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Hummingbird fastest processor on the market according to GLBenchmark2.0

http://theandroidsite.com/2010/12/1...r-on-the-market-according-to-glbenchmark-2-0/
Thought this was pretty cool information
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The real world performance of the Hummingbird is superior to all other ARM Cortex A8 processors I have found. Of course, that won't remain that way when CPUs like the Tegra 250 start coming onto phones like the LG Optimus 2x.

Yea the Tegra chipset will blow everything out of the water . I do like the Hummingbird processor though
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sauron0101 said:
The real world performance of the Hummingbird is superior to all other ARM Cortex A8 processors I have found. Of course, that won't remain that way when CPUs like the Tegra 250 start coming onto phones like the LG Optimus 2x.
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No, that will remain even after Tegra 2 comes out..simply because Tegra 2 is Cortex A9 lol
Its no surprise the Hummingbird is the fastest processor...originally the TI OMAP held the crown of pushing the Cortex A8 to its max..Samsung with TI OMAP in mind went a step farther to try to create something even better (despite many telling them its not possible)..and with hep of Intrisity the Hummingbird was made which pushes Cortex A8 beyond its limits..
The Hummingbird is the king of 2010..and it was made it 2009..it is only fitting that next year in 2011 a better processor comes out, and then a better one in 2012 and so on...

gTen said:
No, that will remain even after Tegra 2 comes out..simply because Tegra 2 is Cortex A9 lol
Its no surprise the Hummingbird is the fastest processor...originally the TI OMAP held the crown of pushing the Cortex A8 to its max..Samsung with TI OMAP in mind went a step farther to try to create something even better (despite many telling them its not possible)..and with hep of Intrisity the Hummingbird was made which pushes Cortex A8 beyond its limits..
The Hummingbird is the king of 2010..and it was made it 2009..it is only fitting that next year in 2011 a better processor comes out, and then a better one in 2012 and so on...
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Hah, you guys sound like you've read my article. Or maybe I'm just flattering myself.
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125
Anyhow, there's one major problem with the article linked by the OP; that test is soley a GPU test, not CPU. The PowerVR SGX540 is, without doubt, the fastest GPU on the market today.
The Hummingbird does just barely edge past Snapdragon MHz to MHz in side-by-side processing tests, though any 1.x GHz OMAP / Snapdragon does have the 1 GHz Hummingbird beat (except when it comes to GPU performance, obviously.)
Where the Hummingbird starts to lose out MHz for MHz is in Android 2.3 where the JIT compiler was optimized for Snapdragon (and I assume OMAP) processors. Hopefully we'll see this change and Google work some better Hummingbird support into Android with the release of the Nexus S; now the flagship "Google Phone".

Electrofreak said:
Hah, you guys sound like you've read my article. Or maybe I'm just flattering myself.
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125
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I actually researched this info back before CTIA when the Hummingbird was first announced...but I do remember stumbling upon your article here and there.
Anyhow, there's one major problem with the article linked by the OP; that test is soley a GPU test, not CPU. The PowerVR SGX540 is, without doubt, the fastest GPU on the market today.
The Hummingbird does just barely edge past Snapdragon MHz to MHz in side-by-side processing tests, though any 1.x GHz OMAP / Snapdragon does have the 1 GHz Hummingbird beat (except when it comes to GPU performance, obviously.)
Where the Hummingbird starts to lose out MHz for MHz is in Android 2.3 where the JIT compiler was optimized for Snapdragon (and I assume OMAP) processors. Hopefully we'll see this change and Google work some better Hummingbird support into Android with the release of the Nexus S; now the flagship "Google Phone".
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Even with 2.3 optimizations I do not think an old 1st gen 65nm Snapdragon will outperform a Hummingbird mhz for mhz..the newer 2nd gen ones are another story.
But yeah, optimizations from the Nexus S would be sweet..while I was hoping for an Orion CPU, I am quite happy they chose the same CPU as ours, this will help development a lot...

Just what you always wanted - 2400 page processor manual!

