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I'm seriously thinking about returning this now

I just read that the LG Optimus 2x with dual core is coming out in March, and apparently for Tmobile. It will most likely be 4G also.
This makes my new Nexus S seem outdated already. Man I really like the phone but the fact that it doesnt support 4G was already a big hit for me, but I still got it. I didnt realize how much it really affected me until the other day I was talking with a friend who has an Evo and hes "let's see if this face time app works". I said sure, and connected to the my wifi signal, so we're trying to connect and he's like "man, connect to the 4g signal maybe its faster".
At that moment I couldn't open my mouth to say that my new phone which i dropped over $500 for, couldn't connect to 4g. I just played it off and changed topics.
Anyways that was my small rant, I'm sure others feel the same.
LG OPTIMUS currently has:
TEGRA 2
HDMI Mirroring
4 INCH WVGA Display
8gb Internal
MicroSD Slot
8MP camera
front facing camera
DLNA out of the box
With CES right around the corner, I'm glad I have 30 days to return the Nexus S.

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I feel the same way as you. Im not going to say its a bad phone but we all had such high expectations. Who knows maybe LG might make the next NEXUS. I switched from my N1 because that was already starting go get me mad. I use to hate my brothers Vibrant because the screen was so amazing. So my Pros overpower the Cons so ill stick to it. Maybe when the new LG comes out ill jump on it, but i HATE branded phones. loaded with a bunch of crap i don't need.

Already threads open about this. Android is also not optimized yet for dual core, so have fun with utilizing only one core.

thepoetvd776 said:
I just read that the LG Optimus 2x with dual core is coming out in March, and apparently for Tmobile. It will most likely be 4G also.
This makes my new Nexus S seem outdated already. Man I really like the phone but the fact that it doesnt support 4G was already a big hit for me, but I still got it. I didnt realize how much it really affected me until the other day I was talking with a friend who has an Evo and hes "let's see if this face time app works". I said sure, and connected to the my wifi signal, so we're trying to connect and he's like "man, connect to the 4g signal maybe its faster".
At that moment I couldn't open my mouth to say that my new phone which i dropped over $500 for, couldn't connect to 4g. I just played it off and changed topics.
Anyways that was my small rant, I'm sure others feel the same.
LG OPTIMUS currently has:
TEGRA 2
HDMI Mirroring
4 INCH WVGA Display
8gb Internal
MicroSD Slot
8MP camera
front facing camera
DLNA out of the box
With CES right around the corner, I'm glad I have 30 days to return the Nexus S.
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i agree with most but now the negatives.
- no community support " really, who buys an LG phone here? "
- its 2.2, they promised 2.3 which will probably be ****ty just like 2.2 on Galaxy S
- for sure no Android 3.0
- its an LG phone. how many times i have to say it ?
in paper, the Lg 2X is amazing. will i buy one ? probably i will. i think think the nexus S is a disspointment in terms of power
its not a bad phone. its just a galaxy S with better software " no rfs bull**** " and support by google. so android 3.0 is coming
plus. its a 3 months away. you could always buy the nexus S and sell it later if that phone is better. BUT if you already have nexus 1 or newer, then yeah dont spend money on nexus S
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Already threads open about this. Android is also not optimized yet for dual core, so have fun with utilizing only one core.
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please dont post bull****. thank you and good bye

I suspect the shipped units will have kernels that're set up just fine.
Also just because LG doesn't have a big dev following yet, doesn't mean it wont when this comes out. This could be the thing that starts it off for them.

I seriously thought about waiting for the LG phone, primarily because of the Tegra2 and the 8MP camera. There was one major reason I didn't wait:
Straight Google Experience.
I am sick and tired of waiting for months on end for manufacturers and carriers to update the OS. And I'm tired of wondering if a manufacturer will update an OS for a phone at all.
Sure, the developers here on XDA are amazing, but they still need hardware drivers from the manufacturers to work their magic.
I just wanted to know that I was going to have a phone that Google supported.

Dudes-
It's not like you didn't know the specs before buying the thing. LOL.
Seriously, some of the design decisions on the phone are mind-boggling (no AT&T support like the Vibrant has, no "4G" support, no external sdcard, etc), but we knew these decisions before purchasing.
Personally, I love Galaxy S phones, and this is the best looking, best fitting in my hand of the lot, but I'd been using an i9000 on AT&T and in the areas of Los AngelesI frequent, the AT&T service is better overall than T-Mo. If the phone were 4G, I'd put up with the poorer coverage of T-Mo, but as is, the T-Mo service has me 50/50 on keeping the phone or not.
I have to disagree with the above comment that if you have a Nexus One this upgrade doesn't make sense. The much superior 4" SAMOLED vs. the 3.7" AMOLED screen is reason enough to dump the N1 for the NS, especially if you spend any time in the sunlight. The vastly superior multi-touch touch screen of the NS is also reason enough to switch, IMHO.
To each his own, though.

I wouldn't worry about it cause we all know that t-mobile doesn't have 4g, It's just hspa+. And even though the nexus s doesn't support it, you still can see slightly increased speeds simply because the network backhaul is increased so that the full 7.2Mbps is achieved on the nexus s. Nexus s owners are already reporting actual download speeds near 6Mbps. Don't you think that is fast enough for video calls fast enough to future proof this phone for at least the next year?

