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http://www.pcworld.com/article/1867...irst_week_of_sales_were_weak_report_says.html
Thats a ton of complaints coming out for only 20k sales.
Not being available in T-Mo stores really hurt sales. I think being able to see this screen and hold it in person would move a hell of alot more units.
he Nexus One didn't benefit from such a strong marketing push like the Motorola Droid (estimated $100 million), despite Google's phone featuring so-far unique Android features. This has reflected in poor first week sales for the Nexus One, as per the table below. (Click image above to enlarge)
Instead, Google chose a soft launch for the Nexus One, selling it through their website. But the steep $500 Google is asking for the unlocked device and the mixed reviews the Nexus One received didn't help to maximize first week sales.
Flurry's report mentions that the Nexus One lacks the "wow factor" and the general perception that the device is not seen as revolutionary, but rather just evolutionary from other Android phones.
Om Malik, of GigaOm, notes that Flurry's estimated sales numbers for the Nexus One might even be a bit far fetched. He mentions Google has been giving away the Nexus One to its employees and also lent it to many members of the media for reviews, which could have bumped up Flurry's analytics.
Next to the poor first week sales figure, the Nexus One has also seen mounting complaints over the 3G connectivity of the device and the lack of developer tools for the Android 2.1 platform.
In her review of the Nexus One, my colleague Ginny Mies notes that Google's phone "isn't quite the game-changer people hoped it would be, though it certainly trumps other phones in performance, display quality, and speed." Next to pros like a dazzling OLED display, snappy performance and sleep, slim design, she marks the lack of multitouch support and the software keyboard as cons.
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I'm actually glad. I dont want the nexus one to become a fashion icon like the iPhone did.
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I'm actually glad. I dont want the nexus one to become a fashion icon like the iPhone did.
EDIT: YOU! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING HERE
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awww Fuuudgdeeee
Had to be 2 new yorkers didnt it. lol
Agree with this though. Ive been saying I hope a ton of people want it but few get it. That way Google is pressed to resolve there customer service and HW issues and early adopters dont look like bandwagon jumpers for the latest fashion device.
On the flip side... I hope Google doesnt turn around and blame Tmobile. Tmo and Google have been continually bringing out Android sets I hope that relationship doesnt sour because of this.
Actually 20k in sales for a phone that has reportedly had the vast majority of users buy the unlocked version is pretty damn good (Leo Laporte mentioned it on TWiT on Sunday)
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As much as I give credit to Apple for what they've done with the iPhone, the iPhone has become the "razr" of phones.....the "Wal-Mart" of phones....
The bad press on this phone is silly. It takes nothing into consideration, bends around the truth, and just sounds misinformed. This phone had a soft launch, wasn't available in stores, no television ads, and wasn't really advertised by Google until the day of it's launch.
These soft launches make an impact. Word will spread and then it will pop up and explode on Verizon. I'm not even trying to defend the device, it just makes me angry seeing so much misinformed crap popping up on the web.
"But the steep $500 Google is asking for the unlocked device and the mixed reviews the Nexus One received didn't help to maximize first week sales."
Mixed reviews meaning angry fanboys? I don't get it. The thing runs Android really well, is fast as hell, looks great, has a good camera, etc. I have no idea what people were expecting. Android has been out, and this was stated to be an Android device.
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As much as I give credit to Apple for what they've done with the iPhone, the iPhone has become the "razr" of phones.....the "Wal-Mart" of phones....
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everybody and their dog has an iphone. i'd rather have something few others do
To be honest, and trying to be unbiased, I think these numbers are ok for Google. Here's why I say that... given the marketing channel used here (online only sales and advertising), I suspect that Google is banking on a moderate rate of sales early on, with an increase a little later. Most people like to see and touch something prior to dropping hundreds of dollars on it. I think Google is counting on the early adopters to buy the phones, and then once we have them and others start seeing and playing with them, they will start buying. In theory, this should work the same as if the N1 would have been sold in stores, except the initial sales would be lighter and the rate of sales would be steeper after the first few weeks.
My proverbial 2 cents...
#1. It's hard for someone to drop that much cash on a phone unseen. Like others have pointed out, it's hard to sell a mobile phone without being able to "touch" it and play with it at a retail store.
#2. The N1 is one of the first handsets relatively available for purchase which has the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor. I honestly think the "hacking" community for the N1 will be similar of what the G1 (HTC Dream) has seen... In other words, the HTC Passion is basically the next great hacking platform as the HTC Dream experienced.
