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Which is the better GPU and why ?
I'm not sure of the technical reasons why, maybe people are just going off benchmarks, but the general consensus is that Adreno 220 has better gaming performance.
However, unless you are planning some hardcore gaming; Mali-400 MP or GeForce ULP will be just fine.
MALI-400 MP is imo a faster GPU but it really lacks stuff needed to be a good GPU. Also on the low level some of the major 3d scores are even lower than Adreno 205. So the quality here sucks. It misses many compression texture formats so low compatibility. Most games will come up with a solution for that but with time and that time could really end the life cycle of the gs2. Mali 400 is slower than adreno 205 in Geometric Tests, Common Tests, Exponential Tests. Adreno 220 will be a slightly slower GPU in synthetic tests but with more compatibility, better quality from the lower level, more texture compression formats and will be compatible with all games since start as adreno gpu games are already abundant in the market. So its more like a Samung delivered the fastest GPU with major flaws. Here Adreno 220 is like ATI and Nvidia and Mali-400 is like any other generic GPU from another company. And Galaxy S 2 coming in tegra 2 would really mess up the compatibility of Mali-400 seeing that Mali will be missing the number of devices so Mali - 400 could be a left out here.
Right now the game here is a Faster GPU (by a small margin) vs a more Compatible GPU. Better - if u can wait with no definite future mali and if u want everything now and in future its adreno
With CF working on compat I wouldnt be surprised if we're all playing Tegra Zone next month.
bilboa1 said:
With CF working on compat I wouldnt be surprised if we're all playing Tegra Zone next month.
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I agree. (10char)
Samsung's Galaxy S II Preliminary Performance: Mali-400MP Benchmarked 1Ghz Mali 400
Dual Core Snapdragon GPU Performance Explored - 1.5 GHz MSM8660 and Adreno 220 Benchmarks 1.5Ghz Adreno 220
Should give you a rough idea of what to expect.
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Samsung's Galaxy S II Preliminary Performance: Mali-400MP Benchmarked 1Ghz Mali 400
Dual Core Snapdragon GPU Performance Explored - 1.5 GHz MSM8660 and Adreno 220 Benchmarks 1.5Ghz Adreno 220
Should give you a rough idea of what to expect.
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No, it's not even close.
My Galaxy S II scores 42.2 fps in the same benchmark, Adreno scores an impressive 38 fps but this is with the CPU at 1.5GHz.
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Samsung's Galaxy S II Preliminary Performance: Mali-400MP Benchmarked 1Ghz Mali 400
Dual Core Snapdragon GPU Performance Explored - 1.5 GHz MSM8660 and Adreno 220 Benchmarks 1.5Ghz Adreno 220
Should give you a rough idea of what to expect.
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No, this one is not accurate.
Just look at the firmware, SGS2 was running Android2.3.1 at the time, it was not a retail device.
Retail SGS2 outperforms anything currently in GLbench.
"Originally Posted by iwantandroid
I cried when I lerned this phone i got from tmobile didnt have Android. Can sum1 help me get Android on my new G1 and then tel me how to jailbroke it please"
LOL OMG
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Samsung's Galaxy S II Preliminary Performance: Mali-400MP Benchmarked 1Ghz Mali 400
Dual Core Snapdragon GPU Performance Explored - 1.5 GHz MSM8660 and Adreno 220 Benchmarks 1.5Ghz Adreno 220
Should give you a rough idea of what to expect.
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these tests are kinda misleading, between non-final device/software and capped framerate
i'm a bit disappointed that it comes from anandtech since they usually try to have stuff all squared out on PCs ;-)
lol, you guys are very defensive about your phones, understandably.
What you should be able to ascertain though is that the 1Ghz Mali benchmarks are decent and you can expect better performance with it clocked at 1.2Ghz.
Conversely you should be able to see that the Adreno at 1.5Ghz, though impressive, will be less so clocked at 1Ghz like in the Sensation, which will also have a higher resolution screen.
I only provided the links so that people could make up their own mind by using the same logic.
Are you sure the Mali-400 is clocked at 1.2Ghz ?
Because when I overclocked my SGS2 to 1.5Ghz I saw a 25% performance increase in computing performance, but almost no increase at all in graphics performance (using GL Benchmark), so I thought the frequencies of the two were totally unrelated.
I dont know what the clock speeds of the GPU are, but CPU speed bumps will also help with 3D performance.
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I dont know what the clock speeds of the GOP are, but CPU speed bumps will also help with 3D performance.
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Well in my case it did not. I guess a dual core 1.2Ghz CPU is not a bottleneck on a smartphone lol.