4G technology doesn't exist yet period. Not on T-mobile, not on Sprint, not on Verzion.
Is "4G" (HSPA+) even available in your area?
Better specs don't necessarily equate to a better phone, you might feel like it's outdated only a few months later. I say stick with your Nexus S for at least a year and see what's out then
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RogerPodacter said:
I wouldn't worry about it cause we all know that t-mobile doesn't have 4g, It's just hspa+. And even though the nexus s doesn't support it, you still can see slightly increased speeds simply because the network backhaul is increased so that the full 7.2Mbps is achieved on the nexus s. Nexus s owners are already reporting actual download speeds near 6Mbps. Don't you think that is fast enough for video calls fast enough to future proof this phone for at least the next year?
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HSPA+, 4G, whatever you want to call it...4G is just a marketing term and geeks can debate what it is and isn't, but that doesn't change the fact that there are two different networks in T-Mo's arsenal now (HSPA and HSPA+) and that one of them is capable of significantly higher speeds than the other. The 4G/not-4G talk is pointless.
I haven't done a lot of testing with the NS and data speeds yet; haven't had a chance with work so busy right now. I think I got around 3000Kb/s the other day, which is respectable.
I'm in Los Angeles, and we have the HSPA+ upgrade in my local area.
Near the Van Nuys airport, where I spend most of my away-from-wifi time, my Nexus One was getting a consistent 4000Kb/s, but I've never seen more than 4400 or so. Pretty impressive, but nowhere near the 6-7.2Mb/s. Also not nearly so impressive when I consider that my iPhone 4 and Galaxy S i9000 both get consistent 3000Kb/s speeds on AT&T.
3000-4000Kb/s really is fast enough for most uses, but when the network's newest phones are offering speeds 50-100% faster and then release a "flagship device" as people are calling the NS, it's a bit disappointing to not be part of the fastest crowd.
As I mentioned above, the lack of HSPA+ isn't a deal breaker for me, but the T-Mo service in general makes this a much less attractive phone for me as my primary device. My N1 had been relegated to wifi-hotspot/tethering-the-laptop duties since last July.

distortedloop said:
HSPA+, 4G, whatever you want to call it...4G is just a marketing term and geeks can debate what it is and isn't, but that doesn't change the fact that there are two different networks in T-Mo's arsenal now (HSPA and HSPA+) and that one of them is capable of significantly higher speeds than the other. The 4G/not-4G talk is pointless.
I haven't done a lot of testing with the NS and data speeds yet; haven't had a chance with work so busy right now. I think I got around 3000Kb/s the other day, which is respectable.
I'm in Los Angeles, and we have the HSPA+ upgrade in my local area.
Near the Van Nuys airport, where I spend most of my away-from-wifi time, my Nexus One was getting a consistent 4000Kb/s, but I've never seen more than 4400 or so. Pretty impressive, but nowhere near the 6-7.2Mb/s. Also not nearly so impressive when I consider that my iPhone 4 and Galaxy S i9000 both get consistent 3000Kb/s speeds on AT&T.
3000-4000Kb/s really is fast enough for most uses, but when the network's newest phones are offering speeds 50-100% faster and then release a "flagship device" as people are calling the NS, it's a bit disappointing to not be part of the fastest crowd.
As I mentioned above, the lack of HSPA+ isn't a deal breaker for me, but the T-Mo service in general makes this a much less attractive phone for me as my primary device. My N1 had been relegated to wifi-hotspot/tethering-the-laptop duties since last July.
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I second that. And pple keep talking about this tegra 2 crap what really are you gonna use dual core for? I mean lets be senseful here? With Gingerbread this phone is already fast and and pretty much polished. Tegra 2 is probably gonna be a battery hog. And this phone is gonna be full of LG/TMO bloatware, and no support at all its gonna be atuck at 2.3 for ever. That's 'IF' it even releases on 2.3. Anf Honestly who wants an LG phone c'mon now. Return your phone and you shall regret. Trust me the Nexus S is sold out pretty much everywhere when u return it and try to change ur mind to get it again its gonna be gone.. And I know thats gonna happen

rashad1 said:
4G technology doesn't exist yet period. Not on T-mobile, not on Sprint, not on Verzion.
Is "4G" (HSPA+) even available in your area?
Better specs don't necessarily equate to a better phone, you might feel like it's outdated only a few months later. I say stick with your Nexus S for at least a year and see what's out then
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I live 10 mins away from NYC so 4G is in my area. I understand completely what everyone else here is saying but I'm just thinking that with all these potential dual core devices coming out, that makes the Nexus S not future proof regardless of Google's support or not. This will also make the resale value drop gradually compared to the original Nexus which was a BEAST of a phone when it came out, and still hangs with the best now.

thepoetvd776 said:
I live 10 mins away from NYC so 4G is in my area. I understand completely what everyone else here is saying but I'm just thinking that with all these potential dual core devices coming out, that makes the Nexus S not future proof regardless of Google's support or not. This will also make the resale value drop gradually compared to the original Nexus which was a BEAST of a phone when it came out, and still hangs with the best now.
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So let me ask you something. Are dual core phones gonna drop the iPhone 4 value as well? I mean its gonna be single core for a while chances are the next one will STILL be single core.

thepoetvd776 said:
.. Man I really like the phone but the fact that it doesnt support 4G was already a big hit for me, but I still got it. I didnt realize how much it really affected me until the other day I was talking with a friend who has an Evo and hes "let's see if this face time app works". I said sure, and connected to the my wifi signal, so we're trying to connect and he's like "man, connect to the 4g signal maybe its faster"...
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Oooo the great "4G" lol
Haven't people watch the dogfight of Nexus S vs MyTouch 4G where they compare speed test side by side in a HSPA+ coverage area? And guess what, the greatest "4G" came slower than the out of date "slower" 3G, not only once but all three consecutive tests.
10:45 http://www.phonedog.com/videos/google-nexus-s-vs-mytouch-4g-dogfight-pt-2/
So whats the big deal everyone is dying for 4G? This reminds me of the Iphone4 vs HTC Evo video lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg

I hardly even get 2 megabits where I live.If you're area had HSPA+ its capped at what 6.5 isnt that enough for video chat?Also he had sprint maybe better coverage where you were and had nothing to do with 4g

sstang2006 said:
Oooo the great "4G" lol
Haven't people watch the dogfight of Nexus S vs MyTouch 4G where they compare speed test side by side in a HSPA+ coverage area? And guess what, the greatest "4G" came slower than the out of date "slower" 3G, not only once but all three consecutive tests.
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One guy's results, in one location, really don't make the NS the clear winner. On top of that, they're hardly conclusive...less than 100Kb/s difference on 2/3, only 2Kb/s on one of them. LOL
All cellular/wireless experiences are just like real estate...location, location, location is all that matters. The guy even says he's not getting full HSPA+ service for some reason in his location for the last few days.
Take both phones to a confirmed working HSPA+ location and test again, multiple times at different times of the day and against different servers if you really want to prove/disprove the theory here.