Cheers,
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So essentially 1 in 150,000 Americans (ROUGHLY, only considering domestic sales) are packin the N1 - Sounds like a pretty elite/exclusive group if you ask me
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..."But the steep $500 Google is asking for the unlocked device and the mixed reviews the Nexus One received didn't help to maximize first week sales."
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Also, to add onto this...I don't think the price is steep at all. In fact it is cheaper than many other unlocked devices with lesser hardware. Also, it has been pointed out in many places that getting the unlocked version is cheaper than going with the subsidized version and mandatory plan.
When a phone can be purchased only from one location and one URL only gadget freaks like us know about it's existence. Some of my friends who think they are gadget freaks were shocked to see my phone over the weekend. They didn't even know about it yet. Forget the common man. Unless, the phone is sold in T-mobile, and B&M stores, it will be hard to sell like Driod.
Except for lousy T-mobile 3G inside buildings, I love this phone. But I am seriously thinking about returning just to go back to AT&T as I would like to stay with the best GSM carrier who gets most unlocked 3G phones so I can keep changing my phones every few months.
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To be honest, and trying to be unbiased, I think these numbers are ok for Google. Here's why I say that... given the marketing channel used here (online only sales and advertising), I suspect that Google is banking on a moderate rate of sales early on, with an increase a little later. Most people like to see and touch something prior to dropping hundreds of dollars on it. I think Google is counting on the early adopters to buy the phones, and then once we have them and others start seeing and playing with them, they will start buying. In theory, this should work the same as if the N1 would have been sold in stores, except the initial sales would be lighter and the rate of sales would be steeper after the first few weeks.
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I agree. This seems similar to Gmail when it was in Beta....and Gvoice. Only certain people had it and it was invite only. This seems to make a launch more manageable (less volume) and the inital adopters are the ones who typically want it the most and spread the word to others for free.
I want one... I just don't want to pay $530 to be a beta tester. I think once the 3g issues are solved we'll see alot more people pay for the phone
once Verizon and vodaphone get this phone. Sales will SKY rocket.
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The only way for a big change in sales would be to sell the Nexus One in stores, mainstream buyers are not going to spend premium money on a handset that they can not handle first.
There are not enough early adopters and tech heads like most of us on this site to make a major impact on sales. Plus many of us are holding off to see how the 3G issue gets handled before buying.
since they didnt really air commercial for the phone and it is only available online. the numbers are pretty good.
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The HARDWARE to produce the Nexus One costs $175$. This price does NOT include licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
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Yeah... Putting the parts together... probably costs more than the parts themselves, including labor.
Sure, I could get the "parts" for my car too for less than a quarter of what it sells for... I wouldn't want to try to assemble it though!
Cheers,
Kermee
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The HARDWARE to produce the Nexus One costs $175$. This price does NOT include licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
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...not to mention R&D
I still have people ask me when its coming out when I show them mine, this phone is still very "underground"
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The HARDWARE to produce the Nexus One costs $175$. This price does NOT include licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
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Can you send me a link to where you found out the hardware only cost $175 for the nexus one. I would like to see how much the snapdragon proc costs, and the 512mb of ram, and all the other components in the phone, and just the cost of putting it together.
And I am not referring to licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
Just the hardware and the costs to put the phone together. I call bull**** on the $175 dollars.
That is how much it might cost to put together the iphone 3gs with much cheaper hardware. But the Nexus One hardware is another story.
Have you read what they're doing lately? To me, this is such a disrespectful move towards Google and the Android OS. Yeah, Android is open source, but you shouldn't let the carriers abuse and diminish Google and the Android name.
I will NEVER join Verizon. Google needs to make a stand for their OS, for their revenue stream, for their stance in the mobile world.
And they need to make a ****ing Nexus Two and sell it better, market it better, offer it for cheaper and sell it online. I believe that they could revive their online phone store if they had the right marketing people to do it. They need to come out with a device that does MORE than everything currently available. They need to put the "making of phones" politics down, put everything in a device that will do everything. I hate it when manufacturers only put current specs, or a little over current specs just to put out a device four months later with a couple upgrades.
Google needs to stay true to its OS, and to its phone line. I would buy every Nexus phone here on out because it has simply been the best phone i have ever owned out of like 20.
/rant over, hope you all agree with me
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Have you read what they're doing lately?
