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Samsung Galaxy S2 (I9200) - Real or Fake

After the launch of Samsung Galaxy S, hardly after 15 days we noticed rumors started from a russian sites that its predecessor is already in development with following specs:
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- OS: Google 3.0 Gingerbread
- 4.3-inch 2-Super AMOLED display with 1280x720 resolution
- 1080p Full HD video recording
- 2 GHz processor
- 32 GB of internal memory, a slot for MicroSD memory cards up to 32 GB
- 1 GB RAM, 4 GB ROM
- Battery: 2000 mAh
- 8-megapixel camera with autofocus and HD video recording
- 3.5 mm audio jack
- A-GPS, Accelerometer, gyroscope, proximity sensor, ambient light sensor
- Google Service (Android Market, Google Search, Google Maps, Gmail, Google Talk, YouTube)
some say that this phone will b available in 2011. other says this might hit the market on Christmas.
Guys. i want to know what do u think about it. is it true or fan gone crazy.

Looks like a real killer if we go by specifications alone. Looks extremely tempting to me. Not sure how real though.

and ive noticed most of rumors about samsung mobiles from russian sources turn out to be true. fingers crossed this time

fayeznoor said:
and ive noticed most of rumors about samsung mobiles from russian sources turn out to be true. fingers crossed this time
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I was going to bring up the Russian accuracy thing, they had an accurate Bada phone preview that included the Wave and the next announced devices.
I think this is ahead of their processor roadmap, and even so I still think whatever they use is likely to be designed and made in-house.
I think this is true or close to true, but part of that is definitely wishful thinking. If it's not completely true, it's probably close to right, and we will probably get an announcement around the holidays so they can get people to hold off on buying a new phone from a competitor. If this has a 2000 mAh battery I'd break my SGS contract to get one.

It's fake. 2Ghz ARM in a consumer device is a pipe dream right now.
Plus Samsung have invested heavily in ramping up production of the Galaxy S, they're not going to cripple sales just as they complete their roll-out.

I could see that happening in about a years time. Anyone could really guess those specs... I definitely wouldn't hold my breath for it though. Better to just get the GS now if you want a good phone.
Also I believe that 4.3 screen is too large for a phone, as it becomes almost unpocketable.

Read this:
http://briefmobile.com/samsung-i9200-galaxy-s2-is-probably-a-fake

it'll need to carry a pretty thick battery. or the battery life is pretty bad.
unless they miraculously came up with some better type of battery.

Definitely wouldn't come out for Christmas, it would canibalize i9000 sales. Just like TravUK said they'd probably work towards rolling out the i9000 to the max.
Regarding the battery, if they come up with new processor architecture or screen technology like some advanced super amoled, that could help a lot two

I would come right back to Android for a device like this or one like it made by HTC. Regardless, I have no doubt we are going to see much better devices from most of, if not all of the majors by Dec (or least full specs of soon to be released phones by Dec).
If you're stuck in a new 2 year right now and you can't or don't want to pay up to get out, you'll be feeling the burn in 4 months; such is the speed of phone tech these days.

I'll not be surprised if it's true.
In fact i was waiting for something like this to come out.
Unfortunately I needed a NEW phone NOW like yesterday, so from the crop of current available best phone was the SGS i9000, and that's what i purchased.
I'm quite sure if that 2Ghz phone makes it to the market next year, it'll cost over $1500+
That thing is essentially a PC inside a phone case.
4.3" screens are huge, most people will not like it in their pocket.
my old HTC Athena has a 5" screen and.... THAT IS ONE OF THE MAJOR REASON why i switched back to a slightly smaller screen like the one on the SGS i9000
anything larger than 4" is very uncomfortable in the front pocket of your jeans, or shirt as most of these phones now in days pack quite a bit of weight to it, although the SGS i9000 is OK, not too heavy.
in the past i choosed the HTC Athena for the 5" screen for movies and stuff, because i used to sit a lot in the Subway, and Buses, it was great, but it sucks when you want to go to say Theme park, and go on a roller coaster and stuff like that.
That's why i switched back to a smaller phone.
fayeznoor said:
After the launch of Samsung Galaxy S, hardly after 15 days we noticed rumors started from a russian sites that its predecessor is already in development with following specs:
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- OS: Google 3.0 Gingerbread
- 4.3-inch 2-Super AMOLED display with 1280x720 resolution
- 1080p Full HD video recording
- 2 GHz processor
- 32 GB of internal memory, a slot for MicroSD memory cards up to 32 GB
- 1 GB RAM, 4 GB ROM
- 8-megapixel camera with autofocus and HD video recording
- 3.5 mm audio jack
- A-GPS, Accelerometer, gyroscope, proximity sensor, ambient light sensor
- Google Service (Android Market, Google Search, Google Maps, Gmail, Google Talk, YouTube)
some say that this phone will b available in 2011. other says this might hit the market on Christmas.
Guys. i want to know what do u think about it. is it true or fan gone crazy.
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I'll probably sell the SGS i9000 and get that one when it comes out, if it's real, and when if it does actually hits the market

AllGamer said:
4.3" screens are huge, most people will not like it in their pocket.
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That's just not true for everyone. My Evo and it's 4.3 screen to me is the perfect phone size aside from it being a bit too thick. Take a look at the SGS and how it, like the iPhone do not use a lot of the front space above and below the screen. Now take a look at other phones such as the Evo and how it has a screen that takes up more of the front space. Holding the Captivate in hand along side the Evo yesterday and the difference in size is very small and really comes down to the Evo being thicker than I'd like. I can place the Evo in my shirt pocket just as I do with the iPhone now.

