Came from Iphone where you can use camera even from a passcode-locked lockscreen. All the answers on the net require a NON-passcode locked lockscreen to get to the camera.
Are there any ways around this?
Thanks
Settings>My Device>Lock Screen
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starmanj said:
Came from Iphone where you can use camera even from a passcode-locked lockscreen. All the answers on the net require a NON-passcode locked lockscreen to get to the camera.
Are there any ways around this?
Thanks
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I think this is a limitation from Touchwiz. I don't have CM on my phone atm to confirm, but I know that the lockscreen Pin lock behavior is different on the Nexus 7. Meaning the key difference is the fact that on my Nexus 7 I can still use other widgets (Google Now or HD Widgets) on the Pin lock, whereas SGS4 TW does not allow that...
Nope. Wrong. Try adding a passcode and then try adding a camera widget.
JChespirito24 said:
Settings>My Device>Lock Screen
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nakedninja42 said:
I think this is a limitation from Touchwiz. I don't have CM on my phone atm to confirm, but I know that the lockscreen Pin lock behavior is different on the Nexus 7. Meaning the key difference is the fact that on my Nexus 7 I can still use other widgets (Google Now or HD Widgets) on the Pin lock, whereas SGS4 TW does not allow that...
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This is correct.... Just tested this on PAC ROM and I could access the camera and other lock screen widgets with both a pattern and pin lock
Right, but is there a ROM or tool to make this work on a Galaxy S4? captivatingtab did you try this on your tab or S4? Also I don't use Touchwiz, I use Nova, which still has this limitation-- so I think it's the ATT Samsung ROM.
It amazes me that ATT/Samsung/Google could put out a ROM that (at least for me) is so buggy and misses key features. Don't want to get into the host of bugs I've found, just trying to get to camera quickly...
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Right, but is there a ROM or tool to make this work on a Galaxy S4? captivatingtab did you try this on your tab or S4? Also I don't use Touchwiz, I use Nova, which still has this limitation-- so I think it's the ATT Samsung ROM.
It amazes me that ATT/Samsung/Google could put out a ROM that (at least for me) is so buggy and misses key features. Don't want to get into the host of bugs I've found, just trying to get to camera quickly...
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It is the problem with Touchwiz, no matter what custom launcher you run, Lockscreen is still controlled by Touchwiz. Nova(or any other launcher) only replaces the default Touch wiz launchers Touchwiz Home or Easy Launcher, so you are still using Touchwiz with Nova installed, just not the launcher it provides.
This is a Touchwiz problem, having used an HTC One you can access 4 different apps including the Camera from the lock screen as your dock is visible on the lock screen.
If you flash a AOSP rom this problem will most likely go away.
starmanj said:
Came from Iphone where you can use camera even from a passcode-locked lockscreen. All the answers on the net require a NON-passcode locked lockscreen to get to the camera.
Are there any ways around this?
Thanks
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There is an alternative lock screen app called LockerPro in the Play store does what you ask, as well a providing lock screen notifications. I think you may still need to enter your PIN before accessing the camera if the timeout has expired, but its still a shortcut. There is a free version called LockerPro Lite that you can try out.
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I tried lockerpro, it doesn't work unless you enter pin as well. Thanks for information, looks like Touchwiz is way behind times-- Iphone has had this for a while, and even before it was on IOS there were Cydia apps that could do this. I'm astonished Android can't do this.
So I guess I have to throw out the AT&T ROM to get rid of Touchwiz?
I have to agree with the OP. I came from an iPhone, and I actually like touchwiz. But not having the ability to use lockscreen widgets with security options is pretty ridiculous.
It should be the users choice to have certain functions available without a password/lock. I understand Samsung attempted to make the device more secure and prevent "uninformed" users from making mistakes; but It should be our choice what we put out there. IMHO.
I not a developer by far, and a long-time lurker of XDA, I wish I had the ability to change Touchwiz to include this.
starmanj said:
Thanks for information, looks like Touchwiz is way behind times-- Iphone has had this for a while, and even before it was on IOS there were Cydia apps that could do this. I'm astonished Android can't do this.
So I guess I have to throw out the AT&T ROM to get rid of Touchwiz?
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Lets clear some things up...
First and foremost, Touchwiz is the name of the User Interface that we see. Its not an application, it is not a launcher (Nova) or anything, just the User Interface. With that said, Touchwiz features are the extra gimmicks added to the phone like Air View and whatnot. This is the ROM given by Samsung as stock, it has nothing to do with Android itself. So comparing Apple to Oranges (Samsung) is different than comparing iOS to Android (which you are not doing).
