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Cingular will not insure this. Anybody can recommend a 3rd party insurance to cover this phone. Any experience in dealing with them as far as fast claims and other info is most welcome.
Thank you.
Damn it doesn't? Cingular 8125 did, I remember mine got damage and they sent me a replacement for it.
ZzFDKzZ said:
Damn it doesn't? Cingular 8125 did, I remember mine got damage and they sent me a replacement for it.
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You're good for one year as far as Cingular warranty is concerned.
The only reason I'm get from phones from a carrier.
I've had three replacement HP6515 and one replacement 8125.
PDA phones just have problems, screen alignment, buttons not working, freezing, stuck headphone tips e.g.
Cingular told me the same thing. I believe this is new. They used to insure smartphones, but now they are not. I better be careful with my full priced 8525!!
cingular has never carried insurance on their smartphone, i remember not being able to get one for my moto mpx220. There is a 1 year warranty period but that only covers defects... HOWEVER there is a website that i know of and they are trustworthy that will sell sperate insurance on mobile devices, phones/laptops, etc..
http://safeware.com/
shogunmark said:
cingular has never carried insurance on their smartphone, i remember not being able to get one for my moto mpx220. There is a 1 year warranty period but that only covers defects... HOWEVER there is a website that i know of and they are trustworthy that will sell sperate insurance on mobile devices, phones/laptops, etc..
http://safeware.com/
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Really? It must of been Sprint and Verizon only then. I know that for sure. They charge ~$6 per month for insurance. I guess Cingular never did that. I have recently switched back.
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Really? It must of been Sprint and Verizon only then. I know that for sure. They charge ~$6 per month for insurance. I guess Cingular never did that. I have recently switched back.
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i have been with cingular since 2000 (swbell wireless back then) and they have never offered insurance for high end phones.. which i think is lame.. they only offer insurance on your low end phones and its like $4 a month. why in the hell would i want insurance on a $100 phone then pay $50 for a deductable.. doesnt make sense. your only options is a 3rd party, i know some homeowners insurance will cover it, but then you are talking an even higher deductable..
i havent personally used safeware.com but read some really good reviews on them somewhere. And i do plan on using them one of these days..
I had my 8125 insured with Safeware. I just got my check now for it, about 1.5 months after the claim was made. I had insured it for $500, and I got the full $500. They were pokey, and I had to call them constantly to get updates, but they did do what they said they would. So I'll keep my insurance with them..
Pick up my 8525 tomorrow.. I dunno why, but it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack when it comes to the 8525 in the detroit area..
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I had my 8125 insured with Safeware. I just got my check now for it, about 1.5 months after the claim was made. I had insured it for $500, and I got the full $500. They were pokey, and I had to call them constantly to get updates, but they did do what they said they would. So I'll keep my insurance with them..
Pick up my 8525 tomorrow.. I dunno why, but it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack when it comes to the 8525 in the detroit area..
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bout time you come join us over here Skot.. and from what i understand most retail outlets are hard to come by the 8525, i ordered mine online, was the easiest for me
Yeah, I've been without my PDA phone for far too long. Can any of you guys imagine getting stuck with using a bloody Motorola C139 for a month and a half? For a temporary use for phone, it's great, but long term use, no thanks..
I'm not surprised that the retails stores are having a hard time getting them. What I'm wondering is if it's a supply not meeting the demand problem, or online resalers just happened to be first in line in getting them.. I guess I was lucky.. The third store I called had one, and it was their last one. My buddy who bought one spent a Saturday calling like 10 different stores or something, no luck. Then he ended up calling a shop just south of where I live and managed to get one.. He loves it..
So, now, I can't wait to get it. I'm ready to start hacking it to bits the best I can.. And maybe this one I won't drop and break.
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HTC the company gives u a 1 year warrenty on products as long as it is not "ur fault" PDA fones have alot of problems, most can be fixed with help from these forums alot can't be. I've had my 8125 7 months now and i just needed it to get replaced. I had these problems:
Screen alignment : (fixed by a patch of loosening screws on the back of the screen)
Stylus not staying in: (placing a towel ontop of the unit and putting alot of weight but not enuf to break the unit on it for overnight)
Unreponsive keys on the keyboard: ( i just got used to dealing wit em )
Touch screen gives out: (time for replacement)
Called up the number supplied by a cingular representative and they ensured me of HTC's warrently sent me a replacement fone and everything with no questions asked accept about my account and the IMEI number and some confirmation things you need to do on the fone. The only thing I didnt like about the replacement fone is that it didnt come with a battery or new battery case cover.
xSoNiCcRaCkErSx said:
HTC the company gives u a 1 year warrenty on products as long as it is not "ur fault" PDA fones have alot of problems, most can be fixed with help from these forums alot can't be. I've had my 8125 7 months now and i just needed it to get replaced. I had these problems:
Screen alignment : (fixed by a patch of loosening screws on the back of the screen)
Stylus not staying in: (placing a towel ontop of the unit and putting alot of weight but not enuf to break the unit on it for overnight)
Unreponsive keys on the keyboard: ( i just got used to dealing wit em )
Touch screen gives out: (time for replacement)
Called up the number supplied by a cingular representative and they ensured me of HTC's warrently sent me a replacement fone and everything with no questions asked accept about my account and the IMEI number and some confirmation things you need to do on the fone. The only thing I didnt like about the replacement fone is that it didnt come with a battery or new battery case cover.