AshMa said:
That's just not true for everyone. My Evo and it's 4.3 screen to me is the perfect phone size aside from it being a bit too thick.
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that's the problem most of the phones that has larger than 4" screens are too thick, and heavy, both usually due the battery, and other internal components that makes up for the lost space inside the phone.
one of the reason why i like the SGS i9000 so much is because of that, i found it surprising for a 4" phone to be this thin, got tired of carrying a thick 5" phone with me all the time

AllGamer said:
that's the problem most of the phones that has larger than 4" screens are too thick, and heavy, both usually due the battery, and other internal components that makes up for the lost space inside the phone.
one of the reason why i like the SGS i9000 so much is because of that, i found it surprising for a 4" phone to be this thin, got tired of carrying a thick 5" phone with me all the time
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I'm guessing that you haven't picked up an Evo before? It was thick to me but most owners of it thought I was crazy for thinking its a little too thick. The Evo is thick because of the 4G radio and other components; NOT because of the screen size.
And come on now, a 5" phone like the one you had, or the new Dell are in a different class which doesn't include 4.3 inch devices like the Evo. Remember the size is measured from the bottom left corner to the top right corner of the screen. Seriously, Google for side by side images and you'll see what I'm talking about when I say that a 4.3" device like the Evo, is not much bigger than the SGS. BTW' The HD2 I have is a very thin phone yet it has the exact same 4.3" Evo screen......
My dream phone would look a lot like the Evo and be the same size only a bit thinner and have a flush camera lens (with a powered lens door) along with having the iPhone 4 screen (in 4.3" of course) and at least Android 2.2 while waiting for 3.0. 1ghz or 1.5 Samsung CPU, 16GB internal with SD card supprt and all the other goodies we all love.......

2Ghz CPU in a phone is not really viable as 99% of the time the phone sits on 200-400Mhz for power efficiency anyways. I'd rather see a dual core 1 to 1.2ghz CPU instead, so that twice the work is done in the lower, more power efficient Mhz range.

cheetah2k said:
2Ghz CPU in a phone is not really viable as 99% of the time the phone sits on 200-400Mhz for power efficiency anyways. I'd rather see a dual core 1 to 1.2ghz CPU instead, so that twice the work is done in the lower, more power efficient Mhz range.
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battery is rumored to be 2000mAh

I too had an HTC Athena, and loved it fiercely at the time when everyone else only had 2.8 inch screen tiny phones. If time is to go back to 2007 I'll still make the same choice. I'm into big screen phones which is in my mind the only real attraction of looking outside iphone.
Of course, today I would never want something as thick, big, and heavy as Athena anymore. Our yardstick for acceptability should change as technology moves forward rather than stay static.
The hugh battery need too drive such a PC (as one of us calls it) might be too heavy. So, I'll wait till the final spec to become available before deciding. By then there may be a 4.3 inch iphone too.

I'll start believing in 2GHz phones when anyone makes a 2GHz ARM SoC. Qualcomm just recently introduced a 1.3Ghz 45nm Snapdragon, and they were the first to bring a 1Ghz ARM-based SoC to market, so I doubt anyone is substantially ahead and about to release one that runs at twice the current speeds. ARM SoCs have definitely not advanced at such speeds in the past - they were hovering around 600MHz at peak for a long time.
Also, an updated version of Super AMOLED so soon, when it's only on a couple of devices? And along with it, a resolution that's higher than any other Android phone? I don't see this turning up soon.
So it has a CPU that doesn't exist yet, a screen that also doesn't exist yet, twice the RAM/ROM/storage and 25% more battery capacity than the Galaxy S, and an improved camera. Sounds like a wish-list to me.

natsirt789 said:
Read this:
http://briefmobile.com/samsung-i9200-galaxy-s2-is-probably-a-fake
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I don't think this is well written. First, the processor is definitely the most suspect thing, I'll give them that. However, the talk about the naming convention and the Samsung Super AMOLED, but I don't think they know much about the tech behind it. If they can make a AMOLED with 720p, then the SAMOLED wont be that much development, it's in their development process that they just eliminate a layer of touch and put it into the screen, the real hard part is making 720p, but they've been working on this for a long time, to think because they just shipped their first devices with it doesn't mean much to me, personally, but what do I know?
Saying 4.3 is the sweetspot, I can't disgaree with more, they are trying to compete with HTC and Moto and all the others, they could care less if 50% of the market wants 4", 10% want 3.5" 20% want 3.7" and 15% want 4.3"...they want to grow and they can afford to make 4.3" screens since they can use it in other devices in the future.
I won't get started on the naming convention, because that is subject to change and just a dumb point of arguing. Perhaps their naming convention is based on how long it took to make a follow up, then 9200 is perfect.
Also, to those who say this will cannibalize sales, they would be different class devices and this would be more profitable. They'd love to partially cannibalize sales in order to get the highest-end, most profitable device into as many hands as possible. HTC is growing and growing fast with this strategy, Samsung would love to emulate it, if they can.
All that said, again, I don't think this is really a done deal...but I think that article is a bit naive with it's logic and focusing too much on what Qualcomm is doing when Samsung and Qualcomm use different chips.

Mithent said:
I'll start believing in 2GHz phones when anyone makes a 2GHz ARM SoC. Qualcomm just recently introduced a 1.3Ghz 45nm Snapdragon, and they were the first to bring a 1Ghz ARM-based SoC to market, so I doubt anyone is substantially ahead and about to release one that runs at twice the current speeds. ARM SoCs have definitely not advanced at such speeds in the past - they were hovering around 600MHz at peak for a long time.
Also, an updated version of Super AMOLED so soon, when it's only on a couple of devices? And along with it, a resolution that's higher than any other Android phone? I don't see this turning up soon.
So it has a CPU that doesn't exist yet, a screen that also doesn't exist yet, twice the RAM/ROM/storage and 25% more battery capacity than the Galaxy S, and an improved camera. Sounds like a wish-list to me.
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I think they are mistaking a dual core processor with 2ghz. It will be 2 1ghz processors.
But don't be so sure about their can't be 2ghz processor as Samsung is on the cutting edge of ARM they might surprise us. At the specs stated it would have better Dpi or similar compared to the Iphone. So it is bound to need a lot more processing power.