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Um... You mean about the default search? Yes, I have... But you might want to actually explain it or link to it, otherwise your post makes no sense and hence 0 replies
Google won't be mass-producing phones, and there is no "Google phone line". They offer developer phones for developers, they don't produce the phones - they outsource the production to actual phone manufacturers, they did that ever since Android, and that's what they'll do. They won't market their phones, they won't sell their phones, because they don't want to. Go search "Open Handset Alliance", read, and use some brain to understand, why it's not going to happen. Not hard, really.
Google can respond easily, and it already did. Google search in on the Market, anyone can install it. And it just needs to make easily installable VoIP app.
Tried posting a link but don't have access yet. Besides the default search they are bringing the VCast app to android in hopes to compete with the market.
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Welcome to android "openness".
IMO that is neither better or worse than all the manufacturer customizaton crap.
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Welcome to android "openness".
IMO that is neither better or worse than all the manufacturer customizaton crap.
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As a consumer, it is YOUR responsibility to only support products and companies that serve YOUR needs. Giving money out is a way of saying "hey, I like this."
Well DON'T.
If you don't like verizon or what they do, don't give them any money. If everybody shares your opinion, then NOBODY will support verizon and they WILL go under.
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I'd rep you if i could. I too would buy every nexus here on out, by far the nicest phone ive owned and at least 90% of my friends would say the same (that 10 being iphone users )
I just moved from ATT to T-Mobile. Got one of those MyTouch 3G Slides for my mom and the bloatware on it wasn't as bad as what I saw from ATT and Verizon.
Now I read a thing on En or Giz, can't remember which, about Verizon also making its own Android App store and Google are fine with that because they say they want Android everywhere. That's their current goal. In my opinion, it's a double edged sword. On one hand, I think Google should work on a wall for its "garden." But, on the other, it'll no longer be a completely open environment.
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Google won't be mass-producing phones, and there is no "Google phone line". They offer developer phones for developers, they don't produce the phones - they outsource the production to actual phone manufacturers, they did that ever since Android, and that's what they'll do. They won't market their phones, they won't sell their phones, because they don't want to. Go search "Open Handset Alliance", read, and use some brain to understand, why it's not going to happen. Not hard, really.
Google can respond easily, and it already did. Google search in on the Market, anyone can install it. And it just needs to make easily installable VoIP app.
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Actually, I think that Google search is blocked from the market by Verizon ...
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Have you read what they're doing lately?
/rant over, hope you all agree with me
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LMAO, no, I don't agree with you.
It's a business.
I like the phones that HTC makes. I like the phones that Google calls their Developer models (G1 & N1). So, I bought both those phones.
As mentioned by lbcoder, it's YOUR MONEY.
Don't support Verizon.
The only US carrier to respect Android at all has been T-Mobile, who have added some network apps to their phones, but they are removable (i think) and don't change the actual phone experience. Other than that they've supported vanilla Android and Google search- I will stick with them for Android. AT&T and Verizon would not be able to ruin the iPhone like this because of Apple, Google need to step in and stop this disgrace to the market.
Fence
What Android needs is not a wall but a wooden fence- more positive restriction rather than totalitarianism. Like Android is socialist while Apple is fascist.
This is why it's OUR RESPONSIBILITY to root every Android™ device we come into contact with
To free our Family & Friends from the blood sucking tentacles of evil carriers like AT&T and Verizon!
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This is why it's OUR RESPONSIBILITY to root every Android™ device we come into contact with
To free our Family & Friends from the blood sucking tentacles of evil carriers like AT&T and Verizon!
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Is Sprint evil? lol
What you all should do, its stop buying subsidized of the carrier, even off the carrier at all. Buy off internet, third party or the like. The only way too hurt carriers and show them your not happy its to hurt their wallets
Why whinge about it then go down to carrier and buy a phone? They will keep doing it if people keep buying phones
Rellikzephyr
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RellikZephyr said:
What you all should do, its stop buying subsidized of the carrier, even off the carrier at all. Buy off internet, third party or the like. The only way too hurt carriers and show them your not happy its to hurt their wallets
Why whinge about it then go down to carrier and buy a phone? They will keep doing it if people keep buying phones
Rellikzephyr
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Only one problem with that theory!!! 90% of people buying cell phones dont want to spend 400 or more on a phone..( they want that free or spend as less as possible ) lol But I totally agree with you.. Cause I buy phones off craigslist half the time..
