Otherwise i might give it a try. Well, lol I could if I had a windows XP ISO Just wondered how it would perform. Is it worth trying or not worth the hassle? Would be cool if bochs/ qemu supported quad core emulation
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Otherwise i might give it a try. Well, lol I could if I had a windows XP ISO Just wondered how it would perform. Is it worth trying or not worth the hassle? Would be cool if bochs/ qemu supported quad core emulation
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Too much hassle, it'll sh1t a brick with the ARM chip and it will only look at 1 core. It'll work but very sloooooooooow.
You'd have more fun trying to run Ubuntu.
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Too much hassle, it'll sh1t a brick with the ARM chip and it will only look at 1 core. It'll work but very sloooooooooow.
You'd have more fun trying to run Ubuntu.
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Agreed. Too much hassle for no reward.
And even (Ubuntu) is a slow mess on the Nexus 7. I don't honestly know why anyone wants to do this.. My main PC is a Unbuntu machine.. I run 12.10 w/ dual monitors, 8GB RAM and an ATI 6990. Love it.. Ubuntu is great.. For a PC... The problem with Ubuntu and any linux distro in general and why it sucks on a portable device is it is still entirely way too dependent on terminal commands to clean up its crappy package system. Installing packages is a simple click. One click, app installed along with 8,000 dependencies! Removing them is a click followed by dropping to terminal to purge and auto remove all the useless dependencies that were left behind. I love Ubuntu to death but for the love of god someone needs to get the balls to break away from the tired debian package system.
Apt is fine however more needs automating. You should get an option to purge and autoremove/autoclean from the GUI in an ideal world.
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Agreed. Too much hassle for no reward.
And even (Ubuntu) is a slow mess on the Nexus 7. I don't honestly know why anyone wants to do this.. My main PC is a Unbuntu machine.. I run 12.10 w/ dual monitors, 8GB RAM and an ATI 6990. Love it.. Ubuntu is great.. For a PC... The problem with Ubuntu and any linux distro in general and why it sucks on a portable device is it is still entirely way too dependent on terminal commands to clean up its crappy package system. Installing packages is a simple click. One click, app installed along with 8,000 dependencies! Removing them is a click followed by dropping to terminal to purge and auto remove all the useless dependencies that were left behind. I love Ubuntu to death but for the love of god someone needs to get the balls to break away from the tired debian package system.
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Say whaaat? Ubuntu is not a slow mess at all - you just need to get rid of Unity, and it's AMAZING. Chromium is actually faster than on Android!
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Apt is fine however more needs automating. You should get an option to purge and autoremove/autoclean from the GUI in an ideal world.
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first, you could just leave the dependencies there, doesn't really hurt anyone. second, try synaptic, which is a great gui for apt with purge and autoremove options.
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first, you could just leave the dependencies there, doesn't really hurt anyone. second, try synaptic, which is a great gui for apt with purge and autoremove options.
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True.. But some of us are OCD about trash lying around. :laugh:
I actually dropped Ubuntu since my post and went back to Mint.. 12.10 just entirely too buggy..
ok thanks guys. You're right, I think it would be a waste of time on just one 1.3Ghz core. Besides, desktop emulation never really would be an ideal environment on any device as it's too greedy on system resources. I have been interested about flashing real linux on this thing, but even that isn't really worth doing unless one just wants a bit of fun til the novelty wears off. The tiny fonts wouldn't be kind to the eyes and navigation would be painfully awkward. Ok, it's jelly bean all the way for me til the next update
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ok thanks guys. You're right, I think it would be a waste of time on just one 1.3Ghz core. Besides, desktop emulation never really would be an ideal environment on any device as it's too greedy on system resources. I have been interested about flashing real linux on this thing, but even that isn't really worth doing unless one just wants a bit of fun til the novelty wears off. The tiny fonts wouldn't be kind to the eyes and navigation would be painfully awkward. Ok, it's jelly bean all the way for me til the next update
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Debian itself would be ideal for the N7.. God how sweet would that be? Boot up the small debian ISO and build your own work environment on the N7 from a bare bones minimum base install.
THAT would be fun..
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Found this as a reponse to Haykuro Blog:
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There shall be a built-in app for the android platform that will be able to run beryl engines. I have all the source codes which ill be porting very soon for the g1, it will be over a jf Build due to the responsivness of the build.
Sin, mddictator.
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Found this as a reponse to Haykuro Blog:
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awesome! bring on the expo, 3d cube, and the magic lamp/fire effect!