SGS2 & Sensation Tested

Wow. From preliminary testing, the Sensation's performance is pretty underwhelming. I was seriously considering it before I got the SGS2 because I've had a lot of luck with HTC phones and I like the QHd screen. I'm not Sensation bashing but the results speak for themselves. The phone got really low quadrant scores when it was tested pre-production as the Pyramid. They've improved, but not tremendously.
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SlashGear 5/20/11 - In terms of performance, the Galaxy S II keeps its crown at this early stage. We ran benchmarking tool Quadrant Advanced, and the Samsung scored 3504 overall, with 7119 in the CPU category. In contrast, the HTC managed 2245 overall, with 5918 in the CPU category. I/O is also low, at half the score that the GSII manages. Bear in mind, though, that raw benchmarks generally don’t tell the whole story, and depending on how HTC (and Samsung) throttles its processor, results will vary widely (you can see that in the video above, where both phones get different in a different run of Quadrant; the CPU appears to be so new that Quadrant can’t identify it, either, in the System Info pane).
It’s too early to say whether the Sensation offers enough to take the Galaxy S II’s spot at the top of our Android leaderboard, that will have to wait for the full review. Its display holds up surprisingly well to Samsung’s Super AMOLED Plus, though we’ll have to see whether it can match the GSII’s impressively lengthy battery life.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-sensation-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-video-20153280/
For skeptics, go here and watch the benchmarking and web browsing tests of the Sensation before leaping to its defense.
http://www.youtube.com/user/samjpullen
P.S. - I'm sure as HTC's flagship it's a great phone and will undoubtedly serve millions of users well and develop a loyal fan base. But, for this user, I'm happy I went with the SGS2.

take note that resolution in the Sensation is higher than SGS. Given that though. Still Samsung's own Exynos chip craps over all others.

In fairness to the HTC, Quadrant scores really have to be taken with a pinch of sodium chloride for the most part. Still, unless they have put a decent battery in the thing, I can't imagine it will compete in that respect. The Desire HD has a terrible battery life.
EDIT - having looked at the HTC's specs it really is in 2nd place behind the Samsung in my view. At best it could match the performance of the Exynos but I suspect it won't be able to when software is written to take advantage of Samsung's chip, it only has 768mb of ram (as opposed to 1gb on the GS2) and 1gb of internal storage unless you put a card in it (in comparison to 16gb on the GS2 currently). Then there is the battery life which is less. You only have to look at the screen shot above to see the screen isn't as good quality wise. In fact, apart from the increased screen resolution and perhaps HTC Sense, I can't see a single thing I would take over the Samsung.

You realize quadrant doesn't use multiple cores right? Quadrant is a **** benchmark, use smartbench2011 or something (btw I knw u didn't test these)
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dk206 said:
take note that resolution in the Sensation is higher than SGS. Given that though. Still Samsung's own Exynos chip craps over all others.
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we can't also ignore the 3d tests being capped to 60fps on samsung either

dk206 said:
take note that resolution in the Sensation is higher than SGS. Given that though. Still Samsung's own Exynos chip craps over all others.
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CPU test has nothing to do with resolution.

ph00ny said:
we can't also ignore the 3d tests being capped to 60fps on samsung either
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I wonder if there is any method to test the full potential of the gpu bypassing the 60fps cap? Just to know what this is capable of

ECOTOX said:
You realize quadrant doesn't use multiple cores right? Quadrant is a **** benchmark, use smartbench2011 or something (btw I knw u didn't test these)
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I wouldn't have been so taken aback if it was just one benchmark by one source. The only reason I'm even following the Sensation is I could have gotten it for 1/2 of what I paid for the SGS2 and wanted to see if I made the right choice (and I'm objective enough to admit failure). It's still early and once more are in the wild we'll see how it fares in things like battery life, camera, sound, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and GPS which we have no shortage of comments on.
Watch this, it's a benchmark of Quadrant and Linpack and the reviewer is certainly being objective:
http://www.youtube.com/user/samjpullen#p/search/10/6RHziztN2gs
And this is real-time browser performance:
http://www.youtube.com/user/samjpullen#p/u/11/JBJT_n6u7Wk
Again, not bashing the Sensation but both HTC and Samsung have gone out of their way to position the Sensation and SGS2 as their "flagships" opening up the right to be critical. With people on this forum going nuts about a .05 second delay after hitting the home button imagine the hue and cry if the SGS2's browser behaved the way the Sensation's does.

BarryH_GEG said:
I wouldn't have been so taken aback if it was just one benchmark by one source. The only reason I'm even following the Sensation is I could have gotten it for 1/2 of what I paid for the SGS2 and wanted to see if I made the right choice (and I'm objective enough to admit failure). It's still early and once more are in the wild we'll see how it fares in things like battery life, camera, sound, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and GPS which we have no shortage of comments on.
Watch this, it's a benchmark of Quadrant and Linpack and the reviewer is certainly being objective:
http://www.youtube.com/user/samjpullen#p/search/10/6RHziztN2gs
And this is real-time browser performance:
http://www.youtube.com/user/samjpullen#p/u/11/JBJT_n6u7Wk
Again, not bashing the Sensation but both HTC and Samsung have gone out of their way to position the Sensation and SGS2 as their "flagships" opening up the right to be critical. With people on this forum going nuts about a .05 second delay after hitting the home button imagine the hue and cry if the SGS2's browser behaved the way the Sensation's does.
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WOW, and that's with "on demand" flash..? the SGSII gets WAY better than that with "always on" It really is like night & day when it comes to performance. I guess you gotta take into consideration that the sensation IS a QHD screen..? More pixels..? Either way, the super amoled + makes up for that loss and then some.

Galaxy S2 is better but I love the build quality of the Sensation

The sensation has the same problems everyother htc phone has. Your guaranteed to have crappy audio(tiny sound) and dust under screen.
Does the qhd screen make sensation near a 1000 points less then the sgs2?

Looking at the article on Anandtech
anandtech(dot)com/show/4144/lg-optimus-2x-nvidia-tegra-2-review-the-first-dual-core-smartphone/4
The Qualcomm CPU is only partially out of order. It is more similar to a Cortex A8 than the Cortex A9. Since A9 is faster than A8, I guess, clock for clock comparision, Sensation's slower performance is expected.