Ive heard there are FPS caps on the Galaxy line, not sure how true this is, usually benchmarks should see an increase when handsets are overclocked.
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Ive heard there are FPS caps on the Galaxy line, not sure how true this is, usually benchmarks should see an increase when handsets are overclocked.
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its true for the sgs1 and 2 at least, frame rate is capped between 56 and 66 fps depending on kernels/versions etc
many benchmarks hit the cap (like quadrant)
Many people have said that SE should have put a Tegra 2 dual core chip inside the Xperia Play instead of the Snapdragon with Adreno 205.
In the real world the Adreno 205 was a much better choice for complex game effects and battery life.
This is a heavy read but there are plenty of charts & pictures that tell a fairer story from a Game Developers point of view.
http://blogs.unity3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/FastMobileShaders_siggraph2011.pdf
Here's hoping Tegra 3 is a much better effort.
First of all Tegra II is not a GPU. It's a CPU. So a more valid comparison would be snapdragon V's tegra II or Adreno V's GEforce.
Adreno 200 really was a poor GPU and qualcomm made a mess when they purchased the Adreno project off ATI. Although i think were all agreed that the jump from adreno 200 to adreno 205 was massive.
Adreno 205 is easly on par with the GPU in any single core CPU. I dont quite think it is a match for the 8 core ULV GPU inside the tegra II.
And imo NVIDA has proven with some of the tegra II games that the mobile version of GEforce inside there CPU is in a league of it's own compared to our GPU. Although i think Adreno 220 is on par with the Tegra II GPU. The soon to be released quad core tegra III CPU comes with such an awesome GPU it will be hard to beat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI-guAGGK3s
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First of all Tegra II is not a GPU. It's a CPU. So a more valid comparison would be snapdragon V's tegra II or Adreno V's GEforce.
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I think I tried to say that in the post the header could have been a bit clearer.
Adreno 200 really was a poor GPU and qualcomm made a mess when they purchased the Adreno project off ATI. Although i think were all agreed that the jump from adreno 200 to adreno 205 was massive.
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Agree I have tried rudimentary GPU benchmarking on all my phones, the Xperia Play would have been severly weakened if it went ahead with using a Adreno 200 based SOC.
Adreno 205 is easly on par with the GPU in any single core CPU. I dont quite think it is a match for the 8 core ULV GPU inside the tegra II.
And imo NVIDA has proven with some of the tegra II games that the mobile version of GEforce inside there CPU is in a league of it's own compared to our GPU. Although i think Adreno 220 is on par with the Tegra II GPU. The soon to be released quad core tegra III CPU comes with such an awesome GPU it will be hard to beat
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I also thought the NVIDA GPU chip would be much better, but after reading the PDF I don't think it is. It looks like to get the best from the NVIDA GPU you have to use the CPU's much more than the Adreno 205 which will hit battery life. Also the Adreno looks like it has some hidden tricks that help in more complex scenes.
Give the PDF a read.
From the (very little, it is a really technical paper) content I can extract, it seems that the Nvidia Tegra devices follow a "classic approach" and load many more things on the CPU, while the Adreno and PowerVR (aka Apple's chip) follow a "smarter" approach, reducing the CPU load and loading the GPU, plus using tricks.
I'd say that, if that is correct, that it comes from the legacy of Nvidia as a desktop pc GPU maker, and that it makes sense that Nvidia is betting on getting multi-core devices out ASAP, for their approach is much more CPU-taxing and multiple cores allow to reduce CPU stress.
Techdread said:
I think I tried to say that in the post the header could have been a bit clearer.
Agree I have tried rudimentary GPU benchmarking on all my phones, the Xperia Play would have been severly weakened if it went ahead with using a Adreno 200 based SOC.
I also thought the NVIDA GPU chip would be much better, but after reading the PDF I don't think it is. It looks like to get the best from the NVIDA GPU you have to use the CPU's much more than the Adreno 205 which will hit battery life. Also the Adreno looks like it has some hidden tricks that help in more complex scenes.
Give the PDF a read.
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I did look at the .pdf. But to be honest, it's a little over my head lol
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Interesting results for the Adreno 205.
Shader Performance
•Normalized to iPad2 resolution
•From single color:
• 1.4ms iPad2
• 3.5ms XperiaPlay
• 3.8ms Tegra2
• 14.3ms iPhone3Gs
•To fully per-pixel bump spec:
• 19.3ms iPad2
• 18.4ms XperiaPlay
• 47.7ms Tegra2
• 122.4ms iPhone3Gs
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Interesting results for the Adreno 205.