RellikZephyr said:
What you all should do, its stop buying subsidized of the carrier, even off the carrier at all. Buy off internet, third party or the like. The only way too hurt carriers and show them your not happy its to hurt their wallets
Why whinge about it then go down to carrier and buy a phone? They will keep doing it if people keep buying phones
Rellikzephyr
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How does that make sense if you then end up paying for the same data and voice plan? By not buying the carrier phone you are essentially GIVING the carrier $400+ for free!
They offer your $400 as a subsidy for a phone if you use their service ... if you don't take the subsidy but use their service, you only shoot yourself in the foot.
Check out this thread on the topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=781833
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How does that make sense if you then end up paying for the same data and voice plan? By not buying the carrier phone you are essentially GIVING the carrier $400+ for free!
They offer your $400 as a subsidy for a phone if you use their service ... if you don't take the subsidy but use their service, you only shoot yourself in the foot.
Check out this thread on the topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=781833
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Like I pointed out in the forum you referenced, a lot of T-Mobile plans are $10 or $20 more a month if you sign up for a 2 year contract. That means subsidized phones on contract cost an additional $240 to $480 more than just the original outlay... Do the math, and see what works for you...
My wife's phone was subsidized by $270 by T-Mo, so I signed up for the contract to get the $270 saving, then paid the $200 early termination fee (saving $70).
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I have N1 on TMobile. My wife has Droid on Verizon. I love my phone, and I like the fact I don't have any bloat-ware, but the Verizon network is way better. Her phone never drops from 3G (not to mention faster in many cases, her phone can pull up web pages faster than mine in most cases even though my phone is faster) and never drops a call. Verizon has to pay for their infrastructure somehow and trying to lock in unsuspecting customers who don't know they have search choices or other choices and use whatever in the default services provided is one of those ways...
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How does that make sense if you then end up paying for the same data and voice plan? By not buying the carrier phone you are essentially GIVING the carrier $400+ for free!
They offer your $400 as a subsidy for a phone if you use their service ... if you don't take the subsidy but use their service, you only shoot yourself in the foot.
Check out this thread on the topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=781833
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I'm not exactly sure how your plans work in America, I'm Australian. They make their money off us here by charging slightly higher call rates on subsidized phones
But to think that a company whose aim is to make money, will give you a $500 phone absolutely free to you, and a cost to them. Thinking that way doesn't make sense
Rellikzephyr
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http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/03/04/samsung.worried.ipad.2.will.hurt.galaxy.tab.101/
It looks like the announcement of the iPad 2 is making Samsung rethink it's pricing strategy on the Galaxy 10.1. We can only hope that Xoom follows suit.
Would be too late for me! I got it for $600 anyway but i don't think Moto will budge in general. Perhaps with limited time offers.
Also in Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/04/samsung-finds-parts-of-galaxy-tab-10-1-inadequate-compared-to/
Price war has begun
Customer always win at the end when that happen!
Its a nice tab I just dont like Samsungs update policy.
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Its a nice tab I just dont like Samsungs update policy.
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I wonder if they will be better with the updates since the galaxy tab 10.1 is supposedly a Android 3.0 reference device (no touchWiz)
I can care less about anything made by Samsung. They need to rethink its policy on how they treat their customers here in the states it is rediculous that it has taken them so long to come out with froyo and I am fairly certain since they are coming to market with new phones that the galaxy lineup is not going to gingerbread. They get your money and leave you and move to the next. They really need to think a little more and get rid of the horrible touchwiz interface. Bad implememtation of the file system (even my mom and fiance hat that their fascinate lags so much), cheaply made plastic phones, and especiallystill no support for GPS. I don't know what they are doing but they sure as hell aren't supporting the phones they sold this last year. I will never buy anything samsung I know I would be pretty upset if I bought the galaxytab and now the price gets cut numerous times nd is being abandoned left with a phone is.
Even though I don't like Apple, the iPad 2 looks too irresistible, and with those prices Apple is winning this battle for now. The first iPad is now down to $399, and for somebody like me, who mainly wants apps, games, and movies, sounds like a no-brainer. That's the reason why I returned my xoom; lack of apps and games, no option to buy or rent movies, and for $799 plus tax I felt disrespected. Somebody better do something ASAP or else.
And yes! I'm whining!
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Not sure if anyone is interested but the nexus s for at&t, sprint, and t mobile is free today only on 2 year contract at best buy.
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Not sure if anyone is interested but the nexus s for at&t, sprint, and t mobile is free today only on 2 year contract at best buy.
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Also for upgrades, I was really tempted but I rather wait for Nexus 3 or what ever Nokia and MS brings to the table.
