is describing, coming from an iPhone and having the learning experience. But I am really bummed I can't do it. lol
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Theoretically, yes. I am interested in this myself. I started programming a year ago and haven't had time to learn the ends and outs for Android to try yet. I am hoping someone with greater talents might be able to do it...

I would like cyanogenmod on my tab, how about you?

My note 10.1-2012 with cyanogenmod is so much faster for drawing with sketchbook. Zooming and pen tracking are fantastic. I loved it so much that I went for the 2014 model. Disappoint! The whole reason i got this tab was to sketch and the performance just isnt there. Currently using the latest Bindroid and I don't blame the ROM, I blame touch wiz. Users rallied to get DutchDanny (the dev of Bindroid) a tab maybe it could happen again to get CM for us? Anyone want it want it as bad as I do?!
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mrtoast said:
My note 10.1-2012 with cyanogenmod is so much faster for drawing with sketchbook. Zooming and pen tracking are fantastic. I loved it so much that I went for the 2014 model. Disappoint! The whole reason i got this tab was to sketch and the performance just isnt there. Currently using the latest Bindroid and I don't blame the ROM, I blame touch wiz. Users rallied to get DutchDanny (the dev of Bindroid) a tab maybe it could happen again to get CM for us? Anyone want it want it as bad as I do?!
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I'm saying it here from the moment i got my Note!
But as far as i know, there is no Developer that knows how to port a Vanilla ROM to our device...
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I want it more than you!

No. Almost everyone with Note 2's 3's 2012's uses a touch wiz rom. Wont be any different here. Im not getting rid of software that makes up 90% of the reason I buy Samsung products.
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No desire for cyanogenmod here. While some of touch wiz is annoying, if I wanted a vanilla experience I would have bought a nexus.
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Duly.noted said:
No. Almost everyone with Note 2's 3's 2012's uses a touch wiz rom. Wont be any different here. Im not getting rid of software that makes up 90% of the reason I buy Samsung products.
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wingdo said:
No desire for cyanogenmod here. While some of touch wiz is annoying, if I wanted a vanilla experience I would have bought a nexus.
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GOD, you gotta be kidding me!
You can get almost ALL of the TW features in Vanilla! With some Apps and more Devs... It's the meaning of Android - we can always change software!

ilayron8 said:
GOD, you gotta be kidding me!
You can get almost ALL of the TW features in Vanilla! With some Apps and more Devs... It's the meaning of Android - we can always change software!
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Most people get a Note for the Spen features and you will lose most all of them and specifically the Air Command if you go with Cyanogen Mod. I had the Nexus 7.2 for a bit and in my opinion AOSP is very boring. A couple of years ago phones and tablets did not have the processing power to deal with TW and Sense so AOSP was very helpful for a better experience but now that is a non issue. The biggest problem with getting AOSP on this device is the cost. Most developers are not going to buy it.
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ilayron8 said:
I'm saying it here from the moment i got my Note!
But as far as i know, there is no Developer that knows how to port a Vanilla ROM to our device...
Sad
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I am quite sure there are lots of developers capable of porting AOSP to this device. The correct way to say it is there is no one willing to port it.

ilayron8 said:
GOD, you gotta be kidding me!
You can get almost ALL of the TW features in Vanilla! With some Apps and more Devs... It's the meaning of Android - we can always change software!
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You have to be kidding me. There are plenty of manufactures who give a vanilla or near vanilla experience. The nexus is a great high end vanilla experience. Why are you knowingly buying products you do not like? Like it or not, what sets *most* Android manufacturers apart are the skins they create.
Samsung must be doing something right now selling the lion's share of Android systems. I bought the note for a reason and Cyanogenmod cannot provide that same experience no matter how many 3rd party apps are installed.
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nrage23 said:
Most people get a Note for the Spen features and you will lose most all of them and specifically the Air Command if you go with Cyanogen Mod. I had the Nexus 7.2 for a bit and in my opinion AOSP is very boring. A couple of years ago phones and tablets did not have the processing power to deal with TW and Sense so AOSP was very helpful for a better experience but now that is a non issue. The biggest problem with getting AOSP on this device is the cost. Most developers are not going to buy it.
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I am quite sure there are lots of developers capable of porting AOSP to this device. The correct way to say it is there is no one willing to port it.
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wingdo said:
You have to be kidding me. There are plenty of manufactures who give a vanilla or near vanilla experience. The nexus is a great high end vanilla experience. Why are you knowingly buying products you do not like? Like it or not, what sets *most* Android manufacturers apart are the skins they create.
Samsung must be doing something right now selling the lion's share of Android systems. I bought the note for a reason and Cyanogenmod cannot provide that same experience no matter how many 3rd party apps are installed.
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I like the Note, cuz it's coming with special pressure screen and s pen. Now I promise you that porting s pen's fetures from TW to CM is possible.
Yes, It wont be EXACLY like TW's features. But Vanilla has another great things to offer that will cover on it.
IT'S - ALL - SOFTWARE!