I'm probably the only person on this planet that would ever download a 20.5-meg, 2426-page document titled "S5PC110 RISC Microprocessor User's Manual", but if there are other hardware freaks out there interested, here you go:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=repository&id=644&c=samsung_s5pc110_microprocessor_user_manual_1.00
As you may or may not know, the S5PC110, better known as Hummingbird, is the SoC (System on a Chip) that is the brain of your Epic. Now, when you have those moments when you really just gotta know the memory buffer size for your H.264 encoder or are dying to pore over a block diagram of your SGX540 GPU architecture, you can!
( Note: It does get a little bit dry at parts. Unless you're an ARM engineer, I suppose. )

Why arent you working on porting CM6 or gingerbread via CM7?? lol

now we can overclock the gpu
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cbusillo said:
Why arent you working on porting CM6 or gingerbread via CM7?? lol
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Hah, because I know exactly squat about Android development. Hardware is more my thing, though if I find some spare time to play around with the Android SDK maybe that can change.
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This actually is really exciting news. RISC architectures in general, especially the ARM instruction set is great and honestly it would so the works a lot of good kicking the chains of x86
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Interesting - the complete technical design of the Hummingbird chips.
After reading your blog as to how Hummingbird got its extra performance, I still wonder at times - did we make the right choice in getting this phone the Epic 4G (I bought one for $300 off contract and imported it to Canada) knowing that there are going to be ARM Cortex A9 CPUs coming around in just a couple of months? We know that in the real world, Hummingbird is more powerful than Snapdragon and the OMAP 3600 series, while benchmark scores tend to not reflect real world performance.
Performance-wise: It's know that the out of order A9 parts are at least 30% faster clock for clock in real world performance. There will be dual and maybe quad core implementations. What's really up in the air is the graphics performance of the A9 parts. There's now the Power VR SGX 545, the Mali 400, and the Tegra 2.
Edit: There is also the successor, the Mali T-604. I don't expect to see this in a phone in the near future. Nor do I expect the Tegra 3. Maybe close to this time next year though.

sauron0101 said:
Interesting - the complete technical design of the Hummingbird chips.
After reading your blog as to how Hummingbird got its extra performance, I still wonder at times - did we make the right choice in getting this phone the Epic 4G (I bought one for $300 off contract and imported it to Canada) knowing that there are going to be ARM Cortex A9 CPUs coming around in just a couple of months? We know that in the real world, Hummingbird is more powerful than Snapdragon and the OMAP 3600 series, while benchmark scores tend to not reflect real world performance.
Performance-wise: It's know that the out of order A9 parts are at least 30% faster clock for clock in real world performance. There will be dual and maybe quad core implementations. What's really up in the air is the graphics performance of the A9 parts. There's now the Power VR SGX 545, the Mali 400, and the Tegra 2.
Edit: There is also the successor, the Mali T-604. I don't expect to see this in a phone in the near future. Nor do I expect the Tegra 3. Maybe close to this time next year though.
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Your always going to be playing catchup..I personally think the Epic has great hardware for the time...I mean on Samsung's roadmap for 2012/13 is their Aquila processor which is a quad-core 1.2ghz..its going to be endless catchup..every year there will be something that completely over shallows the rest..

gTen said:
Your always going to be playing catchup..I personally think the Epic has great hardware for the time...I mean on Samsung's roadmap for 2012/13 is their Aquila processor which is a quad-core 1.2ghz..its going to be endless catchup..every year there will be something that completely over shallows the rest..
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No, but I mean, if you buy the latest technology when its released, you'll be set for quite some time.
For example, if you were to buy the one of the first Tegra 2 phones, its unlikely that anything is going to be beating that significantly until at least 2012 when the quad core parts begin to emerge.
It takes a year or so from the time that a CPU is announced to the time that it gets deployed in a handset. For example, the Snapdragon was announced in late 2008 and the first phones (HD2) were about a year later. IF you buy an A9 dual core part early on, you should be set for some time.

Well, I got the Epic knowing Tegra 2 was coming in a few months with next-gen performance. I was badly in need of a new phone and the Epic, while not a Cortex A9, is no slouch.
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sauron0101 said:
No, but I mean, if you buy the latest technology when its released, you'll be set for quite some time.
For example, if you were to buy the one of the first Tegra 2 phones, its unlikely that anything is going to be beating that significantly until at least 2012 when the quad core parts begin to emerge.
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Thats relative, in terms of GPU performance our Hummingbird doesn't do so badly..the GPU the TI chose to pair with the dual core OMAP is effectively a PowerVR SGX540..the Snapdragon that is rumored to be in the dual cores next summer is also on par with our GPU performance...so yes we will loose out to newer hardware..which is to be expected but I wouldn't consider it a slouch either...
It takes a year or so from the time that a CPU is announced to the time that it gets deployed in a handset. For example, the Snapdragon was announced in late 2008 and the first phones (HD2) were about a year later. IF you buy an A9 dual core part early on, you should be set for some time.
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The first phone was a TG01, that said I guarantee you that a year if not less from the first Tegra release there will be a better processor out...its bound to happen..
Edit: Some benchmarks for Tablets:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4067/nvidia-tegra-2-graphics-performance-update
Though I am not sure if its using both cores or not...also Tegra 2 I think buffers at 16bit..while Hummingbird buffers at 24bit..