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Also for upgrades, I was really tempted but I rather wait for Nexus 3 or what ever Nokia and MS brings to the table.
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I am also really tempted but kinda wanna wait till the Nexus 3 as well. Very tempting though...
Problem I have, is that a new contract costs 20 bucks more a month for the same plan.over 2 years, that's 480 bucks.its only worth it if I can keep the same plan.
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Problem I have, is that a new contract costs 20 bucks more a month for the same plan.over 2 years, that's 480 bucks.its only worth it if I can keep the same plan.
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Heh, this is why I haven't signed a new contract in years. They'd force me to a plan that is $20-$25 a month more expensive (plus they don't even have unlimited data any more. I'm grandfathered in on unlimited). Over the course of a contract, it's cheaper to buy a phone out right then pay the high contract price and get even a completely "free" phone.
yawn..
This is how successful the Nexus S was: now they're giving them away. If it came cheap without a contract, I'd go pick one up. Nope, still rather have my N1.
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yawn..
This is how successful the Nexus S was: now they're giving them away. If it came cheap without a contract, I'd go pick one up. Nope, still rather have my N1.
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Tell you the truth I think the N1 was a flop for Google they wanted to move units like the Iphone and have their own Web store that idea went down the drain. they didn't know how to market the Nexus One to normal consumers after few months they wanted to sell it on mobile stores for people to see and test that never happen. finally it slowly faded away to just be a developer phone, I think this time Google wanted a company like best buy to do the whole process and have exclusivity if Goole would of thought of this we would still see the Nexus One being sold for free etc etc.
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Tell you the truth I think the N1 was a flop for Google they wanted to move units like the Iphone and have their own Web store that idea went down the drain. they didn't know how to market the Nexus One to normal consumers after few months they wanted to sell it on mobile stores for people to see and test that never happen. finally it slowly faded away to just be a developer phone, I think this time Google wanted a company like best buy to do the whole process and have exclusivity if Goole would of thought of this we would still see the Nexus One being sold for free etc etc.
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I think you're exactly right. The experiment that was the N1 was, in essence, a failure. Google may be big, but they don't have the computing experience Apple has. Apple users were already wishing for an iPhone product; but no one was hoping Google would release a phone. But this is what makes the N1 such a gem: it's been a completely underground developer's dream. The NS found itself in an odd place and was really to the N1 as the iPhone 3GS was to the 3G.
Yeah. The Nexus One is unknown to the common folk.
I'll get asked what phone I have and tell them a Nexus One. The response is always, with out fail, "A Nexus what?"
I kind of like having a phone no one else really has though.
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I think you're exactly right. The experiment that was the N1 was, in essence, a failure. Google may be big, but they don't have the computing experience Apple has. Apple users were already wishing for an iPhone product; but no one was hoping Google would release a phone. But this is what makes the N1 such a gem: it's been a completely underground developer's dream. The NS found itself in an odd place and was really to the N1 as the iPhone 3GS was to the 3G.
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Difference between google and apple is google is web base company people don't think of them as a software company for the same reason people had trouble knowing about android until verizon put the Droid stamp on. Googles marketing is too geeky for normal consumers 1ghz what? 2 speakers for noise cancellation what? Apples marketing twice as fast as your 3gs, Better graphics for Gaming, our top of the line speaker for calls period.
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Problem I have, is that a new contract costs 20 bucks more a month for the same plan.over 2 years, that's 480 bucks.its only worth it if I can keep the same plan.
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Yup, the math never works out. If you can actually keep a phone for two years and buy it without a contract you usually break even before two years, at least I did with my N1 although I bought a pair of those off Craig's List for $350 each.
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Yeah. The Nexus One is unknown to the common folk.
I'll get asked what phone I have and tell them a Nexus One. The response is always, with out fail, "A Nexus what?"
I kind of like having a phone no one else really has though.
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When I tell them that I have a Nexus One, they ask "Is that a droid phone?" I have to admit that most of the common folk associate the Motorola Droid commercials with Android phones. Those were pretty cool I must admit, but I'd never go with an NS over my N1. May be the TMo Hercules when it comes out, but nothing else has been enough of a jump in technology to make me move.
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I think you're exactly right. The experiment that was the N1 was, in essence, a failure. Google may be big, but they don't have the computing experience Apple has. Apple users were already wishing for an iPhone product; but no one was hoping Google would release a phone. But this is what makes the N1 such a gem: it's been a completely underground developer's dream. The NS found itself in an odd place and was really to the N1 as the iPhone 3GS was to the 3G.
