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WebOS on the Touch?

Does anyone know if this is possible? I currently have both phones and am not satisfied with build quality of the Pre. Love the quality of my HTC Touch and think this phone would be cool as hell rocking WebOS.

We've got android. Why can't we have Web os?

If the binaries are compatable
If the binaries are compatible then it would be easy to port it. But chances are most of webOS is compiled and tweaked to be hardware specific and the best parts of webOS are closed source. I have the root file system image for the pre so maybe later i'll pull some binaries out of /bin and see if they will run in
Android.

sounds promising.....

Any updates on this yet?

Yeah, the reason I ask is that I recently got a pre, but I miss the Touch hardware. I feel like I will break this phone with very little wear and tear. The Pre sucks as a phone, but the WebOS rocks. Since it is Linux based, you would think it could be done. Any help would be awesome.

low level binaries run
I managed to run some of the binaries from webos in the terminal on android.

nice, what does that mean in regular terms?

Time
I guess is someone had enough time to build a minimal linux system for the vogue and boot into or chroot into webos root file system they could run some stuff but most likely not the gui. I'll try some more stuff later on.

Any updates.......
This phone would be cool as **** with WEB OS.
Some1 has to do this.

Too Buggy
derek5L said:
Does anyone know if this is possible? I currently have both phones and am not satisfied with build quality of the Pre. Love the quality of my HTC Touch and think this phone would be cool as hell rocking WebOS.
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I wish but the touch doesn't have near the capabilities of the pre (I mean internal hardware wise) and we're still having a crap load of problems porting android to the vogue and that's open source!!! WebOS isn't (90% sure on this) so it'll be much harder

clules94 said:
I wish but the touch doesn't have near the capabilities of the pre (I mean internal hardware wise) and we're still having a crap load of problems porting android to the vogue and that's open source!!! WebOS isn't (90% sure on this) so it'll be much harder
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Right. WebOS is like OSX. It runs on top of an open-source base system (Linux for WebOS, BSD for OSX) but the user interface is closed-source, which would make porting it very very difficult, especially since the Palm Pre uses a very different processor than the Vogue, from what I understand.

I think the interface for the Hero is better anyway

[Q] Droid X and Chainfire 3D

Quick Question: I saw some similar questions posted but something about the Droid X not keeping root to run Chainfire 3D. Did not answer my question, N/A.
My phone is a Droid X, Gingerbread, Android 2.3.3, fully rooted with Linux One Click. I am trying to play Dead Space for Android and it just does not work. Black screen, checking for updates, faint EA logo, then back to desktop.
I asked if anybody had Dead Space running on a Droid X in another forum and one fellow said, yes, it works fine if you install the free, market Chainfire 3D driver and use the Qualcomm plugin. I did all this and the phone behaves exactly the same. He also recommended using 16 bit color and reduced texture size. No difference. I find this rather odd, I can see no difference in the phone or any game with or without the Chainfire 3D driver. I do not know how the driver loads, I looked into Terminal and used lsmod to read what modules the kernel is loading and I see nothing relevant to graphics loading. Very few modules were loaded. I used the CF Bench tool to test if the driver is really running but I cannot tell, I got a low score, 2415, above the HTC Hero, Samsung Galaxy topping the comparison chart with 6442. This is not telling me what I want to know.
Does Chainfire 3D work on a rooted Droid X 2.3.3? How can you tell? Is Dead Space ever going to run on this phone or am I chasing mermaids?
Thanks.

I got it to run "Sprinkle" (before a single core version was released) with the Nvidia Plugin...
Never really tried any other game.
So it must work, as Chainfire was the ONLY reason it would load.
I was also on a 2nd-init rom though...which may have some impact?

Jubakuba said:
I got it to run "Sprinkle" (before a single core version was released) with the Nvidia Plugin...
Never really tried any other game.
So it must work, as Chainfire was the ONLY reason it would load.
I was also on a 2nd-init rom though...which may have some impact?
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Thanks. Not sure what Sprinkle is but you proved the driver is somewhat effective, though. I too thought the nvidia plugin would be best as I run all of my PC games on nvidia, even Linux. Wow, Descent ran really, really good on Linux. Too bad I cannot get this DX to do what I want, but I guess this phone, as cool as it really is, is getting a bit long in the tooth. Time to start shopping.
I have not done any ROM'ing yet. I got one click Linux to root my OTA Gingerbread and I thought that was pretty cool, I do not want to break it but if a new ROM could bring some life into this old phone, I would do it. Thoughts? Any of you ROM your Droid X phones to gain significant advantages over stock? I do not want to do it "just to be different" as the phone layout is pretty good, but if a ROM could change the desktop into something really cool, that actually worked (Not like Gnome 2/Compiz) then it would be worth it.

