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Concept for messaging app.

Check this iPhone app out that was reported on by Engadget. Looks like a cool concept and maybe something someone is interested in integrating. Just sharing the info. Enjoy!
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/14/emailnwalk-iphone-app-finally-lets-us-leave-the-house/

Basically for anyone that doesn't understand this it uses the camera input for the background so you can watch where your walking while typing. I think this can be done but no for devices with laggy cameras it could be done for them but I think it would be pointless. Such as the kaiser. (Though HTC camera 6.8 reduces alot of lag) Im willing to help with the UI

nice concept

lol,awesome
i might add this to my fim if its possible to hook the camera view.

I'm sorry but.... It's a nosense app!!I mean the only thing I would see behind the texting gaps would be.... THE GROUND
Think about it... when you're typing a sms you do it lookig DOWN to your device so the camera would record the ground!!!

s81 said:
I'm sorry but.... It's a nosense app!!I mean the only thing I would see behind the texting gaps would be.... THE GROUND
Think about it... when you're typing a sms you do it lookig DOWN to your device so the camera would record the ground!!!
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But why do you do it looking down? So you can look up and see where you are going.

Nagrom Nniuq said:
But why do you do it looking down? So you can look up and see where you are going.
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But it´s uncorfotable at all!! You have to put your arm to do it and... you´d look quite stupid in that position!!!

s81 said:
But it´s uncorfotable at all!! You have to put your arm to do it and... you´d look quite stupid in that position!!!
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This is true. Anyhow, I sure wasn't saying I wanted or needed this developed. I just wanted to pass it along to the community JIC someone was interested.
Keep the info coming in, ya know?

I WANT IT PLEASE would be awesome for walking and if you could use the flashlight too

I don't know how useful would this be... but it would definitely be cool!

The main use of this app would obviously be while driving or riding a motorcycle.

Devs, Why is everyone messing with OpenGL?

I understand the need to tweak, but it seems that tweaking OpenGL only seems to improve LWPs, at the sacrifice of 3D games and Google Maps.
I'm running FreshToast 1.1, and I think it has a hacked up OpenGL.
Google Maps Navigation works, but the screen "blinks" every 2-3 seconds, and to be honest, the 3D performance in gaming is worse than my 1.5 ROM without overclocking or JIT or anything. Damage Control (whichever one he didn't mess with OpenGL) seemed to work just as good as 1.5
Is OpenGL baked into the Kernel? Or can I just push some files and have OpenGL back to the way it was from the "original" sprint release, or whatever it is that works with Google Nav.

herm... ive done nothing to opengl in my build. that is the same opengl that is in every single 2.1 RUU. the same libs that are gonna be in the official update from Sprint. the kernel however has been modified. but only modified to support opengl 1.1 which is eclair opengl. my kernel drivers actually work better then the .29 kernel drivers. producing better fps and better blit ability then .29 kernel drivers. if a game runs funny and is blinking and such it could be the game itself or the games lack of support for opengl 1.1. if ur sayin the games u play work better in cupcake then idk what to say. other then that load up cupcake and run neocore. come back and give me a report. i doubt ur gonna get anything close to what opengl1.1 produces.
as for the LWP opengl kill. all they are doing is adding cupcake opengl libs or noncompatable opengl libs and getting LWP to work. i have not done this and actually think its pointless. but some dont play games and just want some cool LWPs. who am i to judge?
anyhow in my build ur getting the same opengl that ur gonna get in any eclair build using eclair libs. love it or hate it there is nothing we can do about it. the only advantage to using mine and the other OC builds is the CPU is able to process the information faster. thus giving u better frame rates. this all varies of course on the game and what it wants. ive played a few games in testing and have found OC, opengl1.1, and BFS have given a much better feel and framerates. while others may feel good and run smooth but have glitchy bitmaps and textures. for example: homerunbattle... it has awesome actual game play but there seem to be textures that flip out. on the other hand ive played toonwarz which really sucked before, but is totally smooth and actually playable now. also R.thunder lite has shown major improvements. it even says its for high end devices and before all the cpu and shed mods it was totally unplayable. now its playable and actually fun if u ditch the sound to improve frame rates. so yeah i can see where ur coming from. but i also know that OC, BFS, and opengl 1.1 together have made my hero go from playing pong to actually rendering some awesome games. a few glitches and pixelation is to be exspected if ur gonna push a device to play a game it wasnt meant to, or crank the cpu up to get better frame rates. it all come down to hardware. were never gonna make the hero run like a nexus. but..... ive given it the boyscout effort.
also i welcome people to review my kernel source and if they find improvements to submit changes. if u got a better way to make our hardware render please pm me make a patch, or whatever. i be glad to sign ur name to it and push it to my tree.