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I am not sure I completely agree with this. To me, the NS was more of a sidestep than an actual upgrade over the N1. Sure, it had a bit faster processor and more flash, but there was no micro-sdcard slot and no notification led. I think they traded off some important features and put different ones in (and NFC implementation isn't widespread enough for me to consider it a feature just yet). Both phones are great, but I think I would still prefer my N1 over an NS.
And while the original thought behind the N1 and the webstore might've fallen short of what google expected, the N1 itself was considered a success by google (although the webstore was considered a failure). Why? Because they wanted to present to the world what phones could be capable of. 1GHz processors, 512MB of RAM... Essentially, they wanted to kickstart the "superphone" craze, which as you can now tell, was extremely successful. I mean, N1s are over 18 months old, but they still hold their own. Sure there are fancier and faster phones out there, but in a fast-paced enviornment like smartphones, it is pretty impressive that people are still considering buying an 18+ month old phone (and are extremely happy when they get it).
I do think the NS was an attempt at kickstarting the NFC (and to make the phone more retail/consumer friendly vs more of a niche/developer phone that the N1 was). I am hoping the N3 will be another push for new hardware and that it will be a true upgrade (in every sense - I am really hoping for another cardock and trackball) instead of a partial upgrade in some areas, but downgrades in others...
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I am not sure I completely agree with this. To me, the NS was more of a sidestep than an actual upgrade over the N1. Sure, it had a bit faster processor and more flash, but there was no micro-sdcard slot and no notification led. I think they traded off some important features and put different ones in (and NFC implementation isn't widespread enough for me to consider it a feature just yet). Both phones are great, but I think I would still prefer my N1 over an NS.
And while the original thought behind the N1 and the webstore might've fallen short of what google expected, the N1 itself was considered a success by google (although the webstore was considered a failure). Why? Because they wanted to present to the world what phones could be capable of. 1GHz processors, 512MB of RAM... Essentially, they wanted to kickstart the "superphone" craze, which as you can now tell, was extremely successful. I mean, N1s are over 18 months old, but they still hold their own. Sure there are fancier and faster phones out there, but in a fast-paced enviornment like smartphones, it is pretty impressive that people are still considering buying an 18+ month old phone (and are extremely happy when they get it).
I do think the NS was an attempt at kickstarting the NFC (and to make the phone more retail/consumer friendly vs more of a niche/developer phone that the N1 was). I am hoping the N3 will be another push for new hardware and that it will be a true upgrade (in every sense - I am really hoping for another cardock and trackball) instead of a partial upgrade in some areas, but downgrades in others...
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I own both the NS & N1 and I use the NS much more than the N1 for 2 reasons:
1) NS has a much brighter, larger, responsive screen
2) NS has more storage space (I'm aware of simple2ext)
As far as NFC is concerned, sure it's not widespread but that doesn't matter. You can very cheaply purchase your own NFC tags and use this app NFC Task Launcher developed by an XDA member to basically do any function (it has Tasker support). I have a tag setup on my work desk that turns the phones screen off when I set it down. People put them in their cars as well. Very, very handy.
Not having notification LED sucks terribly though and I hope the iPhone 5 has one so Android OEMs will start adding them again..
It all depends on the user. Depending on what you use the phone for they could either be very similar or it could be considered a huge improvement.
I totally agree. Each user is different. My thoughts were my personal opinion. For me, it is necessary to have an sdcard slot so I can have my 32GB micro-sdcard installed (since mine is consistently sitting at 2GB or less freespace). I just wish that the NS was a total upgrade over the N1 rather than a partial one. I am really hoping that the N3 will quench my thirst for a new Nexus device.
I didn't realize all the stuff you can do with the NFC tags, so I will definitely be looking forward to that in a future phone.
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As far as NFC is concerned, sure it's not widespread but that doesn't matter. You can very cheaply purchase your own NFC tags and use this app NFC Task Launcher developed by an XDA member to basically do any function (it has Tasker support). I have a tag setup on my work desk that turns the phones screen off when I set it down. People put them in their cars as well. Very, very handy.
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That is an AWESOME use of NFC. I always thought it was just a gimmick, but the ability to place tags in places like that is pretty cool. Place one in the bosses office so that tasker puts your phone on vibrate when you walk in!