So "being behind on times" has nothing to do with Android itself. If you were to load a AOSP (Android Open Source Project) ROM is it the same? Running AOSP on the phone is a different experience than running Touchwiz. It is closer to the Nexus stock experience than using Samsung stock ROM and is what Google wants as Android. So if you want to compare Android and state that your astonished it doesn't do something, then test it on AOSP based ROM and see if Android could do it.
As it has been confirmed anyways that what you want can be done running an AOSP ROM...
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This is correct.... Just tested this on PAC ROM and I could access the camera and other lock screen widgets with both a pattern and pin lock
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nakedninja42 you are absolutely correct, thanks. I should say that I'm astonished that Samsung wouldn't offer this on their ROM.
Having said that, and maybe off-topic, my conclusion in moving from Apple to Android is Google allows far too much modification from the manufacturers and carriers to ensure a consistently good experience. Perhaps that's the nature of its open-source approach, but man has it been a massive pain trying to get a quality experience. Bluetooth problems, terrible lag, inconsistent application of UI rules, terrible battery drain-- in exchange for a more open environment (which, yes, is very important to me). Jury is out, I'm still trying to find a good working environment, not giving up yet.
starmanj said:
nakedninja42 you are absolutely correct, thanks. I should say that I'm astonished that Samsung wouldn't offer this on their ROM.
Having said that, and maybe off-topic, my conclusion in moving from Apple to Android is Google allows far too much modification from the manufacturers and carriers to ensure a consistently good experience. Perhaps that's the nature of its open-source approach, but man has it been a massive pain trying to get a quality experience. Bluetooth problems, terrible lag, inconsistent application of UI rules, terrible battery drain-- in exchange for a more open environment (which, yes, is very important to me). Jury is out, I'm still trying to find a good working environment, not giving up yet.
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But as the consumer you have the choice on what you buy. If you want something that has X set of features you can buy it (Nexus for example), if you want other features you buy a different phone. This is not unlike buying a car - most cars (these days) have Bluetooth, but the implementations vary greatly.
You bought a phone with Android, and most stores let you compare dozens of models side by side. If Camera on the lock screen is a requirement, it is easy to test drive to find one that supports this.
My phone is rooted and stock - it has no lag and works fantastically well with superior battery life to any smartphone i have owned. Touchwiz is not perfect, but neither is stock android IMO.
Yes, this is off topic, but the point is that if you want only one way to do something, and only one way, then Apple is for you. I recommend iphones to the technically challenged and older people - they can't get lost. The home button is always there and bails them out from any screen. And I can always help them get to settings and menus are 100% consistent. These people don't want widgets and don't want to do any customization, they want simple consistent experience. Android gives choices and that may mean that one phone has a feature that another phone does not. But then there are 3rd party apps that usually step in to fix things.
Widget locker may let you put the camera on the lockscreen - has anyone tried that?
starmanj said:
Came from Iphone where you can use camera even from a passcode-locked lockscreen. All the answers on the net require a NON-passcode locked lockscreen to get to the camera.
Are there any ways around this?
Thanks
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Kjay's framework allows it. You'll need to be on a BMEA ROM to use iy though.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42350844
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starmanj said:
nakedninja42 you are absolutely correct, thanks. I should say that I'm astonished that Samsung wouldn't offer this on their ROM.
Having said that, and maybe off-topic, my conclusion in moving from Apple to Android is Google allows far too much modification from the manufacturers and carriers to ensure a consistently good experience. Perhaps that's the nature of its open-source approach, but man has it been a massive pain trying to get a quality experience. Bluetooth problems, terrible lag, inconsistent application of UI rules, terrible battery drain-- in exchange for a more open environment (which, yes, is very important to me). Jury is out, I'm still trying to find a good working environment, not giving up yet.
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The nature of the game... Open-Source...
I haven't had any battery drains... in fact when I go to bed at night, I have ~50% left with the same usage I had on the S3 @ 10%. GoldenEye ROM solved all my other qualms with TouchWiz. I did find it annoying that I cannot use my widgets on the lockscreen that I removed my pattern/pin lock. I generally prefer running AOSP ROMs like CyanogenMOD, but I am waiting for the release of the Google SGS4 to see if the stability improves.
Yes I am waiting for the Google S4 ROM as well. I have CM on all my HP Touchpads so am a bit leary of quality of the device drivers for S4 at this point. The official Google version will fix that.
Theoretically, couldn't someone just find the files for the lockscreen and edit the code to allow it? I mean, it's like natively there already - right?
I haven't tried any custom ROMs, in fact i am pretty close to what the OP is describing, coming from an iPhone and having the learning experience. But I am really bummed I can't do it. lol
So bottom line is there any ROM that will allow the use of camera shortcuts or lockscreen widgets while having a secure lockscreen?
blackguy101 said:
So bottom line is there any ROM that will allow the use of camera shortcuts or lockscreen widgets while having a secure lockscreen?