is there no command or syntax for disabling the opengl in a smali in the lwp's to make them stick? also, I've seen some magic roms with a sup setup app that has an option to disable 3d... I'm assuming this means opengl, as I am pretty damn sure they don't have a seperate gpu, is it possible to make this work on our hero's? Turn it off for keeping your lwp's, turning it on to play games?

mountaindont said:
i love how your like one of the smartest guys here but have the worst grammer
gives hope to us small time guys
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lmfao
grammar* ;/
nice sig!

funcrusher said:
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nice sig!
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lol!
case&point
its thanks to toast i have any hope left

I meant no disrespect as far as your work is considered toast, sorry if it came off that way. You and Flipz have "the hottest ****" (no other way to put it ;-) ).
I'm actually referring to two separate issues. One is Google Maps Navigation. The 3D moving map blinking. I was running Aloyouis (however you spell it) and I know he was doing something with the OpenGL and in turn it broke Google Nav. Now after running Google Nav on freshtoast it works, but is very glitchy. On Aloyouis it was just a black screen. I assumed it had something to do with making LWP work.
The other is actual gameplay lag. I'll have to try toonwarz again. I remember it seemed cool, but too laggy. The game I was referring to in particular was Armagodon Squadron. Then again it may be due to the fact that It's loading a lot of textures off the SD card (A2SD) I'll try putting it on internal memory.
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mountaindont said:
i love how your like one of the smartest guys here but have the worst grammer
gives hope to us small time guys
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fail
and with open gl. i get that weird flashing sometimes with rthunder2. but not bad. i game too on my hero. thats why i left blackberry in the first place. but anyways the .27 OC kernel and my modified rom plays rthunder2 smooth even with sound.

no offense taken(even on the grammar crack). anyhow i was trying to inform. many people are misinformed on these forums. i see things all the time like "opengl fix" and "kernel hack", that are far from what the mods really are. "opengl fix" really means "broken opengl so u can have nicer lwp" and " kernel mod" really means "added a few lines to the ramdisk". its kinda funny from my point of view because most actually think its some sort of real "fix" or "mod to the kernel". being misinformed is what started this thread. if the "rom devs" that use those terms wouldve been more descriptive of what they actually did. then u wouldve known what "opengl fix" really meant. but its also a domino effect that causes that to happen. when i see a fix im not all jumping head first to be first man out. i actually look at what was done and try to figure out how it was done. anyhow im always here to help everyone and when i seen the post i knew u needed to know a few things about the "opengl fixes" that have been gong around.

In that case, are you aware of the "glitching" in google maps nav?
Its as if when driving, its loading a different set of images (maps) and flashes it for a few ms every say.... 5-8 seconds.
I just noticed there is an update for google maps, so im going to update and see if its fixed tomorrow when I do my errand runs.

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In that case, are you aware of the "glitching" in google maps nav?
Its as if when driving, its loading a different set of images (maps) and flashes it for a few ms every say.... 5-8 seconds.
I just noticed there is an update for google maps, so im going to update and see if its fixed tomorrow when I do my errand runs.
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ill try it in the mornin

toastcfh said:
ill try it in the mornin
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I agree, I saw the flashes in google nav, but just blew it off and not sure why its happening. It doesnt really bother me, but if it can be fixed, then thats great!

toastcfh said:
no offense taken(even on the grammar crack). anyhow i was trying to inform. many people are misinformed on these forums. i see things all the time like "opengl fix" and "kernel hack", that are far from what the mods really are. "opengl fix" really means "broken opengl so u can have nicer lwp" and " kernel mod" really means "added a few lines to the ramdisk". its kinda funny from my point of view because most actually think its some sort of real "fix" or "mod to the kernel". being misinformed is what started this thread. if the "rom devs" that use those terms wouldve been more descriptive of what they actually did. then u wouldve known what "opengl fix" really meant. but its also a domino effect that causes that to happen. when i see a fix im not all jumping head first to be first man out. i actually look at what was done and try to figure out how it was done. anyhow im always here to help everyone and when i seen the post i knew u needed to know a few things about the "opengl fixes" that have been gong around.
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lol whats wrong with his grammar, hahaha thats how everyone talks online, i use most of those words when texting, i hardcore say gonna, i hate typing out going to.