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that sounds like cingular's warranty by mail (HTC wouldnt have asked about your account, maybe only proof of purchase). Yes the 1yr warranty is great if its not your fault.. but what do you do if it is your fault? That is what we are covering on this thread. Most cell providers offer some kind of insurance on the cheaper "dumb" phones but not the expensive smart phones (this still dont make sense to me). So in order to insure your device you need to seek a 3rd party such as safeware. They will also fix your phone or send you a check in the event your phone is damaged past the 1 year manufacturer warranty..
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Im not plugging safeware.. they are just the only 3rd party i know that provides insurance on this level for mobile devices
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that sounds like cingular's warranty by mail (HTC wouldnt have asked about your account, maybe only proof of purchase). Yes the 1yr warranty is great if its not your fault.. but what do you do if it is your fault? That is what we are covering on this thread. Most cell providers offer some kind of insurance on the cheaper "dumb" phones but not the expensive smart phones (this still dont make sense to me). So in order to insure your device you need to seek a 3rd party such as safeware. They will also fix your phone or send you a check in the event your phone is damaged past the 1 year manufacturer warranty..
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Im not plugging safeware.. they are just the only 3rd party i know that provides insurance on this level for mobile devices
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yes shogun your right, cingular pointed me to www.safeware.com
they have insurance there for the PDA fones but its quite expensive and i frankly think it isnt worth it at all.
im not sure how much it is now but it was like $25 deposit and if your fone is stolen you gatta pay some outrageous fee of like 250-350 dollars depending on the device instead of the norm 50 bucks.
i dunno how much it is now i havent bothered looking. heres a website tho since i kno thats what u lookin for. hope it helps.
I'll tell you what then, tell me where you live, I'll steal your phone, and you tell me if it was worth it or not, especially if you don't have the funds available to replace it right away.
Sorry, but for some poeple, it's worth it. I paid $60 a year for my 8125. Not even six months after taking out the policy, I broke my 8125 beyond repair. They gave me a check for $500 (as that's what I was insured up to when I crated the policy). Okay, sure, it took a little while, but considering I only spend $60 to replace it, it was worth it.
Eventually, when I become rich and can afford to drop $500 to replace my phone without thinking twice, it won't be a problem (hell, even if I were rich, $500 phone, $60 per year, it gets destroyed, I ultimately only end up paying $60 to replace it).. Until then, I like having that kind of protection that Cingular doesn't offer.
One of the claims to fame for Safeware is that there's no deductible, and that they cover your device.
I was thinking that someone had mentioned another site besides safeware.com in this thread, but now i don't see it. Was I seeing things or did someone edit their post?
I too had my 8125 insured with safeware and switched mid-year to my 8525 when I upgraded, but if you go to the safeware.com site now you won't find a selection for a PDA device like they used to have. I wonder if they are no longer offering new policies on equipment like ours? I thought the cost was reasonable for the coverage provided (about $60-70) for a year, but it would be a shame if they aren't offering insurance products any longer on PDA devices.
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I got safeware. $500 insurance with no deductible for $60 / yr.
better than my homeowners could do. better than lockline (cingular) because no deductible. covers memory card too.
good luck.
I'm debating on buying the EPIC 4g. The super expensive price is already a deterrent for me. Also the fact that it is Samsung is another huge deterrent. I had the Samsung Moment and the charger broke on me 5 times. I had to take it in to Sprint every time and they charged me $50 each time and my device isn't even a year old yet. My charging port on my Moment has broken yet again so I have to charge the battery in an external charger. I'm not rough with my phones either. I take VERY good care of them.
There isn't any question in this post.
Hey, I have a few questions too. Penguins are neat. I really like pizza, but I hate mushrooms. Also, I really like going to the beach but driving through New Jersey really bothers me. I'm a good driver though.
On a totally unrelated note, buy the Epic.
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I'm debating on buying the EPIC 4g. The super expensive price is already a deterrent for me. Also the fact that it is Samsung is another huge deterrent. I had the Samsung Moment and the charger broke on me 5 times. I had to take it in to Sprint every time and they charged me $50 each time and my device isn't even a year old yet. My charging port on my Moment has broken yet again so I have to charge the battery in an external charger. I'm not rough with my phones either. I take VERY good care of them.
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1) It will likely be $200 or less even for upgraders a few weeks after release, assuming it doesn't sell out. Therefore if you wait and see what people experience with it and wait for some devlopment on it, then get the phone, you will be set
2) If something happens like a charging port breaking, that should be covered free under the warranty. If they charged you for it, then it's just because they can. Be smart and buy the $7/month insurance for your phone, then they'd probably handle issues like that for free, I would hope. Or you could always do the warranty through samsung if it came down to it. Also if you are waiting a few weeks before trying to get the phone, this gives you time to see if there seem to be any immediate build quality issues, from charging port trouble to other issues.
Guys, just because the OP didn't specifically ask questions doesn't mean there were obvious questions/concerns in there. Don't be dense/rude.