The problem is this; there will be a newer and more powerful handset released every X number of months.
The Nexus S is a great phone that has pros and cons just like all the other leading Android phones.
If you fall into upgrading/swapping for every newer piece of hardware that drops you will be spending a great deal of cash and will never truly be content.
It's always give and take. I will give up "4G" and a dual core CPU for quicker updates and a pure Android experience. The hardware is still top notch.

csmall said:
The problem is this; there will be a newer and more powerful handset released every X number of months.
The Nexus S is a great phone that has pros and cons just like all the other leading Android phones.
If you fall into upgrading/swapping for every newer piece of hardware that drops you will be spending a great deal of cash and will never truly be content.
It's always give and take. I will give up "4G" and a dual core CPU for quicker updates and a pure Android experience. The hardware is still top notch.
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EXACTLY.....& T-MOBILE 3G coverage is not even everywhere yet so what makes them think 4G will be everywhere in the next few months??

Might as well never get a phone then, since new phones come out every month or two, you'll end up waiting forever.

distortedloop said:
One guy's results, in one location, really don't make the NS the clear winner. On top of that, they're hardly conclusive...less than 100Kb/s difference on 2/3, only 2Kb/s on one of them. LOL
All cellular/wireless experiences are just like real estate...location, location, location is all that matters. The guy even says he's not getting full HSPA+ service for some reason in his location for the last few days.
Take both phones to a confirmed working HSPA+ location and test again, multiple times at different times of the day and against different servers if you really want to prove/disprove the theory here.
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- I can tell you for sure 80% of cities with HSPA+ you will get the same speed on a non HSPA+ device. If the OP is not even getting a good 3G how can he get a good HSPA+.
- That will be 2 guys test. The second one is me. I had the G2 ("4G") and I tested its speed in Miami, FL (definitely HSPA+ area) and there was no difference at ALL, different times, different locations.
- I'm sure there are places where HSPA+ is a lot faster but thats the minority. If HSPA+ in my were was much faster, sure I will mind, but it is not.

EVo

What will the new evo 4g lte have spec wise? Also will 4g service be an extra charge? I just recently used a friends razor on verizon 4g network and its extremely fast, I was getting almost 2mb per second...I wonder how much coverage sprints 4glite will have and if it will be on par with verizon...since we really never had 4g on the first evo...

Pivo187 said:
What will the new evo 4g lte have spec wise? Also will 4g service be an extra charge? I just recently used a friends razor on verizon 4g network and its extremely fast, I was getting almost 2mb per second...I wonder how much coverage sprints 4glite will have and if it will be on par with verizon...since we really never had 4g on the first evo...
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specs: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=3742
4g: the 4g will be the same $10 charge we pay for the current wimax 4g
Speed: no one knows how good the lte will be yet but it will almost definitely be above 2mbps since you can get about 5mbps on the current 4g and lte is much better.
Coverage: they just started rolling out lte so it will be a while before it covers anything near what verizon has. but if the rumors are true then we should have lte just about anywhere we have 3g at some point in the future
hope this answers your questions

Pivo187 said:
What will the new evo 4g lte have spec wise? Also will 4g service be an extra charge? I just recently used a friends razor on verizon 4g network and its extremely fast, I was getting almost 2mb per second...I wonder how much coverage sprints 4glite will have and if it will be on par with verizon...since we really never had 4g on the first evo...
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For specs http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_evo_4g_lte-4665.php visit here. In short, the screen on this phone has been voted by some, as the best on a smart phone yet; as well as the camera.
Id recommend on also do a comparison on 4g vs lte to see the true differences, but lte should bring a much faster network to us. In reality 2mb down is very slow for lte speeds, and in many areas it's common to get 15mb down or more.
Also, chances are that if you are not receiving 4g services currently, you will more than likely be one of the last ones to receive the lte service. LTE or not, this phone is definitely worth the upgrade on 3g alone.
Hope this helps you a bit.

Why is it def worth the upgrade for 3g alone? BTW I just started modding my evo 4g LoL maybe I should visit sprint & see how well the 4glite network is in my area...maybe wait til it goes full swing to 5mb like you said...also I just ordered exdended batteries 3 weeks ago!! lol

If you are still enjoying the EVO Og, and it is doing everything you need it to, there's nothing wrong with stick with it until more details emerge on the LTE network. For a lot of us, we've been flashing and modding since the phone first came out and it's time to move on.
A few big reasons to consider still switching over though are:
- Mod support - a large chunk of the top devs from OG Evo are making the switch, meaning, most of them will likely stop development on this phone.
- The battery life upgrade is going to make a huge difference, or at least we hope. Considering the fact that no one has one in hand yet, we don't have an accurate depiction of the actually battery life - but consider it safe to say that it will easily outlast the OG.
- Screen wise side-by-side it is night and day. Although OG screen isn't bad, a decent comparison is when you first made the switch from watching standard cable to hd (assuming you have).
- Processor is much, much, faster. This will allow for better game play, smooth transitions, and a better overall user experience.
I could literally write at least another 10 - 20 reasons on why to make the switch, but really no need. As I said, if you're still happy with the OG and don't feel the need to switch just yet, you likely will not miss out on much anyways.