Imagin being able to see all running apps in an expo or 3d cube, how bad ass would that be?
But, from my experience with Beryl (Compiz Fuzion), it gets kind of laggy even on my 9800gtx, but that may have been a driver issue with ubuntu.
Heres a preview of some of the beryl effects for those who have never used it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ARotY86A0&feature=related
Nice! I can't wait for it!
Is this even possible? I'm running compiz on my main laptop and it would be hot to have beryl on the G1 but aren't there too many hardware limitations? Or is there a different Beryl that you're talking about?
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But, from my experience with Beryl (Compiz Fuzion), it gets kind of laggy even on my 9800gtx, but that may have been a driver issue with ubuntu.
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I've been using compiz on an old p4 512ram sony vaio with no real noticeable lag, so maybe.
My biggest issue with compiz right now is that I get horizontal line breaks when I watch anything on full screen :\
I've been waiting for a compiz port for android, I can't wait. I've grown far too accustomed to having things catch on fire when I close them lol. It'll be interesting to see what they do about the keybindings though.
I use dxTop so I hope I don't have to disable it to avoid key binding conflicts but I see that happening at least in the beginning.
Awesome. With Roger FW and these effects, my phone is awesome device.
android runs a frame buffer, actual compiz could never run here. The guy is either a moron or using the term beryl to describe animations in a way people might understand. Leaning towards a moron who is just replying to a blog post since he mentions "porting".
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android runs a frame buffer, actual compiz could never run here. The guy is either a moron or using the term beryl to describe animations in a way people might understand. Leaning towards a moron who is just replying to a blog post since he mentions "porting".
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holy ****... you sure you wanna call him a moron dude???
those are some harsh statements about a major player in the android fw dev world!
-R.A.
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holy ****... you sure you wanna call him a moron dude???
those are some harsh statements about a major player in the android fw dev world!
-R.A.
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Sorry I have never heard of a 'mddictator' and a google search does not result in much. Maybe you misread the opening post and think Haykuro made those comments? I think it is pretty clear a compositing window manager for X will not ever work on just a frame buffer.
I'm agreeing with imtehk. This kind of speculation, based on reply by an unknown in another forum is ludicrous.
The guy speaks of "beryl engines." Beryl engines, like truglass, oxygen, etc....are for the window decorator part of compiz fusion. Last time I checked, Android doesn't use X-windows with compiz fusion or any other window manager--because it doesn't have any windows! Beryl engines don't have anything to do with desktop effects like cubes, just the windows.
So mddictator is agitating the excrement or really has no idea what he's talking about. I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong, but until someone shows me the app, I'm calling BS.
I would love to see this but I am skeptical; I HOPE to be proven wrong.
For one, like it has been pointed out, Beryl is the decorator part of Compiz Fusion. I don't even have it enabled currently I think and I'm still using Compiz with Metacity style decorations.
Secondly, Compiz Fusion is a Window manager for X. Android doesn't use X nor anything slightly resembling it. The idea of switching between workspaces seems pointless to me from the way Android works it's apps. Actually, Android doesn't even have system wide workspaces (Apart from home) so implementing it would be interesting...
Having the cube effect on the Home screen would be awesome but Compiz can't really help much there to my knowledge. It would be easier to just code that from scratch. Compiz is so MUCH more than decorations and I can't see it being use.
Maybe someone is just releasing something that looks like Compiz, in which case they may have been miss quoted from someone who doesn't know what they are on about?
I think I remember the oPhone has this already anyway, so it seems very possible.
Simply amazing!!! Enjoy XDAers..
http://code.google.com/p/live-android/
if you want to use VirtualBox to run it: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
Can i run hero on my PC? I got 4Gb ram thats waiting to test this.My Cpu is a P9800 i think 2.4GHZ, is that enough? Cant forget about the Nvidia 260GtX with enough power to play crysis maxed out
But you have to give props to Microsoft for their superb OS's(Win7/Vista) and some to dell for their great quality and prices...Well im sold here..
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Can i run hero on my PC? I got 4Gb ram thats waiting to test this.My Cpu is a P9800 i think 2.4GHZ, is that enough? Cant forget about the Nvidia 260GtX with enough power to play crysis maxed out
But you have to give props to Microsoft for their superb OS's(Win7/Vista) and some to dell for their great quality and prices...Well im sold here..
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There is absolutely nothing good about Windows Vista.
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There is absolutely nothing good about Windows Vista.