gTen said:
Thats relative, in terms of GPU performance our Hummingbird doesn't do so badly..the GPU the TI chose to pair with the dual core OMAP is effectively a PowerVR SGX540..the Snapdragon that is rumored to be in the dual cores next summer is also on par with our GPU performance...so yes we will loose out to newer hardware..which is to be expected but I wouldn't consider it a slouch either...
The first phone was a TG01, that said I guarantee you that a year if not less from the first Tegra release there will be a better processor out...its bound to happen..
Edit: Some benchmarks for Tablets:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4067/nvidia-tegra-2-graphics-performance-update
Though I am not sure if its using both cores or not...also Tegra 2 I think buffers at 16bit..while Hummingbird buffers at 24bit..
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AFAIK, dual-core support is only fully supported by Honeycomb. But if you feel like buying into NVIDIA's explanation of Tegra 2 performance, check this out: http://www.nvidia.com/content/PDF/t...-Multi-core-CPUs-in-Mobile-Devices_Ver1.2.pdf

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AFAIK, dual-core support is only fully supported by Honeycomb. But if you feel like buying into NVIDIA's explanation of Tegra 2 performance, check this out: http://www.nvidia.com/content/PDF/t...-Multi-core-CPUs-in-Mobile-Devices_Ver1.2.pdf
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I see I actually read before that Gingerbread would allow for dual core support but I guess that was delayed to honeycomb...
either way this would mean even if a Tegra based phone comes out it wont be able to utilize both cored until at least mid next year.
I can't open pdfs right now but I read a whitepaper with performance of hummingbird and Tegra 2 compared both on single core and dual core..is that the same one?
One thing though is Nvidia and ATI are quite known for tweaking their gfx cards to perform well on benchmarks...I hope its not the same with their CPUs :/

gTen said:
Edit: Some benchmarks for Tablets:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4067/nvidia-tegra-2-graphics-performance-update
Though I am not sure if its using both cores or not...also Tegra 2 I think buffers at 16bit..while Hummingbird buffers at 24bit..
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Here are some additional benchmarks comparing the Galaxy Tab to the Viewsonic G Tablet:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4062/samsung-galaxy-tab-the-anandtech-review/5
It's possible that the Tegra 2 isn't optimized yet. Not to mention, Honeycomb will be the release that makes the most of dual cores. However, there are lackluster performance gains in terms of graphics - most of it seems to be purely CPU gains in performance.
I'm not entirely sure that Neocore is representative of real world performance either. It's possible that it may have been optimized for some platforms. Furthermore, I would not be surprised if Neocore gave inflated scores for the Snapdragon and it's Adreno graphics platform. Of course, neither is Quadrant.
I think that real world games like Quake III based games are the way to go, although until we see more graphics demanding games, I suppose that there's little to test (we're expecting more games for Android next year).
Finally, we've gotten to a point for web browsing where its the data connection HSPA+, LTE, or WiMAX that will dictate how fast pages load. It's like upgrading the CPU for a PC. I currently run an overclocked q6600 - if I were to upgrade to say a Sandy Bridge when it comes out next year, I don't expect significant improvements in real world browsing performance.
Eventually, the smartphone market will face the same problem that the PC market does. Apart from us enthusiasts who enjoy benchmarking and overclocking, apart from high end gaming, and perhaps some specialized operations (like video encoding which I do a bit of), you really don't need the latest and greatest CPU or 6+ GB of RAM (which many new desktops come with). Same with high end GPUs. Storage follows the same dilemna. I imagine that as storage grows, I'll be storing FLAC music files instead of AAC, MP3, or OGG, and more video. I will also use my cell phone to replace my USB key drive. Otherwise, there's no need for bigger storage.

gTen said:
I see I actually read before that Gingerbread would allow for dual core support but I guess that was delayed to honeycomb...
either way this would mean even if a Tegra based phone comes out it wont be able to utilize both cored until at least mid next year.
I can't open pdfs right now but I read a whitepaper with performance of hummingbird and Tegra 2 compared both on single core and dual core..is that the same one?
One thing though is Nvidia and ATI are quite known for tweaking their gfx cards to perform well on benchmarks...I hope its not the same with their CPUs :/
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Gingerbread doesn't have any dual-core optimizations. It has some JIT improvements in addition to some other minor enhancements, but according to rumor, Honeycomb is where it's at, and it's why the major tablet manufacturers are holding off releasing their Tegra 2 tablets until it's released.
And yeah, that paper shows the performance of several different Cortex A8s (including Hummingbird) compared to Tegra 2, and then goes on to compare Tegra 2 single-core performance vs dual.