EleCtrOx666 said:
CPU test has nothing to do with resolution.
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The cpu part of quadrant or the benchmark overall?
Because resolution is a HUGE part in scores.

intruda119;14025647
Does the qhd screen make sensation near a 1000 points less then the sgs2?[/QUOTE said:
No, only ~500 less.
Its even below droid X2....
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The sensation might nit be the fastest phone but it had Sense, after coming from the Desire to the SGS2 I appreciate how much effort the put into that to create their user experience, it beats the iphone hands down.

intruda119 said:
The sensation has the same problems everyother htc phone has. Your guaranteed to have crappy audio(tiny sound) and dust under screen.
Does the qhd screen make sensation near a 1000 points less then the sgs2?
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Starting to wonder if the bad audio (both loudspeaker, and tinny call quality) have something to do with the build materials used? Both Samsung and Motorola = plastic and have superior sound in comparison. Sigh, guess I'm waiting until a Canadian carrier picks up the GS2, and hopefully by then, most issues with it are sorted.

godutch said:
The sensation might nit be the fastest phone but it had Sense, after coming from the Desire to the SGS2 I appreciate how much effort the put into that to create their user experience, it beats the iphone hands down.
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I must be one of the few people on here who never really liked Sense.
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Pagnell said:
I must be one of the few people on here who never really liked Sense.
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Your not alone. Not that I didn't like it, I just find LauncherPro better. ON my Desire - it's a LOT let laggy. A few widgets and it was lag-central on Sense - but i will miss the general UI if I get a GSII such as the round-edged-rectangular boxes, the colours. I generally prefer it to the blocky rectangles on TOuchWiz, but then again TW looks really sleek.
Also people must stop confusing build quality with "feel". the build quality is "supposed" to be superb. it's made from a lot of plastic, yet there are no creaks. It's the the lightness and the "feel" of the plastic that makes it feel like a "poor" phone. There is only one upside though - when you drop it, because it's not heavy it's not going to hit the ground with as much force.
(feel free to correct me if you actually have a GSII, which I don't! :/)

when you drop it, because it's not heavy it's not going to hit the ground with as much force.
(feel free to correct me if you actually have a GSII, which I don't! :/)
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Brb dropping phone off of a building
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tjjensen23 said:
Brb dropping phone off of a building
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haa. Just trying to apply physics GCSE revision to real life situations!

GS3 vs One X - Can you handle the Truth?

The most beautiful minimalist phone ever produced imho, Kudos to Samsung.
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Superior R&D
Superior Audio Codec
- Wolfson Micro WM1811
Superior Video Codec
- "The SGS3 is using among the best encode parameters I've seen on a smartphone to date - 17 Mbps H.264 high profile with CABAC. - Anandtech
Superior Amoled Screen
- While text all look the same at above 300PPI [unless you view your screen with a microscope at 200X] in Multimedia Samoled is King.
Superior CPU and GPU
Infinitely better Eye Tracking! Removable Battery and SD Card Slot...er wait lol
No Build Quality Issues
No Chipping
No Flex Issues
No Things rattling inside phone [seems to be "normal"]
No Screen Flickering
No Stuttering Videos
No Locked Bootloaders EVER, [HTC, don't blame AT&T]
No "First unit: Flash lens was missing. Returned for a replacement. - rpritch" wth
No "I struggled to buy a defect-less One X unit"
Superior Software & Features... not beats
Touch Wiz vs Sense
Touchwiz was one of the first if not the first to implement hardware acceleration and is one of the smoothest most resource friendly launchers. Back with gingerbread, touchwiz browser was pure butter....one of the smoothest i've ever used and definitely still one of the smoothest i've used. It's also battery efficient etc....
Sense on the otherhand is a resource hog, not very battery friendly, and mostly just looks good. Touchwiz is ugly, but there's a huge dev community for the galaxy phones so getting rid of it and flashing AOSP or anything was super simple.
As for user friendly, touchwiz is probably one of the simplest to use. Also looks kinda like iOS buttons which might help a bit but w/e. In terms of out of the box performance, samsung software > HTC software
- PewPewBangBang One X Owner
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- Anandtech Bench -
What surprises me in these benchmarks is how close the GS2 performs to the One X. Disappointing on One X' part if you ask me.
As we showed in our SGS3 performance preview, the handset is, as Samsung described it, capable of posting "superlative" benchmark numbers with its 1.4 GHz Exynos 4 Quad SoC. It goes without saying that even with TouchWiz running atop Android 4.0.4, the SGS3 is butter smooth, everywhere. - Anandtech
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June can't come soon enough!

boodies said:
No Build Quality Issues
No Chipping
No Flex Issues
No Things rattling inside phone
No Screen Flickering
No Stuttering Videos
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The One X has been in available around the world for a month now, and none of those are mass reported problems. Since the SIII is not released yet or even reviewed, I can't see how you think SIII will be problem free.
I like the screen on the One X over my Note (same amoled as SIII), the colour are more accurate and its much brighter in direct sunlight. As for CPU/GPU, both are more than powerful enough to make no difference for day to day use.
Overall, apart from removable battery and micro sd card, SIII and One X are too very close to call. I think both phone will do well over the next few months. The SIII is more suited to the power users, but One X have the WOW factor the SIII lacks, which will do will with general public who don't really care about removable battery or expendable storage.

Bigmille said:
Since the SIII is not released yet or even reviewed, I can't see how you think SIII will be problem free.
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No Build Quality Issues
No Chipping - Same Material used in Previous Galaxy
No Flex Issues - Same Material used in Previous Galaxy
No Things rattling inside phone - Never Happened and I trust Sammy R&D
No Screen Flickering - Super Amoled HD = GS2 had no issues
No Stuttering Videos - Proven Exynos CPU and Video Player Both made in-house by Samsung for superior cooperation.
There, happy? And yes I'd like both do to well and push Android further but this is a nerd tech phone forum, why not have some fun ^_^

Threads like this remind me a little bit about Top Gear, where they say a car can't be cool if you have to explain WHY it's cool.
With the one x, you can just show it to someone, and they will be "wow, that's cool". With the SGS3, they will think it looks ugly/bland but may be won over after you spend 5 mins telling/showing them why it's cool.
And yes, phones are all about being cool
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boodies said:
No Build Quality Issues
No Chipping - Same Material used in Previous Galaxy
No Flex Issues - Same Material used in Previous Galaxy
No Things rattling inside phone - Never Happened and I trust Sammy R&D
No Screen Flickering - Super Amoled HD = GS2 had no issues
No Stuttering Videos - Super Amoled HD = GS2 had no issues
There, happy? And yes I'd like both do to well and push Android further but this is a nerd tech phone forum, why not have some fun ^_^
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The htc one x is a pos.
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diehard2222 said:
The htc one x is a pos.
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It's not a POS that's for sure. But there are some real issues and I don't think people should ignore them. Lets keep things a little more pro brother lol.