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+1. Window's Vista sucks, had to get rid of Vista all together and run Ubuntu 9.10. But this is a neat idea running android on your computer. Might have to partition my hard drive and test it out.
I loaded this as a livecd. Hmmm Either it don't work or don't do much. It loads the exact same thing as an emulator basically. My computer looked like a blown up version of my phone. The mouse didnt work. When I tried to move the mouse, the homescreen changed to a different one. The top even had a roaming symbol on it. Guess I don't see the point.
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+1. Window's Vista sucks, had to get rid of Vista all together and run Ubuntu 9.10. But this is a neat idea running android on your computer. Might have to partition my hard drive and test it out.
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When I can install Ubuntu on my home PC with the same or less amount of problems as Vista, then I might consider it.
With that said, I am a big fan of Mint. All of the love from Ubuntu, refined. And yes, Mint runs very well on my home PC.
Here's a link to another project called Android-x86, similar to the live android posted above
http://www.android-x86.org/
To install apps: http://code.google.com/p/live-android/wiki/howtoinstallapps
Using the Wiki is very useful as well in case you are running into any type of issues, mine is working fine good people : http://code.google.com/p/live-android/w/list
I am currently running WET DREAM, and want to run CM9, however there is no Laptop dock option, anyone hear of this changing?
yes, you have to run Ubuntu and you will have powerfull OS.
If you will stay with Webtop you can run WebTopScripts and install xfce and you will have full Ubuntu like on my video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGfZe4jOdfo
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I am currently running WET DREAM, and want to run CM9, however there is no Laptop dock option, anyone hear of this changing?
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the answer is no, it won't.
Chances are, the CyanogenMod ROMs won't have a webtop. But really, you don't need it; CM9 already has landscape HDMI out, which works quite nicely with the Lapdock (there are still a few kinks to work out, but it's very usable). I actually prefer having Android running on the full screen rather than Motorola's hacked up Ubuntu webtop.
That being said, I am still planning to try out the full Ubuntu method that's been floating around for a bit the next time I have a day or two off.
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Chances are, the CyanogenMod ROMs won't have a webtop. But really, you don't need it; CM9 already has landscape HDMI out, which works quite nicely with the Lapdock (there are still a few kinks to work out, but it's very usable). I actually prefer having Android running on the full screen rather than Motorola's hacked up Ubuntu webtop.
That being said, I am still planning to try out the full Ubuntu method that's been floating around for a bit the next time I have a day or two off.
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Even with the "full ubuntu mod", X is running off the standard /osh, so the odds are bad.
Do you know what are the precise reasons why the /osh stuff does not run with these roms?
If it is not lib/kernel issues then it is not that bad. All the moto glue is funky, but can be solved.
If it does require a recompile of the moto executables that is much more of a pain.
BTW, I really like having a real Linux desktop. Not even close to a big 'droid.
Full ubuntu + webtop2sd
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Even with the "full ubuntu mod", X is running off the standard /osh, so the odds are bad.
Do you know what are the precise reasons why the /osh stuff does not run with these roms?
If it is not lib/kernel issues then it is not that bad. All the moto glue is funky, but can be solved.
If it does require a recompile of the moto executables that is much more of a pain.
BTW, I really like having a real Linux desktop. Not even close to a big 'droid.
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Hello
As far I know webtop depends on motoblur so any rom that is deblurred (any Cyanogen variant) cannot work with it
In my case I'm using the following combination and had been working very well:
-Gingermod ROM (wetdream didn't worked with this combination)
-webtop2sd 2.0.1
-full Ubuntu mod
-apt-get scripts depends fix,
I'm using a 32 GB sd card with a partition of 3 gb dedicated to webtop, currently I installed abiword, gnumeric, filezilla and rdesktop and all are working flawlessly!
share what all things you can do with your atrix. let others know how you are using your device. guide them to unleash the beast inside their atrix.
i connect my atrix to usb hub, tv, pendrive, ext hdd, mouse and keyboard......
Atrix - Neutrino Rom 2.6, Faux 1.45GHz Kernel. CM7 2.3.7
I'm kind of strange.........I use my Atrix as a phone!
I use it as a game console. connect it to my HDTV and use a wiimote classic to play snes. I also use it for Netflix and movies. Most recently I've been using it at work to save information quickly.
I use it to do my marketing homework cuz I'm cool like that.
Nice topic...
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It collects dust until cm9 is 100% complete for it.