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Gingerbread doesn't have any dual-core optimizations. It has some JIT improvements in addition to some other minor enhancements, but according to rumor, Honeycomb is where it's at, and it's why the major tablet manufacturers are holding off releasing their Tegra 2 tablets until it's released.
And yeah, that paper shows the performance of several different Cortex A8s (including Hummingbird) compared to Tegra 2, and then goes on to compare Tegra 2 single-core performance vs dual.
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I looked at:
http://androidandme.com/2010/11/new...u-will-want-to-buy-a-dual-core-mobile-device/
since I can't access the pdf..does the whitepaper state what version they used to do their tests? for example if they used 2.1 on the sgs and honeycomb on their tests it wouldn't exactly be a fair comparison...do they also put in the actual FPS..not % wise? for example we are capped on the FPS for example...
Lastly, in the test does it say whether the Tegra 2 was dithering at 16bit or 24bit?

gTen said:
I looked at:
http://androidandme.com/2010/11/new...u-will-want-to-buy-a-dual-core-mobile-device/
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I'm one of Taylor's (unofficial) tech consultants, and I spoke with him regarding that article. Though, credit where it's due to Taylor, he's been digging stuff up recently that I don't have a clue about. We've talked about Honeycomb and dual-core tablets, and since Honeycomb will be the first release of Android to support tablets officially, and since Motorola seems to be holding back the release of its Tegra 2 tablet until Honeycomb (quickly checks AndroidAndMe to make sure I haven't said anything Taylor hasn't already said), and rumors say that Honeycomb will have dual-core support, it all makes sense.
But yes, the whitepaper is the one he used to base that article on.
gTen said:
since I can't access the pdf..does the whitepaper state what version they used to do their tests? for example if they used 2.1 on the sgs and honeycomb on their tests it wouldn't exactly be a fair comparison...do they also put in the actual FPS..not % wise? for example we are capped on the FPS for example...
Lastly, in the test does it say whether the Tegra 2 was dithering at 16bit or 24bit?
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Android 2.2 was used in all of their tests according to the footnotes in the document. While I believe that Android 2.2 is capable of using both cores simultaneously, I don't believe it is capable of threading them separately. But that's just my theory. I'm just going off of what the Gingerbread documentation from Google says; and unfortunately there is no mention of improved multi-core processor support in Gingerbread.
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html
As for FPS and the dithering... they don't really go there; the whitepaper is clearly focused on CPU performance, and so it features benchmark scores and timed results. I take it all with a pinch of salt anyhow; despite the graphs and such, it's still basically an NVIDIA advertisement.
That said, Taylor has been to one of their expos or whatever you call it, and he's convinced that the Tegra 2 GPU will perform several times better than the SGX 540 in the Galaxy S phones. I'm not so sure I'm convinced... I've seen comparable performance benchmarks come from the LG Tegra 2 phone, but Taylor claims it was an early build with and he's seen even better performance. Time will tell I suppose...
EDIT - As for not being able to access the .pdfs, what are you talking about?! XDA app / browser and Adobe Reader!

[OFFTOPIC] Ipad2 Dual Core CPU made by Samsung

Apple's A5 CPU in iPad 2 confirms manufacturing by Samsung
source: http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ipad_2_confirms_manufacturing_by_samsung.html
That was quite a funny thing to read for the morning breakfast
Ipad2 Dual core CPUs are made by Samsung.
In a way we can expect really good CPUs for our next phone upgrade from Samsung
I wouldn't be surprised if the CPU used on the upcoming SGS2 is the same dual core CPU as the one found in Ipad2

The same was the case in the iPhone 4, original iPad, and the Samsung Galaxy S series of phones.
I'm actually kind of curious what kind of agreements the two have now. The A4/Hummingbird chip was originally created by Intrinsity and Samsung, then Apple acquired Intrinsity. I they probably had shared IP the whole time and are continuing the relationship to bring the same basic chip design to both Apple and Samsung. The chips aren't identical, but they are pretty close. The CPU is the same I believe, but being that it's a SOC, the GPUs and other components aren't necessarily the same.

Are there any detailed information? I wonder if iPad 2 uses Exynos...

d3sm0nd said:
Are there any detailed information? I wonder if iPad 2 uses Exynos...
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I doubt it. Exynos is the name of the SoC. They are likely using a similar Cortex A9 CPU, but the SoC is likely customized depending on the application. Apple would have had little reason to acquire Intrinsity if they were going to use Samsung's whole package. That's how the A4 and Hummingbird were.
To add a little further proof, Apple is said to be using the SGX543MP GPU in the A5, while we know that the Orion (Exynos 4210) SoC that the SGS 2 will be using is using the Mali 400 GPU.
I'm not sure what Apple's intentions are exactly. They may just be interested in customizing their packages to their specific needs, but get the major parts (CPU, GPU, etc) built by someone else, or they may be in a learning process to completely design their own chips in the future. They certainly have the money to do something like that, but I don't know that they have the interest.
At least that's how I see it all. If anyone else has further insight please let us know.