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TW no, AOSP yes.
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shadowfiber said:
Theoretically, couldn't someone just find the files for the lockscreen and edit the code to allow it? I mean, it's like natively there already - right?
I haven't tried any custom ROMs, in fact i am pretty close to what the OP is describing, coming from an iPhone and having the learning experience. But I am really bummed I can't do it. lol
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Theoretically, yes. I am interested in this myself. I started programming a year ago and haven't had time to learn the ends and outs for Android to try yet. I am hoping someone with greater talents might be able to do it...
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......and people are right, Moto Blur is a cluster****.
I am not too tech savvy, but not a dummy either.
Suggestions and tips on rooting would be great.
Meanwhile, I will keep digging around this site, I am sure the answers are somewhere here, but there is so much info......
Try "gladroot"
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......and people are right, Moto Blur is a cluster****.
I am not too tech savvy, but not a dummy either.
Suggestions and tips on rooting would be great.
Meanwhile, I will keep digging around this site, I am sure the answers are somewhere here, but there is so much info......
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I just rooted my atrix last night with "gladroot". http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12540398
Before you root, install Motorola driver first. Nobody didn't mention about it until later and it took me for a while to troubleshoot. As long as you read and follow the instructions, it's not difficult.
http://briefmobile.com/motorola-atrix-4g-root
JRSOne said:
I am not too tech savvy, but not a dummy either.
Suggestions and tips on rooting would be great.
Meanwhile, I will keep digging around this site, I am sure the answers are somewhere here, but there is so much info......
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Don't have to dig far!
Rooting for dummies is on the 1st floor! LOL
Thanks a lot, very nice.
3GS -> Atrix
JRSOne said:
......and people are right, Moto Blur is a cluster****.
I am not too tech savvy, but not a dummy either.
Suggestions and tips on rooting would be great.
Meanwhile, I will keep digging around this site, I am sure the answers are somewhere here, but there is so much info......
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I just made the same switch last week (3GS -> Atrix). Agree that MotoBlur sux and it's also been painful syncing contacts and calendar from my work's Outlook (going through Google isn't an option)
One reason I made the switch was for the less restrictive Android OS. However if you're on version 1.57, it looks like you have to take a few steps backwards to get ahead (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12540398). Looks like I'll have to set aside some time to play...
JRSOne said:
......and people are right, Moto Blur is a cluster****.
I am not too tech savvy, but not a dummy either.
Suggestions and tips on rooting would be great.
Meanwhile, I will keep digging around this site, I am sure the answers are somewhere here, but there is so much info......
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Get adw launcher and use titanium backup to freeze blur. Fixes that problem right up. On the other hand, try running gingerblur which has a clean UI and runs quite smooth. It also removes a ton of other bloatware on the phone. Everything except adw launcher requires root of course.
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I don't understand why ppl say "blur sucks"....I like BLUR, it's very useful with all that widgets to have all your Social Networks quickly in one hand.
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I don't understand why ppl say "blur sucks"....I like BLUR, it's very useful with all that widgets to have all your Social Networks quickly in one hand.
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Blur USED to suck, past tense. It doesn't suck too badly anymore. And I can't see why a new user would say it sucks when they have no experience. This is just a blind statement.
I'm very picky with my launchers and if I could tweak Blur to look better and purge a few things I don't use, it actually wouldn't be very bad at all. But I like that with the other launchers I can personally tweak them precisely to my preference.
bongd said:
Blur USED to suck, past tense. It doesn't suck too badly anymore. And I can't see why a new user would say it sucks when they have no experience. This is just a blind statement.
I'm very picky with my launchers and if I could tweak Blur to look better and purge a few things I don't use, it actually wouldn't be very bad at all. But I like that with the other launchers I can personally tweak them precisely to my preference.
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BLUR sucks.
Exchange 2003 notifications are broken.
Unified Inbox doesn't include GMail. (that's a hurr durr right there)
Duplicate functionality of what already exists (Social Networking, Accounts, Corporate Sync)
I don't mind the homescreen/launcher.
My biggest complaint with blur is simply the lag when switching home screens and bringing up the full list of apps. And that you can't change anything on the dock. And the widgets are ugly. Oh wait...that's pretty much everything that blur does I hate...
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I am saying it sucks because I am comparing it to my iphone. I can't express how much cleaner, simplier and user friendly the 3GS is compared to blur.
I certainly hope that other Android phones are not this bad.
If I can't find a better OS that works for me, I will simply get an iphone 4. I guess I was spoiled.
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I am saying it sucks because I am comparing it to my iphone. I can't express how much cleaner, simplier and user friendly the 3GS is compared to blur.