Thanks for not being rude. I did have the warranty. Sprint said that the charging port breaking was "physical damage," that's why I had to pay $50 each time.
cachorropedorro said:
Thanks for not being rude. I did have the warranty. Sprint said that the charging port breaking was "physical damage," that's why I had to pay $50 each time.
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That's total BS. I'd say show me where there is any sign of physical damage or stress put on my phone. If they can't show, prove or explain it to you, then they can't very well charge you for it. You need to play hardball with these people. Charging ports break all the time, Pretty much every laptop I know of has the port/cord wear out/break after a couple years, except for mine of course. It just happens. Either way that would suck with the epic then because it has a $100 deductible not a $50 deductible.
You could always print out the policy and explain that you believe the issue to be due to "normal wear and tear" as the contract covers "Mechanical or electrical failure, routine maintenance, and failure from normal wear and tear. File your replacement request within 60 days of incident." I'd call the port just outright breaking through no fault of my own, a mechanical failure due to wear and tear. Then again I guess they could just pull the "act of god" card on you.
"The Program does not cover:
1> Incidental or consequential damages; 2> FAILURES CAUSED BY ACTS OF GOD, fire, flood, explosion,
war, terrorism, strike, embargo, acts of the government, military authority, or the elements"
that makes sense right? God wanted your phone to die because he secretly is out to get you, just like those little green men you hide under the bed from haha. Either way I'd say they just try to charge you wherever they can, and if you stay calm and logically explain your position and belief and know yourself to be in the right, and stand your ground, you can often get away without paying the deductible.
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Hey, I have a few questions too. Penguins are neat. I really like pizza, but I hate mushrooms. Also, I really like going to the beach but driving through New Jersey really bothers me. I'm a good driver though.
On a totally unrelated note, buy the Epic.
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lmaOFF!!!!!!!
I don't understand what some of you people do with your phones... In my center (well over 1000 people) we rarely hear about any issues with our phones. Sure i've seen laggy Hero's and Moment's and regular ol' computer issues with phones, but have yet to see broken charger ports, cracked screens, leaking light from any phone without the person admitting "yeah I ****ed it up and dropped it"
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I'm debating on buying the EPIC 4g. The super expensive price is already a deterrent for me. Also the fact that it is Samsung is another huge deterrent. I had the Samsung Moment and the charger broke on me 5 times. I had to take it in to Sprint every time and they charged me $50 each time and my device isn't even a year old yet. My charging port on my Moment has broken yet again so I have to charge the battery in an external charger. I'm not rough with my phones either. I take VERY good care of them.
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For a guy who thinks $250 is a "super expensive price" you sure did bend over pretty quickly when sprint charged you $250 grand total for your 5 broken chargers. Although you are most likely just a stupid troll I felt the need to point this out. In the off chance that you're not a troll, please refrain from trying to open cans or peel potatoes with your usb port in the future, kthx.
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I don't understand what some of you people do with your phones... In my center (well over 1000 people) we rarely hear about any issues with our phones. Sure i've seen laggy Hero's and Moment's and regular ol' computer issues with phones, but have yet to see broken charger ports, cracked screens, leaking light from any phone without the person admitting "yeah I ****ed it up and dropped it"
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You gotta admit the dust under the screen and the buttons chipping off on the hero must be very common problems. Every hero owner I know has at least 2 or 3 buttons that are chipped away to the point of being unrecognizable.
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You gotta admit the dust under the screen and the buttons chipping off on the hero must be very common problems. Every hero owner I know has at least 2 or 3 buttons that are chipped away to the point of being unrecognizable.
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Both problems I had on my hero. But i didnt warrant it as big enough to go and get an exchange.
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You gotta admit the dust under the screen and the buttons chipping off on the hero must be very common problems. Every hero owner I know has at least 2 or 3 buttons that are chipped away to the point of being unrecognizable.
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My hero buttons are chipped as well, but that's just regular wear and tear... Most of the people on here don't put their phones down so it wears and tears a lot faster than a regular customer. I know plenty of people with a hero who don't have the chipped paint problem as well
I have a feeling the OP is going to a third party store and getting ripped off, because #1, if he had insurance and the phone *was* actually physically damaged, the Moment would cost $100 each time, and it would have to be through the insurance company. If he was buying new chargers, it's $40, but the charger has a 1 year warranty on it.
Frankly, I think this guy is either exaggerating, completely BSing us, or being ripped off by a third party store and for some reason isn't questioning it.
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That's total BS. I'd say show me where there is any sign of physical damage or stress put on my phone. If they can't show, prove or explain it to you, then they can't very well charge you for it. You need to play hardball with these people. Charging ports break all the time, Pretty much every laptop I know of has the port/cord wear out/break after a couple years, except for mine of course. It just happens. Either way that would suck with the epic then because it has a $100 deductible not a $50 deductible.
You could always print out the policy and explain that you believe the issue to be due to "normal wear and tear" as the contract covers "Mechanical or electrical failure, routine maintenance, and failure from normal wear and tear. File your replacement request within 60 days of incident." I'd call the port just outright breaking through no fault of my own, a mechanical failure due to wear and tear. Then again I guess they could just pull the "act of god" card on you.