The SGX543MP4 (used in the sony NGP) is wayyyyyyy better than the mali 400, but you get what you get
Now, the interesting part about the PowerVR is that it is a true MIMD [Multiple Instruction-Multiple Data http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIMD ] architecture. In their press releases, ImgTech is bragging about the capabilities of the "GP-GPU", but even if we take a look at the specifications with the cold head, a lot of surprises are in store. The multi-core design is available in dual, quad, octal and sedec-core variants [SGX543MP2, SGX543MP4, SGX543MP8, SGX543MP16], and they're by no means slouches.
For instance, a quad-core version SGX543MP4 at only 200 MHz frequency delivers 133 million polygons per second and offers fill-rate of four billion pixels per second [4GPixel/s], in the range of GeForce 8600 cards. For that matter, 4GPixel/s runs 40nm GeForce GT210 [2.5 GPixel/s] into the ground. Given that GeForce GT210 runs at 589 MHz for the core and 1.4 GHz for shaders. Since PowerVR SGX543 targets handheld devices, there is no saying what the performance plateau is.
An eight core SGX543MP8 at 200 MHz delivers 266 million polygons and eight billion pixels per second, while faster clocked version, for instance, at 400 MHz would deliver 532 million polygons and 16 billion pixels per second. 16 billion pixels per second equal GeForce GTX 260-216, for instance.
After analyzing the performance at hand, it is no wonder that Sony chose to go with PowerVR for the next-generation PlayStation Portable. While the exact details of the SoC are still in question, our take is that Sony could go with quad-core setup at 400MHz [8GPixel/s], paired with a dual-core CPU based on ARM Cortex architecture. This would put Sony direct in line against Tegra-powered Nintendo DS2, PowerVR-based Apple's iPhone 4G and Palm Pre2.
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ryude said:
The SGX543MP4 (used in the sony NGP) is wayyyyyyy better than the mali 400, but you get what you get
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The source of this is information is what exactly...?

martino2k6 said:
The source of this is information is what exactly...?
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The mali 400 specs and performance figures have already been revealed, as well as the SGX543MP4. Benchmarks also favor the PowerVR.

Strange, so I guess that this disproves the other articles that have stated that Apple has had the Taiwanese company TSMC develop the chips for them.
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Carne_Asada_Fries said:
Strange, so I guess that this disproves the other articles that have stated that Apple has had the Taiwanese company TSMC develop the chips for them.
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The proof is solid and indeed disproves those other articles.

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Are there any detailed information? I wonder if iPad 2 uses Exynos...
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The GPU is different in Ipad 2, Ipad 2 has PowerVR SGX543MP2 (I think MP2 means 2 cores) according to Anandtech.
http://www.anandtech.com/Show/Index...rmance-explored-powervr-sgx543mp2-benchmarked

ryude said:
The mali 400 specs and performance figures have already been revealed, as well as the SGX543MP4. Benchmarks also favor the PowerVR.
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iPad has the MP2 variant, which has two cores. The Mali-400 has 4 cores. I mean, this doesn't mean much but personally I think it's still in the air until someone does proper benchmarks with optimised drivers on a final release model.

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iPad has the MP2 variant, which has two cores. The Mali-400 has 4 cores. I mean, this doesn't mean much but personally I think it's still in the air until someone does proper benchmarks with optimised drivers on a final release model.
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I'll definitely be interested since I just got the iPad 2 and tentatively plan on getting the SGS2. Biggest thing about Android though is that it's so hard to get apps that actually utilize the GPU to it's fullest extent. Apps don't get updated for one top of the line phone while most can't handle it, so in that sense I think we'll see better performance out of the iPad 2. It'll be interesting to see if the Tegra games run on the SGS2 and if they are optimized enough to make good use out of the GPU.