Shader Performance
•Normalized to iPad2 resolution
•From single color:
• 1.4ms iPad2
• 3.5ms XperiaPlay
• 3.8ms Tegra2
• 14.3ms iPhone3Gs
•To fully per-pixel bump spec:
• 19.3ms iPad2
• 18.4ms XperiaPlay
• 47.7ms Tegra2
• 122.4ms
Hmmmmmmm
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AndroHero said:
The soon to be released quad core tegra III CPU comes with such an awesome GPU it will be hard to beat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI-guAGGK3s
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Holy cr*p that looks amazing!
When is the Tegra 3 and Adreno 220 coming out? which will be the best? tablet only or on phones too?
FK1983 said:
Holy cr*p that looks amazing!
When is the Tegra 3 and Adreno 220 coming out? which will be the best? tablet only or on phones too?
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Adreno 220 is already out with the dual core qualcomm chips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehfyxvh2W4k&feature=related
Although the game in the demo is desert winds, an xperia play (adreno 205) exclusive
Comparing dual core Qualcomm chips to the Tegra is like comparing our current chip to the Samsung hummingbird.
The former is more widely supported, and better optimized. Whereas the latter is not well supported, and although it's supposed to be better on paper, it's real life performance isn't as good.
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From the (very little, it is a really technical paper) content I can extract, it seems that the Nvidia Tegra devices follow a "classic approach" and load many more things on the CPU, while the Adreno and PowerVR (aka Apple's chip) follow a "smarter" approach, reducing the CPU load and loading the GPU, plus using tricks.
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Thats the impression I got.
I'd say that, if that is correct, that it comes from the legacy of Nvidia as a desktop pc GPU maker, and that it makes sense that Nvidia is betting on getting multi-core devices out ASAP, for their approach is much more CPU-taxing and multiple cores allow to reduce CPU stress.
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Desktop and handheld are vastly different in power & heat requirements, NVidia were probably rushing their dual core SOC's to market the lack of NEON in initial shipments and poor GPU's seems to confirms this.
The hummingbird chipset always use to beat the snapdragon S2 chipset in 3D graphics performance. In short the powerVR SGX 540 was considered significantly better than the adreno 205.
But I have seen phones with the S2 chipset which just run games better than nexus S. Even the sony phones with 512MB ram manage to run GTA3 and temple run totally smooth without any mods or hacks just all stock. Whereas nexus S cant without doing all sorts of tweaking.
I suppose game devs dont support the hummingbird chipset well which is really surprising given how well the galaxy S performed in the market. Maybe samsung should actively work with devs? What is the point of creating the fastest GPU's if they dont get the support? There are some very graphically intensive games that run smoothly like asphalt 6 and 9mm HD so obviously the hardware is there.
I am disappoint with nexus S gaming support.
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The hummingbird chipset always use to beat the snapdragon S2 chipset in 3D graphics performance. In short the powerVR SGX 540 was considered significantly better than the adreno 205.
But I have seen phones with the S2 chipset which just run games better than nexus S. Even the sony phones with 512MB ram manage to run GTA3 and temple run totally smooth without any mods or hacks just all stock. Whereas nexus S cant without doing all sorts of tweaking.
I suppose game devs dont support the hummingbird chipset well which is really surprising given how well the galaxy S performed in the market. Maybe samsung should actively work with devs? What is the point of creating the fastest GPU's if they dont get the support? There are some very graphically intensive games that run smoothly like asphalt 6 and 9mm HD so obviously the hardware is there.
I am disappoint with nexus S gaming support.
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I most certainly agree with you. however, you must realise, the Nexus S is considered to be a developer's device, not a consumer device, designed for coding and easy hacking, not UX. if you want a consumer device, go look somewhere else.
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The hummingbird chipset always use to beat the snapdragon S2 chipset in 3D graphics performance. In short the powerVR SGX 540 was considered significantly better than the adreno 205.
But I have seen phones with the S2 chipset which just run games better than nexus S. Even the sony phones with 512MB ram manage to run GTA3 and temple run totally smooth without any mods or hacks just all stock. Whereas nexus S cant without doing all sorts of tweaking.
I suppose game devs dont support the hummingbird chipset well which is really surprising given how well the galaxy S performed in the market. Maybe samsung should actively work with devs? What is the point of creating the fastest GPU's if they dont get the support? There are some very graphically intensive games that run smoothly like asphalt 6 and 9mm HD so obviously the hardware is there.
I am disappoint with nexus S gaming support.
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International s2 have exynoss processor that's even better on gnex cpu.. exynoss processor for me is the best.