Froyo Touch Screen Fix?

I suppose the rumors weren't true, then?

halorin said:
I suppose the rumors weren't true, then?
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I saw someone on here posting a quote about the multi-touch fix... lemme find it
by Paul22000:
Also "A scale gesture detector API provides improved definition of multi-touch events."
I wonder if that means the N1's multitouch axes will be fixed for gaming!

halorin said:
I suppose the rumors weren't true, then?
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since nobody has froyo yet, we dont know if it was fixed or not. i really hope they did though.

Thanks for the responses, guys. I guess in hindsight it might have been good to leave out any negative things in such a positive conference.
But still, some mention would have been comforting.

halorin said:
Thanks for the responses, guys. I guess in hindsight it might have been good to leave out any negative things in such a positive conference.
But still, some mention would have been comforting.
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I feel the same way halorin. It's natural to voice displeasure over something important missed in an update (I would have loved 360* rotation, colored trackball, fm radio, etc) but I know your happy about the update when it does occur and a great guy to have on the forum
All progress is still progress toward perfection, no matter how small.

Thing is, they were just demoing the OS, not device specific things like the N1's trackball & whether it has working FM etc.

Very valid point, Rusty.

Yup, each device will have their own seperate updates with device exclusive things.

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Thing is, they were just demoing the OS, not device specific things like the N1's trackball & whether it has working FM etc.
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*in Kramer voice* ........ you just blew my mind...

ap3604 said:
I saw someone on here posting a quote about the multi-touch fix... lemme find it
by Paul22000:
Also "A scale gesture detector API provides improved definition of multi-touch events."
I wonder if that means the N1's multitouch axes will be fixed for gaming!
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That quote is from the highlights web page:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights.html
The axis problem can never be fixed 100% because the hardware doesn't report enough info to do it for all cases, but currently it is pretty bad and I think better drivers/software could get it close. I believe that Cyanogen's ROMs have had some tweaks that have greatly improved its responsiveness for some time now so perhaps the Android engineers adopted similar fixes. It will hopefully get good enough over time that you'd have to know exactly how the sensors work and deliberately try to fool the drivers in order to get it confused.

I tested a nexus one on froyo today at google i/o, some things that were absent, colored track ball, touch screen wise they didn't have any multi touch analysis program installed, but just pinching around I don't detect any notable differences, so i'm guessing no to those 2 features on nexus, at least on their current build

I was also at I/O and while I did play with a few different Nexus Ones that were loaded with FroYo, I was unable to determine if any screen fixes were applied.
I asked a few times and each time I was politely told that they could not talk about anything that was not already made public (fair enough btw).
However, pinching and zooming on maps seemed to be smoother (not sure if it just my impression or some actual change) and it seemed to respond overall to my finger movements more smoothly.
Also, some games that I demoed on a few different Nexus Ones did employ finger gestures and those games functioned flawlessly from the touch perspective.
I am not sure that translates into any real fix or just my biases, but I am putting it out here for whatever it is worth.
Dan

dan1431 said:
I was also at I/O and while I did play with a few different Nexus Ones that were loaded with FroYo...
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Did you notice if there was 360 rotation? ie could you flip it from 12 to 3 O'Clock clockwise and get it to rotate to landscape when in a rotating app like Maps?

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Did you notice if there was 360 rotation? ie could you flip it from 12 to 3 O'Clock clockwise and get it to rotate to landscape when in a rotating app like Maps?
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I hate to admit this, but I did not even think about testing that feature.
Dan

Dorick said:
I tested a nexus one on froyo today at google i/o, some things that were absent, colored track ball, touch screen wise they didn't have any multi touch analysis program installed, but just pinching around I don't detect any notable differences, so i'm guessing no to those 2 features on nexus, at least on their current build
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Dorick, by any chance have you noticed wifi-n connection?

I'm almost certain from the API improvement and UI modifications listed on the Android SDK site that we have a software fix for the crazy multitouch issue.
Having said that, it means the screen won't go crazy when the paths "swap". But, it's still limited to two touchpoints and not 10 like the 3000 series screen.
A fix is a fix though. =)

Personally if the have fixed up pinch zooming somewhat and made it smoother that will cover me 99% of the way as I use the device so that will be pretty much a fix assuming we actually see it in the official N1 rom.