Wouldn't it be possible, with an ipad that is jailbroken to allow dual booting into android since the processor will match that of samsungs mobiles? Generally doesn't the Chooser/firmware discrepancy usually disallow this? If this gap is now filled it would seem doable.
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crossfire2500 said:
Wouldn't it be possible, with an ipad that is jailbroken to allow dual booting into android since the processor will match that of samsungs mobiles? Generally doesn't the Chooser/firmware discrepancy usually disallow this? If this gap is now filled it would seem doable.
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And why would you want to do that? People buy iDevices for the UX which iOS gives, mainly the multitude of apps and ease of use that it provides. Furthermore, Steve Jobs would chop your head off...

crossfire2500 said:
Wouldn't it be possible, with an ipad that is jailbroken to allow dual booting into android since the processor will match that of samsungs mobiles? Generally doesn't the Chooser/firmware discrepancy usually disallow this? If this gap is now filled it would seem doable.
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The CPU is probably the easiest part. As long as you're an ARM CPU, you can compile support for it. It's the drivers for every other piece of hardware that would be important.

Atrix has an 8 core GPU

Yep so I just found out that the atrix has an 8 core GPU thanks to the forum members below.
This seems amazing considering the SGSII has a quad core GPU

Check this out:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-2.html

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Check this out:
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OMG 8 cores?
So it is better than the SGS2

8 core GPU

Seems like so. From what i'm reading just now, the SGSII has a Mali-400MP4 which is only a quad core. Wow, Nvidia you outdid yourself. lol

Why dont they advertise the 8 core GPU?

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Why dont they advertise the 8 core GPU?
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probably cause not many people know or even care what it is and moto and att didnt see it as a selling point

Dang, and to think I was always of the opinion that the Galaxy S phones had more GPU power than my Atrix.. Damn you AT&T.

not surprised as it's a geforce core

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probably cause not many people know or even care what it is and moto and att didnt see it as a selling point
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well they advertise the dual core CPU

Says it supports 12mp primary camera?

The next tegra is a quad core cpu, 12 core gpu. Its going to be a monster.

RacecarBMW said:
well they advertise the dual core CPU
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that is always a big selling point in todays market

RacecarBMW said:
OMG 8 cores?
So it is better than the SGS2
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Holy Moly. 8 core GPU?
And the SGSII only has 4 core GPU?
The Atrix wins overall. No question about it.
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Extra cores do not necessarily translate to win. Tegra is awesome, but has its limits, which are far more apparent than in the new Galaxy 2, which appears to be the most powerful Android phone to date.

YAY! 8 CORE GPU! what ever that means? lol

as far as i know. the SGS2 oxynes or whatever its called is more powerful than tegra 2.
not my much tho.
however Nvidia has an advantage of Tegra zone. games specific to take advantages of the Tegra 2.
and that alone is way better than playing the same game the nexus S plays well only smoother.
this makes Tegra 2 a better GPU imho hands down. but not the most powerful.

jivemaster said:
Extra cores do not necessarily translate to win. Tegra is awesome, but has its limits, which are far more apparent than in the new Galaxy 2, which appears to be the most powerful Android phone to date.
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What drugs are you on? SGS II? The most powerful to date? No ways Laydee
The Atrix hasn't even shown its true colours yet. Wait till Gingerbread is released. This will be the REAL test.
Only then will it be clear whether Atrix or SGS II is the better handset.

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as far as i know. the SGS2 oxynes or whatever its called is more powerful than tegra 2.
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Its called Exynos, and NO, the reports out there peg the Tegra 2 to be better clock for clock.
Why do you think Samsung overclocked the Exynos to 1.2Ghz? To be competitive, because at 1Ghz it wasn't.
Samsung has won the Quadrant war for the moment, but lets see what the Tegra 2 overclocked to 1.2Ghz (unlock that bootloader damit!) and with AOS 2.3.3 can do. And the hardware war can't be won on just a SAMOLED+ screen thats still can't be viewed in direct sunlight, and is heavily pixelated at 4.3" & 800x480 resolution (I certainly prefer qHD).

The Geforce ULV GPU in the Tegra 2 SoC is based on the Nvidia Geforce 6 series GPU architecture from 2004.
Computer GPU's at the time where still using "pipelines" before introduction of "unified shaders" (those are easier to be called multi-core) with the release of the nvidia G80 GPU in late 2006.
Piplines architecture has dedicated instructions shaders (nvidia like to call them cores for marketing reasons and to piss off Intel!) for each of pixel and vertex processing tasks. A GPU of this kind can't help itself if the load was heavier at one side of those tasks.
Where in "unified shaders" architecture those shaders can morph to handle any instructions tasks based on the load.
So it's more correctly to say the nvidia GPU in the Atrix has 8 shaders, But and it's a big BUT.. 4 of them must be preserved for the pixel processing and the other 4 must be preserved for vertex processing.