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International s2 have exynoss processor that's even better on gnex cpu.. exynoss processor for me is the best.
Sent from my Nexus S®
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Gnex have TI OMAP 4460 CPU processor...
how it is compare to exynos SGSII???
For GPU many said that Mali-400MP SGSII is better than PowerVR SGX540 Gnex..
they said..I just have I9100T but dont have Gnex..So I cant compare..not a single of my friend use Gnex also..
Saw youtube videos where galaxy nexus was lagging in GTA 3 lol. Galaxy nexus isnt a weak phone, it's just not adequately armed for the massive 720p resolution. The galaxy S2 has WVGA resolution which is why it can still match pretty much any of the newer phones in 3D benchmarks. Having a lower resolution is a serious advantage for gaming smoothness. And that makes the case of the nexus S a bit more disappointing as it doesnt exactly have very high resolution even for its time.
For a real comparison I would suppose it would be better to compare S2 with sensation. The S2 beats it handily in benchmarks so it would be interesting to see if it translates to real world performance advantage.
As far as UI smoothness is concerned the nexus S is right among the smoothest single core phones I have used. The hardware is clearly very capable just that game support from devs seem to be lacking maybe because the snapdragon S2 is used in so many phones whereas the hummingbird is only used in 2 phones.
I think the OP is talking about the Quallcomm Snapdragon S2 chipset but not about the Galaxy S2 (Adreno 205 vs PowerVR 540SGX NOT Mali-400MP vs PowerVR 540SGX).
You took the discussion to the wrong side, i think...
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I think the OP is talking about the Quallcomm Snapdragon S2 chipset but not about the Galaxy S2 (Adreno 205 vs PowerVR 540SGX NOT Mali-400MP vs PowerVR 540SGX).
You took the discussion to the wrong side, i think...
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Haha well I just figured why the S2 and galaxy nexus were brought in the equation.
I wish we had real gaming benchmarks instead of synthetic. Yes I was comparing nexus S GPU with adreno 205.
I came across this today...
http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?D=Samsung+Arndale+Board&benchmark=glpro25
Looks like a winner to me!
In comparison to iphone 5 which also uses A15 cores and a triple core powervr gpu
http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?D=Apple+iPhone+5&benchmark=glpro25
and the Lg Optimus G which has kinda like A15 architecture plus an adreno 320 gpu,
http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?D=LG+E970&benchmark=glpro25,
the samsung dev board with the dual A15 [email protected] and the all new Mali-T604 gpu beats both of them holding the highest score so far!
Way to go sammy!
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Full dev board specs here:
http://www.arndaleboard.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
so s4 has powervr sgx 544 has anyone experience lag on high end games ex vice city gta 3 mc4 gangstar vegas rr3? Is the powervr sgx544 a dominant gaming GPU? if so these inercom phones are quad core http://www.amazon.com/inercom-Unloc...&qid=1372472174&sr=8-1&keywords=inercom+x920e and have powervr sgx 544
http://www.amazon.com/inercom-TM-Unlocked-N7300-smartphone/dp/B00CFAQNOA/ref=pd_sim_sbs_cps_1
if powervr sgx 544 is a superior mobile gaming gpu would anyone recommend me to those 2 cheap phone as i cannot afford i9500 due to cost and i live in USA with adreno.
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so s4 has powervr sgx 544 has anyone experience lag on high end games ex vice city gta 3 mc4 gangstar vegas rr3? Is the powervr sgx544 a dominant gaming GPU? if so these inercom phones are quad core http://www.amazon.com/inercom-Unloc...&qid=1372472174&sr=8-1&keywords=inercom+x920e and have powervr sgx 544
http://www.amazon.com/inercom-TM-Unlocked-N7300-smartphone/dp/B00CFAQNOA/ref=pd_sim_sbs_cps_1
if powervr sgx 544 is a superior mobile gaming gpu would anyone recommend me to those 2 cheap phone as i cannot afford i9500 due to cost and i live in USA with adreno.
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The galaxy S4 i9500 has PowerVR SGX 544MP3, im not sure if the MP3 part is any different or not, but from my experience i dont really experience lag, and i've tried it on gta vice city, MC4 and zombiewood.
From those china phones, i dont really trust their hardware and their 1.2GHz mediatek chipset, so i guess the only way to find out is to buy the phone and use it.
Other alternatives is buying 2012 phones, those are pretty cheap now and still runs good.
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The galaxy S4 i9500 has PowerVR SGX 544MP3, im not sure if the MP3 part is any different or not, but from my experience i dont really experience lag, and i've tried it on gta vice city, MC4 and zombiewood.