Right I understand..Did they finally move the SD card location to the outside and not behind the damn battery...I hated that about the evo...When is the phone due to be out?

id_twin said:
If you are still enjoying the EVO Og, and it is doing everything you need it to, there's nothing wrong with stick with it until more details emerge on the LTE network. For a lot of us, we've been flashing and modding since the phone first came out and it's time to move on.
A few big reasons to consider still switching over though are:
- Mod support - a large chunk of the top devs from OG Evo are making the switch, meaning, most of them will likely stop development on this phone.
- The battery life upgrade is going to make a huge difference, or at least we hope. Considering the fact that no one has one in hand yet, we don't have an accurate depiction of the actually battery life - but consider it safe to say that it will easily outlast the OG.
- Screen wise side-by-side it is night and day. Although OG screen isn't bad, a decent comparison is when you first made the switch from watching standard cable to hd (assuming you have).
- Processor is much, much, faster. This will allow for better game play, smooth transitions, and a better overall user experience.
I could literally write at least another 10 - 20 reasons on why to make the switch, but really no need. As I said, if you're still happy with the OG and don't feel the need to switch just yet, you likely will not miss out on much anyways.
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Wondering how long I can keep it going. If it could rum ics like sense 1.0 it would hold it own. The devs are working hard. Hats off for the efforts. So funny I will run a rom with broken features when it is perfectly capable but yet we press forward for something better. Nothing wrong with that.
Come on little evo...
Come on devs...
And thank you for your hard work.
Next flash? OK...
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The speculation is that the phone will release on May 18th with pre-orders receiving them (possibly) early. And yes, the phone's micro-sd slot is no longer behind the battery, in fact, you will likely never see the battery ever unless you decide to take your's apart.

Yes. No need to worry. Get it. Now. It's in all our best interest. Do it.
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So we will not be able to upgrade the battery!? That sounds like a ****ty iphoney move...THat is one reason I hated the iphone among many others...But Im a power user & I have 3 spare batteries...I work offshore & my phone can only pull 1X so its constantly drawing massive amounts of power...I usually go thru 1 sprint 2600mah battery & about 50% of an anker 1700mah battery...2000mah is not going to cut it....
Also, will sprints lte network actually work & be widespread...I have fears of the lte network never even being available somewhat like the evo 4g...I never once got to use 4g on it...BTW verizon 4g is amazingly fast & very widespread, tested it out on a friends razor max

Pivo187 said:
So we will not be able to upgrade the battery!? That sounds like a ****ty iphoney move...THat is one reason I hated the iphone among many others...But Im a power user & I have 3 spare batteries...I work offshore & my phone can only pull 1X so its constantly drawing massive amounts of power...I usually go thru 1 sprint 2600mah battery & about 50% of an anker 1700mah battery...2000mah is not going to cut it....
Also, will sprints lte network actually work & be widespread...I have fears of the lte network never even being available somewhat like the evo 4g...I never once got to use 4g on it...BTW verizon 4g is amazingly fast & very widespread, tested it out on a friends razor max
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With Sense 4.0 and ICS in general, battery life should be amazing compared to our OG Evo. If I were you, wait a couple of months to see results of how battery life is from real world experience. People with the One X with the Quad core are reporting great battery life and their phones have a smaller battery (1800 mAh). The new Evo has a SoC, 28nm chip which will help wasting precious battery life and generate less heat, as well as its larger battery. Overall it seems to be a great phone with enough new quirks to help many upgrade from the OG for a better experience.
One thing that no one talks about is that at some point were expected to be able to ROAM on someones LTE network. (Most likely Verizon) We don't have that now because nobody is running WiMAX except Sprint. Good article about it on goodandevo.net
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Roam to verizons network?? How is that possible if EVO does not use SIM card...I thought to get on another carriers network you need their sim card...I almost jumped the gun due to the low price offered at wirefly..But after the promises of 4g on the first EVO never coming to light for me I Have decided to wait & see...My current evo does everything I need. Only gripe is the 4g that sprint promised which makes me think the same will happen with 4glite....Ive tried a razor max on verizons 4glte & it leaves sprint in the dust....Also, if the lte network is not up & working when the EVO lte is released & the evo lte has no working wimax then what network are you supposed to connect too? Sounds eerily similar to the EVO 4g launch

Verizon and Sprint phones, to the best of my knowledge stopped using SIM cards awhile ago. Sprint allows us to roam on Verizon when there's no Sprint coverage because Sprint signed a roaming agreement to use Verizon.
How were going to roam, I'm not 100% sure but I'm sure we will find out soon.
goodandevo.net/2012/03/here-is-sprints-future-lte-coverage-cap.html
Edit: this would be for the new EVO LTE, not the previous WiMAX versions. Just wanted to clarify.
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You won't be able to roam as sprints lte is at 1900mhz and Verizon is something totally different.
Should be a beast of a phone though. Lte is already live in a few cities and the LG viper lte is already out along with a Samsung lte phone.
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That's true but one can hope lol. But don't forget that Sprint is shutting down Nextels iDen network which will give us the 800 MHz frequency for better building penetration. At least we have that to look forward to in the future. I think Verizon is somewhere in the 700 MHz.
Maybe Sprint classifies some builder of LTE towers (sort of like ClearWire) are the future "roaming" areas that are the grey on the map from goodandevo.net?
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Any US Int'l users purchasing the LTE version?

I am so impressed with this device that I pre-ordered AT&T's LTE model.
I know it depends on if you even have LTE in your area but I have had the skyrocket and One X and the speed difference is off the chart. Can only imagine the best smartphone I have ever had with LTE.
I plan on comparing the two hoping that AT&T does not dumb it down too much and we can delete most bloatware. Another key will be battery life.....Int'l version last longer than any android ph I've used to date. Curious to see how much it's reduced with LTE.
Anyone else?

I have an Int i9300 & won't be getting the AT&T version but I do miss LTE speeds. The whole point of me switching from ATT Note to get the Int S3 is the quad core.

RMXO said:
I have an Int i9300 & won't be getting the AT&T version but I do miss LTE speeds. The whole point of me switching from ATT Note to get the Int S3 is the quad core.
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I have a Int'l S2 (I9100) on my AT&T account. Getting the I9100 was a no brainer for me.
But I am torn between the I9300 and the AT&T branded version this time around.
I believe that many are.

Mobs69 said:
I have a Int'l S2 (I9100) on my AT&T account. Getting the I9100 was a no brainer for me.
But I am torn between the I9300 and the AT&T branded version this time around.
I believe that many are.
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I was torn too & had to make a hard decision. I asked myself what's more important: LTE or quad core w/ faster dev support? I wen't with the Int SGS3.