"The Program does not cover:
1> Incidental or consequential damages; 2> FAILURES CAUSED BY ACTS OF GOD, fire, flood, explosion,
war, terrorism, strike, embargo, acts of the government, military authority, or the elements"
that makes sense right? God wanted your phone to die because he secretly is out to get you, just like those little green men you hide under the bed from haha. Either way I'd say they just try to charge you wherever they can, and if you stay calm and logically explain your position and belief and know yourself to be in the right, and stand your ground, you can often get away without paying the deductible.
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To the jerks who say I'm lying or exaggerating: it was from the corporate Sprint store on Tyler in Riverside & the "physical damage" was the charging port. I asked them if they could show me the damage & they claimed it was on the inside. $250 that I paid was over the course of 8 months so I didn't feel it as much as having to pay $350 then wait 8 weeks for $100 rebate. I know this is the internet & I expected internet tough guys but this is ridiculous.
Thanks to the polite people who are trying to give me good advice. I'm relatively new to smart phones and the policies regarding phone insurance.
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To the jerks who say I'm lying or exaggerating: it was from the corporate Sprint store on Tyler in Riverside & the "physical damage" was the charging port. I asked them if they could show me the damage & they claimed it was on the inside. $250 that I paid was over the course of 8 months so I didn't feel it as much as having to pay $350 then wait 8 weeks for $100 rebate. I know this is the internet & I expected internet tough guys but this is ridiculous.
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One question then. How did they charge you $50 for the phone issues? I mean entropism brought to attention that the moment is a tier 2 $100 deductible phone. Any repairs would have to charge you $100 not $50. If this is all really true and is what happened as a sprint corporate store then please elaborate on how this happened.
I'm not sure why they only charged me $50. They gave me the option to get a replacement under the warranty for $100 after the third time I brought it in. I was underemployed so I could barely spare the $50.
They actually said "the damage was on the inside" so they wouldn't show it to you? I'm sorry, you're getting completely ripped off. Not to mention, they can't "fix" a charging port. They either replace the device for $119 in store, they cover it as a discretionary repair for free, or they send you to the insurance company for a $100 replacement to be shipped out to you under the physical damage policy of your TEP. Also, keep in mind that it CAN'T be the insurance company in this case, because you can only make 3 claims in a year, not the 5 you're saying happened.
Sorry, something doesn't add up here.
Edit: one more thing that doesn't make sense: There's not even a $50 repair code in the computer. Even if they WANTED to charge you $50, they couldn't. So what the heck is going on?
OP, PM me your phone number, I'd like to get to the bottom of this, with your permission.
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They actually said "the damage was on the inside" so they wouldn't show it to you? I'm sorry, you're getting completely ripped off. Not to mention, they can't "fix" a charging port. They either replace the device for $119 in store, they cover it as a discretionary repair for free, or they send you to the insurance company for a $100 replacement to be shipped out to you under the physical damage policy of your TEP. Also, keep in mind that it CAN'T be the insurance company in this case, because you can only make 3 claims in a year, not the 5 you're saying happened.
Sorry, something doesn't add up here.
Edit: one more thing that doesn't make sense: There's not even a $50 repair code in the computer. Even if they WANTED to charge you $50, they couldn't. So what the heck is going on?
OP, PM me your phone number, I'd like to get to the bottom of this, with your permission.
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ok will do, thanks
Thought I would share my experiences with you guys to hopefully settle some stomachs.
I got my first incredible the day they were released. About a month after i got it, it started randomly rebooting and shutting off. It would run great for days, then have a fit of reboots. I used it like that for quite a while until root was released. I rooted it, then shortly after installed some of the leaked roms. I hoped that updating everything would help with the reboots.. nope.
Anyway, long story short. I called VZW and they sent me a replacement device. I sent back the first phone with S-off, rooted, radio updated, and running a cryogen mod.
As soon as I got the replacement phone, I re-flashed it with all the goodies. Last week I ended up bricking it because my kid ran by and pulled it off the USB cable during a flash of sky raider. It would boot into Hboot, but i nothing i did made it work right again. Anyway, I called that day and said "my phone doesnt turn on anymore" they sent me another replacement. I sent that phone back with s-off and radio 2.15 and not booting past the silver HTC screen.
I was wondering wtf, i thought for sure i would get a call or a letter or SOMETHING. i have a buddy that works at the VZW warehouse so I asked him. He said all they do is open the box, verify that the numbers on the phone match the numbers on the return order and move on. They get 1,000s of phones a day from warranty exchange. Nobody "checks them". Hes just a lowly worker but I think hes right.
I have had VZW for just over 10 years now, and have utilized their "exchange 3 times per year" service on almost every phone I have had. I have sent in phones that I broke the screens on, by saying "my phone doesn't work anymore". I have sent in phones i dropped in the water by saying "my phone doesn't work anymore".
The people in the warehouse who check the phones numbers have NO IDEA why you sent it in, or what the tech told you, or why they told you to take it back.
bottom line.. don't stress about it. and take advantage of VZW's service of letting you exchange your phone 3 times per year.