From those china phones, i dont really trust their hardware and their 1.2GHz mediatek chipset, so i guess the only way to find out is to buy the phone and use it.
Other alternatives is buying 2012 phones, those are pretty cheap now and still runs good.
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I can only buy unlocked no contract phones budget is $220, I have considered to buy GS2 i777 with mali gpu for $175, i have gs2 skyrocket with adreno 220 gpu and it is horrible I do not devices with adreno gpu. I have considered thought in nexus 7 tegra 3 or any other tablet with tegra 3.
Would anyone recommend the lenovo a820 quad core phone with powervr sgx544?
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Would anyone recommend the lenovo a820 quad core phone with powervr sgx544?
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A SGX544MP3 [used in S4 Exynos] is much more powerful than a single core SGX544
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A SGX544MP3 [used in S4 Exynos] is much more powerful than a single core SGX544
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ok so the chinese phones GPU are single core, can you compare sgx544 to the mali gpu in s2?
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ok so the chinese phones GPU are single core, can you compare sgx544 to the mali gpu in s2?
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What are you looking for with such a comparison?
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ok so the chinese phones GPU are single core, can you compare sgx544 to the mali gpu in s2?
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Erm... No?
MediaTek 6589 chips are at the very least equivalent to Tegra 3.
Ok example iPhone 5 got PowerVR SGX 543MP3 (triple-core graphics) which is very powerful gpu.
Sams i9500 got it PowerVR SGX 544MP3.
in my opinion PowerVR SGX 544MP3 is a god like until Adreno330 witch is advanced as F.
Nook hd plus has powervrsgx544 1.5ghz dual core processor and i heard it has google play store now, if this a good tablet that can be used for gaming? I can get a 32gb one for around $180 would anyone recommend this?
Powervsgx533mp3
Galaxy s4 (I9500) have PowerVRSGX544 MP3 which means it only have 3 core compred to the GPU in Th new ipad PowerVRSFX544 MP4 which has 4 core. But the galaxy s4 gpu has been overlcoked to 533 mhz. so... yeah you wont experience any lag issue i think. If u are not sure just check out the videos in utube about galaxy s4 gaming performance, theres a lot of it and you can judge yourself
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Ok example iPhone 5 got PowerVR SGX 543MP3 (triple-core graphics) which is very powerful gpu.
Sams i9500 got it PowerVR SGX 544MP3.
in my opinion PowerVR SGX 544MP3 is a god like until Adreno330 witch is advanced as F.
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Actually Adreno330 isnt THAT much Advanced . it provides a total of 3 fps plus in some benchmark and some even tend to lag behind the powervr such as fillrate ofscreen. but the adreno330 benefit from 4k Playback which i really see it as one of today must have in a GPU
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Actually Adreno330 isnt THAT much Advanced . it provides a total of 3 fps plus in some benchmark and some even tend to lag behind the powervr such as fillrate ofscreen. but the adreno330 benefit from 4k Playback which i really see it as one of today must have in a GPU
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4k video play back must have? ..
So where did you get 4k videos to play .....i dont think 4k videos will be that much common like 1080p videos
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4k video play back must have? ..
So where did you get 4k videos to play .....i dont think 4k videos will be that much common like 1080p videos
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oh sorry my bad i wanted to say its NOT a must have forgot the NOT of course it is not no one uses 4k till date
What about Open GL 3.0 which Android 4.3 and Adreno supports, Powervr won't support it.
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What about Open GL 3.0 which Android 4.3 and Adreno supports, Powervr won't support it.
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actually it would support it imagination clearly stated that they will update the device with open gl 3.0 support
see this link http://withimagination.imgtec.com/i...4mp-a-modern-gpu-for-todays-leading-platforms
nook hd/+ would it be wise to get it solely for gaming, since it has google play store and powervr sgx544?
this phone has powervr sgx544 MP2 http://www.keryet.com/deal/buysku-16-off-amoi-n850-android-4-2-quad-core-3g-smartphone
avetny said:
Ok example iPhone 5 got PowerVR SGX 543MP3 (triple-core graphics) which is very powerful gpu.
Sams i9500 got it PowerVR SGX 544MP3.
in my opinion PowerVR SGX 544MP3 is a god like until Adreno330 witch is advanced as F.
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If you take the iPad 4 into account, it's SGX544MP4 + a dual core 1.4GHz GPU is about to push the most demanding games at retina res.
If theres lag with the SGX544MP3 on the S4, it is the developer's fault and partly google
One of the reason why I choose i9500 over i9505 is the powerVR gpu...