Mobs69 said:
I have a Int'l S2 (I9100) on my AT&T account. Getting the I9100 was a no brainer for me.
But I am torn between the I9300 and the AT&T branded version this time around.
I believe that many are.
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I pre-ordered the AT&T version. If I'm not satisfied with the LTE speeds, I'm going to return or sell it and get an international one
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If you are located in a LTE covered area, why wouldn't you be satisfied with the speeds?
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I'm another one torn between the ATT version and the intl version. Since I'd have to pay full retail for the ATT version anyway. But I am leaning towards the intl version.
I wont be able to get mine until the 2nd week of july which I'm kind of glad about because by then I'm sure there will be video comparisons of the two by then.
Pros for the intl:
1. Has Exynos(forget dual core vs quad. I just prefer the sammy cpu over the qualcomm)
2. Be able to drop my tiered $36 a month(I get a discount from the normal $45) 4gb data plan to a $10 a month unlimited media net plan
3. Dev support..
4. Dev Support
5. Dev support
Cons:
1. Warranty stuff is a PITA
2. No LTE
3. Only 1gb of ram(really might not make too much difference though)
Pros for the US version:
1. LTE(I have LTE in NYC)
2. 2gb of ram (although we will see how much the extra gb makes a difference, if any)
3. Cheaper up front out of pocket cost(but more in the long run opposed to using the media net plan with the intl)
4. Easy warranty support/replacements
Cons:
1. Dev support not as big, It wont be lacking but due to the intl version in multiple countries around the world of course there will be more dev's deving for it than the US version.
2. Battery life due to LTE(which I'm sure can be turned off)
The ATT version is $549(plus tax) comes out to be about $594.. the intl is $694(guessing no tax)
I would save $26 a month in data fees going from 4gb of data to unlimited media net data. That would save me $312 for the year minus the $100 difference in the phone price I would still be saving $212 a year. So in one year it would actually be cheaper for me to get the intl version.

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I'm another one torn between the ATT version and the intl version. Since I'd have to pay full retail for the ATT version anyway. But I am leaning towards the intl version.
I wont be able to get mine until the 2nd week of july which I'm kind of glad about because by then I'm sure there will be video comparisons of the two by then.
Pros for the intl:
1. Has Exynos(forget dual core vs quad. I just prefer the sammy cpu over the qualcomm)
2. Be able to drop my tiered $36 a month(I get a discount from the normal $45) 4gb data plan to a $10 a month unlimited media net plan
3. Dev support..
4. Dev Support
5. Dev support
Cons:
1. Warranty stuff is a PITA
2. No LTE
3. Only 1gb of ram(really might not make too much difference though)
Pros for the US version:
1. LTE(I have LTE in NYC)
2. 2gb of ram (although we will see how much the extra gb makes a difference, if any)
3. Cheaper up front out of pocket cost(but more in the long run opposed to using the media net plan with the intl)
4. Easy warranty support/replacements
Cons:
1. Dev support not as big, It wont be lacking but due to the intl version in multiple countries around the world of course there will be more dev's deving for it than the US version.
2. Battery life due to LTE(which I'm sure can be turned off)
The ATT version is $549(plus tax) comes out to be about $594.. the intl is $694(guessing no tax)
I would save $26 a month in data fees going from 4gb of data to unlimited media net data. That would save me $312 for the year minus the $100 difference in the phone price I would still be saving $212 a year. So in one year it would actually be cheaper for me to get the intl version.
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Do you have an LTE phone? If so, what are your average download speeds?
I tried to ask some reps at the corporate store and they said it was fast. I asked them for proof by asking to look at their speedtest results and one said she didn't know how to do it and the other had less than 1mbps. I just left. For some reason, I always leave the store pissed
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Do you have an LTE phone? If so, what are your average download speeds?
I tried to ask some reps at the corporate store and they said it was fast. I asked them for proof by asking to look at their speedtest results and one said she didn't know how to do it and the other had less than 1mbps. I just left. For some reason, I always leave the store pissed
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No, I currently have the GS2, but the ATT variant. HSPA+ is fine for my needs and I'm on wifi most of the time anyway.
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No, I currently have the GS2, but the ATT variant. HSPA+ is fine for my needs and I'm on wifi most of the time anyway.
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what speeds are you getting?
i'm getting about 2-3Mbps on average on my int'l GS2. though a lot of times, i have issues connecting. i think because i don't have an at&t-dedicated phone

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what speeds are you getting?
i'm getting about 2-3Mbps on average on my int'l GS2. though a lot of times, i have issues connecting. i think because i don't have an at&t-dedicated phone
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It depends where I am. Right in front of my house(I'm in queens) I get about 2-4mbps, 500 feet down the block I get like 6mbps and around the neighborhood I get around 4-6mbps on average. Around Gramercy in the city I have gotten up to 9-10 but average around 6-8

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Do you have an LTE phone? If so, what are your average download speeds?
I tried to ask some reps at the corporate store and they said it was fast. I asked them for proof by asking to look at their speedtest results and one said she didn't know how to do it and the other had less than 1mbps. I just left. For some reason, I always leave the store pissed
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My wife has a vivid with lte, in San Jose she maxes out the speed test app,I believe it was 30N.W.A.
Also,I am unsure how long the dumb phone exploit will be valid, I imagine att is working on a fix as we speak, and I would be worried at the ramifications brought on by the user since they knowingly falsified their contract and the toc.
I went with the us, I bought it off contact and the cheapest int'l phones I could find from reportable sources were in the 7_800 range. Plus I think you may have to pay customs fees, plus warranty issues I think would be a massive headache. Though I have never bought from a phone from over seas.
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It depends where I am. Right in front of my house(I'm in queens) I get about 2-4mbps, 500 feet down the block I get like 6mbps and around the neighborhood I get around 4-6mbps on average. Around Gramercy in the city I have gotten up to 9-10 but average around 6-8
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Thanks. I'm in Queens too so we're about the same in download speed

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what speeds are you getting?
i'm getting about 2-3Mbps on average on my int'l GS2. though a lot of times, i have issues connecting. i think because i don't have an at&t-dedicated phone
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I am in Houston TX area and I have LTE on my galaxy note currently. Average speed for me is 26MB down 14 - 16 MB up consistently. Sometimes in some areas, I have seen up to 46MB but that happened only twice. But it is faster than my internet speed at home which is quite funny. I would use LTE 24/7 if I did not have limit on it. But, this time, I am seriously debating between int'l version and att version of GS3. Having ATT galaxy note for past 6 months and flashing various roms, I notice that int'l version gets enormous amount of devs support and good stuff. I envied it for too long. lol. I also think HSPA+ is sufficient for me as far as it has at least 6mb down and 2-3mb up in my area. I don't want to look at int'l forum and suck my thumb again this time.