The rattling sound that people complain about is when they press a button and it vibrates. They think the sound of the vibration is a rattle
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*Closes eyes and shakes head* -Noooo! Now you're ruining my world! I CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!

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The most beautiful minimalist phone ever produced imho, Kudos to Samsung.
Superior R&D
Superior Audio Codec
- Wolfson Micro WM1811
Superior Video Codec
- "The SGS3 is using among the best encode parameters I've seen on a smartphone to date - 17 Mbps H.264 high profile with CABAC. - Anandtech
Superior Amoled Screen
- While text all look the same at above 300PPI [unless you view your screen with a microscope at 200X] in Multimedia Samoled is King.
Superior CPU and GPU
Infinitely better Eye Tracking! Removable Battery and SD Card Slot...er wait lol
No Build Quality Issues
No Chipping
No Flex Issues
No Things rattling inside phone [seems to be "normal"]
No Screen Flickering
No Stuttering Videos
No Locked Bootloaders EVER, [HTC, don't blame AT&T]
No "First unit: Flash lens was missing. Returned for a replacement. - rpritch" wth
No "I struggled to buy a defect-less One X unit"
Superior Software & Features... not beats
Touch Wiz vs Sense
- Anandtech Bench -
June can't come soon enough!
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The real question is can *you* handle the truth? The truth that CPU benchmarks are a pile of useless s.it that have nothing to do with real life usage experience? The truth that tegra optimized apps will always run better on the one x and there are no whatever-samsung-called-their-cpu optimized apps and won't be for quite some time? The truth that HOX has more beautiful screen than the pentile SAMOLED? The truth that difference in performance *might* be felt after a year and a half when both these phones will be old news? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the downright ugliness of the sg3? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the cheapness of the shiny plastic? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the inferior screen? The truth that after that year and a half finally passes the only apps that will show any difference will run bad on the sg3 and worse on the HOX because both will be outdated?
Can you?
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If I get a SIII I hope I don't have to see useless threads like this in this forum for the next year.

Thread will be closed i am sure in a while..These threads are not necessary. No need to make yourself feel good bro just because you are getting a new toy. Enjoy your new toy and no need to bash others just because they made another choice..Both phones are great and both have their own good points. Even though most are just gimmicks from the iphone (yes S-Voice just a copy from Siri) and really even though i love the features of the phone it still does not cry out innovating from some parts of it..anyways if i did not had my one x i would be going for the s3 cause i still believe it is a good phone but the issues you are stating about the one x not everyone has it..so best go and do your research again. Plus each time i press the water lockscreen it will probably make me wanna go and have a leak.. and on that note

First & foremost I'm an Android Fan & not brand specific and will go with who ever I believe will give me the best end user experience.
I like the One X, I also think it has a very nice display, I like sense as a UI & the unit feels nice in the hand, play with my sisters one most days even to the point where I even ordered one, which I then cancelled due to the impending SIII launch.
Now the SIII is here I have ordered one, mainly due to the larger replaceable battery, full size sim (I have other network contracts) and Micro SD Support. These three things alone kill the HOX stone dead for me and I would guess quite a number of others who have multiple handsets.
I think seriously looks a very subjective thing, but when fashion fades only style remains. In the most part these things normally end up in some sort of protective casing which renders the looks aspect moot in most cases.
In 18months time, when the you have stopped looking at it aesthetically and just use it as a day to day communication,entertainment and productivity tool, what is really going to matter?
To me it will be.
Ease of use, battery life, reliability, compatibility & decent brightness in daylight.
I'm I really going to care about the differences in terms of Screen Technology's on a day to day basis, I doubt it, its a phone at the end of the day as long as the display is good that's all the really matters personally. Not for the least part there will be something better by then the anyway.
They are both really good High end devices which will hopefully push Android even further in front of a certain fruit company.
Just my 2p

I noticed Wolfson on the your spec list. This is great! Sound quality is a major factor for me, and keeps me on my Galaxy S (AT&T Captivate). With the return of Wolfson, I may be able to upgrade this summer when it comes to AT&T.

tkolev said:
The real question is can *you* handle the truth? The truth that CPU benchmarks are a pile of useless s.it that have nothing to do with real life usage experience? The truth that tegra optimized apps will always run better on the one x and there are no whatever-samsung-called-their-cpu optimized apps and won't be for quite some time? The truth that HOX has more beautiful screen than the pentile SAMOLED? The truth that difference in performance *might* be felt after a year and a half when both these phones will be old news? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the downright ugliness of the sg3? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the cheapness of the shiny plastic? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the inferior screen? The truth that after that year and a half finally passes the only apps that will show any difference will run bad on the sg3 and worse on the HOX because both will be outdated?
Can you?
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Here is my opinion. I think they both will be winner. I'm not saying that to make everybody else happy, its cause its the truth. Here are facts:
The one x is the best looking device without a shadow of a doubt. It looks sexy, the screen is amazing, it is really a great looking device. But unfortunately it has horrible battery life, screen issues, lag and stutter and sense while it looks beautiful is still a heavy skin. ( about the issues if you don't believe me go check the one x forum). Still it has great potential and WILL get lots of dev support so in a couple of months its gonna be a beast!
Now the Galaxy S3, honestly I like the design a lot. It isn't as beautiful as the one x but still , people are saying that it looks awesome in person. Then you got so many pros, exynos 4 quad on board , expandable storage, removable battery all in a device that is thinner than the one x. Anadtech and many others have reported the phone to be buttery smooth as expected. On top of that the phone should be easy to root ( no S-off bull crap required) all the new features Samsung introduced look great. Dev support is gonna be HUGE just like the one x will but with a boot loader easy to unlock. My personal choice is the S3 cause after I was blown away by the S2 , Samsung has won me over as a loyal customer. They both will b great especially when development takes off but I will give the edge to the s3 cause it is a performer!!!