I certainly hope that other Android phones are not this bad.
If I can't find a better OS that works for me, I will simply get an iphone 4. I guess I was spoiled.
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You mean the interface that is the exact same for everyone? The iPhone was made to be simpler. It's so everyone can use it. If you like being coddled by Apple, return the Atrix and get your i4.
It's up to you. WebOS is rising, WP7, BBOS (not as popular). Your pick, dude. Like I said, the iOS devices are made so that even a monkey could pick one up and work it like a pro.
If you're not going to take the time to tweak your device to your liking, go with iOS.
JRSOne said:
I am saying it sucks because I am comparing it to my iphone. I can't express how much cleaner, simplier and user friendly the 3GS is compared to blur.
I certainly hope that other Android phones are not this bad.
If I can't find a better OS that works for me, I will simply get an iphone 4. I guess I was spoiled.
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Yep. The other androids are not that bad. The original froyo has a cleaner and faster approach than motoblur. Motoblur by far is the worst UI-skin you can possibly have.
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Yep. The other androids are not that bad. The original froyo has a cleaner and faster approach than motoblur. Motoblur by far is the worst UI-skin you can possibly have.
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Have you ever tried TouchWiz? the iPhone wanna-be? Sense is decent, but Blur is one of the closest manufacture's skins to Vanilla Android.
Also, your opinion on Blur is your own. Many people love and use Blur, and many people do not. Just because you say it's the worst, does not make it so.
I advise you to try out all the other different interfaces, and tell me Blur is the complete and total worst you have ever tried.
What about the newer blur on the droid x?
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PixoNova said:
Have you ever tried TouchWiz? the iPhone wanna-be? Sense is decent, but Blur is one of the closest manufacture's skins to Vanilla Android.
Also, your opinion on Blur is your own. Many people love and use Blur, and many people do not. Just because you say it's the worst, does not make it so.
I advise you to try out all the other different interfaces, and tell me Blur is the complete and total worst you have ever tried.
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Lol. It was obviously an opinion. I did not in any way said im representing the whole android community duh.
I have tried touchwiz, sense and the LG UI already. And of course i've also tried the original android stock UI.
I kinda want to know what people doesn't like on motoblur. The panels? You can empty all of them and end up with 7 panels on witch you can put whatever icons, shorcuts, widgets (and so on) you like. I'm coming from sense but I can customize the motoblur to look just as good. Don't feel like using launcher pro and already uninstalled regina 3D and adw. I woulg probably give a spb a try if they would have a trial.
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JRSOne said:
I am saying it sucks because I am comparing it to my iphone. I can't express how much cleaner, simplier and user friendly the 3GS is compared to blur.
I certainly hope that other Android phones are not this bad.
If I can't find a better OS that works for me, I will simply get an iphone 4. I guess I was spoiled.
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I'm also coming from an iPhone, and here are some things I think are superior on the Atrix (and Android) to the iPhone (and iOS):
1. Non-intrusive notifications! I hated how on the iPhone, notifications pop up as dialogs that have to be closed. Sometimes you're doing something important, and you get a text message which pops up right in the middle of the screen. Irritating! I like how you can slide down the top bar when you want and it shows you your notifications.
2. Notification LED. It's great to be able to tell that you have messages or a missed call without having to turn on the screen.
3. Four hardware buttons instead of just one. After you've used the phone awhile, you'll realize how useful a back button and a menu button can be. You have to switch back to home less than you do with an iPhone. Also, hold down your home button and shortcuts to your last 8 used apps will appear.
4. Every application must advertise what features of your phone it has access to in the Manage Applications settings pages. So if an app can read and write to your contact data, it says so in the settings. On the iPhone, you have to rely on Apple to make sure all apps are doing what they're supposed to. Worse, if you get apps from Cydia, well then you're completely on your own.
5. You have 15 minutes to get a refund if you buy something from the Android Market. That's a pretty short time if you have to download a big application, but better that than no refunds at all.
6. Having the option to use an external micro-SD card is pretty nice.
7. Unlike the iPhone, the home screen and the app drawer are two separate things. It's nice to have widgets to customize your home screens.
8. For obvious reasons, Android versions of Google applications tend to have more features on Android than on the iPhone. For example, Maps has that cool 3D compass view, instead of the regular "up is North" top-down view. It also has a Street View add-on which is pretty neat and works quite well.
9. GPS seems faster and more precise on my Atrix than on my iPhone (and my friend's iPhone 4). I've heard others say the opposite with respect to the iPhone 4, so maybe it depends on where in the world you are.
10. For Bell users (ATT users have to pay I think?), Mobile wifi hotspot works great. I've tried tethering my Macbook Pro to the phone via wifi, and it works really well.