Gingerbread enables 32-bit colors on our EVO screens!

Title says it all. I can confirm that gingerbread renders everything in gorgeous 32-bit colors!!!!!!
For example, the weather channel app would look like crap, now it looks great.
Wallpapers look STUNNING.
Press and hold the home button to open the recent used apps menu, notice how the black blackground is blending in so nicely. on 2.2 it looks like crap.
Edit: Screenshots up. XDA Adds a lot of compression to both photos but you can still tell the difference.

Cant wait to see this

anyone else able to confirm this? and what program did you use to determine its rendering in 32bit? just wondering

This is correct....
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ha I remember you talking about this on IRC.. Good find!

That's freaking amazing! I can't wait! Are you running gingerbread on your EVO?
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I don't understand why this required Gingerbread to resolve it? but i'm looking forward to no more color banding in wallpapers either way

as a graphics guy, this is probably the best bit of news to come out of the whole gingerbread smorgasbord of news...
utterly awesome!

Yes, I was running gingerbread alpha 3. It's still pretty buggy and with a lot of things missing so I just went back to stock 3.70.
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what program did you use to determine its rendering in 32bit? just wondering
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My eyes
I also just wanted to clarify that our EVOs always had this capability, but only Android 2.3 renders everything in 32-bit color. It's all software.

zeuzinn said:
Yes, I was running gingerbread alpha 3. It's still pretty buggy and with a lot of things missing so I just went back to stock 3.70.
My eyes
I also just wanted to clarify that our EVOs always had this capability, but only Android 2.3 renders everything in 32-bit color. It's all software.
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Show me something that actually says it's really in 32-bit color and I'll believe it. Or you can post the pictures you had posted earlier somewhere else so it doesn't compress them.

shift_ said:
as a graphics guy, this is probably the best bit of news to come out of the whole gingerbread smorgasbord of news...
utterly awesome!
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yes, indeed! i was about to write off gingerbread as a waste of my time but now it can't get here fast enough...
Myn get back from your cruise already and integrate gingerbread builds into warm 2.2!

God I hate when people do this...
I for one believe him... why not. And if it turns out not to be the case so be it. He's been RUNNING GB.....
QUOTE=thetakara;9915297]Show me something that actually says it's really in 32-bit color and I'll believe it. Or you can post the pictures you had posted earlier somewhere else so it doesn't compress them.[/QUOTE]

rockky said:
God I hate when people do this...
I for one believe him... why not. And if it turns out not to be the case so be it. He's been RUNNING GB.....
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Show me something that actually says it's really in 32-bit color and I'll believe it. Or you can post the pictures you had posted earlier somewhere else so it doesn't compress them.
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Yeah totally. He has no reason to lie about it. So why not just take his word for it? We're all here to help each other out

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Show me something that actually says it's really in 32-bit color and I'll believe it. Or you can post the pictures you had posted earlier somewhere else so it doesn't compress them.
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intelligence is overrated.
http://bit.ly/fSLf4v

I went ahead and flashed the alpha 2.3 and honestly saw NO DIFFERENCE in color reproduction.
I know all the places online say the gingerbread renders in 32 bit but I believe its only certain apps and screens that are actually in 32 bit. I could be wrong though
sent from my DAMN EVO

I'll rephrase my response, since it wasn't what I meant. The evo 4g isn't capable of displaying 32-bit color.
And my response wasn't meant to be disrespectful. I'm simply asking for a source isn't of just saying that he used "his eyes".

Hmm, can't see the difference, must be my display.

Success100 said:
I went ahead and flashed the alpha 2.3 and honestly saw NO DIFFERENCE in color reproduction.
I know all the places online say the gingerbread renders in 32 bit but I believe its only certain apps and screens that are actually in 32 bit. I could be wrong though
sent from my DAMN EVO
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Use it a little bit more and you will certainly notice the difference. For example, check out wallpapers and how there is NO color banding effect.
I wouldn't have posted if I had not noticed such difference. Again, it's a subtle effect most apparent in apps like the Weather channel. If you're in doubt, run it on gingerbread then do the same on Froyo, then come tell me you can't see a difference.