I only used hdmi mirroring a few times like in hotels to watch Netflix. Now I just use my ipad2. Only played stupid games on it, nothing like gta3. That's what my ps3 is for.
I use mine for games and all the usual stuff but mostly as my mobile office
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I use it for a mobile office, games, mp3 player and Webtop sometimes sms etc
I am now up to 7 months of using nothing but my atrix/lapdock when not in home/office.
This includes some long trips when I needed to be able to connect back to the office and do real work.
When out of touch I can do some dev locally on it (most of my work is just C code, fairly light weight). But in general I can just VPN home and all works fairly well.
Worst case is when I have to RDE into a Windoze VM back on my office system. Slow, but works.
Sometimes I even use it for phone calls
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I'm kind of strange.........I use my Atrix as a phone!
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+ 1 and for web surfing and video watching
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I use my atrix for mostly the communication part of the phone for school and work. Like email, messaging, calls, and Lapdock. The phone calendar is the thing the keeps me on task. I use the atrix almost like a business tool.
.......the you have all those fun apps you have to try......
That's a whole other story.
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anybody tried full ubuntu inside atrix and connect to an HDTV?
I use my atrix for...
Well this is my first "power-phone" I've had. I don't consider my iPhone 3gs a power-phone. So tonight I will attempt to install backtrack Linux on it (Debian variant) for pen-testing remotely. Should be interesting. The hardware can BY FAR support it, and there are multiple ported arm versions available. Wish me luck. If anyone else has done it, regardless of distro please pm me you're experience!
I always use my Atrix to watch Despicable Me all over again!!
I use my Atrix as a pocket notebook (springpad), music player and mobile browser.
I also have offline navigation map installed, but never used it.
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Well this is my first "power-phone" I've had. I don't consider my iPhone 3gs a power-phone. So tonight I will attempt to install backtrack Linux on it (Debian variant) for pen-testing remotely. Should be interesting. The hardware can BY FAR support it, and there are multiple ported arm versions available. Wish me luck. If anyone else has done it, regardless of distro please pm me you're experience!
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I run a debian made from scratch via debootsrap and it works fine and was fairly easy to do.
If you are just running this as command line (no X), it is fairly easy to do. Just follow any standard ubuntu chrooting guide (or look up "ubuntu on android"). From a 'droid terminal chroot over and you are there.
One catch, if you run as a non-root user you must be in grouup 3003 (it's in the 'droid kernel) to use IP sockets. 3004 to use raw sockes, and 3001 if you care about bluetooth (took me an entire day to find that comically stupid issue).
If you need an X interface, there are 2 ways to go. Either use the Moto webtop ubuntu to get X up, then chrrot over to your stuff over. Or run a VNC server in your 'nux and use the android VNC viewer.
As I presume you know what you are doing on the linux side, this will not be difficult.
There are a few threads over in the dev section that go into a lot more detail.
Design icons in inkscape? Build websites? Contact anyone any time? Considering its 960 landscape it also allows you to easily browse almost any webpage. Its a damn awesome phone.
I just wish they'd done webtop right as opposed to than weird virtual thing its doing. Ubuntu screams on a 1ghz processor with 1gb ram. Webtop however sort of whimpers =/
Needs room to grow I guess.
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Thanks for the advice your setup looks like exactly what i need. Command prompt and a root user, the rest is trivial and ill play with it for giggles. Thanks again for the reply.
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Design icons in inkscape? Build websites? Contact anyone any time? Considering its 960 landscape it also allows you to easily browse almost any webpage. Its a damn awesome phone.
I just wish they'd done webtop right as opposed to than weird virtual thing its doing. Ubuntu screams on a 1ghz processor with 1gb ram. Webtop however sort of whimpers =/
Needs room to grow I guess.
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Hrm.. webtop seems to run nice for me. Streaming movies or youtube is lag free. My vnc sessions seem fine. Not sure. I am writing some more advanced html5 web apps to test with webtop to see how well it utilizes the newer functions. But then again it is firefox, i expect it to pass with flying colors.
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Finally got Ubuntu to run on this hench Note!!
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Finally got Ubuntu to run on this hench Note!!
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at the risk of this being a dumb question: how come you still have the android notification bar?
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at the risk of this being a dumb question: how come you still have the android notification bar?
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Most likely running under vnc
yep!! chrooted and vnc'ed into it.
everything seems smooth... except when unmounting
May have to give this a try
I can upload my script if it helps.
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I can upload my script if it helps.