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I am in Houston TX area and I have LTE on my galaxy note currently. Average speed for me is 26MB down 14 - 16 MB up consistently. Sometimes in some areas, I have seen up to 46MB but that happened only twice. But it is faster than my internet speed at home which is quite funny. I would use LTE 24/7 if I did not have limit on it. But, this time, I am seriously debating between int'l version and att version of GS3. Having ATT galaxy note for past 6 months and flashing various roms, I notice that int'l version gets enormous amount of devs support and good stuff. I envied it for too long. lol. I also think HSPA+ is sufficient for me as far as it has at least 6mb down and 2-3mb up in my area. I don't want to look at int'l forum and suck my thumb again this time.
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The dev support for the US s3 will be significantly better than the Note, all the carrier versions are the same.
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jkforce said:
I am in Houston TX area and I have LTE on my galaxy note currently. Average speed for me is 26MB down 14 - 16 MB up consistently. Sometimes in some areas, I have seen up to 46MB but that happened only twice. But it is faster than my internet speed at home which is quite funny. I would use LTE 24/7 if I did not have limit on it. But, this time, I am seriously debating between int'l version and att version of GS3. Having ATT galaxy note for past 6 months and flashing various roms, I notice that int'l version gets enormous amount of devs support and good stuff. I envied it for too long. lol. I also think HSPA+ is sufficient for me as far as it has at least 6mb down and 2-3mb up in my area. I don't want to look at int'l forum and suck my thumb again this time.
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Holy Schnikes!!
So what's your data usage at the end of the month?
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Guys I currently have an AT&T One X on LTE and I can say the AT&T versions of these phones run much smooth Internet wise. I also had an International One X and returned it for the ATT version because it had way too any bugs.
Anyway I do get 4 or so mb downloads on the Inter GS3 which is very nice, but the problem I come across is that the data signal on these Inter unlocked phones is not stable. I was driving around LA yesterday and I went from great speeds to no connections at all. It was showing E, 3G ect, it was all over the place. Granted the AT&T version would just show the same signal info even though it had no signal, which is what my iPhone was doing.
So bottom line is AT&T version for a more stable faster data signal, Inter version for everything else

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Holy Schnikes!!
So what's your data usage at the end of the month?
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I try to keep it under 3gb and never went over the limit but i am always very close (less than 20 mb left)even in a controlled environment.
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I will definitely miss the speed.
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I personally think I'm gunna swap for the AT&T version. I'll be on my third device soon due to phone issues. It would be nice to be able to swap in store rather then be Phone-less for weeks. My signal doesn't seem as strong on the international version. Not to say the us version would be any better tho. Maybe I'll just try both for awhile and see which I like better

Nexus 4: Wireless charging > LTE?

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/10/29/nexus-4-official-available-november-13th-starting-at-299/
Key specifications
Chipset: Qualcomm Snapdragon™ S4 Pro processor with 1.5GHz Quad-Core Krait CPUs
Operating System: Android 4.2, Jelly Bean
Network: 3G (WCDMA), HSPA+
Display: 4.7-inch WXGA True HD IPS Plus (1280 x 768 pixels)
Memory: 8GB / 16GB
RAM: 2GB
Camera: 8.0MP rear / 1.3MP HD front
Battery: 2,100mAh Li-Polymer (embedded) / Talk time: 15.3 hours / Standby: 390 hours
Other: Wireless charging, NFC
Price: UNLOCKED - $299:8gb / $349:16gb ($199:16gb w/ 2yr T-Mobile contract)
Or, we can wait another 6 months or so for the SGS4

Only on GSM networks. As much as I admire Google's desire for open access (thus no carriers involved), I still think they should have released a CDMA version with LTE...I'm stuck on Sprint on a family plan for at least another year, and i have no idea what phone I can get now -__-

mooshubob said:
Only on GSM networks. As much as I admire Google's desire for open access (thus no carriers involved), I still think they should have released a CDMA version with LTE...I'm stuck on Sprint on a family plan for at least another year, and i have no idea what phone I can get now -__-
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I read that the samsung galaxy nexus 2 is on its way, and as I mentioned in the OP, the sgs4...

SwimDrewid said:
I read that the samsung galaxy nexus 2 is on its way, and as I mentioned in the OP, the sgs4...
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I'd heard that Galaxy Nexus 2 rumor/leak was fake (it included a microSD card, and very little modification from the current GNex)...and I'm not really willing to wait 6+ months with my OGEpic

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I'd heard that Galaxy Nexus 2 rumor/leak was fake (it included a microSD card, and very little modification from the current GNex)...and I'm not really willing to wait 6+ months with my OGEpic
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Why not? Is their something your epic can't do that these new phones can? Or are you one of the ones who needs the latest and greatest? Not that that is a bad thing, just curious as to why you're so anxious to get rid of a device that still functions perfectly even with the latest android version...