Systemfraud said:
That's freaking amazing! I can't wait! Are you running gingerbread on your EVO?
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Hey if u find out he is plz tell me

This is pretty cool. I've been excited for a GB, but not as much as others around here, however, this certainly makes me more anxious for it

why upgrade to windows 8?

I am really fail to find any reason to use windows 8 in any form .
i use now windows 7 x64 and i really fail to see how windows 8 is better other then that ugly stupid Metro thing good only in tablets.
some minor fixes and changes but i won't do a clean install just for that.
So please light me why Microsoft even made it?

mri.project said:
I am really fail to find any reason to use windows 8 in any form .
i use now windows 7 x64 and i really fail to see how windows 8 is better other then that ugly stupid Metro thing good only in tablets.
some minor fixes and changes but i won't do a clean install just for that.
So please light me why Microsoft even made it?
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First off its no % faster its X faster ie text rendering is like 10X faster etc.
The new start screen is far more productive.
You can use 16bit installers on 64bit os
better hardware support
way more secure
more stable
better power management uses fraction of the battery
built in hardware acceleration across the whole OS
better graphics handling
cleaner os that gets less clutter by design
You can save your entire system to a usb stick for working remote sites
better memory management
faster booting programs - crisis was half the time, auto cad was 1/4
boots faster including instant boot - with the correct hardware
wakes from sleep almost instantly (less then a second on an old Centrino laptop)
SSD support is far better - faster
AND YOU DONT NEED TO USE METRO APPS!!! If you don't like Metro don't use it! If you want to give up on vastly better faster more secure more stable system because you prefer to search a list instead of looking at a grid of tiles then so be it. And all that for a few quid as well, I don't get this hate i really don't please someone actually explain it to me! Why is it such a bad thing? Surely its only a cosmetic thing as other then that its much much better for a pile of reasons i have listed in other threads and at worst its on par. Surely you love of a list to sacrifice progression is just odd and you cant then argue its about productivity as for a ton of reasons win 8 smashes any other version out the park on that.

I would never pay full retail for it but for $40... this is a major upgrade to the OS in terms of stability and performance. Also, you don't necessarily need a clean install (i hope for microsoft's sake).

-Copy and delete jobs can now be paused. Yeah. You'll be missing out on a feature that simple if you don't upgrade.
-Multiple copy/delete jobs now take up a single window. No longer will multiple copy/delete jobs clog the task bar with multiple instances.
-Realtime, background backups with multiple states (So you can access every single version of a file there ever was on your computer)
-Backup to network hard-drives
-The $40 upgrade will net you Windows 8 Pro, even if you only have Windows 7 Home Premium. That means you'll get all the extra stuff like encryption and a maximum 192GB of RAM, rather than 16GB.
-Integrated social networks/mail/calendar/etc
-Cloud synchronisation of OS settings
-Simple and clean recovery options
-File copy jobs are now like 2+ times faster
-Faster in all aspects. Less CPU usage, less RAM usage, faster file management.
-Absolutely no intrusion from Windows Update. Ever. No pop ups or anything.
The boot times truly are astonishing. My Windows 8 Release Preview notebook with 7200rpm hard drive boots faster than my Windows 7 with SSD, even though the notebook's installation is older and the hard drive is more full.
Every boot, unless you restart due to an update, is sort of a hybrid between hibernation and full shutdown. Drivers and system files in a loaded state are saved to the disk, and immediately transferred into the RAM at boot.
UI navigation is faster than Windows 7, too. I only used the start menu to search. I never actually used All Programs because it was too slow and small to navigate, and got clogged with readmes and other stuff.

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UI navigation is faster than Windows 7, too. I only used the start menu to search. I never actually used All Programs because it was too slow and small to navigate, and got clogged with readmes and other stuff.
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I avoided the all programs because it took way too many clicks to get anywhere. But on Windows 8 its just a "click" or two of the scroll wheel and you're there (depending on how you arrange your start screen).
Though what bugs me the most is that when you install a program it pins so many shortcuts to the start screen (probably devs have to fix it themselves). For example I installed solidworks last week and it put 15-20 icons on there for all of its settings and edrawings crap.