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Just wanted to add... They give you 10 days to send the phone back, that first incredible i sent back, i kept for over a month. They even posted an equipment charge to my account for not sending it back, but that took them a month. I just called 611 and said "oh gee wow.. i forgot to send that back" lady told me no problem and sent me out a new box and i mailed it back. 3 days later they credited my account the $500+ equipment charge. That was the phone with s-off, radio update, and running cryogen. Hardly stock lol. and honestly.. it was a intermittent reboot problem. what would they do anyway? turn it on and use it for a week to see when it shutdown? lol
That 3x a year deal, is that with one of their insurance plans? I elected to for-go that when I bought my Incredible so I don't know what the deal will be if any one of my phones boink... just glad I don't have a kid to fudge things up anyway... although I do have a girlfriend that likes to seemingly randomly unplug my electronics because "our power bill is sooo high!". Yes, I know honey, it's called summer + A/C usage x.x
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That 3x a year deal, is that with one of their insurance plans? I elected to for-go that when I bought my Incredible so I don't know what the deal will be if any one of my phones boink... just glad I don't have a kid to fudge things up anyway... although I do have a girlfriend that likes to seemingly randomly unplug my electronics because "our power bill is sooo high!". Yes, I know honey, it's called summer + A/C usage x.x
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no, that is just the manufacture warranty. they will exchange it 3 times during the 1 year manufacturer warranty. on the 4th time, they will either send you a brand new phone in the box, or upgrade you to another phone. your choice
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no, that is just the manufacture warranty. they will exchange it 3 times during the 1 year manufacturer warranty. on the 4th time, they will either send you a brand new phone in the box, or upgrade you to another phone. your choice
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It's how I got my Incredible. Upgraded for free from D Eris. I got a big scratch on my screen somehow. Need a refurb soon. Haha.
I'm not sure if the masses should know any of this.
This is exactly how I got the Incredible from the Moto Droid. 3 times returned (the 3rd time not even for an unfixable problem *oopsie* ) and then they said they would send me an Incredible. I love VZW tech support
Hmmm, that Droid incredible hd sounds pretty cool lol when's it coming out again? Jk jk lol
Edit: this is good to know if something really does go bad with my phone. But I would never take advantage of it.
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MODS- please delete this thread to prevent little kids from being stupid and causing VZW to crack down on this. Thanks!
anothen said:
MODS- please delete this thread to prevent little kids from being stupid and causing VZW to crack down on this. Thanks!
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agree...
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Yeah, I'm sure this all-important xda thread would be the first inkling VZW has ever had that some people game their replacement policy (sshhh!)
better shut it down RIGHT AWAY before the sky falls on us.
I guess there always has to be someone to make a wise guy remark. You are correct about 'not being the first'. However, XDA may be the first that hundreds of thousands of people look at.
If it's so easy to return a phone 3x a year why bother with insurance? I'm paying $8 a month to Asurion.
Why would this thread need to be deleted. If Verizon does crack down good. People with legit problems with then hopefully be helped even better.
marcmarshall said:
If it's so easy to return a phone 3x a year why bother with insurance? I'm paying $8 a month to Asurion.
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1 in 4 people with 2 year contracts could make a full replacement purchase price claim and they'd still have a nice profit, assuming they had to pay full price MSRP for replacements. Wonder how much they'd make by using refurbs as replacements, rejecting claims, etc.
I may be in the wrong business.
Also, delete the thread. That is the best way to restrict information flow.
marcmarshall said:
If it's so easy to return a phone 3x a year why bother with insurance? I'm paying $8 a month to Asurion.
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Because warranty doesn't cover getting it wet, replacement of lost/stolen, cracked screen, break due to drop or abuse, etc.
Hey, my comment from yesterday got deleted! No fair, it doesn't count for my replies posted either...
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Agreed Its not about VZW finding out its about people abusing it.
actually its not 3x a year its 3x in a period of thirty or sixty days.
that's how i got my dare from a Venus. The Venus always had something wrong and the tech himself told me well if they replace 3 in a month then you can get another phone.
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I guess there always has to be someone to make a wise guy remark. You are correct about 'not being the first'. However, XDA may be the first that hundreds of thousands of people look at.
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Just like there always has to be a Chicken Little or three, I guess. Would you rather I put a broomstick up my ass and found some piously earnest way to express my sincere contempt for those who run around asking for this thread deleted, that information suppressed, mods help us! etc, just to save us from ourselves? OK, then:
Attempting to mold community behavior by restricting the flow of information is a really dumb idea, especially on a hacker forum. And preserving a loophole that lets a knowledgeable few commit warranty fraud by concealing the means & opportunity from the other "hundreds of thousands of people" who read XDA is elitist, self-serving, and morally reprehensible all at once.
Fortunately for the scruple-challenged, my sense is that VZW is well aware of the potential, but just doesn't care--or at least is unwilling to invest in the kind of training and verification overhead that would allow them to examine each claim for legitimacy. So by all means: keep returning those bricked phones for an upgrade, but do stop hiding the Machiavellian ingenuity of your methods under a bushel--let it shine forth unto the ends of the earth! Free replacement phones for all!
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If it's so easy to return a phone 3x a year why bother with insurance? I'm paying $8 a month to Asurion.
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Well, I suppose it's terribly old-fashioned to suggest that your conscience might trouble you if you went that route... But ethics aside, if you lost the phone outright, or smashed it to tiny bits, you could still need that insurance. The VZW workers might be inattentive and uncaring, but I'm guessing even they might notice an empty box, or a phone that arrives in a sandwich bag with no one fragment larger than 30 mesh!
ok, I know we already have a topic about sprints tep changes, but as I read through it I was so tired of reading all these assumptions and people stating incorrect things, so to clear it up. Also remember this may not be regional, I don't know how sprint is rolling it out, at least in the south east (im in NC) its all rolled out as of oct 23rd.