MIUI is super nice.
You do, however, miss out on 720p and HDMI.
But that's all.
And (drama broke out recently, so details are sketchy) there may (probably not) be a public release of a fix that fixes 720p and HDMI on the horizon.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1374281

Hey, thanks for the ROM update and the good links! I went to review the ROM here and I think this is pretty advanced for a DX, but good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5DNx-6O-SE
The MIUI MOD is nice, but I am not "Anti-Verizon" and "Anti-Motorola". I just don't like VZ Navigator, a pay app, running all the time and I cannot remove it. Same for some of the other stuff. There were some good themes too, MIUI does not have an app drawer, ouch. And stuff is broken. I am not ready to go beta on anything yet for something so essential as a cell phone. It is also kind of "Macintosh". But great links and education, thnx.

Ohmster said:
Hey, thanks for the ROM update and the good links! I went to review the ROM here and I think this is pretty advanced for a DX, but good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5DNx-6O-SE
The MIUI MOD is nice, but I am not "Anti-Verizon" and "Anti-Motorola". I just don't like VZ Navigator, a pay app, running all the time and I cannot remove it. Same for some of the other stuff. There were some good themes too, MIUI does not have an app drawer, ouch. And stuff is broken. I am not ready to go beta on anything yet for something so essential as a cell phone. It is also kind of "Macintosh". But great links and education, thnx.
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You could try liberty 3 2.0 I have been running it and love it, it has only the blur elements you want, and unlike cm7 or miui you don't have to give up HD camera or HDMI functionality, if that's a deal breaker for you
sent from my Droid X running Liberty 3

hootowlserenade said:
You could try liberty 3 2.0 I have been running it and love it, it has only the blur elements you want, and unlike cm7 or miui you don't have to give up HD camera or HDMI functionality, if that's a deal breaker for you
sent from my Droid X running Liberty 3
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I did not look into Liberty yet, but I will. I have Android 2.2.2 and they are now at 2.2.3, so, I am falling behind. I cannot OTA anymore or there goes root. Yeah, I will look into Liberty. It was on the ROM page. Thanks again.
I really need to keep this thread on topic, although the advice and ROM information is much appreciated dudes.
ANY 3D GAMERS OUT THERE WITH A DROID X? HOW DID YOU GET A GOOD 3D GAME TO RUN ON A DROID X? Chainfire? nvidia? What games? Dead Space? Anyone?

Close topic please
Moderator, could you please close this discussion? It is old and has outlived it's usefulness. I no longer have the Droid X but now have a Droix Razr Maxx, XT912. I never got really good 3D performance with the Droid X except for Toon Wars. The graphics in that game led me to believe that the unit could do better 3D gaming. But the internal video chip is not very powerful and not even Chainfire can help with that.
Bottom Line:
If you want or need better gaming or 3D video performance, get a newer and better phone like the Samsung Galaxy or anything like that. The Droid X is one very cool phone but a gaming workhouse it is not. Topic closed. OP no longer subscribing to threads.

running Ubuntu :D

Finally got Ubuntu to run on this hench Note!!

willrider said:
Finally got Ubuntu to run on this hench Note!!
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at the risk of this being a dumb question: how come you still have the android notification bar?

makanimike said:
at the risk of this being a dumb question: how come you still have the android notification bar?
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Most likely running under vnc

yep!! chrooted and vnc'ed into it.
everything seems smooth... except when unmounting

May have to give this a try

I can upload my script if it helps.
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willrider said:
I can upload my script if it helps.
Sent from my GT-N7000 using Tapatalk 2
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There are several apps such as https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid which automate the process of setting it up. Might be worth checking out for anyone interested.

nicely done!

Ok... perhaps I'm being dense.. but the original post seems to be claiming he has Ubuntu running *ON* his Note. Which to me means 'I've overwritten Android and am using Ubuntu as the operating system on this tablet'. VNC should have NOTHING to do with it. (Which brings us back to 'why is there an Android menu bar at the bottom?)
If you're running VNC and just remoting to computer using Ubuntu, then it's not running on the tablet, you're just remoting in - which would work with Windows or MacOS just as well.
The other possibility, which also doesn't need VNC is if you got VirtualBox or some other emulator running and were running Ubuntu on that - which would be pretty cool, although not THAT spectacular.
So?
Which is it?