11. There's a basic data counter built in, which shows you how much data you're using, and by which apps.
12. There's a pretty decent Battery Manager built in, which shows very clearly what percentage of your used battery was used by each phone function, or application.
13. It comes with Swype as an alternate input system to the virtual keyboard, but you're free to install other 3rd party input methods if you like (there are quite a few).
Well, I don't know if I missed anything, but for the most part, these are the things that impressed me the most after using the Atrix for a couple weeks. I'm very happy I moved to the Atrix, but that's not to say that I hate the iPhone. I still like it, it has a very polished feel and the best screen in the business. And after all, it was the breakthrough smart phone when it first came out. There are just a few things that I think they really need to improve (notifications!).
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I kinda want to know what people doesn't like on motoblur.
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I liked some of the features of Motoblur, like having the Manage Applications settings right in the menu of your homescreens. Very useful. Some of the widgets are nice too. My major complaint is that Motoblur is so choppy when scrolling around! That's unacceptable for a high-end phone, in my opinion.
PixoNova said:
the iOS devices are made so that even a monkey could pick one up and work it like a pro.
If you're not going to take the time to tweak your device to your liking, go with iOS.
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+1 this is the reason why people think that iphone its a ladies phone. its easy to use, no customizable and very locked device, like you say XD even a monkey can work on it like a pro
Please take a minute to read my question in the general forum, and see if you agree: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33401284
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Just in case no one wants to go to the other forum to read:
Here's a very simple question for anyone out that who happens to know the answer, or who thinks they might know a solution:
Is it possible to force Google Play Music (or any app for that matter!) to use a tablet UI instead, regardless of your DPI settings or ROM? (Kinda like how you can do this for individual apps on Paranoid Android) If so, how? What's involved?
To elaborate, I'm currently pretty happy with my shiny new Galaxy Note II, and honestly, I can't really say many bad things about the stock TouchWiz UI this time around; I think Samsung (mostly) got it right, at least well enough for me that I don't feel the insatiable urge to flash an AOSP/AOKP ROM or something else. I also happen to love using the Google Play Music app as my daily driver for all my music.
However, the phone UI for Google Play Music is, (how can I put this delicately?), utterly and hopelessly abysmal. It's awful! It's ugly! It's nowhere NEAR as fluid and as intuitive or even functional as its tablet UI counterpart!
I dearly miss the Google Play Music experience on my GTab 7.7, and I wish I could bring that same experience over to my Note II.
I already know about changing DPI settings in my build.prop, but since that causes a whole litany of issues with a stock interface (TouchWiz in particular), that's not what I'm looking for here. I'm looking for a way of somehow tweaking a per-app UI/DPI layout for specific apps, much like how you can with a Paranoid Android ROM, BUT while staying on whichever ROM you happen to be running.
As awesome as the Note 2 is, I do kinda feel that Samsung is dropping the ball on this one. If they're going to market the device as a happy medium between a phone and a tablet, a hybrid device for all intents and purposes, then it seems logical to reason that they really should have made a hybrid UI for it right from the get-go. Without a truly hybrid stock UI baked in, it's just another high end phone, with a REALLY big screen and an S-Pen.
Then again, maybe I'm just crazy...
Jade Eyed Wolf said:
Just in case no one wants to go to the other forum to read:
Here's a very simple question for anyone out that who happens to know the answer, or who thinks they might know a solution:
Is it possible to force Google Play Music (or any app for that matter!) to use a tablet UI instead, regardless of your DPI settings or ROM? (Kinda like how you can do this for individual apps on Paranoid Android) If so, how? What's involved?
To elaborate, I'm currently pretty happy with my shiny new Galaxy Note II, and honestly, I can't really say many bad things about the stock TouchWiz UI this time around; I think Samsung (mostly) got it right, at least well enough for me that I don't feel the insatiable urge to flash an AOSP/AOKP ROM or something else. I also happen to love using the Google Play Music app as my daily driver for all my music.
However, the phone UI for Google Play Music is, (how can I put this delicately?), utterly and hopelessly abysmal. It's awful! It's ugly! It's nowhere NEAR as fluid and as intuitive or even functional as its tablet UI counterpart!
I dearly miss the Google Play Music experience on my GTab 7.7, and I wish I could bring that same experience over to my Note II.
I already know about changing DPI settings in my build.prop, but since that causes a whole litany of issues with a stock interface (TouchWiz in particular), that's not what I'm looking for here. I'm looking for a way of somehow tweaking a per-app UI/DPI layout for specific apps, much like how you can with a Paranoid Android ROM, BUT while staying on whichever ROM you happen to be running.