First off im a service and repair technician at a corporate store. We rolled this out on the 23rd (at least in the southeast, idk of other areas around the US)
pricing is still the same, 7$ a month. But now it covers almost everything except liquid damage, board damage, lost and stolen.
So if someone comes in with a completely shattered evo screen (as I saw 3 today), if they have TEP we replace it with a brand new screen, if we don't have one we exchange in store, if we don't have one, we order a replacement. Basically we now cover physical damage in store. The only time we don't is if its board damage, say the phone got ran over, obviously the board is destroyed. But as far as cracked screens, broken hinges etc... its all covered.
ALSO now for people that do not have TEP, before if they had physical damage we would charge them 120$ in store for repair, now its only 35$ to repair say a broken screen (good news!), except thats for every visit, sprint is now not authorizing the 1 year manufacturers warranty in store, so say your blackberry trackball pops out and you don't have TEP you can either pay sprint 35$ or go to blackberry. But the nice thing is its 35$ for ALL repairs, except the liquid, board damage etc..
I just felt the need to post this because I was tired of reading incorrect posts. Hopefully this makes sense, because I typed this in minor frustration lol. But I think this is great (for the customer, I see alot of phones now lol) But its REALLLLY putting value in sprints TEP now
So if any questions please ask away.
Thanks for clearing that up. I am switching to Sprint next week so this news has been welcomed.
good post ! tyvm
no problem. I hope this makes sense, I just went on a quick typing rant and haven't really read over it. But I think this REALLY adds value to TEP and makes it worth it. And to the people who said sprints technicians don't know anything they are worthless. Honestly.. Just because your local store may be bad, or not up to par doesn't mean they all are. At my store we try to be as fair as possible, but when someone comes in every 2 weeks for the same problem for the past 5 months, yeah we may refuse to repair, or notate the account for repeat offenders. But at the store and District I work in, we all do the best (also were the number 1 store for customer service in the District so that may help)
If you don't have insruance, does the phone need to be on your phone line? Lets say i have a phone in my cabinet with a broken screen, could i go and get it fixed for 35$?
For $35 I might just take the case off my EVO and let her run around naked!
Thanks for clearing that up! I live in the South east as well. +1
yes we can repair the phone but it has to be on the account, and active for atleast 30 days.
So I know this is off topic but how do technicians treat Evos with hosed 4g keys cause I want to root and pay $7 for insurance but fear hosing my 4g which I use.
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Great information, thanks. One question though: what if you do have liquid damage and you pay for TEP? What is the repair cost then? What about lost phones? Also, like already mentioned, what about rooted phones? This is insurance after all and not warranty.
I ask because I have Best Buy Black Tie Protection now' but with these changes to TEP I'm thinking about canceling the Best Buy plan and switching to TEP. Thanks for your info.
what about everyday wear and tear i have scratches from dropping my phone a lot on the bottom of the phone can that be fixed for free?
Is their insurance still through Asurion? I went ten years with never losing or damaging a phone and the one time I lost my HTC touch I was charged $100 for a piece of crap that had a busted speaker and a glitchy looking screen. And to top it off the girl at sprint who looked at my phone said the busted speaker wasn't too bad and that the speaker phone still worked fine...
I am not impressed with Sprint's insurance at all.
ok, well if liquid you go through asurion, 100$. Same for lost or stolen. As far as the 4g queston, not sure what you mean by hosed 4g?
and for the question about cosmetic damage, thats the one thing im not 100% sure about, I will have to get more info on that.
And yeah still through asurion. But now the only time you go through them is if;
liquid damage, lost, stolen, board damage.
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ok, well if liquid you go through asurion, 100$. Same for lost or stolen. As far as the 4g queston, not sure what you mean by hosed 4g?
and for the question about cosmetic damage, thats the one thing im not 100% sure about, I will have to get more info on that.
And yeah still through asurion. But now the only time you go through them is if;
liquid damage, lost, stolen, board damage.
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Hosed 4G means the RSA keys are damaged and it won't authenticate. Each phone has it's own key, so it's not something that could likely be fixed in store.
Would a phone get replaced under that circumstance?
hmm maybe since im not familiar with the term, But we have seen phones with 4g not connecting or not able to establish a connection and sometimes we have to exchange it (which thats covered), but lately we've been pretty good at restoring data to the devices but a pain in the ass, so exchanging is usually easier
i had a small crack on the top right of my phone (next to front camera) for a month now (a drunk drop getting out of the car)
it wasnt a big deal.
well yesterday i was holding my daughter and was taking my evo out of my pocket......it fell on the tile face down.
i picked it up and my screen was shattered but the phone still works.
anyway i went to sprint today and got a new screen put on my phone for free within 40 minutes. i also have the $7/mo insurance plan
best part is i have a CM6 root/rom on my phone and they didnt say a thing.
i have an 003 version and since the new screen was put on, no more light leakage either
I still don't understand why a customer needs to be charged $35 for warranty work though.