We dont need another SGS3vsHTC whatever thread.
All general chat goes here

Is it worth the updgrade?

Hi Guys. Looking for honest opinions on the Nexus 7 (2013) as I have the Nexus 7 (2012) 32Gb and am looking to upgrade. Want to know if it's worth it? I know the spec is better, but wanted some opinions of people who have used it to advise how it feels, have the touchscreen issues been fixed, and other reported issues with first batches. Many Thanks in advanced

Is an upgrade in every aspect of the first. The screen is sooooo much better and with the new processor there is zero lag. Those were my main two issues with the first and I'm extremely happy with the second one.
>^.^< Sent From Meow HTC One

I'm coming from the ASUS TF300T (10" tablet). Granted, I never used the OG N7, but the TF300T also has a Tegra 3 processor, just clocked a little slower.
Physical differences:
While the change in size was a little bit of an adjustment for me (took like 20mins of use), it quickly grew on to me. I can easily hold it with one hand, as opposed to resting the 10" across my upper arm/wrist. It also fits into the pocket of just about any of my pants, and you would never tell.
Speed vs. Lag:
I can tell you that the difference between the two is night and day. You barely notice the tab slow down if you are installing/updating apps. There were times where the browser would not respond to my pinches, but the navigation bar would still respond as normal. I'm not sure if that's a problem with the tablet, or with Chrome. Might be Chrome, but I haven't used ugh of the other browsers (except for Dolphin, which allows me to save my downloads where I want to before it begins).
Multitasking is awesome. You sometimes forget which apps were running in the background, but 8 different apps later, and the old ones still reload instantly, without any redraw.
Conclusion:
This was my short review of the N7.2. I know that I left out a lot of topics, but I listed the reasons why I switched. Yes, the OG N7 isn't slow, but going forward, you will begin to see where its older hardware begins to lag behind.
The upgrade isn't necessary, in my opinion, but it's worth the money. If it's too much of a sacrifice, then simply wait for something that's way better.
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Big upgrade for me. The screen is much better, imo, and I don't have any touchscreen issues.
I like the slightly slimmer form factor, and the speed bump is noticeable to me.
No regrets upgrading from the original N7 here.

Look at it like this:
I am speaking from experience I own both models 2012 and 2013
Tegra 3 still kicks the adreno GPU's butt at games no matter what people try to tell me.Consider this....on the TEGRA N7 you can O.C you GPU to over 600 MHZ...its not the safest but its wayhigher and performs better than the 2013 model which tops out at UNDER 500MHZ.
I have both tablets on the same ROM with the same kernel running at their stock frequencies and tegra delivers better gaming despite the 2012 N7 screen being crappy.
Now... as far as overall smooth performance and usage the new N7 is the clear winner since it runs at higher frequencies and has a better CPU, better screen with higher ppi. You also have more RAM, dual speakers, two cameras, and less bezzel.
They are both great I own N7 2012 32GB wifi and N7 2013 32GB LTE.
I use my old one only for games so memory is full now and use my new one mainly for every thing from emails for work, apps, surfing and even voice calls with groove ip. you can still play games and they look great but I feel tegra is always going to deliver slightly and maybe even better gaming performance with future tegra chips.
hope it helps this is just my take on it
Edit: Don't get me wrong it is deffinitely an upgrade in every sense of the word, and I would say go and upgrade but it really depends what you use it for and if it makes sense to spend the money as well. The new N7 is a great device and I waited for it very much until the ATT version came out on GOOGLE PLAY.. just depends what you want it for that's all

sk8trix said:
Tegra 3 still kicks the adreno GPU's butt at games no matter what people try to tell me.Consider this....on the TEGRA N7 you can O.C you GPU to over 600 MHZ...its not the safest but its wayhigher and performs better than the 2013 model which tops out at UNDER 500MHZ.
I have both tablets on the same ROM with the same kernel running at their stock frequencies and tegra delivers better gaming despite the 2012 N7 screen being crappy.
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You must get a lot of people trying to tell you otherwise. Come on, the Adreno 320 dumps all over the Tegra 3's GPU both on paper and in benchmarks and pretty sure I've seen some actual game results too. It's also a widely known fact that that NVIDIA has always sucked for mobile GPU's, even still with the Tegra 4.
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Yeah hard to believe tegra 3 I could function better on games, even if you could oc the gpu a little higher.
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dud3me said:
Yeah hard to believe tegra 3 I could function better on games, even if you could oc the gpu a little higher.
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i have a tegra 3 device and an Xperia Z (adreno 320-1080p).
on the z every game works lagfree on highest graphics, on tegra there are a lot of lags and stutters.
Xperia Z-Vanir AOSP

Whether to upgrade or not is going to come down to personal wants and needs, I think.
My personal experience:
I've spent a total of probably an hour, over the course of a couple visits, playing with the 2013 model at a local store. That was enough device time for me to decide that the upgrade wasn't worth it....for me. I did everything I normally do (or as much as possible with a display model) on the 2013 and came away underwhelmed. For my needs (reading, email, news, calendar) I really couldn't tell the difference between the two (the screen included).
Anyway, my needs are obviously simple, so mileage will vary.

I have upgraded and can say: A huge improvement!
On the 2012 model, display contrast was poor, and text was not completely sharp - so you could read web sites with small text on it, but it was straining for the eyes, especially when the text was not black (e.g grey like in the Play Store or Youtube app).
On the 2013 model, all is very easily readable and eye-friendly (although my Tablet Z has even better contrast).
This alone is worth an upgrade.