In the Atlanta area, where I live, I can't find a single B&M store that has the G Pad on display. At one of the local Best Buy stores, they had a couple of units in stock, but the batteries weren't charged and they were not on display.
There are only 2 authorized dealers in the US, Best Buy and Newegg. Neither of the two is actively pushing the G Pad.
I have to guess that LG has spent a lot of money developing this product . People are not going to buy a product like this if they can't see it in stores and try it out. Black Friday is little more than a week away and we are moving into the major season for electronics sales. I can't understand why LG is making such a feeble marketing attempt. They seem to be setting themselves up for a massive failure.
I think this product is very good and could be a big winner with good marketing, but the window is closing for LG. They need to get this into B&M stores, get more online vendors, and lower the price.
The only possible explanation that I can think of for the current state of affairs is that LG really is about to produce a Nexus 8 version of the G Pad. In that scenario, they may have made a deal with Google to divert production in that direction. They may also have decided that they can sell more of the devices under the Nexus name and benefit by letting Google pay for the advertising and marketing. This would be a smart move.
Time will tell!
I'm having the same problem here in Charlotte. Out of about 20 stores in the area, only two show as having them in stock and that's only the white model. I visited two different Best Buys last weekend and neither of the associates there had even heard of it.
Just left a BB store. The store employee had never heard of the G Pad. He looked it up and was surprised to find that they had 2 in stock. Of course they were not on display. If the BB employees have never heard of it, how many people in the general public are going to find out about it? This is a massive marketing failure.
this is part of the reason i returned mine. If a company doesn't care enough to market a device, then they sure as hell aren't going to support it. It's sounding more and more like that blue line problem on the screen is a hardware design issue on every unit and with so little attention being given to this device by LG, I'd be shocked if they did anything to resolve the issue in future units (if they even plan on producing more beyond their initial batches).
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In the Atlanta area, where I live, I can't find a single B&M store that has the G Pad on display. At one of the local Best Buy stores, they had a couple of units in stock, but the batteries weren't charged and they were not on display.
There are only 2 authorized dealers in the US, Best Buy and Newegg. Neither of the two is actively pushing the G Pad.
I have to guess that LG has spent a lot of money developing this product . People are not going to buy a product like this if they can't see it in stores and try it out. Black Friday is little more than a week away and we are moving into the major season for electronics sales. I can't understand why LG is making such a feeble marketing attempt. They seem to be setting themselves up for a massive failure.
I think this product is very good and could be a big winner with good marketing, but the window is closing for LG. They need to get this into B&M stores, get more online vendors, and lower the price.
The only possible explanation that I can think of for the current state of affairs is that LG really is about to produce a Nexus 8 version of the G Pad. In that scenario, they may have made a deal with Google to divert production in that direction. They may also have decided that they can sell more of the devices under the Nexus name and benefit by letting Google pay for the advertising and marketing. This would be a smart move.
Time will tell!
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I am in the Atlanta area too and could not find it in the stores. I went to Kennesaw and Alpharetta stores with no luck, let me know if you find one! I'm dying to get my hands on one
I agree they have 5 samsung devices on display (some are repeats of the same device) but no LG? The LG looks SO much better IMO
There is no way we can get it in Canada either. No stores have it in stock online or in store, or have made any mention of ever getting it. Pretty disappointing because I was strongly considering getting it, but wanted to play with it for a few minutes to be sure of my decision.
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this is part of the reason i returned mine. If a company doesn't care enough to market a device, then they sure as hell aren't going to support it. It's sounding more and more like that blue line problem on the screen is a hardware design issue on every unit and with so little attention being given to this device by LG, I'd be shocked if they did anything to resolve the issue in future units (if they even plan on producing more beyond their initial batches).
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The blue line issue doesn't really sound like a big deal to me. My concern is how few of these devices are being sold, at least in the US. I would guess that very few people in the US own one of these, possibly just a few hundred. Based on the inept marketing, the G Pad is shaping up to be an orphaned product.
Right now, I'm deeply disappointed and a little pissed off. I've been watching the developments around the G Pad for a month with plans to buy one.
My strategy now is to wait until either:
A: the G Pad morphs into the Nexus 8 (that would be great)
or
B: They unload however many they have manufactured and start dumping them after the holidays at closeout prices (say $150)
I don't see where else this is going to go.
"LG Restructures Smartphone Division"
I just saw this article about LG "restructuring" it's mobile division to focus more on TVs. This report says that they have dumped 10% of their workforce in the smartphone division. Sounds like LG has decided that phones and tablets are not where they are going to be putting their efforts.
http://www.unwiredview.com/2013/11/20/g-pad-8-3-to-be-released-in-new-markets-before-the-end-of-2013-lg-plans-to-boost-tv-efforts-by-restructuring-its-smartphone-division/
This might be a clue to why they are doing so little with the G Pad.
Finally find a good Android tablet and the OEM jumps ship.
Great.
Maybe I should just buy a freakin' iPad.
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Finally find a good Android tablet and the OEM jumps ship.
Great.
Maybe I should just buy a freakin' iPad.
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That's how I feel. But I'm not stooping to an iPad. Maybe I'll get an N7 and wait for somebody else to make a good 8 inch tablet.
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That's how I feel. But I'm not stooping to an iPad. Maybe I'll get an N7 and wait for somebody else to make a good 8 inch tablet.
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I can't even return mine at this point, and selling it probably wouldn't net much interest. I really like the 8" form factor, though, so the N7 is out of the question.
Looks like no money will be spent for marketing. Although they are making tons off the nexus 4 and 5 and Do not have to spend a dime on marketing since Google will. Seems like the gpad is just extra pocket change for them. And I still want a G2 since they won't be putting much effort into future devices lol.
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Looks like no money will be spent for marketing. Although they are making tons off the nexus 4 and 5 and Do not have to spend a dime on marketing since Google will. Seems like the gpad is just extra pocket change for them. And I still want a G2 since they won't be putting much effort into future devices lol.
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But I've seem plenty of LG G2 commercials on TV. A whole heck of a lot more for it than the HTC One. Btw, you may already know this but Best Buy has a deal where you can save $200 if you buy both the G2 and G-Pad (if you haven't bought the G-Pad yet).
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But I've seem plenty of LG G2 commercials on TV. A whole heck of a lot more for it than the HTC One. Btw, you may already know this but Best Buy has a deal where you can save $200 if you buy both the G2 and G-Pad (if you haven't bought the G-Pad yet).
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I've seen the one about taking action shots only. And didn't know about that promo. But I'm still on contract until November 2014, and mine was paid for by work as I recommended it for some of my duties
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I've seen the one about taking action shots only. And didn't know about that promo. But I'm still on contract until November 2014, and mine was paid for by work as I recommended it for some of my duties
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Yeah that would be the one. I may have to try that at work
honestly even if LG focus will shift I am still interested in this tablet. That article sounded like they are just focusing on TV to get more money for their smartphones so maybe it will be a good thing.
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Looks like no money will be spent for marketing. Although they are making tons off the nexus 4 and 5 and Do not have to spend a dime on marketing since Google will. Seems like the gpad is just extra pocket change for them. And I still want a G2 since they won't be putting much effort into future devices lol.
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I don't think they're making any "extra pocket money" on the Gpad. I would think that they will not even be able to recoup their investment if they don't make some effort to sell more. I would bet that the number sold in the US, so far, must be in the hundreds. No way that can be profitable.
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I don't think they're making any "extra pocket money" on the Gpad. I would think that they will not even be able to recoup their investment if they don't make some effort to sell more. I would bet that the number sold in the US, so far, must be in the hundreds. No way that can be profitable.
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I don't think they're making any "extra pocket money" on the Gpad. I would think that they will not even be able to recoup their investment if they don't make some effort to sell more. I would bet that the number sold in the US, so far, must be in the hundreds. No way that can be profitable.
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They put G Pro internals, bigger battery and better screen and possibly make it in the same assembly line as the G pro and g2 and sell it for $329 to $349 in just the US. There is also Korea. Others sell their no name brand tablets for $100 and still profit.
I'm sure LG is making money off each sale as opposed to needing to sell a certain amount to recoup the cost to make it.
But hey, I don't have any evidence of this lol
I'm surprised so many people are having trouble finding it. Here in St. Louis the BB closest to me had at least 6. When I went to check it out first they had it on display, but when I went back to buy it a few days later it wasn't on display anymore. Also I can sort of understand only selling in BB if LG wasn't expecting to sell a ton as it would have the best chance for exposure, however that only works if it's on display.
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The lack of G Pad in Best Buy is all Best Buy. LG wants it on display side by side the G2 but Best Buy has been lacking in displaying the Tablet.
LG isn't leaving the Smartphone/Tablet market, rather they are going to focus on a streamlined product line, no flooding the market with 10 variations of high and low end devices like Samsung. You might instead see LG come out with 3-4 handsets for the entire year.