Shattered screen? yes
Defect in phone? no...should be a free repair if it's under the 1 year warranty
Well I know now after reading this Im happy I told Bestbuy to shove their insurance and switched back to Sprints !
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I still don't understand why a customer needs to be charged $35 for warranty work though.
Shattered screen? yes
Defect in phone? no...should be a free repair if it's under the 1 year warranty
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Your not. Call the manufacturers, use their warranty and take a month off without a phone.
exactly dirtyshroomz. Because yous till have the 1 year through company. But we will do things like software defects, and basic s/w based things at no charge
So I don't treat my phones roughly, so I don't put cases on them, that and the X feels great in my hand....not anymore. Its screen is completely shattered after one drop, luckily I could use Touchless controls to call ATT to get insurance...there goes 200 more dollars after I paid 270 for it 2 weeks ago. And since it's my second claim on insurance I lose the right to pay for insurance (I know right? The first claim was because the USB port on my inspire died but whatever) for a year.
Time to buy a case. Be careful guys. let this be a word of warning.
(Here's hoping they at least let me Motomake again but I doubt it.)
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So I don't treat my phones roughly, so I don't put cases on them, that and the X feels great in my hand....not anymore. Its screen is completely shattered after one drop, luckily I could use Touchless controls to call ATT to get insurance...there goes 200 more dollars after I paid 270 for it 2 weeks ago. And since it's my second claim on insurance I lose the right to pay for insurance (I know right? The first claim was because the USB port on my inspire died but whatever) for a year.
Time to buy a case. Be careful guys. let this be a word of warning.
(Here's hoping they at least let me Motomake again but I doubt it.)
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pictures?
Ouch I was lucky and saw the good folks spreading the Verizon discount code so I only dropped 140 on this, my favorite phone evar. I also don't use cases. Sorry to hear about your screen! Let us know what happens
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Sorry to hear about your x!. Check out squaretrade.com next time for insurance. Their pricing is cheaper per month and best of all, NO refurbs! If they can't fix your phone in 5 days, they cut you a check for a new one. They're all I've been using since I got my ps3 a few years ago and was worried about it breaking
How did you drop it? Ive been looking for drop test videos for our phone but no luck
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How did you drop it? Ive been looking for drop test videos for our phone but no luck
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Bug landed as I was walking with my phone out, thought it was a yellow jacket, jumped, phone didn't jump with me.
I tried calling Motorola as well and it was the same price and a longer turnaround, I'll take the not paying for insurance for a year to get a phone asap, although it might just be a black or white one, I was able to get a case and protector for the X out of ATT but that's about it.
Picture attached.
And insurance says "You give us your 200 dollars and you LIKE YOUR BLACK PHONE"
Screw ATT. I sent a tweet to Moto/Motosupport with the picture too, of course there's no reply.
Keep pushing at MotorolaSupport, also try emailing them at supportforums [at] motorola [dot] com ... the guy who controls that twitter monitors that email.
Holy sweet handgrenades. I've now spent 8+ hours on the phone dealing with ATT/Motorola/Mobile Insurance, everyone wants 200 dollars to fix a phone that broke after one fall 13 days into ownership. Motorola has pushed me to sign paperwork to file an insurance claim then told me "Oh no you didn't have to do that" when it's their defective device. ATT is now on my side, but if Moto doesn't figure out their lives before the insurance claims clears....that'll be /fun/
I've been escalated to either level 2 or level 3 Motomaker support to see what they can do, although they've already heard my patented "voice of satan" telling them they're full of it.
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Holy sweet handgrenades. I've now spent 8+ hours on the phone dealing with ATT/Motorola/Mobile Insurance, everyone wants 200 dollars to fix a phone that broke after one fall 13 days into ownership. Motorola has pushed me to sign paperwork to file an insurance claim then told me "Oh no you didn't have to do that" when it's their defective device. ATT is now on my side, but if Moto doesn't figure out their lives before the insurance claims clears....that'll be /fun/
I've been escalated to either level 2 or level 3 Motomaker support to see what they can do, although they've already heard my patented "voice of satan" telling them they're full of it.
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i'm struggling to understand how "its their defective device" when you dropped it.
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i'm struggling to understand how "its their defective device" when you dropped it.
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I agree how is it it defective if it broke when it was dropped by the user.....?
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Dropped my phone off the top bunk of a bunk bed. Fell flat on the screen; not a scratch on it. I know use an otter box case, just in case
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It's that sense of entitlement people have these days. Blame someone else for their own error. You dropped it dude, The defect is not in the phone.
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I fail to see how dropping a phone is anyone else's fault.
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I fail to see how dropping a phone is anyone else's fault.
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I agree, Unfortunately if the screen is cracked from a fall/drop, it doesn't matter if it happens 13 days after or the minute you walk out of the store.
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i'm struggling to understand how "its their defective device" when you dropped it.
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I fail to see how dropping a phone is anyone else's fault.
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(This preword was written after the following post was completed, if any one feels I'm attacking them I apologize and I try to explain why I feel dropping it shouldn't have caused the extensive amount of damage. I've been told 4 different things by 5 different people within ATT/Motorola and the one thing I despise most is terrible service, this has gone from being a phone issue to being a support issue in my eyes.)