Samsung Galaxy S III for Verizon keeps its design intact

Verizon is one of the five carriers to start offering the Samsung Galaxy S III this month and leaked pictures show that the device will virtually be an untouched version of its international GSM sibling.Android Central got their hands on some photos of the Galaxy S III for the Big Red, which, excluding the 4G Verizon logo on the back, is the same as the GSM model of the device. The only difference is it runs on a dual-core 1.5GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8960 chipset with 2GB of RAM.
Samsung have decided not to alter the Galaxy S III as much as they did with the Galaxy S II lineup last year and launch the device with the same outfit as everywhere else. This seems to be the case with the US-bound T-Mobile version and the one sold by AT&T, as well.
Speaking of launch, it's yet unclear when Verizon is going to put the Galaxy S III on the shelves, but it will surely be sometime this month.

Dual core with 2gigs of ram? Isnt the S3 quad core with 1gig? Hmmm
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QBANBOY407 said:
Dual core with 2gigs of ram? Isnt the S3 quad core with 1gig? Hmmm
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2GB of RAM is nice, but I'd rather have a quad-core Exynos since I'm a gamer and that's a big selling point of the Galaxy line.

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2GB of RAM is nice, but I'd rather have a quad-core Exynos since I'm a gamer and that's a big selling point of the Galaxy line.
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Me too!
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Snapdragon....so does that mean no Wolfson DAC for Verizon's phone?

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Snapdragon....so does that mean no Wolfson DAC for Verizon's phone?
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Sent u a pm can u please reply ??

June 6th they are starting to take pre-orders is what I just saw.
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As the release of the Samsung Galaxy SIII looms, I am wondering what events will take place. Do you think big red will officially roll out the the new data plans before launch? I doubt it.
When the S3 is released this month presumably before the new data plans roll out, will I be able to keep my grandfathered unlimited plan?

ready to leave Apple for android, but is the GS3 good enough?
hey guys not sure if i should get this phone... im sad it will not have the overclocked Mali400 400mhz GPU.... but i know the S4 CPU with the andreno 225 is a beast, i held off the GN on big red cause of the old powervr540 GPU WTF but i know ICS is much better of using the GPU instead of 3.2 and below mostly using the CPU for graphics processing... im a big gamer , thats why i use the iphone4s i love the powervr543mp2 its badass... so... what should i get? i kinda wanna wait for the LG eclipse i hear it comes with the adreno 320, that alone makes me giddy or does any one know of any phones coming out with the exynos 5250? i hear that Mali-t604 GPU can walk all over the PowerVR544mp4 in the ipad3 so anyone please help... should i wait for phones with the next Gen GPUS ,adreno 320 and Mali-t604? or will my gaming needs be met with the GS3 with the S4 CPU running the adreno 225 GPU? im ready to get rid of my Iphone4s... but i still want the same graphics performance of the powerVR543mp2 in my iphone 4S , i love the idea of android and i cant wait to leave the dark side of apple!!!! FTW Andriod!!!
p.s i know im a noob here so sorry for the long post

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As the release of the Samsung Galaxy SIII looms, I am wondering what events will take place. Do you think big red will officially roll out the the new data plans before launch? I doubt it.
When the S3 is released this month presumably before the new data plans roll out, will I be able to keep my grandfathered unlimited plan?
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If you go ahead and pre-order you will be able to keep your Unlimited. Tiered plans are supposed to begin July 1st, so anytime before then should be fine.

vader540is said:
hey guys not sure if i should get this phone... im sad it will not have the overclocked Mali400 400mhz GPU.... but i know the S4 CPU with the andreno 225 is a beast, i held off the GN on big red cause of the old powervr540 GPU WTF but i know ICS is much better of using the GPU instead of 3.2 and below mostly using the CPU for graphics processing... im a big gamer , thats why i use the iphone4s i love the powervr543mp2 its badass... so... what should i get? i kinda wanna wait for the LG eclipse i hear it comes with the adreno 320, that alone makes me giddy or does any one know of any phones coming out with the exynos 5250? i hear that Mali-t604 GPU can walk all over the PowerVR544mp4 in the ipad3 so anyone please help... should i wait for phones with the next Gen GPUS ,adreno 320 and Mali-t604? or will my gaming needs be met with the GS3 with the S4 CPU running the adreno 225 GPU? im ready to get rid of my Iphone4s... but i still want the same graphics performance of the powerVR543mp2 in my iphone 4S , i love the idea of android and i cant wait to leave the dark side of apple!!!! FTW Andriod!!!
p.s i know im a noob here so sorry for the long post
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Developers never ever use the highest end hardware when designing their games because of exactly why you're worried. They'll always use the hardware that's the most friendly and easily-sourced in favor of something that is completely different like the Mali GPUs (which is more reserved for tablets anyways if theory comes to fact). Mali is still unproven whereas Adreno is easily sourced. I'll put money that developers will favor Adreno for some time until.

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Developers never ever use the highest end hardware when designing their games because of exactly why you're worried. They'll always use the hardware that's the most friendly and easily-sourced in favor of something that is completely different like the Mali GPUs (which is more reserved for tablets anyways if theory comes to fact). Mali is still unproven whereas Adreno is easily sourced. I'll put money that developers will favor Adreno for some time until.
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The exception to your statement is of course the Tegra platform, which has versions of games optimized specifically for it. But in general you're correct. The Mali is significantly more powerful than the S4, although in real-world usage the difference would be negligible.

Does the VZW version with the Snapdragon MSM8960 radio have LTE on the actual SOC. Or is the LTE radio on a separate chip like the Bionic and Galaxy Nexus? Basically is there any battery saving with this radio by having the LTE on the SOC itself instead of a stand alone chip set.

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Does the VZW version with the Snapdragon MSM8960 radio have LTE on the actual SOC. Or is the LTE radio on a separate chip like the Bionic and Galaxy Nexus? Basically is there any battery saving with this radio by having the LTE on the SOC itself instead of a stand alone chip set.
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Its actually integrated in to the block of the CPU diagram
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I found a Diagram
The Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 (MSM8960) is composed of two Krait CPUs clocked between 1.2 and 1.5 Ghz, an Adreno 225 GPU and a modem subsystem with LTE, GPS, Wifi, Bluetooth and FM support. It will be manufactured using 28nm technology and provide much lower power consumption compared to previous generations.
Snapdragon S4 Block Diagram
Key features and improvements:
New CPU micro-architecture: The Krait CPU offer a 60% performance improvement compared to the scorpion CPU used in previous generations.
CPU performance Roadmap
SIMD/VFP performance: Multimedia instructions (SIMD) and floating point operations have also been improved, but no metrics have been provided.
Optimized memory subsystem: Krait includes dual-channel memory. Dual-channel memory is critical in
order for the processor to being able to handle the large bandwidth requirements in multicore systems.
25/40% power improvement: Thanks to an asynchronous multi-core processing, the MSM8960 consumes between 25 to 40% less power.
Reduced complexity: Qualcomm explains a companion core is not needed to reduce power savings as they use aSMP (asynchronous SMP) technology. This goes against the choice of Nvidia to have a companion core in NVidia 3.
50% increase in GPU performance: The Adreno 225 GPU delivers 50% greater graphics processing power over the previous generation Adreno GPU, Adreno 220, and six times the processing power of Adreno 200.
Adreno GPU Power Improvements
Fully integrated 3G/4G world/multimode LTE Modem: Supports all of the world:s leading 2G, 3G
and 4G LTE standards. It also includes integrated support for multiple satellite position networks (GPS and GLONASS) as well as short range radios via Bluetooth, WiFi, FM and NFC.
Programmable Hexagon DSPTM Architecture: According to the block diagram above. They all contribute to the improved performance of the mobile processor. Custom DSP applications can also be written by OEM and ISV.
Read more: http://www.cnx-software.com/2011/10/08/qualcomm-snapdragon-s4-msm8960/

alpha-niner64 said:
Developers never ever use the highest end hardware when designing their games because of exactly why you're worried. They'll always use the hardware that's the most friendly and easily-sourced in favor of something that is completely different like the Mali GPUs (which is more reserved for tablets anyways if theory comes to fact). Mali is still unproven whereas Adreno is easily sourced. I'll put money that developers will favor Adreno for some time until.
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Very true but with the growth of mobile gaming today, developers must use next Gen GPUs for example the Malit628 will have native support for open CL, 3D hi Res, multi threading and 64 bit... Look at TV now there will be ultra definition which will make 1080p look like my original Nintendo game boy in the 90s... So smart phones will follow suit... Look at LGs new super phone the eclipse, 5 inch display 440 ppi ! And has an adreno 320 GPU apple knows how important a smooth graphic interface is... Apple has always used high power GPUs in their Ipad and iPhones, look at ICS Google finally use integrated hardware and graphical acceleration in the ICS operating system, u can tell the difference on how smooth 4.0 is compared to 2.3 and 3.0 the future looks good right about now....its the waiting that is killing me lol
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I am considering the Galaxy S III to keep my Verizon Unlimited Data plan, but I am wondering if it is rootable?

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I am considering the Galaxy S III to keep my Verizon Unlimited Data plan, but I am wondering if it is rootable?
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Samsung phones are ALWAYS rootable. They allow it. In fact, the bootloader just gives you a warning but lets you.