ilayron8 said:
I like the Note, cuz it's coming with special pressure screen and s pen. Now I promise you that porting s pen's fetures from TW to CM is possible.
Yes, It wont be EXACLY like TW's features. But Vanilla has another great things to offer that will cover on it.
IT'S - ALL - SOFTWARE!
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The Spen features are built into the framework. Cyanogen Mod does not have the feature in its framework. Also the Note devices have a Wacom digitizer along with the standard capacitive touchscreen. Some apps will work in Cyanogen mod but no apps which use the Samsung SDK for pen features will work. While I used the Nexus 7 2013, Cyanogen Mod was the worst of the AOSP based roms as they changed their drivers from AOSP based to CAF based which broke lots of things. The best AOSP roms are AOKP and Paranoid Android. AOSP would change this tablet into a faster Nexus 10 which I had and got the Note 2014 because of the Spen features.
PS Ditch the CAPSLOCK. No need in yelling since you are voicing opinions.

I do want CM on this. I prefer CM to TW, and I can see people who don't use the other TW features extensively benefit from CM. The only TW feature I use extensively is multiwindow, which can sorta be done on CM using Xposed right now (but not as good apparently). The only thing I'm not sure about is how Spen will be affected. I don't really use any of the S-apps, I mainly write on Papyrus and a bunch of other third party apps - which I hope shouldn't be affected?

nrage23 said:
The Spen features are built into the framework. Cyanogen Mod does not have the feature in its framework. Also the Note devices have a Wacom digitizer along with the standard capacitive touchscreen. Some apps will work in Cyanogen mod but no apps which use the Samsung SDK for pen features will work. While I used the Nexus 7 2013, Cyanogen Mod was the worst of the AOSP based roms as they changed their drivers from AOSP based to CAF based which broke lots of things. The best AOSP roms are AOKP and Paranoid Android. AOSP would change this tablet into a faster Nexus 10 which I had and got the Note 2014 because of the Spen features.
PS Ditch the CAPSLOCK. No need in yelling since you are voicing opinions.
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Ok, have fun with your S Pen apps.
C2Q said:
I do want CM on this. I prefer CM to TW, and I can see people who don't use the other TW features extensively benefit from CM. The only TW feature I use extensively is multiwindow, which can sorta be done on CM using Xposed right now (but not as good apparently). The only thing I'm not sure about is how Spen will be affected. I don't really use any of the S-apps, I mainly write on Papyrus and a bunch of other third party apps - which I hope shouldn't be affected?
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I completly agree with you.
S Pen Apps are nice, but I don't use them often. I'm using my S Pen to draw, to write things quickly (yeah, an S Pen app but can replaced by an App from the Play Store) and to control easily the Note. That's a lot of good things, but they all can work on CM.
Multi Windows is the problem. Yes, there are few nice apps that can replace it, but far from TW's feature. But i guess that when the developers will want to bring it as an App, they'll to it.

C2Q said:
I do want CM on this. I prefer CM to TW, and I can see people who don't use the other TW features extensively benefit from CM. The only TW feature I use extensively is multiwindow, which can sorta be done on CM using Xposed right now (but not as good apparently). The only thing I'm not sure about is how Spen will be affected. I don't really use any of the S-apps, I mainly write on Papyrus and a bunch of other third party apps - which I hope shouldn't be affected?
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It would probably help you out to go to the Note 3 forums to see how AOSP roms are functioning since they are similar.

Look at that guys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diIwfyo4nHQ
I know it's not CM (Omni will probably wont get to our device anytime soon), I just want you to see that it's possible...

Who knows..maybe if CM comes to the TabPro, we might be able to get it since the hardware is practically the same.