As awesome as the Note 2 is, I do kinda feel that Samsung is dropping the ball on this one. If they're going to market the device as a happy medium between a phone and a tablet, a hybrid device for all intents and purposes, then it seems logical to reason that they really should have made a hybrid UI for it right from the get-go. Without a truly hybrid stock UI baked in, it's just another high end phone, with a REALLY big screen and an S-Pen.
Then again, maybe I'm just crazy...
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Good to see someone else taking an interest!
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Good to see someone else taking an interest!
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Yeah, I too miss the elegance of the Google music experience...the album art doesn't show up...when I try to fast forward, the device restarts the song completely. ..
Hey everyone!
I've been looking to get back into ROM development, after a too much so extended break.
So what exactly would you all like to see? Stock, or AOSP? If so, what would you like out of either of these? Leave me some feedback, and let me know what you all would like to see. ^_^
I'd love something like these:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2266993
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2349656
Stock ROM with ports, activated features that were previously hidden, new features...
I'm getting this beauty in a few months when I pass by the US, so I'd love something for it. But seems like 4.2.2 for it is just around the corner, so you could wait a bit before doing anything based on stock...
And, on 4.2.2, PLEASE do one of these hacks that bring the 4.1.2 System Layout back. I hate the 4.2.2 one (status bar at top, buttons at bottom). Suck a waste of screen space...
Felimenta97 said:
I'd love something like these:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2266993
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2349656
Stock ROM with ports, activated features that were previously hidden, new features...
I'm getting this beauty in a few months when I pass by the US, so I'd love something for it. But seems like 4.2.2 for it is just around the corner, so you could wait a bit before doing anything based on stock...
And, on 4.2.2, PLEASE do one of these hacks that bring the 4.1.2 System Layout back. I hate the 4.2.2 one (status bar at top, buttons at bottom). Suck a waste of screen space...
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Yeah, I'll likely be waiting on 4.2.2. And that's also assuming that Sony didn't go ahead and rectify that on the 4.2.2 build. (As that's a rather offsetting UI change.)
Dameon87 said:
Yeah, I'll likely be waiting on 4.2.2. And that's also assuming that Sony didn't go ahead and rectify that on the 4.2.2 build. (As that's a rather offsetting UI change.)
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Thanks. As I've been reading with some people with info, they are finalizing the software. Also, seems like you're a really good dev. Coming from the Samsung Epic 4G and the LG G2x. Can't wait to get my hands on this tablet and also seeing your work here.
See ya another time, bro
i would love you if you could do something similar to slimbean
+1 for something stock based!
Because I definitely want the special features (MHL, IR blaster, Small Apps etc.), and in AOSP-based ROMs it seems rather unlikely that we will get these...
yeah, stock based would be awesome. do not want to miss out on some cool features like the remote control etc
do people look in the development section. Apache; a contest winner is making a ir blaster for aosp roms so we can use tablet as remote
Sent from my SGP311 using xda app-developers app
Yeah, honestly I was thinking something stock based as well, unless I can port some of the features to a CM or AOSP based rom. Truth be told, I actually prefer the Sony interface over AOSP; and I'm a huge AOSP supporter. Sony did it right with their interface. Minimal additions, but all seemingly add to the appeal of the interface. The small apps are quite nice too; and those would be rather hellish to port to AOSP.
@skiwong20 ; That's fine and dandy, but the application is far from mature at this point, and it's hardly the most appealing looking application at this time. No disrespect to the developer, as he's done a great job. But the maturity of the application simply isn't there, yet.
The ROM style I dig is best summed up with a look at the Viper ROMs on HTC devices. Mostly stock, but with an external mod supplied app that allows to toggle all the small and nifty tidbits... Changing app drawer grid size, modifying hardware buttons and the behavior of the soft buttons.
Adding stuff like: quick double tap on task manager icon does not bring up the app list but just toggles back to the last used app. Double tap Home goes directly to Google Now or something else, user-configrable, etc.
If its unclear let me knoe, and I will elaborate, its late here, need to sleep
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Hey everyone!
I've been looking to get back into ROM development, after a too much so extended break.
So what exactly would you all like to see? Stock, or AOSP? If so, what would you like out of either of these? Leave me some feedback, and let me know what you all would like to see. ^_^
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I'd like a port of the Nexus 7 Ubuntu desktop ROM to this tablet. I know folks like android, but this thing is basically an HD-res desktop PC. That's thinner than a pencil.
The main hiccup is the Xorg driver, but I think this has some probability of working: http://freedreno.github.io/
Anyway, I'd be willing to collaborate on it, but I'd like to see Ubuntu Core working on this without all the Ubuntu Touch bits...
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Got mine for one week, is there hidden stuff that I missed ?