It's the unicorns man, sabotaging our technologies.
And as much as I would have liked them to make a CDMA/LTE model, Sprint and Verizon kind of were deserving of getting shafted due to how they handle things with manufacturers on their carrier. Removing their power in a not so literal way.
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AproSamurai said:
It's the unicorns man, sabotaging our technologies.
And as much as I would have liked them to make a CDMA/LTE model, Sprint and Verizon kind of were deserving of getting shafted due to how they handle things with manufacturers on their carrier. Removing their power in a not so literal way.
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I love that it's unlocked, though. So we could put it on our carrier of choice, just no lte
J.ust A. R.eally V.ery I.ntelligent S.ystem

flastnoles11 said:
Why not? Is their something your epic can't do that these new phones can? Or are you one of the ones who needs the latest and greatest? Not that that is a bad thing, just curious as to why you're so anxious to get rid of a device that still functions perfectly even with the latest android version...
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Nah, my epic is slowly falling apart (screen cracks, needs a new battery, among other things), and I don't have any need for a physical keyboard, meaning I don't need a phone this big.
And it's not really latest and greatest 2+ years after I got the device. Technology has moved further, and it'd be nice to have all the "comforts" of the phones of late 2012 - great, fast cameras, fast processor speeds, NFC, etc.
Again, I'm not anxious, I've had my upgrade available since July of this year, just wanting a good device worthy of an upgrade from the Epic, available on Sprint, which doesn't seem to be coming out any time soon.

I'm considering the N4. Sprint's service has been so "meh!" in my area for the last 6 years, that switching to Tmobile or a MVNO seems to be a nice idea. Here is an article that gives some insight as to why no LTE radio.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...s-explanation-and-why-it-sort-of-makes-sense/

While I know that everyone has a different experience with their network, a side by side of LTE and HSPA+ shows that for the majority of users, HSPA+ will be perfectly fine (although most people considering a Nexus phone are probably power users), but the T-Mobile HSPA+ here in Denver beats the crap out of my WiMax network. My nephew has the Galaxy S 4G (not the S II) and it consistently gets speeds 25-30% faster than my average WiMax speeds. With the Nexus 4 it bears mentioning the added processing speed of the faster processor and additional RAM. I think overall Google may have made the right choice excluding LTE as it keeps the cost of an unlocked phone down. Has anyone seen what the iPhone 5 goes for? Or the SGS III? That they are producing this for 50% or less of other premium phones cost is amazing. Also, the Nexus 4 is SEXY
Just a point of reference, it's not perfect, but it shows some of the HSPA+ potential.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia5iBxqsjW8

So a follow up on this, my friend on T-Mo with his SGS III just ran 6 speed tests for me of the HSPA+ network and his average DL in Denver was 21.73 Mbps and average UL was 2.36
Not as strong an upload as LTE, but the DL is about 5 times my average with WiMax and UL is pretty comparable.

LTE is a must feature, IMO. I like the fact that Google is sticking it to CDMA carriers, but it is a Pyrric victory. Nexus 4 sales will likely be sluggish, its specs notwithstanding. As for me, I no longer have any patience with Sprint (and its NetworkVision promises), and Epic, for all the wonderful dev effort, just isn't meant to run JB very well and now feels very dated when it comes to processing power and RAM. Going to get a VZW S3 in a few weeks.

There is now Sprint LTE in my area so I am rather anxious to upgrade. It is really too bad that the Nexus 4 is not going to be on Sprint and the Optimus G has less than stellar battery life and no removable battery/sd card, I guess even if the Nexus 4 was on Sprint it'd have the same downfalls.
If the SIII had the internals of the Note 2 (including the non-pentile screen), it'd be perfect.

N4 16GB ($350) + T-Mobile plan ($30 no contract) = FTW
Cannot resist that deal even with my Epic + SERO plan ($60)
Done with all this 4G/WiMax/LTE hype when in reality I hardly even use those speeds given the current coverage limitations.

Well guys, after 10 years I switch to Tmo

After 10 years on ATT and 5 years on XDA ATT I made the jump to TMobile :crying:. With there official press release on Bootloaders and Samsung intent to take over more corporate land, I just don't see a future mod base with ATT. But I hope you guys don't get stuck with a safestrap only like the Droid X.
See you guys on the other side

A lot of us, like myself are staying with att but using a T Mo phone instead. I can understand leaving though. I would to if they had better coverage.

phobic99 said:
A lot of us, like myself are staying with att but using a T Mo phone instead. I can understand leaving though. I would to if they had better coverage.
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I would be on Tmobile in a heartbeat but my work has a company plan with ATT and they pay for my service. So I'm kinda stuck with them. That doesn't prevent me from getting a Tmobile Note 3 though!

The development for the S4 is now pathetic. It only benefits those on May 2013 firmware (MDL). If the AT&T Note 3 is like the S4, the development will suck. We got lucky the first 3 months with the S4, then it just went down hill. There is still no custom recovery yet for the latest ATT update.
I'm tempted by T-Mobile too, trust me. But their higher bands mean worse coverage, especially indoors. AWS requires a lot of cell sites for proper performance. When I had T-Mobile, having 1 bar of 4G was a good day, it was then EDGE city. They are the only carrier without any lower spectrum.
Hopefully they don't suck by you.

My dad used T-Mobile for the last 2-3 years and recently switched over to AT&T...
On T-Mobile he was getting 2g, 3g sometimes, and half the time no service at all.
This is why I didn't make the switch, ****ty coverage, oh and the reason I didn't buy a T-Mobile note is because I would rather shell out $299 than over $800...

MattMJB0188 said:
The development for the S4 is now pathetic. It only benefits those on May 2013 firmware (MDL). If the AT&T Note 3 is like the S4, the development will suck. We got lucky the first 3 months with the S4, then it just went down hill. There is still no custom recovery yet for the latest ATT update.
I'm tempted by T-Mobile too, trust me. But their higher bands mean worse coverage, especially indoors. AWS requires a lot of cell sites for proper performance. When I had T-Mobile, having 1 bar of 4G was a good day, it was then EDGE city. They are the only carrier without any lower spectrum.
Hopefully they don't suck by you.
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I get what yur saying but by that logic development for us early adopters should be good. Once they get this f/w figured out just dont upgrade. Naturally theres a possibility we may be stuck for a bit but even MF3 got set up with safestrap which is great for what it is. Some would say it re-enforces the argument of "if you wanna google phone get a nexus."
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Bladerunner1825us said:
I get what yur saying but by that logic development for us early adopters should be good. Once they get this f/w figured out just dont upgrade. Naturally theres a possibility we may be stuck for a bit but even MF3 got set up with safestrap which is great for what it is. Some would say it re-enforces the argument of "if you wanna google phone get a nexus."
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See my response here and why I am switching to a T-Mo device..but the future for Carrier supplied devices is pretty bleak, we would forced to go to the developer edition route (aka full price) for any customization options..