I read about this a while back and can't remember exactly how it worked, but apparently it does run on the phone/tablet along side the Android operating system and you do indeed have to VNC into it.
Also, I heard back when people first started doing this that it wasn't a spectacular experience due to VNC controls on a touch screen being poor.
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doctorbconway said:
I read about this a while back and can't remember exactly how it worked, but apparently it does run on the phone/tablet along side the Android operating system and you do indeed have to VNC into it.
Also, I heard back when people first started doing this that it wasn't a spectacular experience due to VNC controls on a touch screen being poor.
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Weird... I'm not quite sure how that would work - you'd be multitasking the OSes.. which is brutal.
Oh well, time to do a little digging.

We need a native port of Ubuntu because this will transform our tablet into a more productive product then tablets with Win8 .
An alternative would be "Ubuntu for Android", but again, is not available.
The VNC thing is lacking pressure sensitive controls, the protocol does not support this.

how to install？

TheWerewolf said:
Ok... perhaps I'm being dense.. but the original post seems to be claiming he has Ubuntu running *ON* his Note. Which to me means 'I've overwritten Android and am using Ubuntu as the operating system on this tablet'. VNC should have NOTHING to do with it. (Which brings us back to 'why is there an Android menu bar at the bottom?)
If you're running VNC and just remoting to computer using Ubuntu, then it's not running on the tablet, you're just remoting in - which would work with Windows or MacOS just as well.
The other possibility, which also doesn't need VNC is if you got VirtualBox or some other emulator running and were running Ubuntu on that - which would be pretty cool, although not THAT spectacular.
So?
Which is it?
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the note runs a ARM image of ubuntu, using chroot and VNC into it (localhost or127.0.0.1).
it would be pretty pointless to show it running off a pc.

So based on my understanding, you installed ubuntu on your galaxy note 10.1 (which runs in parallel with the android OS) and the only way to access it is through VNC at the local port? Is my understanding correct?
If yes, does this run GIMP like other ARM linux devices?, cause this might make me want to buy a note 10.1 more (Still on the fence since I can only buy it on December). Could you also post the resource links/scripts so that other members with their notes can try? I'd also like to ask how is the performance over VNC? Does it lag a bit?

You can install GIMP and other apps that are not architecture dependent. However it is not for everyday use as it is rather slow. I haven't tried image editing yet. Vnc doesn't support pen pressure and all that.
I will upload the script once I clean it up a bit and plug a few holes
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weihan1102 said:
how to install？
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Easiest way is this app, it has links to prebuilt ARM images and all that good stuff.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid
Anyway, for people who are confused, all chroot does is essentially let you start up Ubuntu userspace stuff on top of the Android kernel, since it's just a Linux kernel anyway. The main benefit is to be able to run any ARM linux software, although graphical stuff is fairly useless because currently there isn't any complete port of X11 to Android so you have to use VNC to run graphical stuff which becomes generally pretty slow no matter the device. You can also SSH into the Ubuntu install which I find more useful for eg. running a web server development environment, or just to have git/ssh/other proper Linux utilities rather than having to use busybox stuff. Personally I think the most useful thing is if you're a vim/emacs user and have a bluetooth keyboard, you can get a lot of work done that way. My emacs-fu is weak so I haven't really used it that much to be honest.

So the performance with gui sucks as of now. Oh well I'll just wait for the official ubuntu OS to be available:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_for_Android
Based on initial data, these are the system requirements:
According to Canonical a phone needs the following requirements:[6]
Dual-core 1 GHz CPU
Video acceleration: shared kernel driver with associated X driver; OpenGL, ES/EGL
Storage: 2 GB for OS disk image
HDMI: video-out with secondary framebuffer device
USB host mode
512 MB RAM
Hope someone ports the official builds on the ubuntu phones and makes compatible drivers for the wacom and touchscreen.

[Q] Anyone tried WinXP (Bochs) on Nexus 7 yet?

Otherwise i might give it a try. Well, lol I could if I had a windows XP ISO Just wondered how it would perform. Is it worth trying or not worth the hassle? Would be cool if bochs/ qemu supported quad core emulation

Tozzy2 said:
Otherwise i might give it a try. Well, lol I could if I had a windows XP ISO Just wondered how it would perform. Is it worth trying or not worth the hassle? Would be cool if bochs/ qemu supported quad core emulation
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Too much hassle, it'll sh1t a brick with the ARM chip and it will only look at 1 core. It'll work but very sloooooooooow.
You'd have more fun trying to run Ubuntu.
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mr_tris said:
Too much hassle, it'll sh1t a brick with the ARM chip and it will only look at 1 core. It'll work but very sloooooooooow.
You'd have more fun trying to run Ubuntu.
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Agreed. Too much hassle for no reward.
And even (Ubuntu) is a slow mess on the Nexus 7. I don't honestly know why anyone wants to do this.. My main PC is a Unbuntu machine.. I run 12.10 w/ dual monitors, 8GB RAM and an ATI 6990. Love it.. Ubuntu is great.. For a PC... The problem with Ubuntu and any linux distro in general and why it sucks on a portable device is it is still entirely way too dependent on terminal commands to clean up its crappy package system. Installing packages is a simple click. One click, app installed along with 8,000 dependencies! Removing them is a click followed by dropping to terminal to purge and auto remove all the useless dependencies that were left behind. I love Ubuntu to death but for the love of god someone needs to get the balls to break away from the tired debian package system.