I like my new Nexus 7, just as much as I enjoyed the 1st gen I had.
As the old model is an awesome tablet, I managed to sell it easily, and the price to upgrade was minimal, so that was a great incentive to upgrade. The new model has these improvements that I think is worth the upgrade:
A) the faster speed/processor plus the 2MB ram... everything is just slightly less laggy, most notably when multitasking many RAM-heavy apps at once, and switching back and forth between them
B) the dual/stereo speakers is a nice upgrade
C) the lack of any noticible pixels in the screen due to the massive resolution bump-up
D) the form factor of both models is excellent, but the new one is a bit lighter (quite a bit) plus thinner and all around better to handle
E) I don't have a cellphone, so the rear camera is a nice addition
Really though, both are excellent in all regards... I don't play GPU intensive games, so maybe there is a reason to upgrade as well, but I doubt it... If you can sell your 1st one easily, do it... Whoever gets your old one will be getting a killer tablet, and you will be (slightly) future-proofing yourself by having the latest and greatest.

GoneTomorrow said:
You must get a lot of people trying to tell you otherwise. Come on, the Adreno 320 dumps all over the Tegra 3's GPU both on paper and in benchmarks and pretty sure I've seen some actual game results too. It's also a widely known fact that that NVIDIA has always sucked for mobile GPU's, even still with the Tegra 4.
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Tegra 4 GPU isn't that bad. It's just a bit better than Adreno 320 but behind 330.

I have the tf300 and now the n7 2013, I think for browsing and other small things they are equally smooth (provided you run 4.3 on the tf300, otherwise it's laggy as hell) but I have to say this screen is beautiful, as good as the HTC one x (which is pretty damn good, just not as good as the HTC one), font in portrait are crisp and easy to read, unlike for instance the tf300 which could really only be used in landscape. Viewing angles are good too unlike for instance the tablet z.

GoneTomorrow said:
You must get a lot of people trying to tell you otherwise. Come on, the Adreno 320 dumps all over the Tegra 3's GPU both on paper and in benchmarks and pretty sure I've seen some actual game results too. It's also a widely known fact that that NVIDIA has always sucked for mobile GPU's, even still with the Tegra 4.
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I don't go by benchmarks benchmarks are useless... I play the same game on both and I notice the tegra 3 will play them way better regardless what a piece paper says. I don't wanna try to convince you because it really doesn't do anything for me lol but having both I can see the differences and where one beats the other.
Its very funny you bring up benchmark results though and amusing....I guess you haven't read all the recent stuff about how most OEMS cheat benchmarks but then again some people will believe whatever they're told. I guess if I tell u apples are blue you'd believe it.
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sk8trix said:
I don't go by benchmarks benchmarks are useless... I play the same game on both and I notice the tegra 3 will play them way better regardless what a piece paper says. I don't wanna try to convince you because it really doesn't do anything for me lol but having both I can see the differences and where one beats the other.
Its very funny you bring up benchmark results though and amusing....I guess you haven't read all the recent stuff about how most OEMS cheat benchmarks but then again some people will believe whatever they're told. I guess if I tell u apples are blue you'd believe it.
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Well most of those benchmarks have the exact same workload as playing a game, thus it is impossible for a GPU 3x faster in such benchmarks to be slower in a game, unless there are serious issues with the game itself.
Also, you must be too slow to comprehend what you read, otherwise you'd know that stock Android devices (Nexuses) don't cheat in any way. Therefore how could OEMs cheating in benchmarks affect comparing a Nexus 7 2012 to 2013 in any way whatsoever? Lol you should probably just stop posting you obviously have no idea what you are on about.

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Well most of those benchmarks have the exact same workload as playing a game, thus it is impossible for a GPU 3x faster in such benchmarks to be slower in a game, unless there are serious issues with the game itself.
Also, you must be too slow to comprehend what you read, otherwise you'd know that stock Android devices (Nexuses) don't cheat in any way. Therefore how could OEMs cheating in benchmarks affect comparing a Nexus 7 2012 to 2013 in any way whatsoever? Lol you should probably just stop posting you obviously have no idea what you are on about.
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agreed.

Google Pixel C

"Google Pixel C 10.2" Tablet With 308ppi, Detachable Keyboard, Lightbar, And Android Marshmallow Coming Later This Year"
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Tegra X1 processor with Maxwell GPU
32 or 64 GB storage
3GB RAM
Android 6.0 Marshmallow
Price:
32 GB - $499
62 GB - $599
Keyboard
$149
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Fool me twice google?
It has a 10.2in, 308ppi screen with a bright backlight capable of 500 nits. It is powered by an Nvidia X1 quad-core processor with 3GB of RAM and a Maxwell desktop-class GPU.
Should I start taking bets on full OpenGL 4.X support?
I would sell my N9 at a huge loss in a heartbeat if I thought the PixelC would have full library support for the X1 from Nvidia. :crying:

So, why don't call the Pixel C-> Pixel Nexus?. It's Google thinking of leave the Nexus Tablet program, or they're just waiting to release a better product?.

I only just bought the Nexus 9 during HTC's most recent 40% of sale both because of the good price AND because I thought that there was no new tablets from Google this year.
If the Pixel C isn't called a Nexus, even though it runs Android, it probably means that it won't be running strictly AOSP. On the positive side, maybe this means it will have vendor-proprietary performance optimizations. On the negative side, it might not be as developer-friendly as a Nexus.

nVidia chipset? Yeah, good luck with those updates.

kinda funny how everybody is suddenly slapping a keyboard onto their tablets haha
I've used the surface and other convertibles before, having a detachable keyboard really is not all good, and if you really consider getting work done on the road a laptop would almost be better in every way possible
but there has to be target audience who will want to have those, I'm just wondering who?
also, I'm interested in the price, whether it will be priced like a nexus or like a pixel

This is the first Google tablet that has caught my attention in quite some time. Although, I sort of wish it was going to be released with 4GB ram. Perhaps 3GB is enough though...
EDIT: Does Android Marshmallow have improved RAM management? I was just reading how you can now view how the RAM is being used app by app but wasn't sure if how the OS actually handles RAM management has changed any.