SSD faster??
I'm running two vortex 3 raid 0 will this be faster?
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mri.project said:
I am really fail to find any reason to use windows 8 in any form .
i use now windows 7 x64 and i really fail to see how windows 8 is better other then that ugly stupid Metro thing good only in tablets.
some minor fixes and changes but i won't do a clean install just for that.
So please light me why Microsoft even made it?
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w8 is a downgrade for you. just enjoy what you have

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w8 is a downgrade for you. just enjoy what you have
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Please explain your comment instead of just putting up FUD! How in any way is Windows 8 a downgrade from 7? We are open to talks both ways but your comment is just inflammatory negative and plain wrong without any valid argument or point!
I would really love to hear your views on WHY it is a downgrade please share. I have yet to find anyone who can say why other then "I don't like the way it looks". You seem to be very direct with your point so you must have reasons! come on share them or are you just a troll?
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SSD faster??
I'm running two vortex 3 raid 0 will this be faster?
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Yes,
though running vortex in raid 0 is risky they have a fairly high fail rate and yes you get some speed bens of 0 with SSD its not anything like the diff in hhd running it.

lumpaywk said:
Please explain your comment instead of just putting up FUD! How in any way is Windows 8 a downgrade from 7? We are open to talks both ways but your comment is just inflammatory negative and plain wrong without any valid argument or point!
I would really love to hear your views on WHY it is a downgrade please share. I have yet to find anyone who can say why other then "I don't like the way it looks". You seem to be very direct with your point so you must have reasons! come on share them or are you just a troll?
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though running vortex in raid 0 is risky they have a fairly high fail rate and yes you get some speed bens of 0 with SSD its not anything like the diff in hhd running it.
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fear, uncertainty and doubt was not spread by me. also, there was no inflammation involved.
also, when you use "we" instead of "I", you infer a representation of more than one person. I commented to the op, very specifically, and am only speaking for myself. are you speaking for a group?
read the op's original post. he doesn't like w8, doesn't care for the UI, doesn't like the features that are new. very simply, he doesn't need to downgrade to something he's not interested in, and will receive little to no benefit from.

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fear, uncertainty and doubt was not spread by me. also, there was no inflammation involved.
also, when you use "we" instead of "I", you infer a representation of more than one person. I commented to the op, very specifically, and am only speaking for myself. are you speaking for a group?
read the op's original post. he doesn't like w8, doesn't care for the UI, doesn't like the features that are new. very simply, he doesn't need to downgrade to something he's not interested in, and will receive little to no benefit from.
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We if ref the community as a whole, generally if you go to forums its because you wish to share knowledge and/or talk about the pro and cons of each topic. Clearly your not involved in this collective as you fall into the closed minded I need to spread hate category that plague us.
Second of all you have not put any constructive point still. Yes the OP stated a dislike for the UI but asked past that is there a reason to upgrade so you listing the original concern is not putting forward anything.
Yes there is no need but then there is no NEED to leave XP for a couple years yet but does that mean if I like the look of XP its a downgrade to go to 7 or 8? personally I think the best looking phone is the nokia 8850 does that mean that im on a downgraded phone now I use my Lumia 800 or my One X?
There has been plenty of reasons put forward as to why its a good upgrade look above ie faster, more secure, better hardware support, better graphics support, faster browsing, better power consumption etc etc but I guess there all downgrades to after all who wants to be secure and fast when you can have something older and slower because you don't like the "look" of something you use about 1% of the time.
Also no the fear isn't spread by you its spread by the closed minded, the commenters that look at vids instead of using, reporters paid by Apple a fear of the unknown an unwillingness to change and more then anything else a game dev who stands to lose out after MS offer something better then his silly games store that runs better on 8 then 7.

that was a lot to read. where was your positive input?

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that was a lot to read. where was your positive input?
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It is nothing to do with positive or negative input! Its about that input having substance or meaning and pref with facts or evidence to back it up. To say something is a downgrade when someone is asking for advice from people that have insight when you have nothing to back that up is not only negative and derogatory its also of no help. If you have a valid reason why then by all means share it but as I said, only someone who has not even used Windows 8 for any amount of time would think that the new interface is anything more than a slight change to people that don't want to install metro apps.

lumpaywk said:
It is nothing to do with positive or negative input! Its about that input having substance or meaning and pref with facts or evidence to back it up. To say something is a downgrade when someone is asking for advice from people that have insight when you have nothing to back that up is not only negative and derogatory its also of no help. If you have a valid reason why then by all means share it but as I said, only someone who has not even used Windows 8 for any amount of time would think that the new interface is anything more than a slight change to people that don't want to install metro apps.
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again, the op said he didtn like it.
is it not fairly easy to understand that using something you like less , is a downgrade?
no matter how much paint you put on a pig, its still a pig.
now, hold her horses, this is -not- a comparison to w8. this simply means , no matter how much you point out how great something is, if someone doesn't like pig.... they just don't like pig!