Not so much developement in this section, definitely recovery for locked bootloader is missing, I don't really need it myself as I'll unlock it soon when more stuff will be available but some have requested.
An Advanced Stock Kernel would be cool too, for now only DoomKernel is available.
Just what comes in mind...
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Got mine for one week, is there hidden stuff that I missed ?
Not so much developement in this section, definitely recovery for locked bootloader is missing, I don't really need it myself as I'll unlock it soon when more stuff will be available but some have requested.
An Advanced Stock Kernel would be cool too, for now only DoomKernel is available.
Just what comes in mind...
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I don't know exactly in Tablet Z, but if you decompile some apps from Xperia S, Xperia Z, there are stuff in bools.xml, for example, that activates some nice stuff. Sadly, no one managed yet to deodex the stock ROM, that's why there is no stock based ROMs around. You need a deodexed ROM to make some mods...
Tough choice, dev. Stock looks really cool and keeping the functionality of the multitasking windows and the IR blaster would obviously be great, but isn't the lag quite bad in simple scrolling of home screens? I would say pure Android would be better on this device but that is just my humble opinion :cyclops:
Looking forward to seeing your great work.
Well I'm running CM10.1 on my Xperia Z Tablet SGP311 - works pretty well, no GPS, no IR Blaster
Although it has the horrible navigation buttons in the middle - I'm always hitting either home or back or multi-task when I'm typing away furiously - but I must admit that I like the top use for notifications. Seems logical to have it up the top.
Either way OP all I'm after is the something regularly maintained, with good communication. I know thats a lot to ask, but its critical if people want to use your hard work.
Thanks in advance mate.
Tel'X
1: How easy is it to root a G2? I am very interested in running pure android on it.
2: Is rooting and going pure Android worth doing, or do you lose useful features by doing that?
3:How is the Dev community for this phone. Are there lots of people working on Roms and such?
4: Is there anything you guys can think of that I should know before making this switch to this phone? IE Hardware or software problems, advice, anything
5: Does the G2 have wireless charging like my Nexus 7 does? Does it have HDMI out as well?
1. Very easy, matter of connencting phone and running special exe
2. You don't loose anything, just warranty is void in when your phone is rooted, but you can easily get back to stock.
3. Not yet, but G2 community grows fast.
4. As ex-galaxian user getting used to buttons on back of the phone was pretty hard, but I'm ok with it now.
5. As I know only verizon version has this feature.
Apologize for my English.
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1. Very easy, matter of connencting phone and running special exe
2. You don't loose anything, just warranty is void in when your phone is rooted, but you can easily get back to stock.
3. Not yet, but G2 community grows fast.
4. As ex-galaxian user getting used to buttons on back of the phone was pretty hard, but I'm ok with it now.
5. As I know only verizon version has this feature.
Apologize for my English.
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Thanks! One last question, is Wifi Hotspot enabled on this phone? What if it is running a custom ROM?
WiFi hotspot works well, both for stock and Cyanogenmod .
Thank you, Razdar the Helpful! I shall sacrifice several beers in your honor later this evening!
No problem my friend. Making iPhone user pick android is always worth time . Feel free to ask if you have further questions about G2 :laugh:.
Actually yes when going back to stock rom your running stock android... which is a pretty light weight operating system... you are loosing some useful features in the g2 such as Knock on from homescreen which can be easily solved with apex launcher or nova launcher prime... however things i like about stock are texting pop ups that are very handy if your in the middle of something but want to reply quick... also the calling pop up i think is very nice because you can just swipe it up and it cancles the ring but keeps the call going (very useful if you like to let people think you arnt ignoring them haha) but other things such as quick memo and the built in application Quickremote... many other features to granite with CM or any other rom its gonna have some features to but for your instance before roming id give stock LG's UI a try before you go to roming the device... i did the same and am having a very positive experience... also right now im running stock rom with pie controlls and its very nice without the nav bar... the full screen and LG's UI is a win for me... however im a ROM junky so ill eventually rom it haha just keep in mind things like quick remote and quickmemo/ long hold on the power button down to launch camera app... however i do believe quick remote is accessable on an AOSP rom just look through the threads for it Hope this helped
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Actually yes when going back to stock rom your running stock android... which is a pretty light weight operating system... you are loosing some useful features in the g2 such as Knock on from homescreen which can be easily solved with apex launcher or nova launcher prime... however things i like about stock are texting pop ups that are very handy if your in the middle of something but want to reply quick... also the calling pop up i think is very nice because you can just swipe it up and it cancles the ring but keeps the call going (very useful if you like to let people think you arnt ignoring them haha) but other things such as quick memo and the built in application Quickremote... many other features to granite with CM or any other rom its gonna have some features to but for your instance before roming id give stock LG's UI a try before you go to roming the device... i did the same and am having a very positive experience... also right now im running stock rom with pie controlls and its very nice without the nav bar... the full screen and LG's UI is a win for me... however im a ROM junky so ill eventually rom it haha just keep in mind things like quick remote and quickmemo/ long hold on the power button down to launch camera app... however i do believe quick remote is accessable on an AOSP rom just look through the threads for it Hope this helped
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Nailed it on the head. Didn't bother ROMing after using stock UI for a while. I'd miss the features like the pop ups too much.