Apt is fine however more needs automating. You should get an option to purge and autoremove/autoclean from the GUI in an ideal world.

styckx said:
Agreed. Too much hassle for no reward.
And even (Ubuntu) is a slow mess on the Nexus 7. I don't honestly know why anyone wants to do this.. My main PC is a Unbuntu machine.. I run 12.10 w/ dual monitors, 8GB RAM and an ATI 6990. Love it.. Ubuntu is great.. For a PC... The problem with Ubuntu and any linux distro in general and why it sucks on a portable device is it is still entirely way too dependent on terminal commands to clean up its crappy package system. Installing packages is a simple click. One click, app installed along with 8,000 dependencies! Removing them is a click followed by dropping to terminal to purge and auto remove all the useless dependencies that were left behind. I love Ubuntu to death but for the love of god someone needs to get the balls to break away from the tired debian package system.
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Say whaaat? Ubuntu is not a slow mess at all - you just need to get rid of Unity, and it's AMAZING. Chromium is actually faster than on Android!

ben1066 said:
Apt is fine however more needs automating. You should get an option to purge and autoremove/autoclean from the GUI in an ideal world.
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first, you could just leave the dependencies there, doesn't really hurt anyone. second, try synaptic, which is a great gui for apt with purge and autoremove options.

kendong2 said:
first, you could just leave the dependencies there, doesn't really hurt anyone. second, try synaptic, which is a great gui for apt with purge and autoremove options.
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True.. But some of us are OCD about trash lying around. :laugh:
I actually dropped Ubuntu since my post and went back to Mint.. 12.10 just entirely too buggy..

ok thanks guys. You're right, I think it would be a waste of time on just one 1.3Ghz core. Besides, desktop emulation never really would be an ideal environment on any device as it's too greedy on system resources. I have been interested about flashing real linux on this thing, but even that isn't really worth doing unless one just wants a bit of fun til the novelty wears off. The tiny fonts wouldn't be kind to the eyes and navigation would be painfully awkward. Ok, it's jelly bean all the way for me til the next update

Tozzy2 said:
ok thanks guys. You're right, I think it would be a waste of time on just one 1.3Ghz core. Besides, desktop emulation never really would be an ideal environment on any device as it's too greedy on system resources. I have been interested about flashing real linux on this thing, but even that isn't really worth doing unless one just wants a bit of fun til the novelty wears off. The tiny fonts wouldn't be kind to the eyes and navigation would be painfully awkward. Ok, it's jelly bean all the way for me til the next update
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Debian itself would be ideal for the N7.. God how sweet would that be? Boot up the small debian ISO and build your own work environment on the N7 from a bare bones minimum base install.
THAT would be fun..

Android past 2.1?

I have a rooted nook simple touch.
Wondering if it is possible to get an android version like 2.3 on it.
2.1 doesn't support a number of google play apps.

taiwwa said:
I have a rooted nook simple touch.
Wondering if it is possible to get an android version like 2.3 on it.
2.1 doesn't support a number of google play apps.
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Currently no.
Also as far as I know nobody is working on that.

why not 2.2 or 2.3
why doesnt somebody want to get working on upping the android version from 2.1 to 2.2 , please

The effort vs. the benefit
steelworker said:
why doesnt somebody want to get working on upping the android version from 2.1 to 2.2 , please
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Every developer has a list of things he/she would like to do, and the list is always longer than the amount of time it takes to do them (which can be considerable).
Thus, they prioritize what they do, toward what will produce the most benefit. To them. It isn't a simple task to adapt any version of Android to any given hardware, and the Nook Touch hardware is different than most (mostly the display). Some apps that will run fine on a display with rapid refresh, don't work especially well on e-Ink screens with their slow refresh rate. Then there's the issue of processor speed ...
You will note that there is no CyanogenMod development (at least that I can see) for the Nook Touch. Tablets better suited to the task are so cheap these days (Nook Colors can be had used on Craigslist for about $60), that it's probably not worth the effort on the Nook Touch.
I speak as someone with two Nook Touches, that would like to use them in a dedicated USB-host-mode communications application. I'm willing to experiment a bit with the Nook Touches, but it's clear to me that there are better tools for the job.