ohgood said:
again, the op said he didtn like it.
is it not fairly easy to understand that using something you like less , is a downgrade?
no matter how much paint you put on a pig, its still a pig.
now, hold her horses, this is -not- a comparison to w8. this simply means , no matter how much you point out how great something is, if someone doesn't like pig.... they just don't like pig!
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using your own analogy, pigs are very often miss understood animals, many people who don't like pigs would like them if the bothered to get to know them

dazza9075 said:
using your own analogy, pigs are very often miss understood animals, many people who don't like pigs would like them if the bothered to get to know them
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mannnnn, you're goooooood.
works for me! now convince the op
I'm lazy, if someone says they hate pigs, I just let em eat fish. or birds. or whatever.

I use my pc purely for gaming and Web browsing. I use my mbp for everything else as I prefer osx for productivity. Those things listed don't seem to help much for Gaming. I have ssd sata3, will speeds improve? Also ultimate 7 already allows me to back up to a network hdd. I haven't read much good about gaming.. Gabe Newell didn't seem to like what win8 had to offer. Thoughts?
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so i read this thread yesterday b/c i was thinking of upgrading to W8... just installed it, and aside from something going wrong and me having to do a clean install halfway through installation which means i lost all my existing files, this thing is AWESOME!!! takes a moment to get used to... but having the option to use the normal look is good to have on there!! now time to install all my programs again lol
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also forgot to mention... is there anyway to integrate gmail instead of this microsoft email stuff?? being an android user, my stuff is heavily sync'd already in that area and i think it would be great to have similar integration to this too!!

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so i read this thread yesterday b/c i was thinking of upgrading to W8... just installed it, and aside from something going wrong and me having to do a clean install halfway through installation which means i lost all my existing files, this thing is AWESOME!!! takes a moment to get used to... but having the option to use the normal look is good to have on there!! now time to install all my programs again lol
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also forgot to mention... is there anyway to integrate gmail instead of this microsoft email stuff?? being an android user, my stuff is heavily sync'd already in that area and i think it would be great to have similar integration to this too!!
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Mail app is trash for gmail (kind of like hotmail and yahoo for android - they suck). Same with people and messenger for facebook. It's better to use the desktop sites for these. Calendar is nice for viewing google calendar, it puts reminders on your lock screen and live tiles. Though if you want to change anything I would suggest using the website again.

thanks... i guess what i was referring to was the whole integration part... pictures, mail, im, etc... but i guess its not that big of a deal really... chrome installed fine and i just use that anyways... still some getting used to... but it's nice and i love the smoothness and speed of this!

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I use my pc purely for gaming and Web browsing. I use my mbp for everything else as I prefer osx for productivity. Those things listed don't seem to help much for Gaming. I have ssd sata3, will speeds improve? Also ultimate 7 already allows me to back up to a network hdd. I haven't read much good about gaming.. Gabe Newell didn't seem to like what win8 had to offer. Thoughts?
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Gaming and web browsing see a big improvement. That said I would wait till you get the final build drivers out for your graphics card as with any new system.
Games boot times and load times are massively improved, cutting some load times in half already (will get faster as drivers and updates come). Not only that most comparisons also see a reasonable diff in fps and that is on beta graphics drivers. On top of that you get some cool features like cross platform live integration and xp points. You get live chat without needing some clunky background software eating your resources. Also if you set up the backup features right if say you accidently over save a game you can roll back to any date the save file (there was a really good write up on how this is useful http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2012/08/03/how-windows-8-file-history-saved-my-career/ ). Don't listen to Gabe he is just kicking off because he sees the MS store as competition to his own and so is trying to manipulate the market into running an OS that again forces users into his store, nothing more than that!
Also browsing is improved though not as much as I would of like but even a small improvement is better than non. most notably is that test is now rendered with hardware acceleration as well as everything else. You deffo wont see a decrease here and its worth a note that its much more secure esp in metro browser (but then you lose plugin support but will ask if you want to flip to desktop so you don't lose anything really as it will just flip when you ask it to).