Let's see here...
nvidia tegra SoC.... yep.. won't even consider buying this thing.
Seriously though, what kind of productivity can we expect to do on an Android tablet?
The only thing I can think of is Microsoft's office apps.
From personal experience, a cheap intel powered chromebook is way batter for productivity than an Android tablet.

darkchazz said:
Let's see here...
nvidia tegra SoC.... yep.. won't even consider buying this thing.
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What is so horrible about the Nvidia Tegra X1?

michaelearth said:
What is so horrible about the Nvidia Tegra X1?
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I can't say anything about the X1.
But previous Tegras were hyped by nvidia yet mostly failed to deliver.
Latest being the K1 Denver in the Nexus 9. Benchmark scores are off the roof but performance in day-to-day usage is nowhere near as good.
Power consumption is also quite high and the chip heats up like crazy once you start doing anything more than just scrolling through pages.

best tablet for me for heaving gaming

Is this a joke? No stylus support, no mention of improved software interface for tablets. How is this different from a Samsung Tab S2 with a cheap 40 dollars Bluetooth keyboard?

True to that. I bought a Nexus 9 about half a year ago but sold it again 1 month ago. It can be razor fast however I feel the OS (kernel?) is badly optimised to properly support the powerful processor. The Nexus 9 felt laggy most of the time. At 1 point it bugged me so much I sold it off again. Felt like a beast in a cage

CheCorchete said:
So, why don't call the Pixel C-> Pixel Nexus?. It's Google thinking of leave the Nexus Tablet program, or they're just waiting to release a better product?.
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Google actually manufactures the Pixel line. They are typically made with stellar quality, design, and materials (and generally priced to match). Nexus devices are manufactured by other companies (LG, Asus, etc). They are made in partnership with Google and offer the clean Android experience. They're also typically very reasonably priced for the hardware offered (the N6 being the exception).

Here is the spec sheet for the Tegra X1 "Super Chip"
It is a 64-bit octa-core processor, according to Nvidia, with an Nvidia 256-core Maxwell GPU and full DX-12 and OpenGL 4.5 Support

darkchazz said:
I can't say anything about the X1.
But previous Tegras were hyped by nvidia yet mostly failed to deliver.
Latest being the K1 Denver in the Nexus 9. Benchmark scores are off the roof but performance in day-to-day usage is nowhere near as good.
Power consumption is also quite high and the chip heats up like crazy once you start doing anything more than just scrolling through pages.
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Ehh, makes me wonder if you actually own the Flounder or if you're just going based off of what you read on the internet lol.
I've got zero issues with power consumption or heat dissipation with my Nexus 9 (Flounder). :laugh:

So all the kiddies in this thread led to me having no choice but to post, as I have been saying this for months over on G+. If you are having any "issues" with the Nexus 9, it is the way you are going about it, and not the tablet. As @NYCHitman1 can attest, the Nexus 9 is very battery efficient, and mine (at least) NEVER overheats, or even gets close to a point where i would consider it "hot". I get about a MONTH of standby time, and routinely see over 10 hours of screen on time when streaming media, and close to 6 hours of SOT when gaming. Never once has it heated up doing either. I love my Nexus 9, and the only way I would consider going with ANYTHING else, would be if Google decided to release another 10 inch Nexus (f the Pixel). I want the ability to let developers improve my device, I want the bigger screen size (after using the N9 for almost a year, I could never go back to a 7 inch screen like my Flo had), and I want to be able to rely on my tablet having battery left even if I don't charge it for a couple days. In my opinion, the Flounder is leaps and bounds an improvement over the 2013 Nexus 7, and I think Google hit a homerun with it. Just my lousy two cents. (Also, I just recently got 900+ hours of Up Time on my N9, with no lag issues, no freezing, and no dip in performance. The attached screenshot is with about 650 hours of Up Time, and it was still going like a champ)

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PivotMasterNM said:
kinda funny how everybody is suddenly slapping a keyboard onto their tablets haha
I've used the surface and other convertibles before, having a detachable keyboard really is not all good, and if you really consider getting work done on the road a laptop would almost be better in every way possible
but there has to be target audience who will want to have those, I'm just wondering who?
also, I'm interested in the price, whether it will be priced like a nexus or like a pixel
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Personally, I will never buy another 10"+ Android tablet that doesn't have at least an option for a keyboard dock. Ever since my Asus T101, I absolutely must have a keyboard dock for any "large" Android tablet. I'm currently using an HP Slatebook 10 x2, which I LOVE. It's super fast, has a great keyboard dock and it just a great device (love the stereo front-facing speakers too!). ANd you can find the Slatebook for about $200 brand new (with keyboard dock).
The problem with this Google device is that they keyboard dock doesn't have a trackpad, any special function keys, a battery in the keyboard dock, etc - it's just missing way to much functionality that a tablet with a keyboard dock should have (the Slatebook x2 has all of this, plus a full sized USB port, full sized HDMI port, etc).
Even when I'm sitting in front of my PC at home, I still use my Slatebook x2 for everything! Android apps just allow you do things so much quicker than using a web browser - and the keyboard dock makes typing a breeze. Love having the extra battery in the keyboard dock as well....
I also have an Asus T100 (Windows 10 tablet/keyboard dock), but it's nowhere near as useful as my Slatebook x2 for day-to-day tasks. Even the T100 is only $200!
I would love a tablet with a REAL keyboard dock from Google, but this device just isn't it...
Just my two cents!
Sent from my HP SlateBook 10 x2 PC using Tapatalk 2

NYCHitman1 said:
Ehh, makes me wonder if you actually own the Flounder or if you're just going based off of what you read on the internet lol.
I've got zero issues with power consumption or heat dissipation with my Nexus 9 (Flounder). :laugh:
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I have the 32gb white WiFi variant since release back in November. And before that, a Tegra 3 powered 2012 Nexus 7.
Performance of the Nexus 9 has been fine for me.
It can be amazingly fast at times, then there are some occasional stutters
But unless all I do is read books and documents on it, I could never get more than ~5 hour SoT.
The SoC gets quite hot, felt on the back near the camera, on a daily basis for me, especially when browsing the web.