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There are several apps such as https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid which automate the process of setting it up. Might be worth checking out for anyone interested.
nicely done!
Ok... perhaps I'm being dense.. but the original post seems to be claiming he has Ubuntu running *ON* his Note. Which to me means 'I've overwritten Android and am using Ubuntu as the operating system on this tablet'. VNC should have NOTHING to do with it. (Which brings us back to 'why is there an Android menu bar at the bottom?)
If you're running VNC and just remoting to computer using Ubuntu, then it's not running on the tablet, you're just remoting in - which would work with Windows or MacOS just as well.
The other possibility, which also doesn't need VNC is if you got VirtualBox or some other emulator running and were running Ubuntu on that - which would be pretty cool, although not THAT spectacular.
So?
Which is it?
I read about this a while back and can't remember exactly how it worked, but apparently it does run on the phone/tablet along side the Android operating system and you do indeed have to VNC into it.
Also, I heard back when people first started doing this that it wasn't a spectacular experience due to VNC controls on a touch screen being poor.
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I read about this a while back and can't remember exactly how it worked, but apparently it does run on the phone/tablet along side the Android operating system and you do indeed have to VNC into it.
Also, I heard back when people first started doing this that it wasn't a spectacular experience due to VNC controls on a touch screen being poor.
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Weird... I'm not quite sure how that would work - you'd be multitasking the OSes.. which is brutal.
Oh well, time to do a little digging.
We need a native port of Ubuntu because this will transform our tablet into a more productive product then tablets with Win8 .
An alternative would be "Ubuntu for Android", but again, is not available.
The VNC thing is lacking pressure sensitive controls, the protocol does not support this.
how to install？
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Ok... perhaps I'm being dense.. but the original post seems to be claiming he has Ubuntu running *ON* his Note. Which to me means 'I've overwritten Android and am using Ubuntu as the operating system on this tablet'. VNC should have NOTHING to do with it. (Which brings us back to 'why is there an Android menu bar at the bottom?)
If you're running VNC and just remoting to computer using Ubuntu, then it's not running on the tablet, you're just remoting in - which would work with Windows or MacOS just as well.
The other possibility, which also doesn't need VNC is if you got VirtualBox or some other emulator running and were running Ubuntu on that - which would be pretty cool, although not THAT spectacular.
So?
Which is it?
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the note runs a ARM image of ubuntu, using chroot and VNC into it (localhost or127.0.0.1).
it would be pretty pointless to show it running off a pc.
So based on my understanding, you installed ubuntu on your galaxy note 10.1 (which runs in parallel with the android OS) and the only way to access it is through VNC at the local port? Is my understanding correct?
If yes, does this run GIMP like other ARM linux devices?, cause this might make me want to buy a note 10.1 more (Still on the fence since I can only buy it on December). Could you also post the resource links/scripts so that other members with their notes can try? I'd also like to ask how is the performance over VNC? Does it lag a bit?
You can install GIMP and other apps that are not architecture dependent. However it is not for everyday use as it is rather slow. I haven't tried image editing yet. Vnc doesn't support pen pressure and all that.
I will upload the script once I clean it up a bit and plug a few holes
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Easiest way is this app, it has links to prebuilt ARM images and all that good stuff.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid
Anyway, for people who are confused, all chroot does is essentially let you start up Ubuntu userspace stuff on top of the Android kernel, since it's just a Linux kernel anyway. The main benefit is to be able to run any ARM linux software, although graphical stuff is fairly useless because currently there isn't any complete port of X11 to Android so you have to use VNC to run graphical stuff which becomes generally pretty slow no matter the device. You can also SSH into the Ubuntu install which I find more useful for eg. running a web server development environment, or just to have git/ssh/other proper Linux utilities rather than having to use busybox stuff. Personally I think the most useful thing is if you're a vim/emacs user and have a bluetooth keyboard, you can get a lot of work done that way. My emacs-fu is weak so I haven't really used it that much to be honest.
So the performance with gui sucks as of now. Oh well I'll just wait for the official ubuntu OS to be available:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_for_Android
Based on initial data, these are the system requirements:
According to Canonical a phone needs the following requirements:[6]
Dual-core 1 GHz CPU
Video acceleration: shared kernel driver with associated X driver; OpenGL, ES/EGL
Storage: 2 GB for OS disk image
HDMI: video-out with secondary framebuffer device
USB host mode
512 MB RAM
Hope someone ports the official builds on the ubuntu phones and makes compatible drivers for the wacom and touchscreen.