Options are always nice. Some people (like me) are considering buy the Note 10.1 instead of the Tab Pro because of the 3gb RAM and because you can get a 32 GB version now. Couldn't care less about the pen! Would very much like some stock ROM options.

ilayron8 said:
GOD, you gotta be kidding me!
You can get almost ALL of the TW features in Vanilla! With some Apps and more Devs... It's the meaning of Android - we can always change software!
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ilayron8 said:
I like the Note, cuz it's coming with special pressure screen and s pen. Now I promise you that porting s pen's fetures from TW to CM is possible.
Yes, It wont be EXACLY like TW's features. But Vanilla has another great things to offer that will cover on it.
IT'S - ALL - SOFTWARE!
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Great so find me a software replacement for any app in a floating window, 4 way split screen, a note pad that turns my handwriting into executable information, screen grabs I can easily edit, drag and drop, and a note app and finder that can even search for handwritten text. There is a reason nobody uses aosp or cyanogenmod on the note line up. Because it sucks at replicating touch wiz Very very badly. If all you wanted was a pressure sensitive pen and screen go get a nexus ten and a sketchbook and some pencils. It's the same thing right?
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Why do you care so much about how someone else uses their tablet? If you don't want a stock ROM, don't use it easy.
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Duly.noted said:
Great so find me a software replacement for any app in a floating window, 4 way split screen, a note pad that turns my handwriting into executable information, screen grabs I can easily edit, drag and drop, and a note app and finder that can even search for handwritten text. There is a reason nobody uses aosp or cyanogenmod on the note line up. Because it sucks at replicating touch wiz Very very badly. If all you wanted was a pressure sensitive pen and screen go get a nexus ten and a sketchbook and some pencils. It's the same thing right?
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Actually Xposed is fairly close to replicating that multiwindow/floating window situation. The drag and drop screenshot thing is cool, but it is so limited in its use because I can't even paste screenshots on any other apps outside of the S-app world. Also if no one used CM on the Note lineup then there wouldn't be CM on the Note 3 and Note 2012, lol.
Some people...

C2Q said:
Actually Xposed is fairly close to replicating that multiwindow/floating window situation. The drag and drop screenshot thing is cool, but it is so limited in its use because I can't even paste screenshots on any other apps outside of the S-app world. Also if no one used CM on the Note lineup then there wouldn't be CM on the Note 3 and Note 2012, lol.
Some people...
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exposed is nowhere near Samsung. 50/50 only and has to be selected from recent apps window. doesnt support drag drop and no 4 way window. Exposed doesn't do all apps floating either. Drag and drop supports text and pictures, and text works in many applications, example
MAME is strictly a non-profit project. Its main p
C2Q said:
Actually Xposed is fairly close to replicating that multiwindow/floating window situation. The drag and drop screenshot thing is cool, but it is so limited in its use because I can't even paste screenshots on any other apps outside of the S-app world. Also if no one used CM on the Note lineup then there wouldn't be CM on the Note 3 and Note 2012, lol.
Some people...
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exposed is nowhere near Samsung. 50/50 only and has to be selected from recent apps window. doesnt support drag drop and no 4 way window. Exposed doesn't do all apps floating either. Drag and drop supports text and pictures, and text works in many applications, example
MAME is strictly a non-profit project. Its main purpose is to be a reference to the inner workings
of the emulated arcade machines. This is done both for educational purposes and for preservation
purposes, in order to prevent many historical games from disappearing forever once the hardware they
run on stops working. Of course, in order to preserve the games and demonstrate that the emulated
behavior matches the original, you must also be able to actually play the games. This is considered
a nice side effect, and is not MAME's primary focus.
Drag and drop text supports any app that uses the android system text copy and paste functions. as for as I can tell. Most text fields take it. And you can share screenshots almost anywhere. And what I meat was that very few people prefer the Hosp roms. Hence the giant number of TW Roms in comparison.
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Duly.noted said:
Great so find me a software replacement for any app in a floating window, 4 way split screen, a note pad that turns my handwriting into executable information, screen grabs I can easily edit, drag and drop, and a note app and finder that can even search for handwritten text. There is a reason nobody uses aosp or cyanogenmod on the note line up. Because it sucks at replicating touch wiz Very very badly. If all you wanted was a pressure sensitive pen and screen go get a nexus ten and a sketchbook and some pencils. It's the same thing right?
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I'm tired of arguing with you...
Go and have fun with your TW and let ME to choose how to use my tablet.