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Nailed it on the head. Didn't bother ROMing after using stock UI for a while. I'd miss the features like the pop ups too much.
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Honestly i think the only rom i would get stuck on is Cleanrom but its just a copy with better performance haha it upsets me when people compare this UI to touchwiz and say it has useless features xD
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Honestly i think the only rom i would get stuck on is Cleanrom but its just a copy with better performance haha it upsets me when people compare this UI to touchwiz and say it has useless features xD
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That's the only ROM I was planning to switch to. Yeah, I know, I don't understand how people can claim that LG's UI is as bad or worse than TouchWiz. Personally, I think people that are making thise claims are just looking for something negative. It's not obtrusive and features can easily be switched off unlike TouchWiz where you have to hunt for everything.
EDIT: So, given that no Oreo/Pie ROM can match the TouchWiz features below, serious question: Why in the world does everyone prefer vanilla Android? I don't want to have to find 10 apps with extra steps just to replace system-level features of a skinned ROM. So vanilla Android honestly makes no sense to me.
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I'm the rare N7 TW holdout. I LIKE TouchWiz, particularly Note 7 ports, where I guess they called it Samsung Experience.
But I can't stay on Marshmallow forever.
For Oreo/Pie/10 ROMs, what ROM has the below features? Or what's the easiest way to replace them?
Call recording built into the Dialer/In-Call UI
Scroll Capture (vertically scrolling screenshots)
SNote-type note app (seriously, the font choices, point size, text frames, etc. make it tough to beat)
RELIABLE SIM (since all newer N4 ROMs seem to have SIM death)
Robust photo editing built into the Gallery
ETA: The clipboard.
Probably more, but if someone knows how to replace those as close to system level as possible, I'd probably go that route. Thank you for any feedback!
The best replacement for snote seems to be squid, but some things there cost $.
FYI I am also on the same boat, but I'll be holding out on marshmallow for since time longer.
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The best replacement for snote seems to be squid, but some things there cost $.
FYI I am also on the same boat, but I'll be holding out on marshmallow for since time longer.
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I like your style! I'll check out Squid!
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I'm the rare N7 TW holdout. I LIKE TouchWiz, particularly Note 7 ports, where I guess they called it Samsung Experience.
But I can't stay on Marshmallow forever.
For Oreo/Pie/10 ROMs, what ROM has the below features? Or what's the easiest way to replace them?
Call recording built into the Dialer/In-Call UI
Scroll Capture (vertically scrolling screenshots)
SNote-type note app (seriously, the font choices, point size, text frames, etc. make it tough to beat)
RELIABLE SIM (since all newer N4 ROMs seem to have SIM death)
Robust photo editing built into the Gallery
Probably more, but if someone knows how to replace those as close to system level as possible, I'd probably go that route. Thank you for any feedback!
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I'm also partial to TW but have been using some open source pie roms lately and for the most part I don't miss much about TouchWiz. The spen is the biggest cost for me personally. I had never tried squid before but I just installed it and my initial impression is favorable to some others I've tried. Spen commander works well for some people and I like Evernote as well but so far nothing they all lack the integration and intuition of the stock spen features and due to the proprietary nature of it there's a chance that won't get much better.
Due to the extra steps required I haven't even been using the spen with those roms since the convenience of it just isn't the same. Also, scroll capture fits in the same boat. There are apps to replace that function but it's certainly not as convenient as just using the spen.
Everything else, from my point of view, works well. The camera does fail every once in awhile. It's not often but often enough to be aggravating depending on your usage.
Looking through most of those rom threads you'll see plenty of people claiming that those roms are as reliable as stock or that all/most stock functions can be replaced but that's just not been my experience. However, there are plenty of things that I do like about the newer OS's and the reliability gap isn't as big as I assumed it was going to be. They're certainly prettier than 6.0.1.
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I'm also partial to TW but have been using some open source pie roms lately and for the most part I don't miss much about TouchWiz.
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All great to know.
Funny to hear YOU say it, though. I'm feeling a bit starstruck to see your reply. You're one of the reasons I've stuck with TW! Flashpoint's nonnegotiable for every TW ROM. Thank you for your great work!