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See my response here and why I am switching to a T-Mo device..but the future for Carrier supplied devices is pretty bleak, we would forced to go to the developer edition route (aka full price) for any customization options..
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I get what yur saying and do agree for the most part. My personal plan is to ride this out till tax time when if things havent changed and i have some throw around money cut my loss and get a device full price. I guess the ideologist in me doesnt wanna "jump ship" just yet haha yknow? Still wanna believe in our devs. Like i said though i do agree with yur thoughts on it.
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I tried to switch once about 5 months ago to T-Mobile. Service was absolute garbage.

ya i think it would be good to just get t mobile one and run on att or just get the full price developer one. i had tmobile for about a year, but much better signal with att .what is the full unlock developer model number? i seen some on ebay but wasnt sure on which one is right for usa ? thanks for any help on this .sorry not to take away from this thread

Don't blame you. I left the death star almost 18 months ago and wouldn't switch back for anything. Yeah, the ST sim I use, is on the at&t
tower, but it's CHEAPER by tons. Were I was paying 120+/month for unlimited voice "unlimited" data....I pay 50 bucks/month for the same
thing with ST. I was thinking of actually switching back to at&t's MVNO because of the N3's LTE (vs my current N1) but now that ST has
LTE, I'll just buy a t-mobile N3, and go that route.

I wouldn't switch carriers for a phone at all... T-Mobile has horrible service where I live and work. I'll rather keep paying $200+ for quality service rather than save and have to walk 5 blocks to get service.
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I wouldn't switch carriers for a phone at all... T-Mobile has horrible service where I live and work. I'll rather keep paying $200+ for quality service rather than save and have to walk 5 blocks to get service.
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I am very jealous of all of you guys who can leave AT&T and go to T-Mobile. I wish I could use T-Mobile, but when half my home town is covered in EDGE/GPRS I just can't use them. Knowing I'll never have their 4G at my house because of their frequencies don't reach that far doesn't exactly sit well either. Anyway, best of luck to you guys on T-Mobile. Enjoy your truly unlimited data.

@YellowGTO, sorry to hear that. I think that was a bit impulsive and there is no way Tmobile has better coverage then AT&T. The most I would be willing to do is buy the Tmobile N3. I did not even do that one. I got the AT&T Note 3 and we will see how my mileage goes.
I enjoy custom ROMs, kernels, and recoveries too. I spent most of the time with the Note II with Touchwiz ROMs and loved it. Root is probably the most pressing for me but I can do without it for while. This phone is a beast, I did not think it could get any better but I guess it can.

lpsi2000 said:
@YellowGTO, sorry to hear that. I think that was a bit impulsive and there is no way Tmobile has better coverage then AT&T. The most I would be willing to do is buy the Tmobile N3. I did not even do that one. I got the AT&T Note 3 and we will see how my mileage goes.
I enjoy custom ROMs, kernels, and recoveries too. I spent most of the time with the Note II with Touchwiz ROMs and loved it. Root is probably the most pressing for me but I can do without it for while. This phone is a beast, I did not think it could get any better but I guess it can.
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You're right actually. I have all 3 right now. ATT, Tmo and Vzw (Sprints not even a contender). And while ATTs LTE service is indeed the best. Tmo has pretty much had at least cell service in the same area.. Verizon is and Tmobile are much closer in terms of performance. They actually seem to have the same LTE areas unlike ATT who has LTE everywhere. What Tmobile has going for it is the wifi calls, this is truly a life saver if you do business in any sort of convention centers.
Im still testing and mapping service areas with Signal tracker, so its not concrete yet. If you can manage with 3G+/4G Tmobile is the way to go on the east coast. The service is considerably cheaper, single is decent, and bootloaders unlocked.
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P.S. That WiFi calling gives me AMAZING battery. I will update with graphs at the end of the experiment.

T-Mobile sucks in my area. There's no way that I could switch back to them. Sure, it'd be cheaper. But I hate search for signals. They are better than Sprint, but I'm not a fan of spotty.

YellowGTO said:
You're right actually. I have all 3 right now. ATT, Tmo and Vzw (Sprints not even a contender). And while ATTs LTE service is indeed the best. Tmo has pretty much had at least cell service in the same area.. Verizon is and Tmobile are much closer in terms of performance. They actually seem to have the same LTE areas unlike ATT who has LTE everywhere. What Tmobile has going for it is the wifi calls, this is truly a life saver if you do business in any sort of convention centers.
Im still testing and mapping service areas with Signal tracker, so its not concrete yet. If you can manage with 3G+/4G Tmobile is the way to go on the east coast. The service is considerably cheaper, single is decent, and bootloaders unlocked.
P.S. That WiFi calling gives me AMAZING battery. I will update with graphs at the end of the experiment.
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Wow, it must be nice to have funds to blow:laugh:. I heard about wifi calling and I think that would be the next big thing. We have root now on the AT&T Note 3 so I have reason to venture else where in the near future. Let me know what you have uncovered during your research on this.

linkgx1 said:
T-Mobile sucks in my area. There's no way that I could switch back to them. Sure, it'd be cheaper. But I hate search for signals. They are better than Sprint, but I'm not a fan of spotty.
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Wow, it must be nice to have funds to blow:laugh:. I heard about wifi calling and I think that would be the next big thing. We have root now on the AT&T Note 3 so I have reason to venture else where in the near future. Let me know what you have uncovered during your research on this.
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Yeah with the 5 lines, I figured it would be worth a month or two to see if the move is worth it. 5 lines on ATT is about 360 and tmo is about 210. I figured it was worth the investigation. :laugh: