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http://theandroidsite.com/2010/12/1...r-on-the-market-according-to-glbenchmark-2-0/
Thought this was pretty cool information
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The real world performance of the Hummingbird is superior to all other ARM Cortex A8 processors I have found. Of course, that won't remain that way when CPUs like the Tegra 250 start coming onto phones like the LG Optimus 2x.
Yea the Tegra chipset will blow everything out of the water . I do like the Hummingbird processor though
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The real world performance of the Hummingbird is superior to all other ARM Cortex A8 processors I have found. Of course, that won't remain that way when CPUs like the Tegra 250 start coming onto phones like the LG Optimus 2x.
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No, that will remain even after Tegra 2 comes out..simply because Tegra 2 is Cortex A9 lol
Its no surprise the Hummingbird is the fastest processor...originally the TI OMAP held the crown of pushing the Cortex A8 to its max..Samsung with TI OMAP in mind went a step farther to try to create something even better (despite many telling them its not possible)..and with hep of Intrisity the Hummingbird was made which pushes Cortex A8 beyond its limits..
The Hummingbird is the king of 2010..and it was made it 2009..it is only fitting that next year in 2011 a better processor comes out, and then a better one in 2012 and so on...
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No, that will remain even after Tegra 2 comes out..simply because Tegra 2 is Cortex A9 lol
Its no surprise the Hummingbird is the fastest processor...originally the TI OMAP held the crown of pushing the Cortex A8 to its max..Samsung with TI OMAP in mind went a step farther to try to create something even better (despite many telling them its not possible)..and with hep of Intrisity the Hummingbird was made which pushes Cortex A8 beyond its limits..
The Hummingbird is the king of 2010..and it was made it 2009..it is only fitting that next year in 2011 a better processor comes out, and then a better one in 2012 and so on...
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Hah, you guys sound like you've read my article. Or maybe I'm just flattering myself.
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125
Anyhow, there's one major problem with the article linked by the OP; that test is soley a GPU test, not CPU. The PowerVR SGX540 is, without doubt, the fastest GPU on the market today.
The Hummingbird does just barely edge past Snapdragon MHz to MHz in side-by-side processing tests, though any 1.x GHz OMAP / Snapdragon does have the 1 GHz Hummingbird beat (except when it comes to GPU performance, obviously.)
Where the Hummingbird starts to lose out MHz for MHz is in Android 2.3 where the JIT compiler was optimized for Snapdragon (and I assume OMAP) processors. Hopefully we'll see this change and Google work some better Hummingbird support into Android with the release of the Nexus S; now the flagship "Google Phone".
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Hah, you guys sound like you've read my article. Or maybe I'm just flattering myself.
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125
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I actually researched this info back before CTIA when the Hummingbird was first announced...but I do remember stumbling upon your article here and there.
Anyhow, there's one major problem with the article linked by the OP; that test is soley a GPU test, not CPU. The PowerVR SGX540 is, without doubt, the fastest GPU on the market today.
The Hummingbird does just barely edge past Snapdragon MHz to MHz in side-by-side processing tests, though any 1.x GHz OMAP / Snapdragon does have the 1 GHz Hummingbird beat (except when it comes to GPU performance, obviously.)
Where the Hummingbird starts to lose out MHz for MHz is in Android 2.3 where the JIT compiler was optimized for Snapdragon (and I assume OMAP) processors. Hopefully we'll see this change and Google work some better Hummingbird support into Android with the release of the Nexus S; now the flagship "Google Phone".
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Even with 2.3 optimizations I do not think an old 1st gen 65nm Snapdragon will outperform a Hummingbird mhz for mhz..the newer 2nd gen ones are another story.
But yeah, optimizations from the Nexus S would be sweet..while I was hoping for an Orion CPU, I am quite happy they chose the same CPU as ours, this will help development a lot...
Many people have said that SE should have put a Tegra 2 dual core chip inside the Xperia Play instead of the Snapdragon with Adreno 205.
In the real world the Adreno 205 was a much better choice for complex game effects and battery life.
This is a heavy read but there are plenty of charts & pictures that tell a fairer story from a Game Developers point of view.
http://blogs.unity3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/FastMobileShaders_siggraph2011.pdf
Here's hoping Tegra 3 is a much better effort.
First of all Tegra II is not a GPU. It's a CPU. So a more valid comparison would be snapdragon V's tegra II or Adreno V's GEforce.
Adreno 200 really was a poor GPU and qualcomm made a mess when they purchased the Adreno project off ATI. Although i think were all agreed that the jump from adreno 200 to adreno 205 was massive.
Adreno 205 is easly on par with the GPU in any single core CPU. I dont quite think it is a match for the 8 core ULV GPU inside the tegra II.
And imo NVIDA has proven with some of the tegra II games that the mobile version of GEforce inside there CPU is in a league of it's own compared to our GPU. Although i think Adreno 220 is on par with the Tegra II GPU. The soon to be released quad core tegra III CPU comes with such an awesome GPU it will be hard to beat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI-guAGGK3s
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First of all Tegra II is not a GPU. It's a CPU. So a more valid comparison would be snapdragon V's tegra II or Adreno V's GEforce.
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I think I tried to say that in the post the header could have been a bit clearer.
Adreno 200 really was a poor GPU and qualcomm made a mess when they purchased the Adreno project off ATI. Although i think were all agreed that the jump from adreno 200 to adreno 205 was massive.
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Agree I have tried rudimentary GPU benchmarking on all my phones, the Xperia Play would have been severly weakened if it went ahead with using a Adreno 200 based SOC.
Adreno 205 is easly on par with the GPU in any single core CPU. I dont quite think it is a match for the 8 core ULV GPU inside the tegra II.
And imo NVIDA has proven with some of the tegra II games that the mobile version of GEforce inside there CPU is in a league of it's own compared to our GPU. Although i think Adreno 220 is on par with the Tegra II GPU. The soon to be released quad core tegra III CPU comes with such an awesome GPU it will be hard to beat
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I also thought the NVIDA GPU chip would be much better, but after reading the PDF I don't think it is. It looks like to get the best from the NVIDA GPU you have to use the CPU's much more than the Adreno 205 which will hit battery life. Also the Adreno looks like it has some hidden tricks that help in more complex scenes.
Give the PDF a read.
From the (very little, it is a really technical paper) content I can extract, it seems that the Nvidia Tegra devices follow a "classic approach" and load many more things on the CPU, while the Adreno and PowerVR (aka Apple's chip) follow a "smarter" approach, reducing the CPU load and loading the GPU, plus using tricks.
I'd say that, if that is correct, that it comes from the legacy of Nvidia as a desktop pc GPU maker, and that it makes sense that Nvidia is betting on getting multi-core devices out ASAP, for their approach is much more CPU-taxing and multiple cores allow to reduce CPU stress.
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I think I tried to say that in the post the header could have been a bit clearer.
Agree I have tried rudimentary GPU benchmarking on all my phones, the Xperia Play would have been severly weakened if it went ahead with using a Adreno 200 based SOC.
I also thought the NVIDA GPU chip would be much better, but after reading the PDF I don't think it is. It looks like to get the best from the NVIDA GPU you have to use the CPU's much more than the Adreno 205 which will hit battery life. Also the Adreno looks like it has some hidden tricks that help in more complex scenes.
Give the PDF a read.
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I did look at the .pdf. But to be honest, it's a little over my head lol
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Interesting results for the Adreno 205.
Shader Performance
•Normalized to iPad2 resolution
•From single color:
• 1.4ms iPad2
• 3.5ms XperiaPlay
• 3.8ms Tegra2
• 14.3ms iPhone3Gs
•To fully per-pixel bump spec:
• 19.3ms iPad2
• 18.4ms XperiaPlay
• 47.7ms Tegra2
• 122.4ms iPhone3Gs
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Interesting results for the Adreno 205.
Shader Performance
•Normalized to iPad2 resolution
•From single color:
• 1.4ms iPad2
• 3.5ms XperiaPlay
• 3.8ms Tegra2
• 14.3ms iPhone3Gs
•To fully per-pixel bump spec:
• 19.3ms iPad2
• 18.4ms XperiaPlay
• 47.7ms Tegra2
• 122.4ms
Hmmmmmmm
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AndroHero said:
The soon to be released quad core tegra III CPU comes with such an awesome GPU it will be hard to beat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI-guAGGK3s
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Holy cr*p that looks amazing!
When is the Tegra 3 and Adreno 220 coming out? which will be the best? tablet only or on phones too?
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Holy cr*p that looks amazing!
When is the Tegra 3 and Adreno 220 coming out? which will be the best? tablet only or on phones too?
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Adreno 220 is already out with the dual core qualcomm chips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehfyxvh2W4k&feature=related
Although the game in the demo is desert winds, an xperia play (adreno 205) exclusive
Comparing dual core Qualcomm chips to the Tegra is like comparing our current chip to the Samsung hummingbird.
The former is more widely supported, and better optimized. Whereas the latter is not well supported, and although it's supposed to be better on paper, it's real life performance isn't as good.
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From the (very little, it is a really technical paper) content I can extract, it seems that the Nvidia Tegra devices follow a "classic approach" and load many more things on the CPU, while the Adreno and PowerVR (aka Apple's chip) follow a "smarter" approach, reducing the CPU load and loading the GPU, plus using tricks.
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Thats the impression I got.
I'd say that, if that is correct, that it comes from the legacy of Nvidia as a desktop pc GPU maker, and that it makes sense that Nvidia is betting on getting multi-core devices out ASAP, for their approach is much more CPU-taxing and multiple cores allow to reduce CPU stress.
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Desktop and handheld are vastly different in power & heat requirements, NVidia were probably rushing their dual core SOC's to market the lack of NEON in initial shipments and poor GPU's seems to confirms this.
hey folks. Samsung is going back to power vr as the graphics force to power its next gen soc(A15 socs??). With HD super-amoled plus and power vr 6xx(not too sure if its 6xx or 5xx) series to power them,it will definitely be another great year for Samsung and android. I personally can't wait.
what do you guys think?
a similar soc is ST-Ericsson Nova A9600 which is also an A15 with power vr 6 serires gpu read here for discussion on this NOVA
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hey folks. Samsung is going back to power vr as the graphics force to power its next gen soc(A15 socs??). With HD super-amoled plus and power vr 6xx(not too sure if its 6xx or 5xx) series to power them,it will definitely be another great year for Samsung and android. I personally can't wait.
what do you guys think?
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Where did ya get this from? I thought it was reported that it would be Cortex A15 + Mali T604?
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Where did ya get this from? I thought it was reported that it would be Cortex A15 + Mali T604?
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i have the evidence.I'll be more than happy to share it to a mod but wont release for general public.(for obvious reasons)
Source please?
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awesome-member said:
i have the evidence.I'll be more than happy to share it to a mod but wont release for general public.(for obvious reasons)
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Well ok... Personally I don't care either way, I just hope they go for whatever has the best performance/power consumption ratio.
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Source please?
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I assure its legit. and it specifically says Samsung are moving away form mail.
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Well ok... Personally I don't care either way, I just hope they go for whatever has the best performance/power consumption ratio.
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dont care !!! remember when sgs2 was first launched how many games/apps were incompatible. significant amount of app that i'd bought while i had sgs were not working on my sgs2 things are getting better now. but using the similar gpu found in ios devices and psvita does make a difference and I as a consumer will have more option and it's not just limited to games but to all other apps that uses open gl.
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I assure its legit. and it specifically says Samsung are moving away form mail.
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It makes sense, I recently read news that Samsung licensed some PowerVR GPUs.
But I do hope it's a SGX 6XX, anything else would be a disappointment (for me).
I also hope that it's going to be a dual-core (1.6GHz) Cortex A15, if it is it will be way faster than a quadcore Cortex A9 especially when you consider that applications are only starting to support dual-cores right now.
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It makes sense, I recently read news that Samsung licensed some PowerVR GPUs.
But I do hope it's a SGX 6XX, anything else would be a disappointment (for me).
I also hope that it's going to be a dual-core (1.6GHz) Cortex A15, if it is it will be way faster than a quadcore Cortex A9 especially when you consider that applications are only starting to support dual-cores right now.
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we might still see newer quad A9 with mali but by late 2012 we should expect Samsung coming out with A15 with power vr. since A6(for ipad3) is widely rumored to be A15 and we all know who makes A5 for apple.we should see the Samsung version of A15 in 2012.
also if you remember the exynos/orion which was delayed and it was reported(not officially though) that the reason was 'problems with it graphics unit'.
i like powerVR more then mali
Any mods that can confirm the information?
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I'd prefer if it was a power vr 6x. Easier support from developers due to iphones using power vr also.
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hey folks. Samsung is going back to power vr as the graphics force to power its next gen soc(A15 socs??). With HD super-amoled plus and power vr 6xx(not too sure if its 6xx or 5xx) series to power them,it will definitely be another great year for Samsung and android. I personally can't wait.
what do you guys think?
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I'm indifferent either way. The Mali 400 in my S2 can keep up with all the games and I'm not seeing a trend towards better quality graphics simply because the screens on our devices do not support it, this might change with ICS and the 720p screen on the Galaxy Nexus.
For the future it's wait and see. Usually better graphics means more power consumption and that's a trade-off I'm not willing to make.
They've opted for both the next gen of PowerVR and Mali chips, so it could be either.
OP is not wrong, but he is not right either.
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I'm indifferent either way. The Mali 400 in my S2 can keep up with all the games and I'm not seeing a trend towards better quality graphics simply because the screens on our devices do not support it, this might change with ICS and the 720p screen on the Galaxy Nexus.
For the future it's wait and see. Usually better graphics means more power consumption and that's a trade-off I'm not willing to make.
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I'm personally hoping for a usable NDS or PSP emulator in 2012.
power consumption should be fine considering that 45 SiO2 > 32/28 nm hkmg is a huge jump.
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They've opted for both the next gen of PowerVR and Mali chips, so it could be either.
OP is not wrong, but he is not right either.
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i am aware that samsung is the licensee of both mali and power vr but the source specifically says that they are 'moving away from mali'. we may see few versions of exynos with mali powering some of the future devices but their flagship devices will have power VR.
WTF guys this is exclusive news to XDA and you rate it 2 stars. Just because you are not getting the news from engadget?? there were news about samsung being the licensee of both powervr and mali but i have never seen a report that says which way the samsung was heading in terms of graphics wise.
At best, this is an unsubstantiated rumour. We'll know more about Samsung's SoC plans when they unveil the Galaxy S III at MWC.
tbqh, your news hardly seems reliable, and even if it was doesn't really matter. Samsung have used PowerVR for many of their SoCs, and Mali 400 for only the Exynos 4210
Samsung has announced and is sampling two newer SOCs; Exynos 4212 and Exynos 5250.
Exynos 4210 - dual-core Cortex A9 @ 1.2ghz, Mali 400 MP4 GPU, 45nm process.
Exynos 4212 - dual-core Cortex A9 @ 1.5ghz, Mali 400 MP4 GPU, 32nm process. (GPU Speculated, not officially disclosed)
Exynos 5250 - dual-core Cortex A15 @ 2.0ghz, Mali T604 GPU, 32nm process.(GPU Speculated, not officially disclosed)
Here's the thing about sampling/testing. SOCs typically have to be sampled for 6 months (or more) before they show up in phones. 4212 started sampling in September/October and 5250 started sampling in November. That means that both should be available for the typical Galaxy S launch window (my bet is on 5250).
If Samsung does go back to PowerVR, by the time they start sampling this SOC they would have already missed the Galaxy SIII launch window. So, I find this unsourced information interesting but highly unlikely at this point. Once you can reveal your source(s) we'll be able to judge this more accurately. I appreciate the info and respect your need to conceal your source(s) at this time.
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Samsung has announced and is sampling two newer SOCs; Exynos 4212 and Exynos 5250.
Exynos 4210 - dual-core Cortex A9 @ 1.2ghz, Mali 400 MP GPU, 45nm process.
Exynos 4212 - dual-core Cortex A9 @ 1.5ghz, Mali 400 MP GPU, 32nm process.
Exynos 5250 - dual-core Cortex A15 @ 2.0ghz, Mali T604 GPU, 32nm process.
Here's the thing about sampling/testing. SOCs typically have to be sampled for 6 months (or more) before they show up in phones. 4212 started sampling in September/October and 5250 started sampling in November. That means that both should be available for the typical Galaxy S launch window (my bet is on 5250).
If Samsung does go back to PowerVR, by the time they start sampling this SOC they would have already missed the Galaxy SIII launch window. So, I find this unsourced information interesting but highly unlikely at this point. Once you can reveal your source(s) we'll be able to judge this more accurately. I appreciate the info and respect your need to conceal your source(s) at this time.
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I agree with your post.it is highly likely that sgs 3 will sport a Exynos 5250. but with in next year I think wee will see high res 3D tablet since samsung is also a TV manufacturer(we all know that 3d TV is the TV for 2012 /s) and it makes sense to lure more people in to 3D (3D ecosystem???).to achieve such graphical horsepower Power VR 6 is the only option they have. my bet is we will see highres 3d tablet by q4 of 2012 sporting an soc with power vr 6xxxx
Hey guys,
Thanks for lending me your time towards my question...
As we know,
Nexus 4 has an Adreno 320 single - core GPU and Snapdragon S4 Pro SoC
My question is..
Is the Adreno 320 capable enough to run future graphics - hungry games?
And tegra 3 possessing a 12+1 core GPU, is Adreno 320 better than this?
Regards....
Adreno 320 is about 250% better in tests than Tegra 3.
Shreyas Iyer said:
Hey guys,
Thanks for lending me your time towards my question...
As we know,
Nexus 4 has an Adreno 320 single - core GPU and Snapdragon S4 Pro SoC
My question is..
Is the Adreno 320 capable enough to run future graphics - hungry games?
And tegra 3 possessing a 12+1 core GPU, is Adreno 320 better than this?
Regards....
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Haha, Tegra 3. The Tegra 3 is by far the worst quad core chipset available in popular devices, my friend's One X lags even when playing Super Hexagon. The N4 has been able to run every game that I've thrown at it so far smoothly so I don't see why it shouldn't be able to in the future. Even the newer One and US GS4 use the 320 so it's clearly a great GPU.
Simple question, I purchased a Moto G GPE and its on its way but i have the curiosity about how the SOC Snapdragon 400 Cuad Core compares to something like the S4 Pro that was in the Nexus 4 which ran great. I know its a newer chip but i havent found any real evidence whether the architecture is superior or inferior to the S4 Pro since it was a flagship chip but the 400 is budget. Anyone has any insight on this? Thanks.
best way to compare the two.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
mike21pr said:
Simple question, I purchased a Moto G GPE and its on its way but i have the curiosity about how the SOC Snapdragon 400 Cuad Core compares to something like the S4 Pro that was in the Nexus 4 which ran great. I know its a newer chip but i havent found any real evidence whether the architecture is superior or inferior to the S4 Pro since it was a flagship chip but the 400 is budget. Anyone has any insight on this? Thanks.
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Snapdragon 400 is positioned more like S4 Plus, not Pro. As in marketing positioning.
Speaking in technical terms however, those two SoCs have a completely differnet architecture. S4 Plus always has Krait cores, while our S400 has Cortex-A7 cores, which is generally somewhat slower than Krait, partially because Krait is an Out-of-Order architecture, while Cortex-A7 is In-Order.
In terms of cores S4 Plus always had two cores (up to 1,5 GHz), while our S400 has four cores @ 1,2 GHz.
Now go figure what´s faster. I´d personally prefer two Kraits
Note: Qualcom had really messed up the naming in S400 series as the chips can contain either two Krait cores or four Cortex-A7 cores. Don´t get me wrong, Cortex-A7 is a great architecture , mostly because its performance/power consumption ratio, but the SoCs containg those cores should have been labeled as Snapdragon 350 or something like that.