Because anything you pay for should not be this weak. It fell three feet. If it had just a surface crack, I'd be fine and suck it up and deal. This phone is destroyed. The screen is cracked just like the old iPhones, the phone casing is rattled enough that the volume buttons have slid into the casing of the phone a bit.
Should I have had a case on it? You know what I'll give you that point, it may have cushioned the blow and prevented the issue, but do you really believe something you pay money for should require extra protection to survive a fall taken during normal usage? That kind of thinking gives manufacturers the ability to put out inferior devices build wise, which to most of us here sounds like something that should come with the territory, but it shouldn't.
Nobody should pay 200+ dollars for a device, use it like any normal person, and have it break like this 13 days into owning it, if I was an extreme sports person (I'm 6'4 and uncoordinated so no) or if this was about a year and a half (even 6 months) into owning the device but this isn't the result of mishandling. It screams horrible build quality
In 10+ years of owning mobile devices, the only thing I've done to my phones is bend one USB plug out of shape. Besides keeping the device on a memory foam pillow, I've treated my Moto X extremely well.
I will accept that I dropped it. I will accept there was no case on the device. I will not accept that one mixture of those two facts will completely wreck a phone. Should Motorola/ATT have questions? I think a few are acceptable, but they should also stand by their customers who trust them not only with what is becoming a bigger part of their lives, their mobile service, but with their hard earned cash.
Maybe I'm idealistic and believe too much in the rights of the consumer but "You shouldn't have dropped it" just doesn't cut in my book when the damage is this extensive.
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Because anything you pay for should not be this weak. It fell three feet. If it had just a surface crack, I'd be fine and suck it up and deal. This phone is destroyed. The screen is cracked just like the old iPhones, the phone casing is rattled enough that the volume buttons have slid into the casing of the phone a bit.
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People will say that sort of thing till something similar happens to them. Good luck man; hope you can figure something out. And next time, case, case, case!
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Holy sweet handgrenades. I've now spent 8+ hours on the phone dealing with ATT/Motorola/Mobile Insurance, everyone wants 200 dollars to fix a phone that broke after one fall 13 days into ownership. Motorola has pushed me to sign paperwork to file an insurance claim then told me "Oh no you didn't have to do that" when it's their defective device. ATT is now on my side, but if Moto doesn't figure out their lives before the insurance claims clears....that'll be /fun/
I've been escalated to either level 2 or level 3 Motomaker support to see what they can do, although they've already heard my patented "voice of satan" telling them they're full of it.
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Don't drop your phone. The fact that it cracked up is not a reflection of the Moto X quality. It's the fact that "chance favors the prepared mind" as somone once said. Every time I switch to a new phone, there's always a thread like this one. Somone drops it and it blows up. That's all on you unfortunately. It sucks, we're all here for you, but there's no other alternative and that's why they sell insurance in the first place.
I got lucky many times with my Razr. My wife was lucky many times with her Iphone 4, until one day it dropped "JUST RIGHT" and el-cracko. But, completely her fault for dropping the phone.
If you rear end someone with your new car, you can't just claim it should have gotten damaged for such a light "tap".
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(This preword was written after the following post was completed, if any one feels I'm attacking them I apologize and I try to explain why I feel dropping it shouldn't have caused the extensive amount of damage. I've been told 4 different things by 5 different people within ATT/Motorola and the one thing I despise most is terrible service, this has gone from being a phone issue to being a support issue in my eyes.)
Because anything you pay for should not be this weak. It fell three feet. If it had just a surface crack, I'd be fine and suck it up and deal. This phone is destroyed. The screen is cracked just like the old iPhones, the phone casing is rattled enough that the volume buttons have slid into the casing of the phone a bit.
Should I have had a case on it? You know what I'll give you that point, it may have cushioned the blow and prevented the issue, but do you really believe something you pay money for should require extra protection to survive a fall taken during normal usage? That kind of thinking gives manufacturers the ability to put out inferior devices build wise, which to most of us here sounds like something that should come with the territory, but it shouldn't.
Nobody should pay 200+ dollars for a device, use it like any normal person, and have it break like this 13 days into owning it, if I was an extreme sports person (I'm 6'4 and uncoordinated so no) or if this was about a year and a half (even 6 months) into owning the device but this isn't the result of mishandling. It screams horrible build quality
In 10+ years of owning mobile devices, the only thing I've done to my phones is bend one USB plug out of shape. Besides keeping the device on a memory foam pillow, I've treated my Moto X extremely well.
I will accept that I dropped it. I will accept there was no case on the device. I will not accept that one mixture of those two facts will completely wreck a phone. Should Motorola/ATT have questions? I think a few are acceptable, but they should also stand by their customers who trust them not only with what is becoming a bigger part of their lives, their mobile service, but with their hard earned cash.
Maybe I'm idealistic and believe too much in the rights of the consumer but "You shouldn't have dropped it" just doesn't cut in my book when the damage is this extensive.
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It's glass. You cannot predict how it will break. I have seen devices fall off of a roof onto concrete and come away fine. I have also seen a phone fall from 2-3 feet onto carpet and the screen shattered from top to bottom. It has everything to do with how and what part of the device the impact occurs and nothing to do with build quality. Glass is glass and it breaks, period. I really feel bad for you and don't want to come across as an ass but when you are dealing with screens made of glass you can't blame build quality on a drop.